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| I dont mind the musical part at all despite it may feel strange at first. What brings my opinion of this show down is how they try to force me to sympathize the antagonist so much that kinda makes me feel uncomfortable. The worst part being later half all she does is asking everyone to shut up w.o reasoning. Apparently just because she is Shank's daughter everyone has to forgive her/ like her, ok. Like Uta is well aware of the whole truth yet she still did what she did and then everyone has to symphasize her no matter what cuz she's crying, ok bro. Also it feels cheap they just conveniently add an original character in all these flashback even though no-one knows it beforehand, and none of them are ever forshadowed so it makes the plot hole bigger than ever. Oh, to not contradict to the manga series they have to conveniently kill her off so a character with this deep connection with the main casts do not altered the manga series' plotline lolz. Also this Devil fruit ability is darn right broken it can affect people at a global scale lolz And no escape method and she's darn right invincible in her realm despite how easy the requirement to pull people in. Worst part is you cant even kill her or you're trapped forever. And she can easily kill your real world body if she's willing to. Like it takes this many S tier characters to bring her down it is downright baffling and kinda ruin the equilibrium of Devil Fruit strength. Anyway i like the songs and the direction they're taking for the first half but the forced drama/ forced sympathize, and forced redemption in the end(oh yeah she song to revert what she did, now she's a hero that need to be sympathized , right bro) put me off quite a bit. |
Morcombe1990 said: Agreed, both Shank and Adopted daddy are retarded in this film.Madonis said: Then let me spell it out for you by asking a direct question: what exactly was the alternative at that point in the story? From their point of view, doing nothing would be the worst case scenario because letting Uta continue her plan means the songs would reach more and more people across the world. Fujitora might not like it, but there was no obvious alternative. In fact, if Uta didn't voluntarily bring all of those people back, then they would be forever trapped and as good as dead at the end of the movie. You're talking about the same Shanks who lost his arm in a manner that, in retrospect, seems increasingly silly every passing year. He's not perfect and made a mistake in judgment. If you want Shanks to be squeaky-clean and free from any sort of humanity, then I can see why you would be disappointed. I think it makes him more relatable, especially in the full context. He was also much younger than he's now. Shanks abandoned a girl who spent her entire life on his ship up till that point, sharing a father-daughter bond. whether Uta is on that ship or not, his crew can still take the blame for it with no problems. Not only does he abandon her, he leaves her in complete isolation on an island of ruin that she was the accidental cause of and he leaves her in the one place where tot musica (you know the cause of the whole bloody problem) is located, literally the one island in the entire world you DO NOT want to leave her on was that one. I'm sorry if you love shanks so much you cant see how stupid a decision that was. I have no problem with shanks being portrayed as a complex character, but this literally paints him as the biggest idiot in the world. the othor adoptive father is just as stupid as shanks is, why stay on that island, why not take uta to another island where she can actually have a relatively normal life, he doesn't need to keep her on that island to make her a singer, he can teach her music anywhere. as for Uta herself. she literally had won, she didnt have to do anything, just wait it out, no one could stop her, activating tot musica was the one thing that could lead to her defeat so why do it? like i said its a good turn of your brain popcorn action flick, but thats it. as for fujitora, come up with any excuse you like, the character from the manga would not kill civilians under any circumstances otherwise he would still have his eyesight, they should have just used green bull at least then it would have made sense. Sure hiding truama, but instead causing way bigger trauma. At least make a better excuse of the Island destruction instead of making her think she's abandoned and betrayed for 12 years. And yes, 12 freaking years of deceiving, so darn right stupid. If he really care he wouldn't wait 12 years. All of these seems like plot convenience to cover up all the plot hole of the existence of Uta cuz apparently Luffy has this unknown childhood friend and Shank has this unknown musician no-one knows about it til 12 years after. (oh, apparently she has gone live for 2 years too and apparently Luffy/ Shank didn't know about it until now) |
| lmao lol so did uta sing herself to death like a total psycho? ending was too ambiguous but fitting regardless. |
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| In a horribly simplistic way to put, Uta was a millenial Youtuber activist, that died because she drank too many energy drinks. I enjoy the whole idol thing, but seeing how this was a very musical movie, is a shame not having Uta singing some sea shanty. |
