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Jul 10, 12:04 AM
#1
Y'ALL HAVE TO REALIZE THAT YALL ARE GETTING PALTERED BY THE AUTHOR — this series leans heavily on emotional manipulation (cheeky tricks). praising misery porn as ‘the best ever’ and even calling it surpases AOT just because it made them feel something. throwing 10/10s around uncritically boosts manipulative, shallow content to the top. That affects visibility and gives it undeserved weight. The truth of child bullying is being weaponized — it’s mixed with manipulative storytelling or misdirection, which is classic paltering. It uses pain, trauma, and tragedy as cheap tricks to make people feel like the story is deep or profound. Just because something made you cry doesn’t mean it’s flawless writing. Yes, the themes are dark. Yes, the message hits hard. But does that automatically make it a masterpiece? Or are we just reacting to shock and sadness? There are serious plot holes, especially in how the adults behave. Characters make decisions that barely make sense unless you assume everyone’s brain shuts off for drama’s sake. I'm not saying it's garbage. I'm saying: Just because an anime hurts you emotionally, doesn’t mean it’s automatically a 10/10. edit: 1. YES, I’m being “inspector grader” or whatever label you wanna throw 2. My whole point is rooted in psychology. A lot of people are emotionally overwhelmed, and when that happens, your brain turns off the critical thinking switch. when you’re overwhelmed emotionally, you often skip over logic or flaws. That’s what I’m pointing at. 3. About the “plot hole(s)” — fair correction. With just 2 episodes, I should’ve said a plot hole, not plural. But let’s talk about that hole specifically: People here are star-struck by the pain and miss the holes, like the dog bite scene that felt forced. No adult intervened, no conversation with the dog’s owner, no emotional reaction from Shizuka afterwards. That’s not dramatic realism — it’s a contrived setup. You're ignoring this just to pump up a 10/10? 4. And yeah, I’ve given some anime a 10/10 before — I’m not hiding that. But let’s be clear: There’s a huge difference between a “fun 10” and a “masterpiece 10.” When I gave stuff like Saiki K. or Konosuba or even solo leveling a 10/10, it wasn’t because I thought they were flawless or deep — it’s because they genuinely entertained me, and I had a blast watching them. I wasn’t out here writing essays about how they’re “perfectly written” or “life-changing.” I just stood on what I liked. What I’m seeing with Takopi’s Original Sin is people giving it a 10/10 while acting like it’s untouchable — like it’s some god-tier writing. And that’s the problem. You can love something and still admit it has flaws. But if you’re calling it a masterpiece and ignoring things like broken logic or plot holes just because it made you cry? Then yeah, we gotta talk about that. 5. And to the people saying “it’s just one scene, lil bro” — That “one scene” is literally the catalyst. You’re telling me not to overthink it, but the writers built the entire emotional fallout on top of it. If a story wants to be taken seriously — especially one dealing with trauma, abuse, suicide, and neglect — then the setup has to be solid. You can’t fumble the first domino and expect me to cry when the rest fall. Imagine watching Attack on Titan and the wall breach was caused because someone forgot to lock the gate, and everyone just shrugged it off like "eh whatever, still a 10/10." Nah, bro. That’s not how storytelling works. If you’re going to praise it like a masterpiece, then yeah — I’m going to scrutinize it like one. |
Move1Jul 22, 9:50 PM
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Jul 10, 12:15 AM
#2
I think you're not right and this anime has sense. It has subtle foreshadowing, which shows that everything is well planed. It greatly shows contrast between stupid and naive Takopi and Shizuka, who doesnt tell everything. It shows us that everyone could have some problems. Bullying someone also comes from personal tragedies and we should learn not to put burden on others. In my opinion Takopi no genzai is unique anime, which shows problems such as bullying and issues with parents in new way, more realistic way. The thing you said is true for some anime - I literally thought like this about Fumetsu no anata e, where everything is schematic and whole plot is just to make watcher sad. |
Jul 10, 12:19 AM
#3
Say "I never experienced the lack of care for adults while being bullied and never realized people make dumb mistakes when in a bad or harmful situation" without saying it: Honestly, it's just lack of awareness for what others are going through at this point |
Jul 10, 12:20 AM
#4
Why do you care so much that people can give this a 10? It doesn't necessarily have to be flawless to be a 10/10 for some, maybe people just like it, does it really matter that much to you? You sound like a grading inspector |
Jul 10, 12:23 AM
#5
bro is upset that people have opinions lmfao |
Jul 10, 12:26 AM
#6
The anime is still good idc |
Jul 10, 12:27 AM
#7
See, some people (like me) rate anime not based on if it made sense, but how did it make them feel. If I watch an anime that doesn't make logic sense (not saying Takopii no Genzai is exactly that type of thing) BUT just the art/music/overall vibe makes me feel strong emotions, idgaf about the story, I will rate it well. |
Jul 10, 12:27 AM
#8
For you thinking that show that actually no adult is in your life because I was bullied in high school and I guarantee you that neither the school or my mom cared as long i wasn't dead nothing else mattered to them so sorry grading inspector that my experience dont matter and how I relate to Shizuka. |
Jul 10, 12:32 AM
#9
