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I know this show has them and I wont deny it. But what I want to say is at least try to check the fact and some details before commenting :) |
Andes-ChuckyJun 3, 2016 9:23 PM
| @Baka-Hiru Also, I do want to acknowledge it's possible for Biba to get a backstory that makes him more sympathetic. At first, Kurusu seemed like a complete asshole, but slowly this series has done some work to make him seem a little more human, and you can understand why he is so quick to fly off the handle with the many dangers that lurk around the world. I actually expect that Biba will have some sad backstory, however I don't think you can so quickly defend his actions or compare him to a 3rd world parent, because again, I feel like Biba has more access to different options than a 3rd world parent. Even if he was originally outlawed, right now a lot of people love and respect him and he really doesn't need to keep Mumei on the battle field. |
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Andes-Chucky said: I know this show has them and I wont deny it. But what I want to say is at least try to check the fact and some details before commenting :) If you're so sure then, why bother? tinybunnvevo said: @Baka-Hiru Also, I do want to acknowledge it's possible for Biba to get a backstory that makes him more sympathetic. At first, Kurusu seemed like a complete asshole, but slowly this series has done some work to make him seem a little more human, and you can understand why he is so quick to fly off the handle with the many dangers that lurk around the world. I actually expect that Biba will have some sad backstory, however I don't think you can so quickly defend his actions or compare him to a 3rd world parent, because again, I feel like Biba has more access to different options than a 3rd world parent. Even if he was originally outlawed, right now a lot of people love and respect him and he really doesn't need to keep Mumei on the battle field. I think, based on this episode, that Biba has a vendetta against the elite that sends soldiers to die into the battlefield. Is a simple motive, but it works. He smiling is just bloodlust that has developed during the 10 years IIRC he has been killing Kabanes since the betrayal, and he using experiments is just a way to get power. |
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I just dont like people comment before checking the details. :) and I didnt talk about you. I like cute character designs. :) I hope I could crop Mumei only, but I couldnt. |
Andes-Chucky said: I just dont like people comment before checking the details. :) and I didnt talk about you. I never insinuated that you were talking about me nevertheless. |
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So, that's okay and thanks to you, you gave me a new vocab: insinuated XD LOL I wont. I dont like such stuff on my cute characters XD |
| Biba was already hinted to be a bad guy. This episode spent it's entirety painting and establishing Biba as a villain when we already have some idea of it beforehand. Plan seems awfully straightforward, obtain Kotetsujyo's Master Key, kill everybody not on his side. Approach Kongokaku(capital), request entry as Kotetsujyo [while his own train is still latched], let loose horde of Kabane inside. I'd be surprised if it turns out any different tbh. 3/5 only because of fluid and captivating action scenes |
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tinybunnvevo said: @Baka-Hiru Also, I do want to acknowledge it's possible for Biba to get a backstory that makes him more sympathetic. At first, Kurusu seemed like a complete asshole, but slowly this series has done some work to make him seem a little more human, and you can understand why he is so quick to fly off the handle with the many dangers that lurk around the world. I actually expect that Biba will have some sad backstory, however I don't think you can so quickly defend his actions or compare him to a 3rd world parent, because again, I feel like Biba has more access to different options than a 3rd world parent. Even if he was originally outlawed, right now a lot of people love and respect him and he really doesn't need to keep Mumei on the battle field. Well, I guess I'm just slightly hoping for a deeper back-story. Since most who watch this anime likely watched SnK I guess that's the reason why views are split regarding Biba guy especially when it comes to motive. Though unfortunately the plot seems straight lined and simple. I guess I'll just watch it for the cool animation. Nice insight though. |
| I saw several people complain about the scene where Mumei decides to fight and kills her attacker being too similar to the scene with Mikasa in AoT, but they're missing something important which I think ANN in their review of this episode describes nicely (potential spoilers for episode 6 of Attack on Titan): |
tinybunnvevo said: Baka-Hiru said: *Sigh........fine I'll elaborate because just like you first world people FAIL to understand. First you have to understand that even I believe what they do are unethical, immoral, bad or just plain unjustifiable......However, it is very much UNDERSTANDABLE. You have to see the big difference between justifiable and understandable. First world countries have systems that protect the lives of most ordinary people so that if they give their children a gun they will be frowned upon by society or even jailed. However, if you live in war torn countries where any day bandits can steal, kill or rape your children and there is no government to protect you. then giving your daughter a gun for her own protection is the rational thing to do. Or that children in Africa would rather hold a gun and fight than live a life worst than dogs. So you have to parallel their circumstances to this anime. If Mumei is just attending typical anime highschool and still gets experimented then I'll agree with you that what Biba did was bad for Mumei. Unfortunately she lives in a world far worst than africa or the