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| Wound up pretty disappointed with this. Came in expecting this to be one of the most fun One Piece movies, left it thinking it's one of the worst One Piece movies. Let's start with the obvious, Ado's involvement. Going in I already heard "New Genesis" in full multiple times. It was played in one of the trailers, so I listened to it plenty as I knew I wouldn't be watching the movie anytime soon. And it's a great power pop song, and it really had me hyped up for the rest of the soundtrack, which I decided to save for the movie itself. The soundtrack from Ado herself ended solid I think. "Backlight" probably wound up as my favourite, I think it's her strongest vocal performance by far, and I also really liked "Tot Musica". "The World's Continuation" is a bit too slow at first, but I think the chorus brings enough power that I really liked. The other three songs I didn't like, "I'm Invincible" is just boring, "Where the Wind Blows" is too slow for my liking, and "Fleeting Lullaby" is one of the most aggressively annoying songs I've heard in awhile. I do appreciate how different these songs could be, despite only really liking half the songs itself. However a musical's quality isn't determined by the quality of the songs alone, but how well those songs are incorporated into the film and this is where I feel the film fails. To start with the positives, the songs make sense to be there in the narrative, no real issue there. Secondly, I like that we hear "The World's Continuation" briefly in a flashback explaining Uta's loneliness, as she's clearly calling back Shanks & the Red Hair Pirates, before later using the song in the climax to call back all the souls. It was nice to have the song seeded earlier, and for the lyrics to fit in both contexts. But beyond that, there's nothing here that really takes advantage of a musical structure. The pacing between the songs is a bit uneven too imo, it definitely felt like the first half crammed in way more songs than the second half. Albeit, I think this worked in the movie's favour, because how they presented these songs were awful. I really wish Uta's songs weren't transparently Ado music video inserted into a One Piece film and felt more like a part of the movie. I can sort of forgive "New Genesis" since it was the opening performance, but I'm less forgiving of the other instances where action was going on. The decision to basically remove all sound effects during these fights so the song can take centerstage was a terrible one, it renders the battles during these scenes completely toothless, there's no impact to anything because it's more important you hear the song itself, but I can listen to the songs without fighting sounds whenever I want, they shouldn't have let this impact the impact of the fights. In the second half, they correct themselves as some sound effects do remain in but that doesn't excuse the first half. I love "Backlight" as a song, but as a part of the movie it feels weightless because the song is more important than what's actually happening on screen. And I just think these music videos sequences look pretty ugly. There are good cuts in there, but there's also a lot of ugly out-of-place CGI, and it feels like it's just trying to distract with a bunch of flashy bright colours rather than appeal through strong animation or interesting choreography. And a lot of the stuff made me cringe, especially the "Tot Musica" sequence where we get a bunch of close up with Uta having the typical over-the-top crazy evil expression, yuck. The animation outside of these were good, but honestly most of the sakuga highlights I've seen from the Wano arc are more appealing to me visually. Outside of the final attack from Shanks & Luffy, nothing really stands out as a visual highlight to me. Tot Musica kinda, he's the only CGI that even remotely works in the film, but I'll talk more about him later. One last comment on the production side of things, the instrumental "New Genesis" remixed with "We Are" was the best musical moment of the movie hands down. I guess that's another way the movie using the musical nature well, if "New Genesis" hadn't played in the beginning, that moment would be less effective. So that's too effective usages of the musical nature of the film. But enough about Ado, let's talk about Uta. I do not like her as a character, pretty much at all. There's some decent payoffs here, the aforementioned "The World's Continuation" is a solid redemptive moment, I'm glad they stuck to the stakes and actually killed her, even if they were kind of forced to because of canon. But otherwise, the brokenness of her Jigglypuff's power is a bit hard to swallow, especially in conjunction with Tot Musica. I do feel like a lot of these One Piece moves, attempt to go too far with the stakes. 70% of the world's population is a bit too heavy off a threat for a singular Devil Fruit. I feel like Film Z made a similar mistake and up-ing the stakes too high, but at least Film Red has the Idol themeing to make it work better, since at least it's rooted in something other than a plot MacGuffin like Dyna-Stones. Still, it actually being impossible to wake up under any circumstance except this oddly specific Tot Musica simul-attack, and the effects being permanent with Uta's death feels like overkill. It obviously needs to be that way in order for the plot to function with dramatic stakes, but it also instantly comes across as something they need to do for the plot to function. It feels forced. As a character though, I don't really find Uta all that likeable. I think I could've got behind her, but there are two things that really hurt me liking her. The first, and maybe the most baffling, was revealing that Uta actually knew all along that Shanks & the Red Hair Pirates were still good people and it was her with Tot Musica that cause the tragedy. On one hand, I like that the reveal of this to her in-plot didn't resolve it, the whole "He was painting himself as the bad guy for her benefit" lie twist is so overplayed and wouldn't have felt like an earned resolution. But at least in that case he usage of Tot Musica and overwhelming hatred she portrayed towards pirates made