Move1 said: Y'ALL HAVE TO REALIZE and Let’s be real — this series leans heavily on emotional manipulation (cheeky tricks). It uses pain, trauma, and tragedy as cheap tricks to make people feel like the story is deep or profound. Just because something made you cry doesn’t mean it’s flawless writing. Yes, the themes are dark. Yes, the message hits hard. But does that automatically make it a masterpiece? Or are we just reacting to shock and sadness? There are serious plot holes, especially in how the adults behave. Characters make decisions that barely make sense unless you assume everyone’s brain shuts off for drama’s sake. I'm not saying it's garbage. I'm saying: Just because an anime hurts you emotionally, doesn’t mean it’s automatically a 10/10. You are talking like in real life everyone in the world doesnt make mistakes. Often we see situations like that in our world, where adults who should protect and care about what happens to their children just turn a blind eye or just dont understand the situation (even if they try with all their might). So if you think this anime has flaws, just think that reality has flaws too. |
Jul 10, 12:39 AM
#10
I said this before a couple of times in other anime threads, and I will say it again here: the thing I enjoy the most in an anime is the emotional moments. If an anime does a good job of making me connect with it through emotions, then I will like it and I will easily give it a 10/10, which I did, call it a cheap emotional tactic or whatever you want, I simply love emotional moments in an anime, and I strongly felt it with this one. Is this anime a masterpiece? Absolutely not, at least not yet. I still want to see where this anime is heading, and this anime can lose those 10/10 as quickly as I gave it; maintaining the high rating is the hard part. We have 4 more episodes to go, if this anime fucks it up in these episodes then I will remove those 10/10 and give it a lower score. I do hope this doesn't happen. I have high expectations for this anime. I also gave Fumetsu no Anata e (To Your Eternity) a 10/10 in the 1st half since it did a pretty good job at playing with my emotions and I loved it, but that anime fucked it up in the 2nd half and made me cringe in it, so I removed those 10/10 and ended up giving that anime a 6/10 by the end of it. I love the emotional moments in an anime as long as they keep it subtle, if it's forced, and I start cringing with it then they fucked up and I will remove points. And the anime has to keep it consistent with good animation too, if the animation degrades like Fumetsu no Anata e (To Your Eternity) did, then I will also remove points. Having a good story and everything is fine, but I would rather have an anime doing its best to make me connect with it, with good emotional moments. |
Jul 10, 12:40 AM
#11
lame bait. try again next time. |
ヘルソン |
Jul 10, 1:21 AM
#12
Bro doesn't know that visuals and animation quality exist |
Jul 10, 1:36 AM
#13
Masterpiece? Maybe, maybe not. Too early to say with 4 episodes to go. As for plot holes, I don't see any related to characters. People like the ones in the show exist. If you have never met them in real life lucky you, but that doesn't mean adults never behave like that. The only "plot hole" I found so far is related to the transformation gadget: you pick the DNA and you change into that person, but how come you also get their same clothes? :) (jk of course, who cares xD) |
Jul 10, 1:45 AM
#14
just shut up, please |
Jul 10, 1:58 AM
#15
Maybe people simply enjoy it that much; ever thought about that? 🤔 |
Jul 10, 2:06 AM
#16
Move1 said: Y'ALL HAVE TO REALIZE and Let’s be real — this series leans heavily on emotional manipulation (cheeky tricks). It uses pain, trauma, and tragedy as cheap tricks to make people feel like the story is deep or profound. Just because something made you cry doesn’t mean it’s flawless writing. Yes, the themes are dark. Yes, the message hits hard. But does that automatically make it a masterpiece? Or are we just reacting to shock and sadness? There are serious plot holes, especially in how the adults behave. Characters make decisions that barely make sense unless you assume everyone’s brain shuts off for drama’s sake. I'm not saying it's garbage. I'm saying: Just because an anime hurts you emotionally, doesn’t mean it’s automatically a 10/10. To the people calling him a grading inspector: He's putting out an opinion that "dark doesn't equal depth," which this anime heavily leans into. You can like the show for its vibe, how it makes you feel, it's fine. He's simply trying to say that the story lacks the depth of real trauma victims, because it doesn't explore them as deeply as other stories. He also clearly says that the themes are dark and emotionally potent, which they are, the anime/manga's bold approach of having children commit suicide, murder other kids does leave a lasting impact. I am a therapist and I deal with suicides and urges to murder and this just lacks the real depth of those people who deal with those problems. Some people may take it as undermining those real problems, I don't. Which is fine, the themes of this story still try to tell you something special and that's amazing, if you think it's a 10/10, then that's okay. I enjoyed the show with my wife and got a good message from it and that's truly the most important part at least for us, though there are a lot this anime can improve in, like those I stated, just because it hits hard doesn't mean it doesn't have space for valid critism. |
RayRexDexJojoJul 10, 2:23 AM
Jul 10, 2:11 AM
#17
Dog that's like saying just because I gave "The Day I Became a God" a 10/10 I'm wrong simply because you don't agree with me. Sure it's objectively an ass show, but it's my ass show. Edit - Yes ts made me tear up like a mf. |
Jul 10, 2:15 AM
#18
Yeah honestly I personally wouldn't call this a 10/10 because it relies so heavily on extreme bullying, suicide, abuse and neglect. It's a really cheap way of eliciting emotion and engagement from the audience. But that being said it is an incredible show that makes great use of those things I just mentioned and is definitely worthy of praise. Not to mention the genius of having the story take place from Takopi's naïve perspective is really unique. I can see why other people would call this a 10/10, but I'm currently floating at an 8-9/10 depending on how the story goes. |
Jul 10, 2:41 AM
#19
is it a 10/10? no. is it still an S tier regardless and much better than most of the other slop the past few seasons had to offer? yes. |
Jul 10, 2:45 AM
#20
Reply to RayRexDexJojo
Move1 said:
Y'ALL HAVE TO REALIZE and Let’s be real — this series leans heavily on emotional manipulation (cheeky tricks).