middle east. You simply cannot talk smugly about ethic if you cannot even afford it. #LikeBIBA I do want to say that when faced with harsh circumstances people will do what they have to do when trying to survive in war ridden areas. However just because you understand doesn't meant you can't acknowledge how serious and tragic things like war is especially for children who often get caught up in the crossfires of trained soldiers. Your response here has a lot of empathy, which your original comment lacked, which is why I responded in the way I did. Children being hurt is really a sore spot for me. Thanks for actually explaining yourself as opposed to writing me off, because I really didn't understand what your comment. (it not only upset me but it also confused me). Because his original comment really shouldn't have required elaboration. Nobody likes children being hurt, so his reference to the relativity of their position was evident. I guess some of us have a more harsh way of talking though, which can be confusing to others. He did indeed explain it well in his second post. Bottom line is that when everything goes to shit, you're not going to say: "I won't give my son a rifle, because he's still legally a minor. I'll wait for his birthday instead." KoreaWS said: Andes-Chucky said: Some of the negative comments and questions was answered/ shown by the show itself. If you want to critique the show, you should watch the show properly, or your comments only show your stupidity Thanks You know, it's easy to turn off critique when you deny yourself of the existence of the flaws. This show has a shit ton of flaws. Have a nice day. It does, but then again most shows have, and I do think this show has been held against unrealistic standards ever since the first episode. |
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| #1. so Levi and Cap'n Erwin is a same person and made into antagonist... very clever. #2. Biba's crew consist of cut-throat and high-tech ninja. The way they show their ruthlessness through killing innocent spider was truly atrocious and stupidly provocative.. #3. Wait, what? they got mortar this entire time? imediately mass produce that shit! #4. Those girl. the machinist and the lordess, they act so leisurely when somebody just asked about a master-card and didn't even think about possible mutiny and coup d'etat. #5. I don't know how okuchi wrote, but now i'm convinced that he's not the brightest kid in his class. To strengthen this claim, let me present you a qoute from this episode: "Biba. He's no hero. I saw him. He was smiling." now let's look at this for a while folks. Ikoma didn't gave a proper context to his declarations, so we could assume the side character could not imagine when or where he was smiling. How the hell did you expect him to properly transmit his exact expression? Ikoma : "why did you kill him?" Biba : "why're you angry?" Ikoma : "Because he was asking for helps!" I was like : Ikoma you piece of shit, solid snake just tried to assassinate biba. What else did you expect? |
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Darklight0303 said: Cyborg_Dragon said: The dialogue felt kind of rushed this episode I was kind of liking the whole conversation between Biba and Ikoma this episode until Ikoma got a bit mad on the battlefield, we know its bad to see people die but they did lead kabane to the wall just to get senpai Biba to notice them. They didn't though. It's more likely the fireworks drew them in. it was 3 guys dragging some cart outside the wall that lured kabaneri to the wall so they can lure biba out they mentioned and showed this for 3 seconds during the episode and it was a very bad plan considering they had an old man with one eye assinate biba but instead tell biba he is here to assinate him then gets assinated himself. |
MysteriousBanana said: You missed a line in the translation. The exact quote is "あいつは英雄なんかじゃない。あの時、こいつが笑ったんだ", which translates to "He's no hero. He was smiling back then." That's vague, yes, but it's not devoid of any attempts to provide context. Ayame, Takumi, and Ikoma don't share many moments where they would have all seen Biba at the same time, and certainly none that would stand out in memory as much as when Ikoma was getting all indignant at Biba. You mean "ano toki" right? that's beyond vague, that's ambiguous! considering Ikoma did not spend much time with biba, yes. but again how the other two would know he's not refering the event when Ikoma and biba was repairing the loco? then again without the insert video we'll be lost on translation, thank god the director at least know his job... |
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MysteriousBanana said: Cyborg_Dragon said: it was 3 guys dragging some cart outside the wall that lured kabaneri to the wall so they can lure biba out they mentioned and showed this for 3 seconds during the episode and it was a very bad plan considering they had an old man with one eye assinate biba but instead tell biba he is here to assinate him then gets assinated himself. Er, they weren't dragging a cart. It was three corpses tied to a horse, you can see the rope around their waists, which in turn is connected to the horse's harness. They left a nice, long blood trail for the kabane to follow, just like how Ikoma left a blood trail in the first episode. opiktea said: #5. I don't know how okuchi wrote, but now i'm convinced that he's not the brightest kid in his class. To strengthen this claim, let me present you a qoute from this episode: "Biba. He's no hero. I saw him. He was smiling." now let's look at this for a while folks. Ikoma didn't gave a proper context to his declarations, so we could assume the side character could not imagine when or where he was smiling. How the hell did you expect him to properly transmit his exact expression? You missed a line in the translation. The exact quote is "あいつは英雄なんかじゃない。あの時、こいつが笑ったんだ", which translates to "He's no hero. He was smiling back then." That's vague, yes, but it's not devoid of any attempts to provide context. Ayame, Takumi, and Ikoma don't share many moments where they would have all seen Biba at the same time, and certainly none that would stand out in memory as much as when Ikoma was getting all indignant at Biba. the shot of the dragged bodies when so fast my eyes fooled me plus I was drunk when watching the episode so I was prone to being wrong. |