sense. I know she was also inspired by the messages from her fans but the massive hatred towards all Pirates even Luffy doesn't work as well anymore without the inciting misunderstanding. Even if you're someone who thinks her bitterness over being left behind was enough justification, you'd have to admit it made so much more sense when she believed even the family she loved so much turned out to be evil savages like those that plagued her fans. There'd be much more weight to her turning on Luffy with his refusal to abandon the pirate status. And then there's the second problem with Uta Uchiha, the Wake-Shrooms. Around the two-thirds point of the film, Sanji reveals that along with staying up & killing the eater, there exists a third side-effect from the Wake-Shroom, losing emotional control & turning aggressive. This is such a cheap way for the narrative to be able to handwave the actions of Uta into a more sympathetic light. She didn't do this because of her own beliefs or agency, she did this because of the drug altering her brain chemistry into an irrational state. It's annoying that they'd put this narrative cheap in the movie, it's even more annoying that they waited so long before revealing it. Like, why wouldn't Blueno or Koby mention this during their initial spiel, considering Uta's emotional state is definitely something important to consider due to the severity of the situation. Are we to believe that Cipher-Pol didn't know about this? The fact that it should've naturally been brought up earlier, but it saved for right before Uta unleashes Tot Musica is a blatant attempt at trying to lessen her own accountability for releasing the Demon King due to her chemically altered brain. One of the most frustrating, manipulative writing tricks I've seen in a One Piece movie. Even though it was adoptive, you can tell that Shanks & Uta are truly father & daughter considering both of them show a complete lack of care for the personal agency/freedom of those they care about. Uta didn't care that any of the audience's desire to return home and like tend to sheep like that one kid, and Shanks didn't care that Uta explicitly wanted to continue traveling forward as the Red Hair Pirates' musician. It's not even like she hesitated, her rejection was instant. Shanks position is a bit more understandable as direct parental authority over her but seriously, why the fuck did he think the best thing for Uta was abandoning her on a graveyard island whilst also convincing her that the family she thought loved them didn't? Sure, isolate a kid from all of society and make sure she thinks that nobody really loved her at first? And to be clear, I don't mind Shanks making a bad choice as a parent (& this 100% was), but I do take issue with the fact the movie doesn't actually criticize him for it. Uta's loneliness aside, the movie largely portrays Shanks' decision as a righteous one, it doesn't really paint him in the wrong for him. Both Shanks & Uta in the movie make life-changing decisions for others in the movie, under the belief it's for the best/what they really want, while not really listening to what they want when confronted with it. "I don't want to stay behind, I want to continuing being a pirate with you" so Shanks removes her agency and forces her on the singer path. "I don't want to live in a perpetual concert, I want to go back home and tend to sheep", so Uta removes their agency and makes them like toys instead. There's a direct parallel painted her that the movie never does anything with. To move away from complaints, Tot Musica is mostly a cool villain. As someone who actually preferred the One Piece movies before Oda got involved, I'm glad to see One Piece Film Red bring backs some of the mysticism that those earlier movies featured. Does it really fit in with One Piece's established world? Not really, but that's part of the appeal for me. Chopper Kingdom of Strange Animal Island, Curse of the Sacred Sword, and Baron Omatsuri and the Secret Island all forgo typical Devil Fruit explanations and have something a little more mystical and out-there from the One Piece norm. That's one element from all three of those films I really like, and it's one of my favourites about this too. Tot Musica is more of a Kirby Final Boss than anything belonging in One Piece, and that's kinda cool. It'd be a lot cooler if Tot Musica was an active threat. Kinda felt too defensive/reactive but whatever, that's a small quibble. The action scenes against him were still pretty fun. I like the bit where Sanji saves Brulee, and it's cool that Yasopp & Usopp got a moment. And while the attack in both realities thing is so clearly manufactured, it's still at least a little cool to see it in action. Again, the Shanks/Luffy final attack is the only one that stands out as a highlight, but most of it still fun enough. A lot of the action doesn't work because the music was prioritized over it, but the Tot Musica stuff mostly works. Comedy-wise this was hit or miss, with probably a stronger miss ratio. Loved Sunny turning into a Pokémon, but mini-Blueno didn't do anything for me. The extended looney tunes sequence with Luffy & Bartomoleo in the barrier was painfully unfunny, as was some of the Bepo gags. But there were good bits here, like Franky collapsing the building on them. I did get a good laugh out of how often Luffy feel for the "Drink this" trick. When we saw him fall for it the flashback I thought, well it's been a long time since then so it figures he'd fall for it again, but then Beckmann said "I can't believe he fell for it again" which I thought was a funny twist. It's not just her doing something that worked once when they were kids, she was doing something she always did when they were kids. The flashbacks with Luffy's awful straw hat drawing was also funny, and