It uses pain, trauma, and tragedy as cheap tricks to make people feel like the story is deep or profound. Just because something made you cry doesn’t mean it’s flawless writing.
Yes, the themes are dark. Yes, the message hits hard. But does that automatically make it a masterpiece? Or are we just reacting to shock and sadness?
There are serious plot holes, especially in how the adults behave. Characters make decisions that barely make sense unless you assume everyone’s brain shuts off for drama’s sake.
I'm not saying it's garbage. I'm saying:
Just because an anime hurts you emotionally, doesn’t mean it’s automatically a 10/10.
Y'ALL HAVE TO REALIZE and Let’s be real — this series leans heavily on emotional manipulation (cheeky tricks).
It uses pain, trauma, and tragedy as cheap tricks to make people feel like the story is deep or profound. Just because something made you cry doesn’t mean it’s flawless writing.
Yes, the themes are dark. Yes, the message hits hard. But does that automatically make it a masterpiece? Or are we just reacting to shock and sadness?
There are serious plot holes, especially in how the adults behave. Characters make decisions that barely make sense unless you assume everyone’s brain shuts off for drama’s sake.
I'm not saying it's garbage. I'm saying:
Just because an anime hurts you emotionally, doesn’t mean it’s automatically a 10/10.
To the people calling him a grading inspector: He's putting out an opinion that "dark doesn't equal depth," which this anime heavily leans into. You can like the show for its vibe, how it makes you feel, it's fine. He's simply trying to say that the story lacks the depth of real trauma victims, because it doesn't explore them as deeply as other stories. He also clearly says that the themes are dark and emotionally potent, which they are, the anime/manga's bold approach of having children commit suicide, murder other kids does leave a lasting impact.
I am a therapist and I deal with suicides and urges to murder and this just lacks the real depth of those people who deal with those problems. Some people may take it as undermining those real problems, I don't. Which is fine, the themes of this story still try to tell you something special and that's amazing, if you think it's a 10/10, then that's okay.
I enjoyed the show with my wife and got a good message from it and that's truly the most important part at least for us, though there are a lot this anime can improve in, like those I stated, just because it hits hard doesn't mean it doesn't have space for valid critism.
