TO ALL OF YOU SAYING TAKOPII IS 10/10 ANIME

Why are you getting so triggered by other people enjoying the show? Why does it matter to you if other people think it's a "masterpiece" or whatever else?

The whole argument about "emotional manipulation" falls flat to me. What do you think pretty much all fictional storytelling is trying to do? Fictional stories are specifically designed to evoke some kind of emotion from you. Shows like Solo Leveling uses action to make you feel excited or hyped. Shows like Frieren uses sentimentality to make you feel nostalgic. Shows like KonoSuba uses comedy to make you laugh. I probably don't even need to get into the purpose of music in a show. All of those things you could argue is "emotional manipulation," but most likely won't bother bringing that up as some sort of issue when that's essentially the job of fictional storytelling.

I haven't even got into the whole expectation of "realistic" character behavior, which can be drastically different from person to person depending on their own life experiences. On this point, I'll just say don't underestimate how illogical (from your point of view) people can be in this world.

@HikaruKaneko Yeah, I;m triggered. not because people enjoy it, but because they praising misery porn as ‘the best ever’ and even calling it surpases AOT just because it made them feel something.

throwing 10/10s around uncritically boosts manipulative, shallow content to the top. That affects visibility and gives it undeserved weight.

And yeah, emotional manipulation is part of storytellin, no one’s denying that. But the keyword here is cheap emotional manipulation. There’s a difference between building emotion through solid writing (like in Frieren or Clannad) versus just shoving trauma and suffering in your face to shock you(little bit exegerating). it's effective, but it's still shallow.

And on your point about ‘realistic’ character behavior. yeah, people can be irrational, but that doesn’t excuse bad writing. Saying ‘humans can be illogical’ isn’t a get-out-of-jail-free card for every lazy or contrived scene. My critique is about how the story frames it, not whether it's technically possible in real life.

you can enjoy it, but don’t act like it’s above criticism or that everyone who calls it out is ‘triggered".

For me, how good art is ultimately comes down to the thoughts it inspires, and I think the message of this show is so important and so well delivered that, after four episodes, the show is well deserving of a title like "masterpiece". I don't mind plotholes if the thing a story says is so transcendentally important as this one. If you give me a list of 50 flaws in story telling, I'm going to nod along and most likely agree with you that it is anything but flawless, but if it makes people understand that even those who instigate violence are themselves victims of their own situation, than I don't care, because your list of plotholes is not more important than the degree to which this show can change a person's view on violence and oppression.

@Lucianael So basically you are very much a style over substance person? Which is fine, but I think a "masterpiece" would have both style and substance. It's fine to say you really like it, but I don't know why people love to overuse the word masterpiece so much as to completely devalue it.

Complaining about emotional manipulation in regards to storytelling is always the funniest shit because thats terminology used in actual abuse cases in real life not some TV show that makes you sad. Just say you think something is trying too hard and retire the psycho-analysis you learned through someone else saying it and thinking it sounded smart.

@JizzyHitler This is one of the most braindead reply i've ever read. are you that dumb can't understand the basics of emotional manipulation? It’s like saying, "You can’t say a movie is manipulative because that’s a word used in abusive relationships." That’s so FUCKING BRAINDEAD.

You're basically saying:

“You’re not allowed to criticize a story for using manipulative emotion because that’s a serious term.”

By that logic, we couldn’t use words like “toxic,” “triggering,” “narcissistic,” “abusive,” “gaslight,” “manipulative,” “traumatic,” etc. in media criticism — which we obviously do.

@Move1 you watched art that intends to make you uncomfortable and succeeded, thats not manipulation that you buying into a product for the intended effect and getting mad that it did so. And you can use all those words in media criticsm, the problem is using basically all of them will make people think "wow thats dumb as shit" like this entire thread has been.