Luffy forgetting about her Devil Fruit is just amusing enough to not be a narrative detriment. Speaking of her devil fruit power, while I already explained that the mechanics of it felt too over the top, that it only functioned this way because it was necessary for the plot, I do think the idea of a collective dream world was a solid one. It was a good twist that was hinted at just enough before it was explained, that made sense of all the previous interactions. And while the nature of escaping is convoluted as hell, the dream stuff itself lent itself to some funky visuals. This could be hit or miss as mentioned before, but still. Finally, One Piece's cast has gotten really big, but I will credit this movie for still finding ways to make most of the Straw Hats themselves valuable. Always happy to see Nico Robin play a crucial role with figuring out the lore & how to defeat Tot Musica. While I hate the information he doled out, giving Sanji that little thread was nice, what with him discovering the Wake-Shroom earlier on. Brook as the other singer getting them free by interpreting the song was a nice touch. Usopp helped Robin read the roof and his Observation Haki with dad. Nami got Brulee to help them escape Franky's mistake. Zoro, Jinbei, and Chopper I don't recall getting anything beyond typical action sequences, but still with how expensive the cast is I thought the did a good job of doling out tasks for the Straw Hats and other popular characters like Law & Bartolomeo as well. Rating this was a bit of a tough one. I probably feel about a 5 towards it but I think it just scrapes by with 6. I tend to be a pretty generous scorer in general, and to be honest, since Film Z scrapped by with a 6, I didn't want to go lower with Red. I think Red may be worse than Z, but I'm not sure on that so I don't want to definitively stamp it as such yet. And I refuse to lower Film Z's score without a re-watch, which I'm not interested in doing. I gave a lot of One Piece movies a 6/10 I think, but there's definitely a range of within those films, and Z & Red are definitely at the bottom of that list. Both were movies I went into expecting them to be among my favourites if anything, so maybe my expectations are to blame, but still upsetting. |
Mattuzmk said: Just got my hand on the movie, managed to suffer through it. What a disappointment. Holy shit... I gave it a 4/10, but feels like it might be too generous. I've been watching anime OVAs and movies for a really long time now. I've seen pretty much every major release related to a big name medium, but this really feels like a bottom barrel movie. Best decision of my life that I didn't buy a movie ticket for this garbage. Probably would have walked out after like 30 mins. Yep,, was utter trash. Pace was gross and too much tried to fill in. |
| ngl this movie was pretty ass bruh nothing interesting happened mid animation and if u came here for ado then spotify exists u can listen to the full songs over there 💀💀 |
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| Beppo, hilarious, always shiny in the worst instant!!! 10/10 The sunny transformation, cool and chibi! 10/10 A person that lost the head and wants revenge and have a great power and try to do his/her mundial order.... ordinary plot! 1/10 Music 10/10 Animation style 10/10 Animation quality 9/10 dramatics 2/10 comedy 4/10 action 6/10 Uta Character 10/10 Uta evolution 5/10 Uta end 1/10 Why create or make a film when there are 10 great songs and there is unnecesary the Luffy appearance? I didnt like the film in general 4/10 |
| Not a fan of what writers did with Uta and Shanks, enjoyed the musical aspect of the film though. 7/10. Writing was contrived, but everything else was fairly entertaining. Decent popcorn movie. |
| I don't know why everyone seems to rate this too high for this movie. the story itself is pretty much simple and a big missunderstanding, which is kinda weak plot if you ask me. and the power scale for this movie is kinda off the chart, Uta is too overpowered, she seems too strong for a non pirate, which is ridiculous. we all know haki > df. so even if Luffy trapped in the dream world, he should be easily freed with his conqueror haki alone. but this seems like it wasn't the case. the fight against Tot Musica also is not as hype as it should be, maybe since it's a monster that never been exist in cannon OP world. I'd prefer a fight between pirates or a fight between marine and pirates. overall is ok, but not that amazing like everyone telling here. I can't decide if it 5/10 or 6/10 for me. |
| Was an alright movie, expected worse actually. The backstory did not make much sense, why would Shanks lie to her? He basically told the dude to tell her he abandoned her, surely that would not leave any emotional scars lol. And then once Uta found out she still tried to kill everyone? Pretty dumb. Lots of fanservice in this movie, like Katakuri making an appearance without any real point. Also I like how Law's ability is still too hax, even in a world where Uta was practically god xD Best scene was Uta fighting the marines who tried to catch her, that was pretty smooth. Also we've clearly seen that Shanks > Kizaru, so emperors > admirals finally confirmed :3 |
| I don't like musicals, and the whole movie felt like one. For sure I was expecting more :( |
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| Every song was so good and I teared up at the end. Also, I can't believe Gear 5 was here. |
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| This movie is really amazing! But did U.T.A die? Hmm... |
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| this was the first one piece film I've watched it was pretty good to see Shanks and his crew in action pretty sad that Uta died tho |