Lukiose said: Plan seems awfully straightforward, obtain Kotetsujyo's Master Key, kill everybody not on his side. Approach Kongokaku(capital), request entry as Kotetsujyo [while his own train is still latched], let loose horde of Kabane inside. @kamisama751 Here, the stuff that Lukiose said could be the reason for why he needed the key;That's just one possibility tho... |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| There's a much simpler reason to want the key. Without that key the Kotetsujou cannot decouple from Biba's train |
| I am still dumbstruck as to what the master key actually is,............. |
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ibraheem234 said: I am still dumbstruck as to what the master key actually is,............. It's the key that lets the engine of the Kotetsujou turn on and controls the coupling of the cars. |
kamisama751 said: HyperL said: @kamisama751 Here, the stuff that Lukiose said could be the reason for why he needed the key;That's just one possibility tho... But from what I have seen the key is already useless because the hole for it is in the other train, not in this one. So obtain it has no merit. I don't see where you comin from...All he need after he obtains the key is to casualy walk to the front end of the train and use it... |
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Darklight0303 said: There's a much simpler reason to want the key. Without that key the Kotetsujou cannot decouple from Biba's train @kamisama751 Another reason right here, without the key the good guys won't be able to escape when Biba decides to take over... |
HyperLJun 4, 2016 6:40 AM
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HyperL said: Darklight0303 said: There's a much simpler reason to want the key. Without that key the Kotetsujou cannot decouple from Biba's train @kamisama751 Another reason right here, without the key the good guys won't be able to escape when Biba decides to make over... Regardless of the result his plan would gain Biba something. If he had the key he had full control of the Kotetsujou and lets face it 4 BUSHI and a rookie Kabaneri would never beat the hunters in a head on fight so taking the key back. hahaha fuck no. And now since he didn't get the key and instead got Mumei betrayed by the crew of the Kotetsujou, he broke the bond of trust from Mumei to the Kotetsujou. It was a win win plan from the start. |
| Biba-sama is going to inject himself with a serum and turn into some kind of Uber-Kabaneri at the end, isn't he? At least that's how all the Resident Evil villains turn out. |
Torrible said: Biba-sama is going to inject himself with a serum and turn into some kind of Uber-Kabaneri at the end, isn't he? At least that's how all the Resident Evil villains turn out. And then he gets tossed into Mount Fuji where he falls into the lava after Ikoma punches a boulder out of the way |
| I'am the only one who thinks Biba has evil intentions? |
HikarusukeJun 4, 2016 12:49 PM
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Hikarusuke said: I'm I the only one who thinks Biba has evil intentions ....................... |
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HyperL said: Just because he did a little grammatical error there's no need to point it out ^^Hikarusuke said: I'm I the only one who thinks Biba has evil intentions ....................... |
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zal said: Just because he did a little grammatical error there's no need to point it out ^^ Hey Zal, i see that you're not participating much in this thread...not seeing any worth in any of the discussions right now? |
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HyperL said: Not only this week but since 2 weeks ago it has become boring (but I was participating because people quoted me or there was some eye catching post), also now that the hype has faded I don't care that much anymore and I am not here to discuss opinions because nothing will change when discussing them.zal said: Just because he did a little grammatical error there's no need to point it out ^^ Hey Zal, i see that you're not participating much in this thread...not seeing any worth in any of the discussions right now? |
zalJun 4, 2016 7:47 AM
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zal said: HyperL said: It has become boring, now that the hype has faded I don't care that much anymore and I am not here to discuss opinions because nothing will change when discussing them.Hey Zal, i see that you're not participating much in this thread...not seeing any worth in any of the discussions right now? I get ya, the only one here that really came with some actual inconsistencies to talk about was kamisama751, the rest of them are just opinions. |
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Darklight0303 said: Torrible said: Biba-sama is going to inject himself with a serum and turn into some kind of Uber-Kabaneri at the end, isn't he? At least that's how all the Resident Evil villains turn out. And then he gets tossed into Mount Fuji where he falls into the lava after Ikoma punches a boulder out of the way "UROBOROS!!!!!!!" #Iunderstoodthatreference |