@RayRexDexJojo I agree with you here, but definitely we can't expect that much depth from a show with 2hrs and 30' of runtime. What I challenge in OP's opinion is the claim that adults' behaviours in the show are plot holes: they are not. Adult characters might be shallow because they haven't shown us any motivation for them, but they are believable. I definitely know people like this. One might say that themes and characters are not investigated deeply. But plot holes? Nah. The writing of the show is as good as it could get, from that perspective. |
Jul 10, 3:02 AM
#21
Every single story has plot holes, of course, it's how you handle them that matters. Since this anime hasn't finished airing yet, we can't tell yet. If adults act irrationally in a story about emotionally neglected kids, and that irrationality is intentional, then it’s not a plot hole, it’s part of the tone. But if it feels like the adults are acting stupid just to advance the drama, that can start to feel artificial. Whatever the viewer interprets, that's why I say plot holes are an opinion, unless it's handled so badly that it's just not plausible to be logical. Though, I do disagree with your claim that the anime can't have that much depth in 2 hours and 30 minutes of total runtime (I'm assuming for all 6 episodes, because the 2 episodes are roughly 1 hour). One of the most realistic depictions of suicide is Chainsaw Man part 2 with Asa Mitaka, which shows the despair someone feels when pondering suicide, and it does that in one chapter that's about 60 pages. For example: "Hypothetically... if one person in class... had to jump off a roof... and that person was to be chosen in a vote... I think they'd all vote for me. I'd vote for me too." And there's more just packed in that chapter, her contradictions, etc. |
RayRexDexJojoJul 10, 1:19 PM
Jul 10, 3:07 AM
#22
Honestly yea I think alot of people have it confused in regards to the strengths of the anime. Because it isnt the "dark" and "disturbing" topics they go over because its very baseline and we've seen it many times before. What makes this great is actually the main character pi. Seeing how in his world view as an alien, sees and expriences all of these things in how he combates it in the confines of his understanding of humans. Its kindve like if we watched a dog as a protagonist and the cat witnessed everything its owner was going through yet not understanding it because they were a cat not a human. Thats where this anime thrives and actually where its really interesting imo. But its definitely not good because its dark bc Honestly its not even that dark tbh. |
Jul 10, 3:08 AM
#23
[quote=RayRexDexJojo message=72991888 Every single story has plot holes, of course, it's how you handle them that matters. Since this anime hasn't finished airing yet, we can't tell yet. If adults act irrationally in a story about emotionally neglected kids, and that irrationality is intentional, then it’s not a plot hole, it’s part of the tone. But if it feels like the adults are acting stupid just to advance the drama, that can start to feel artificial. Though, I do disagree with your claim that the anime can't have that much depth in 2 hours and 30 minutes of total runtime (I'm assuming for all 6 episodes, because the 2 episodes are roughly 1 hour). One of the most realistic depictions of suicide is Chainsaw Man part 2 with Asa Mitaka, which shows the despair someone feels when pondering suicide, and it does that in one chapter that's about 60 pages. For example: "Hypothetically... if one person in class... had to jump off a roof... and that person was to be chosen in a vote... I think they'd all vote for me. I'd vote for me too." And there's more just packed in that chapter, her contradictions, etc.[/quote] For another example, you can read Steel Ball Run, but the moment I want to say is very far back in the story so it'd be considered a spoiler. I guess I can share this image, but I can't share the moments that led up to this. ![]() |
RayRexDexJojoJul 10, 3:16 AM
Jul 10, 3:14 AM
#24
RayRexDexJojo said: Move1 said: Y'ALL HAVE TO REALIZE and Let’s be real — this series leans heavily on emotional manipulation (cheeky tricks). It uses pain, trauma, and tragedy as cheap tricks to make people feel like the story is deep or profound. Just because something made you cry doesn’t mean it’s flawless writing. Yes, the themes are dark. Yes, the message hits hard. But does that automatically make it a masterpiece? Or are we just reacting to shock and sadness? There are serious plot holes, especially in how the adults behave. Characters make decisions that barely make sense unless you assume everyone’s brain shuts off for drama’s sake. I'm not saying it's garbage. I'm saying: Just because an anime hurts you emotionally, doesn’t mean it’s automatically a 10/10. To the people calling him a grading inspector: He's putting out an opinion that "dark doesn't equal depth," which this anime heavily leans into. You can like the show for its vibe, how it makes you feel, it's fine. He's simply trying to say that the story lacks the depth of real trauma victims, because it doesn't explore them as deeply as other stories. He also clearly says that the themes are dark and emotionally potent, which they are, the anime/manga's bold approach of having children commit suicide, murder other kids does leave a lasting impact. I am a therapist and I deal with suicides and urges to murder and this just lacks the real depth of those people who deal with those problems. Some people may take it as undermining those real problems, I don't. Which is fine, the themes of this story still try to tell you something special and that's amazing, if you think it's a 10/10, then that's okay. I enjoyed the show with my wife and got a good message from it and that's truly the most important part at least for us, though there are a lot this anime can improve in, like those I stated, just because it hits hard doesn't mean it doesn't have space for valid critism. Yea exactly I honestly dont know why ppl on this thread are attacking him he has a point. Most people hyped up this anime for being dark when honestly its not that dark tbh. And why that's unfortunate is because the true disturbing part of this is what I feel no one is mentioning in which is pi. He's like the dog that is witnessing his owner do horrible things to himself or others but the dog doesn't understand because they aren't human. But in this circumstance they use what they do know to help. But they dont understand what helping is in the context of humanity in which leads into more grim scenarios. Thats the only thing that really makes it the "dark and disturbing" anime not the actual events taking place. I think ppl are praising this anime over baseline stuff and are falling for the animes weak points. |
Jul 10, 3:22 AM
#25
The anime and the manga are dark, they include suicide and the murder of children below the age of 10. |
Jul 10, 3:25 AM
#26
Reply to RayRexDexJojo
Every single story has plot holes, of course, it's how you handle them that matters. Since this anime hasn't finished airing yet, we can't tell yet. If adults act irrationally in a story about emotionally neglected kids, and that irrationality is intentional, then it’s not a plot hole, it’s part of the tone. But if it feels like the adults are acting stupid just to advance the drama, that can start to feel artificial. Whatever the viewer interprets, that's why I say plot holes are an opinion, unless it's handled so badly that it's just not plausible to be logical.