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| Watching this film months after it came out might've been best idea I could've done, since I had no more hype to care for, as for the movie itself, well it felt like they really wanted to do something different here or maybe Oda himself wanted, I'm not sure. The film itself felt like those Disney animated musicals, but its not like them to be honest. One of the main strenghts about this film is the whole hype moments we got to see and of course all the typical fan service characters like the admirals, Law, strawhats, etc. -Seeing Shanks and his crew fight was unreal, truly one of the high of the highs when it comes to delivering hype, its a little bit shame animation quality was not consistent overall -Sunny in human body was another unbelievable thing, really wish we get to see this beauty again one day -Uta as a character was pretty nice, althought its pretty obvious why she would not work in the canon of One Piece -The songs were also cool and great, not all but those that were delivered Now speaking about bad things for this movie, there are a few. The pacing was cranky and bizzare at times, and because of that the directing felt out of touch. Some decisions in the animation department along with lazy CGI for pretty high budget movie like this really made me confused, cmon Toei, even one piece anime series had better animation at current times than this. With all that being said, I think this is definitely not the worst one piece movie, but besides whole Shanks hype it does not have to offer a very consistent plot or animation 7.3/10 |
| best visual but nah the only good point about it is we see shank doin something |
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| Honestly, i was only really here for Ado and only for Ado everything else was just boring to me, the visuals were just about the only thing i liked about it. |
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| I finally saw the content on the video feed. There were more singing parts than I expected, and I felt like I was watching a musical movie rather than a One Piece movie. I was convinced after seeing the content that there were pros and cons when the movie was released in Japan. I have not seen any other One Piece movies yet, so I will watch some of them in the summer. |
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| I've been watching One Piece for 20 years now but this, this isn't One Piece, the license is only used as a pretext for making a story about a character played by a real singer, the interactions between the characters didn't feel legit at all, the story made no sense, the songs were okay but got tiring really fast, they frankly ruined Shanks and his crew's legendary status and yes its not canon but still i can't believe Oda greenlit this, even One Piece World Seeker had a better story that was more coherent and it was a 95% fan service game So yeah never would have thought i would rate badly something One Piece related but its a solid 4 (yeah fuck that 3.5 for spoiling the Gear 5 1 year before the anime series showed it,for no reason nonetheless) |
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| Some amazing songs and great visuals. It probably could've been a bit shorter though. Story isn't something we haven't seen before, escaping reality because of the cruelty in the world but it was still good. Sad to see Uta die though :/ The movie was fantastic though, it was great seeing all the factions work together for one goal. Especially seeing the Luffy / Shanks final scene was beautiful. I'm glad I saw the movie at this moment or otherwise I'd have unknowingly spoiled Gear 5 for myself x) |
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| I like Stampede more and the reason why I brought it up is because these two suddenly showed up on Netflix and I probably would have not watched them had they not. This one felt like an ad for some artist's album or something lol though the songs are honestly not bad and the visuals are good too. But really? Uta's plan is basically a bootleg of Madara's infinite tsukuyomi lmao! 7 |
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| great movie but i wouldnt say its my fave but still really good also to say Uta is an instant fave of mines after watching this |
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| WAY too much animation ! I couldnt follow it , i couldnt understand what hapening , each characters just appear at the screen , use 1 attack then leave it , and around 1/4 of the movie that is 3D animations of songs , also , im watching the bluray yet its censored -_- Story was fine , a bit childish but its nice to learn more about characters I wasnt expecting the animation of any anime to actualy be a bad thing 4/10 , im not used to score an anime that badly , its usualy around 7 and almost never go under 5 since under it mean i disliked it more than i liked it |
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| So my relationship with anime has basically dwindled to only watching it in March, so I understand this is a super late response but it's new to me so I want to respond anyway. Ended up checking your profile because I wanted to reference other OP Movies in my response and didn't want to spoil them too much if you haven't seen them, but it appears you also haven't been on MAL in about a year. Guess we're actually kindred spirits. But yeah, I'm not expecting any sort of response but I'm bored and this stuff is fun. Madonis said: really don't agree with the vast majority of your criticisms, but I'll discuss only one part of them here in the interest of saving time. Objectively, Uta grew up feeling abandoned by Shanks. You can't easily erase the pain and suffering of such a traumatic experience, especially at such a young age. That's