Though, I do disagree with your claim that the anime can't have that much depth in 2 hours and 30 minutes of total runtime (I'm assuming for all 6 episodes, because the 2 episodes are roughly 1 hour). One of the most realistic depictions of suicide is Chainsaw Man part 2 with Asa Mitaka, which shows the despair someone feels when pondering suicide, and it does that in one chapter that's about 60 pages. For example: "Hypothetically... if one person in class... had to jump off a roof... and that person was to be chosen in a vote... I think they'd all vote for me. I'd vote for me too." And there's more just packed in that chapter, her contradictions, etc.
Though, I do disagree with your claim that the anime can't have that much depth in 2 hours and 30 minutes of total runtime (I'm assuming for all 6 episodes, because the 2 episodes are roughly 1 hour). One of the most realistic depictions of suicide is Chainsaw Man part 2 with Asa Mitaka, which shows the despair someone feels when pondering suicide, and it does that in one chapter that's about 60 pages. For example: "Hypothetically... if one person in class... had to jump off a roof... and that person was to be chosen in a vote... I think they'd all vote for me. I'd vote for me too." And there's more just packed in that chapter, her contradictions, etc.
@RayRexDexJojo first episode was 37 min second was 21 min so definitely not a hour each. |
Jul 10, 3:28 AM
#27
Otakupervert890 said: @RayRexDexJojo first episode was 37 min second was 21 min so definitely not an hour each. I said that: when adding up the 2 episodes, you get roughly 60 minutes. I was being careful in case I got the wrong version of the show or there were specials before the 6 episodes. Since I watched this on a piracy website. |
Jul 10, 3:43 AM
#28
man i feel kinda shit to say it because i don't wonna make it personal, but you have solo leveling as a 10/10... that show is emty af. I can understand your point (for exemple i think the same about your name: that show has a lot of problems but it works because it is emotional) but i don't think this "kill the loli show" is just a mere emotional and not well developed anime. we will see how this show will progress and then we would be able to analize and vote for it. (sorry for the initial insult to your opinion on solo leveling, but you sounded a lot ipocrite cosidering your comment)thanks for your time, hava a nice day :) |
Jul 10, 3:51 AM
#29
If this argument would be valid, then everyone would have rated Promised Neverland S2 a 10/10 just because of the tragedy aspect. Because this never happened, we know that your logic is false and there must be another reason for why people like this. |
Jul 10, 3:59 AM
#30
ktg said: If this argument would be valid, then everyone would have rated Promised Neverland S2 a 10/10 just because of the tragedy aspect. Because this never happened, we know that your logic is false and there must be another reason for why people like this. Promised Neverland S2 has terrible pacing, timeskips out of nowhere, nonsensical characters' decisions, a lot of moments that don't serve the themes, etc. It's not fair to compare these 2 to each other, just because they have had kids who experienced tragedy, they are very different, saying it is fair to compare them is questioning the originality of this anime. That's like comparing this anime to Berserk, which has kids who experienced tragedy. This is not fair because they are 2 completely separate stories. I do agree with the Solo Leveling take. |
RayRexDexJojoJul 10, 4:05 AM
Jul 10, 4:04 AM
#31
Move1 said: this series leans heavily on emotional manipulation What if I told you that I enjoy this emotional manipulation, and that my score is based on my enjoyment? |
DesuMaiden said: Nobody resembles me physically because I don't even physically exist. |
Jul 10, 4:06 AM
#32
Zarutaku said: Move1 said: this series leans heavily on emotional manipulation What if I told you that I enjoy this emotional manipulation, and that my score is based on my enjoyment? He's not saying he's opposed to that. He's stating that the show leans into that, but he's not saying it's bad to like it for that. |
Jul 10, 4:15 AM
#34
RayRexDexJojo said: ktg said: If this argument would be valid, then everyone would have rated Promised Neverland S2 a 10/10 just because of the tragedy aspect. Because this never happened, we know that your logic is false and there must be another reason for why people like this. Promised Neverland S2 has terrible pacing, timeskips out of nowhere, nonsensical characters' decisions, a lot of moments that don't serve the themes, etc. It's not fair to compare these 2 to each other, just because they have had kids who experienced tragedy, they are very different, saying it is fair to compare them is questioning the originality of this anime. That's like comparing this anime to Berserk, which has kids who experienced tragedy. This is not fair because they are 2 completely separate stories. I do agree with the Solo Leveling take. That's why it was a fair comparison. If the people only care about tragedy and rate shows based on that factor, then no matter how the pacing, writing or whatever was, it should be similarly rated. Because we know that it's not the case, then it means people are actually looking at aspects like pacing. And this completely invalidates OP's whole argument, because he ignored other aspects. |
Jul 10, 4:19 AM
#35