arguably quite realistic. Furthermore, it is clearly incorrect to say that Uta knew everything. No, she saw a recording showing Shanks and the pirates attacking Tot Musica, while someone blames her for the destruction. That's all, it's not a full explanation or anything. That...doesn't really make things any easier for Uta. This is a minor point since it's not really related to my criticism's, but the only thing Uta didn't really know about what happened was Shanks motivation for abandoning her after the attack. Least by the time of the film, she clearly understood Tot Musica and it's involvement in the incident, otherwise she wouldn't have kept it for this, wouldn't have unleashed it later in the film, and wouldn't have said stuff to Gordon like "Why didn't you throw it away! Maybe you were hoping for the dawn of a new age too" (around 42 minutes into the movie). And there's only really too options for why Shanks would've left her behind. Either the truth where he left her behind so she could pursue her singing career, which she definitely could've figured out as it was their last major conversation with each-other, and I know in her shoes I'd be replaying the conversation all the time in my head. Or she could've thought that Shanks abandoned her because Shanks blames her for the attack, the framing of the reveal implies she believes this. But I imagine she never settled on a definitive opinion, and was probably a source of constant agony for her. Keep in mind this only happened after she had already become famous. On the contrary, she has spent more than a year gaining fans through their shared hatred and victimization at the hands of pirates, and now...she realizes that at least part of this shared experience was based on a lie. What could she do? Revealing the truth would most likely make people hate her and Uta was already embarking on a plan that, from her perspective, would save the population from any further violence. Knowing that you can't reveal the truth to anyone adds to her anxiety, rather than calming her. It's not a wise decision, but Uta is not supposed to be a highly experienced and mature individual. Quite the opposite. Okay I think I get it, you're saying Uta was lying. See, when I watched the movie, I took Uta's feelings & reactions as genuine. I thought she legitimately couldn't reconcile the idea of a Pirate also being a good person, so that when she found out Luffy was a Pirate and he wouldn't quit when she asked, she took that as him committing to the bad side. If you believed that Uta genuinely had believed pirates to be the source of all that's wrong and couldn't reconcile the idea of good pirates then my original opinion still seems inarguable to me. That those feelings and belief would be more strongly justified if she thought Shanks was the the one behind the attacks. I was stating there's no reasonable explanations for Uta's emotional state, I acknowledge some people will still find it justified, I was criticizing the movie for leading with a stronger emotional driver for her worldview, then replacing it with one that's objectively weaker. Again, at least if you believe that she couldn't reconcile the concept of a "Good pirate". It sounds like what you're saying is "Of course she knows that being a pirate doesn't automatically make you a bad person, but treating Luffy any differently would risk revealing the truth to the people she's sworn to save from piracy." So even if she doesn't believe Luffy is bad, she has to treat him like a villain for the optics, because she can't risk revealing the truth. Which could be the case, it fits with the idol theming since idols often have to portray personalities to appeal to their demos. And it does make my complaint invalid since Uta wouldn't actually have that strong hatred for Pirates as I thought. I don't know that I agree with that reading, but maybe. I will say however, that would make me like her even less. Like sure it makes sense, but just understanding the reasons why someone does something doesn't make them more likable. And I would like Uta more if her hatred to Pirates and turn on Luffy for being one was genuine, rather than something that's kind of a performance. If I'm wrong and that's not what you were getting at, then I guess no comment because otherwise I don't see how that counters my criticism. As someone who lives in the year 2023...it's a fact of life that many people in our current society will resort to various types of drugs or even just alcohol for many reasons, both of which can have a significant effect on people's behavior and emotions. Anime may exaggerate this a little, but the idea itself is also nothing remotely absurd nor impossible. Besides, I think there's plenty of foreshadowing throughout the movie, before we get the exposition scenes. Therefore, it wasn't an element they threw in at the last minute. It's only "manipulative" if you believe anime isn't allowed to include such things in the first place, even if they exist in our reality (and many real people are either dead or in jail for actions they committed under the influence). You definitely didn't understand my criticism so let me make myself clear, the reason I called it "manipulative" had nothing to do with it being drugs. I don't think it's manipulative to have drugs in anime, One Piece proper has done it before and I'm fine with it. I don't think it's manipulative to have drugs alter a characters personality, the same month I watched Film Red, I had also watched Cyberpunk: Edgerunners, an anime explicitly about that. And while I don't love the show, I wouldn't call it manipulative. In fact, the reason I called her Uta Uchiha in the paragraph about Wake-Shrooms specifically isn't because of the Madara references everyone makes. It's because Naruto does the exact same thing I'm criticizing Film Red for, except in Naruto, drugs aren't involved at all. I won't go into that because I don't want to spoil Naruto but I can explain what I mean using One Piece proper as an example. I think Ace's death in One Piece proper is kinda manipulative. It's not because I don't think it's realistic for someone to die by getting donutted, it has nothing to do with Ace's death at all. Oda had almost certainly planned for Ace's death by the time of his introduction in Alabasta, however Ace wasn't giving a ton of screentime prior to his death to really solidify his character. I would argue most of his characterization comes after his death, or at the very least, in the chapters leading up to his death. But this is a pivotal moment, so how do you ensure his death holds the impact necessary when you don't necessarily have the time to truly bond the audience with the character? Well, one way is to condition the audience into believing that nobody dies in current day One Piece, so that when Ace becomes the first to do so, it packs an extra punch. So when Pell or Pagaya survive their death scenes, it feels like it's done in service of Ace's eventual death. Pagaya's not that bad, but Pell's surviving hasn't amounted to anything in the story proper, and actually hurts Alabasta which spent a good time dedicated to the idea that war has causalities and Vivi wasn't going to accomplish this without losing anyone. Pell's death was the perfect way to tie up that thematic bow, and him surviving undermines that. And seemingly the only benefit towards that was to make Ace's death more impactful due to the surprise. To be fair, while Oda has certainly got better about actually killing characters off, he's still pretty bad with the amount of fake-out deaths and people turning up alive undercutting the dramatic tension, so I don't necessarily think it's intentional but functionally I'll still call it as such. Regardless, that's a scenario where even if you disagree with my assessment, it should be easy to understand why I think it's manipulative, even if I don't think his death scene itself is manipulative. It's the same scenario here, what I find manipulative isn't the drugs, it's the fact that they waited to reveal this until right before she unleashes Tot Musica to reveal this information, despite it making perfect sense to introduce it earlier. As I brought up in my initial post, why would Blueno & Koby mentioned that aspect of the Wake-Shrooms when they give the rundown of their situation to Luffy, Law, & others (around 52 minutes in when they discuss the Wake-Shrooms)? In-Series, the only reasons they wouldn't mention it is either A. They don't know about it, or B. They don't think it's important. The former I just don't believe, it makes no sense that this would be a secret side-effect only known to a few select cooks, especially since "making you aggressive & lose control of your emotions" is a pretty obvious side-effect then anyone would be able to observe. And the latter is more believable but would just paint them as super incompetent since the emotional stability of Uta is something that is incredibly important considering the circumstances. So I don't think it makes sense In-Series for them not to divulge this information but out of series, it makes perfect sense. Uta's about to do something awful in releasing Tot Musica, and since they want to ensure that Uta remains sympathetic to the audience, revealing this additional effect right before she does something awful will produce a chilling effect to the hostility the audience might feel to her. Had they simply revealed this earlier along with the other information, I wouldn't have called it manipulative. I'll grant I might not have liked it since I still think it's a pretty shallow/surface-level depiction of drug use (in fairness, maybe I was subconsciously comparing it to Cyberpunk's portrayal, which isn't entirely fair to Film Red), but I certainly wouldn't have been as aggressive about it or labeled it manipulative. So if you want to change my mind on this, you'd have to argue that there's a strong reason for Blueno & Koby not to mention this side-effect and/or give a strong reason to wait until right before Uta unleashing Tot Musica that has nothing to do with providing a chilling effect. Now, this doesn't mean you'd have to agree me with me. I think it'd be fair to say either "maybe it is manipulative but it is effective, and I watch media to be brought on an emotional journey so I'm not going to fault them for that" or more where I think you'll land "most media is structured in a way to elicit an emotional reaction, I don't think this reaches the pejorative of "manipulation" because shining a light on real-world issues matter's more than just being as forthright about what they were going for". I don't really agree with either, particularly the latter, but I think are fine responses to my criticism. As for the foreshadowing, I don't really remember any but it's been a year, so maybe I forgot. Only thing I remember is Sanji noticing the Wake-Shrooms early and reacting to them, which hints that he at least knows what they are, but not to the actual effects. I couldn't find it while skimming but I'm 100% confident that it was before the audience was even clued into what the Wake-Shrooms are. I don't recall any other instances but if you come back on, feel free to list them because I could've missed it. The only other thing I think you could mean with foreshadowing, is that you can use it to explain some of Uta's previous outbursts or reactions, which sure you could post-hoc but Uta's negative reactions to the people rejecting the forever concert makes perfect sense without any drug involvement. It doesn't need that to explain anything. Almost her entire social life