ktg said: RayRexDexJojo said: ktg said: If this argument were valid, then everyone would have rated Promised Neverland S2 a 10/10 just because of the tragedy aspect. Because this never happened, we know that your logic is false and there must be another reason for why people like this. Promised Neverland S2 has terrible pacing, timeskips out of nowhere, nonsensical characters' decisions, a lot of moments that don't serve the themes, etc. It's not fair to compare these 2 to each other, just because they have had kids who experienced tragedy, they are very different, saying it is fair to compare them is questioning the originality of this anime. That's like comparing this anime to Berserk, which has kids who experienced tragedy. This is not fair because they are 2 completely separate stories. I do agree with the Solo Leveling take. That's why it was a fair comparison. If the people only care about tragedy and rate shows based on that factor, then no matter how the pacing, writing or whatever was, it should be similarly rated. Because we know that it's not the case, then it means people are actually looking at aspects like pacing. And this completely invalidates OP's whole argument, because he ignored other aspects. That's comparing two completely different things. Different characters, different plot, different worldbuilding, themes, etc. There is something good about this show, but comparing it to Promised Neverland 2 is not fair, I'm not saying there isn't something good with this anime, I'm saying it's bad to compare the 2. Pacing issues in PN S2 are a separate problem from “emotional manipulation.” If you rate PN S2 poorly because it leapt forward too fast or made baffling character choices, that’s a critique of its writing and edit, not its tragic content. Lumping that together with Takopi’s emotional beats conflates distinct elements of storytelling. And, like I said OP's message is an opinion, not factual, you can't invalidate opinions. The only thing remotely close to a statement by OP was that there are a lot of plot holes in the adults, which can be considered an opinion based on its worded, but ultimately it isn't. |
RayRexDexJojoJul 10, 4:28 AM
Jul 10, 4:26 AM
#36
I don't think is a 10/10 at all, but you are spouting nonsense. All those "flaws" you list is you completely ignoring that is a representation of a different culture in a different country that whatever you know and are used to, people just don't behave the same. |
Jul 10, 4:56 AM
#37
Bro is angry over other people's taste 💀 Grow up man, please |
Jul 10, 5:05 AM
#38
Reply to RayRexDexJojo
ktg said:
That's why it was a fair comparison. If the people only care about tragedy and rate shows based on that factor, then no matter how the pacing, writing or whatever was, it should be similarly rated.
Because we know that it's not the case, then it means people are actually looking at aspects like pacing. And this completely invalidates OP's whole argument, because he ignored other aspects.
RayRexDexJojo said:
Promised Neverland S2 has terrible pacing, timeskips out of nowhere, nonsensical characters' decisions, a lot of moments that don't serve the themes, etc. It's not fair to compare these 2 to each other, just because they have had kids who experienced tragedy, they are very different, saying it is fair to compare them is questioning the originality of this anime. That's like comparing this anime to Berserk, which has kids who experienced tragedy. This is not fair because they are 2 completely separate stories.
I do agree with the Solo Leveling take.
ktg said:
If this argument were valid, then everyone would have rated Promised Neverland S2 a 10/10 just because of the tragedy aspect.
Because this never happened, we know that your logic is false and there must be another reason for why people like this.
If this argument were valid, then everyone would have rated Promised Neverland S2 a 10/10 just because of the tragedy aspect.
Because this never happened, we know that your logic is false and there must be another reason for why people like this.
Promised Neverland S2 has terrible pacing, timeskips out of nowhere, nonsensical characters' decisions, a lot of moments that don't serve the themes, etc. It's not fair to compare these 2 to each other, just because they have had kids who experienced tragedy, they are very different, saying it is fair to compare them is questioning the originality of this anime. That's like comparing this anime to Berserk, which has kids who experienced tragedy. This is not fair because they are 2 completely separate stories.
I do agree with the Solo Leveling take.
That's why it was a fair comparison. If the people only care about tragedy and rate shows based on that factor, then no matter how the pacing, writing or whatever was, it should be similarly rated.
Because we know that it's not the case, then it means people are actually looking at aspects like pacing. And this completely invalidates OP's whole argument, because he ignored other aspects.
That's comparing two completely different things. Different characters, different plot, different worldbuilding, themes, etc. There is something good about this show, but comparing it to Promised Neverland 2 is not fair, I'm not saying there isn't something good with this anime, I'm saying it's bad to compare the 2.
Pacing issues in PN S2 are a separate problem from “emotional manipulation.” If you rate PN S2 poorly because it leapt forward too fast or made baffling character choices, that’s a critique of its writing and edit, not its tragic content. Lumping that together with Takopi’s emotional beats conflates distinct elements of storytelling.