has been hearing nothing but praise from her fandom or hearing them complain about pirates and how her music helps make it easier to get by or whatever. So obviously, when she comes up with a way to save them for their plight, after only ever being on a pedestal for them, along with the aforementioned guilt with Tot Musica, obviously when they reject her she's going to take it hard because she never got the chance to learn how to handle that healthily, and I'm sure she's also messed up because if she believes she caused Shanks to abandon her with the Tot Musica attack in the past, she's worried about a similar level happening again. You could call it foreshadowing because it lines up with her previous actions, but the drugs themselves aren't necessary in explaining that. They do however, make it more palatable for people to empathize with her, because it might've been too much of an ask for people to empathize with her without that external force. Which a total aside, while skimming through the movie again, they imply the initial attack was brought upon but Tot Musica exerting influence over child Uta before she even read it. Didn't remember that, thought she just found them and sang it because why would she expect anything bad to happen from that. I don't mind this on a kid level because nobody reasonable would truly blame kid Uta, but I assume this means even in the modern day Tot Musica might be influencing her on top of the drugs as well. Which blegh, but it's a small line so this is a minor quibble if anything. I would say the parallel you've mentioned does exist, among others, but it's up to the viewer to make such judgments of morality and ethics. I didn't need the movie to jump out and explicitly spell it out for me, to be honest. Especially since it's hard to give Shanks the spotlight as a character before the manga gives him a lot more attention, so the film needed to be careful about how much he was allowed to say or do. Despite that...there's various connections we can identify and draw, but they are more implicit than anything else. Further, I would say the movie does sympathize with his intentions being initially good, but I didn't feel his action in and of itself was necessarily being justified at all. Parents can make mistakes that hurt their children all the time, even if they thought those actions were for their own good, and you don't always need someone to say "I admit that was wrong" for the underlying message to be conveyed. Hell, you could argue that Shanks coming back to save her and exposing himself, in practice, already says a lot. You don't have to say the parallel exists, I explicitly said it did. My contention was that they don't do anything with it. For example, I don't know if you've seen Film Gold, but in broad strokes, the villain of that movie gets a backstory. I love his flashblack, it's one of my favourite scenes in any One Piece movie. I've rewatched it several times, I love the story itself but particularly how it's shot. However, I would argue they don't really do anything with it. If you remove the backstory, nothing about the movie really changes. You'll understand the big bad more, but that's it. His backstory never really comes back into play at the end, despite how easy to do such (literally just like a line of dialogue would've suffice). Like how I praised Film Red for featuring The World's Continuation earlier on so it meant more in the climax, Gold doesn't do anything like that with the backstory. Granted, a flashback is something more tangible than a parallel, I guess I'd want more concrete criticisms. And of course I didn't need the movie to jump out and explicitly spell it out for me either, because as you can tell from my previous post, I had already came to my own moral judgments about the situations. My problem is that I don't agree with what I read to be the movie's stance. Like Luffy's reaction to finding out why Shanks' abandoned her is "that makes him a good guy" and while Luffy's an idiot, he's pretty much utilized as the show's moral compass, I can't think of any instance where the show doesn't align with Luffy's perspective. Granted, any other instance is more implicit, I would argue the reveal of why Shanks abandoned her as a whole is painted quite favourable towards him, from like the music, Gordon's reaction, and the general tone and I guess you could argue Uta not being swayed by this is them disagreeing with it. Although typically, series don't side with the antagonists so I wouldn't use her positions to defend the movie's position on things. Being charitable, I assume the reason they didn't really criticize Shanks at all throughout the movie is because they obviously want people to sympathize with Uta, and from a Utilitarian aspect what Uta's doing is far worse than what Shanks did, so how can they go hard on Shanks if they want people to still feel for Uta despite her actions being worse. At least from a Utilitarian perspective, personally I'd probably say Shanks' actions were worse than Uta's. But uncharitably, it feels pretty cowardly to me. You mentioned that they are kind of handicapped due to Shanks' position in the manga. Which side-bar, I don't view is a defense of the movie, I view that as a negative. They shouldn't be telling a story where they'd be handicap by the canon to this extent to begin, they could've made the movie about anything, they didn't have to give Shanks the spotlight. I kinda feel like part of the reason they were so reserved in being critical of Shanks is solely because they're afraid of any backlash considering his popularity and important stature in the series. And Shanks coming back to save her and expose himself just highlights his love for her, something I never doubted he had. |
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