And, like I said OP's message is an opinion, not factual, you can't invalidate opinions. The only thing remotely close to a statement by OP was that there are a lot of plot holes in the adults, which can be considered an opinion based on its worded, but ultimately it isn't.
@RayRexDexJojo ... Okay, let's start with the basics. His statement is that this show has a lot of issues, plot holes etc, but people overlook those issues because of the emotional manipulation. Therefore the only good comparison to refute his take is to compare it to a show where we also have a lot issues, we also have tragedy, but it has low rating. We need to look at shows that are tragic and considered bad. Promised Neverland S2 falls into this category because of its poor adaptation and brutal world. So the question is not really about what the critique was about, of its writing or tragic content. The question is that the audience overlooked the bad pacing because of the tragic content like in this case, because that's the claim, or not. If not, and people gave bad ratings, then it means that the logic that was presented by the OP is invalid. That's how argument works. Secondly, OP's take is not an opinion. It has pretty obvious claims that you can invalidate or refute. I choose to invalidate his logic. You could invalidate certain parts of his take, for example, what he said about how the adults act in this show, which is pretty realistic in certain cases. |
Jul 10, 5:10 AM
#39
Sure whatever but it seems like you don’t know what plot hole actually means but ight. |
Jul 10, 5:12 AM
#40
ktg said: @RayRexDexJojo ... Okay, let's start with the basics. His statement is that this show has a lot of issues, plot holes etc, but people overlook those issues because of the emotional manipulation. Therefore the only good comparison to refute his take is to compare it to a show where we also have a lot issues, we also have tragedy, but it has low rating. We need to look at shows that are tragic and considered bad. Promised Neverland S2 falls into this category because of its poor adaptation and brutal world. So the question is not really about what the critique was about, of its writing or tragic content. The question is that the audience overlooked the bad pacing because of the tragic content like in this case, because that's the claim, or not. If not, and people gave bad ratings, then it means that the logic that was presented by the OP is invalid. That's how argument works. Secondly, OP's take is not an opinion. It has pretty obvious claims that you can invalidate or refute. I choose to invalidate his logic. You could invalidate certain parts of his take, for example, what he said about how the adults act in this show, which is pretty realistic in certain cases. He thinks this show has a lot of issues he never gives examples or specific moments. It's like saying that the show doesn't have any plot holes relating to the adults, without explaining why every single thing is not a plot hole, that is still 'thinking' which makes it a personal interpretation. Just because PN 2's tragedy doesn't mean that that extends to the entire genre/theme. Either way, I'd rather step down from the argument, since we can't come up with a conclusion after 3 or 2 replies. Thank you. |
RayRexDexJojoJul 10, 5:21 AM
Jul 10, 5:27 AM
#41
The show basicaly is just depicting emotional and physical abuse without any ray of hope. Tagopi is useless and obviously retarded. I kinda dont see why people like it so much. Its basicaly torture porn. I have nothing against shows with dark themes. But what is the sense of this freaking show? It just makes me angry. Thats all |
Jul 10, 5:34 AM
#42
your so miserable |
Jul 10, 5:39 AM
#43
I would say that the anime is good to watch and rate it better than the manga because there's music and voice acting involved. I wonder if the ending is going to be different because the manga's ending was so bad and unrealistic. If the ending is going to be the same as the original then that's going to be a 6/10 for me |
Jul 10, 5:44 AM
#44
Half agree. The series's emotional and dark tone (especially when contrasted with Takopi's naivety) does make for a shocking watch and seems to be the main appeal of the show. But even so, if a series manages to make you emotional, then by all means and at the very least, make that aspect well written, for some people, enough to like the whole show and that's completely fine. Furthermore, the whole start of this thread is pretty much in bad faith. It doesn't matter if and why people like this series, you can be curious about the other opinions, and that's welcome, but to outright dismiss them is dumb. And I'm saying it as someone who does not like this series that much. |
CielordJul 10, 6:52 AM
Jul 10, 5:48 AM
#45
Reply to RayRexDexJojo
ktg said:
@RayRexDexJojo ... Okay, let's start with the basics. His statement is that this show has a lot of issues, plot holes etc, but people overlook those issues because of the emotional manipulation. Therefore the only good comparison to refute his take is to compare it to a show where we also have a lot issues, we also have tragedy, but it has low rating.
We need to look at shows that are tragic and considered bad. Promised Neverland S2 falls into this category because of its poor adaptation and brutal world. So the question is not really about what the critique was about, of its writing or tragic content. The question is that the audience overlooked the bad pacing because of the tragic content like in this case, because that's the claim, or not.
If not, and people gave bad ratings, then it means that the logic that was presented by the OP is invalid. That's how argument works.
Secondly, OP's take is not an opinion. It has pretty obvious claims that you can invalidate or refute. I choose to invalidate his logic. You could invalidate certain parts of his take, for example, what he said about how the adults act in this show, which is pretty realistic in certain cases.
@RayRexDexJojo ... Okay, let's start with the basics. His statement is that this show has a lot of issues, plot holes etc, but people overlook those issues because of the emotional manipulation. Therefore the only good comparison to refute his take is to compare it to a show where we also have a lot issues, we also have tragedy, but it has low rating.
We need to look at shows that are tragic and considered bad. Promised Neverland S2 falls into this category because of its poor adaptation and brutal world. So the question is not really about what the critique was about, of its writing or tragic content. The question is that the audience overlooked the bad pacing because of the tragic content like in this case, because that's the claim, or not.
If not, and people gave bad ratings, then it means that the logic that was presented by the OP is invalid. That's how argument works.
Secondly, OP's take is not an opinion. It has pretty obvious claims that you can invalidate or refute. I choose to invalidate his logic. You could invalidate certain parts of his take, for example, what he said about how the adults act in this show, which is pretty realistic in certain cases.
He thinks this show has a lot of issues he never gives examples or specific moments. It's like saying that the show doesn't have any plot holes relating to the adults, without explaining why every single thing is not a plot hole, that is still 'thinking' which makes it a personal interpretation. Just because PN 2's tragedy doesn't mean that that extends to the entire genre/theme. Either way, I'd rather step down from the argument, since we can't come up with a conclusion after 3 or 2 replies. Thank you.
@RayRexDexJojo He rated Takopi no Genzai a 7 and Promised Neverland S2 an 8. I'm pretty sure it's still a fair comparison, because he gave higher rating to the worse show. And again, it doesn't matter if his argument about plot holes is true or not, what matter is that we have 2 shows with issues. From our POV it doesn't matter if we disagree with those plot holes or not, because to refute him, we just need him to accept. |
Jul 10, 5:58 AM
#46
So? Shut up. Nobody ever said that sad emotions automatically make for a 10/10 Anime. Nobody said that. That argument, you're so against, doesn't exist. But the fact that it, as you said yourself, "Hits hard" or makes you feel something at all is already more than what 70% of the other seasonals are doing. So it IS doing something right, no? People like it. |
Merve2LoveJul 10, 9:26 AM
Jul 10, 6:12 AM
#47
ktg said: @RayRexDexJojo He rated Takopi no Genzai a 7 and Promised Neverland S2 an 8. I'm pretty sure it's still a fair comparison, because he gave higher rating to the worse show. And again, it doesn't matter if his argument about plot holes is true or not, what matter is that we have 2 shows with issues. From our POV it doesn't matter if we disagree with those plot holes or not, because to refute him, we just need him to accept. Isn't that hating on a person's opinion? There are a lot of discussions talking about how they liked the vibe and emotional impact of Takopi. What says he can't like the vibe or emotional impact of PN2, even if it's "ass." I get what you're trying to say but I don't think that's fair to any piece of media, just like you like an anime, even if it has its flaws, others do too. I can say that Takopi is an "ass" show, it isn't, and it'll still be my opinion, just like PN2 being an 8 is his opinion. |
RayRexDexJojoJul 10, 6:16 AM
Jul 10, 6:34 AM
#48
Alright, so, I’m someone who doesn’t even like Takopi, but even so I find your assessment to be rather disagreeable. 1. “Emotional manipulation” is a term which feels more and more stupid and pointless the more I hear it. Not being personally affected by something that’s meant to draw out a strong emotional reaction is fine, but calling it “manipulation” always comes across as incredibly reductive, especially when a story has more going for it, particularly on the thematic or character level, which also contributes to an audience’s emotional investment & the consequent strong reaction which just gets dismissed by calling it “manipulative”. 2. “Has plot holes” is, itself, an incredibly shallow form of media analysis as well IMO. Every single work of media has logical gaps once you think about it hard enough, but the thing is that a work’s plot & the total consistency thereof is far from the end-all-be-all of its quality. If it disrupts your suspension of disbelief too much, then that’s perfectly fine, but ultimately the fact is that that’s just a minuscule part of the experience compared to what the story is doing with its characters, tone, & themes, and thus not all that big a hurdle to a “masterpiece” designation. 3. The whole tone of this post just feels pointlessly combative? Like, personally thinking a show lives up to the hype, but directing your issues with it at the fans for liking/highly rating it and kinda suggesting their experience with/high opinion of the show is wrong because they aren’t being “objective” about it just feels very bleh. Pretty much all media engagement & analysis boils down to feeling something from a work and working backwards to determine why you feel that way, and at the end of the day, the feeling itself is usually more important than the analysis because that’s the core of a person’s personal experience, and all feelings derived from a work are completely valid, even if you think the source of those feelings is “emotional manipulation” |
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Jul 10, 6:35 AM
#49
8/10 anime 9/10 manga |
We all hate it when you forget about your deadline until last minute |
Jul 10, 6:39 AM
#50
bro really complains that "anime about a suicidal girl is about a sucidal girl" |
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