Laionidas said: tinybunnvevo said: I do want to say that when faced with harsh circumstances people will do what they have to do when trying to survive in war ridden areas. However just because you understand doesn't meant you can't acknowledge how serious and tragic things like war is especially for children who often get caught up in the crossfires of trained soldiers. Your response here has a lot of empathy, which your original comment lacked, which is why I responded in the way I did. Children being hurt is really a sore spot for me. Thanks for actually explaining yourself as opposed to writing me off, because I really didn't understand what your comment. (it not only upset me but it also confused me). Because his original comment really shouldn't have required elaboration. Nobody likes children being hurt, so his reference to the relativity of their position was evident. I guess some of us have a more harsh way of talking though, which can be confusing to others. He did indeed explain it well in his second post. Bottom line is that when everything goes to shit, you're not going to say: "I won't give my son a rifle, because he's still legally a minor. I'll wait for his birthday instead." KoreaWS said: You know, it's easy to turn off critique when you deny yourself of the existence of the flaws. This show has a shit ton of flaws. Have a nice day. It does, but then again most shows have, and I do think this show has been held against unrealistic standards ever since the first episode. Hype is a cruel thing. However, it has also been judged by the same standards any story could be judged. And the show doesn't has to be realistic, only reasonable, and sometime they've failed on doing so. |
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| idk.. this anime gets more and more trashy with each new episode.. still enjoying it, but definitely not an amazing anime so far. Not even remotely as good as SnK |
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Romeo said: idk.. this anime gets more and more trashy with each new episode.. still enjoying it, but definitely not an amazing anime so far. Not even remotely as good as SnK Snk? Good? hahahha nice joke |
| On one hand, spiders deserve to be eliminated in such fashion, on the other, he tried way to hard to make it look like he was going to stab the princess. Excellent little battle against the Kabane outside the wall. More on Mumei's story. Figured pinkish hair dude with Mumei wasn't gonna be too much of a good guy. He ain't no hero. |
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Darklight0303 said: Romeo said: idk.. this anime gets more and more trashy with each new episode.. still enjoying it, but definitely not an amazing anime so far. Not even remotely as good as SnK Snk? Good? hahahha nice joke hmn, sorry.. not in the mood to take your bait and start a long discussion now. So let's just analyze your edgy and oh so "controversial" opinion and come to the obvious conclusion: yes, you are one special and unique snowflake.. you're very brave and the only one out of 2000000 billion individuals who hates SnK. I am intrigued and fascinated by your strong beliefs and unfathomable intelligence, your personality is admirable |
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| Mumei is such an unlikeable character. |
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Apocalipse is actually Biba already transformed; Since he was too powerful they coudn't defeat him and so they decided to seal him; Now he finally returns after millenniums to kill the weak and make a world for the strong... |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| Biba reminds me of Griffith from Berserk. In fact, the scene with Mumei as a young girl almost exactly mirrors the first time Griffth meets Casca(except different circumstances for Casca at the time). Griffith “saved” Casca like Biba “saved” Mumei: telling each girl to pick up the sword and save themselves, if their life had any value. |
| So they are strong only because they have access to better technology like Mortars and motorcycles? pssht |
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Jaslen said: Ano toki refers to a time/incident that involves the listener as well. It tells the listener that they already have knowledge of which incident it was. Otherwise "Sono toki" is used. So it could be only that incident where Ayama and Takumi were present, in fact they had to step in. Still contextually weak. When ikoma and biba was repairin a loco, ayame was also present. Then, how do we know that he's not speaking exclusively to ayame? even weirder, he's facing the door when he's speaking... well, to be fair, he's facing the audience... so maybe he's breaking the 4th wall, now that's allright... Jaslen said: As for this : Ikoma : "why did you kill him?" Biba : "why're you angry?" Ikoma : "Because he was asking for helps!" I was like : Ikoma you piece of shit, solid snake just tried to assassinate biba. What else did you expect? Correct me if I'm wrong but this is what I saw happen. Ikoma had his back to Biba and the assassin. He only turned around when he was startled by the noise made when Biba knocked Enoku down. First thing he saw was Biba lunging at the man with his sword, and the man pleads for help. I think it is understandable how he reacted. Takumi had to tell him that it was the other way around. Seems like you are right! I apologize but i'm in suspension of disbelief... ikoma was neither battling any kabane nor get any distraction apart from the assassination event. Yet this is what we got. even his friend got alarmed by that event, yet he's not somehow? i know that's possible, but fuck me! |
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Laionidas said: Because his original comment really shouldn't have required elaboration. Nobody likes children being hurt, so his reference to the relativity of their position was evident. I guess some of us have a more harsh way of talking though, which can be confusing to others. He did indeed explain it well in his second post. Bottom line is that when everything goes to shit, you're not going to say: "I won't give my son a rifle, because he's still legally a minor. I'll wait for his birthday instead." The way he originally worded it gave of a different connotation, so i mistook their tone for something else. Also, again i'm not denying that that isn't an understandable if not the right course of action when you are faced with such circumstances. My point is that I don't think you can compare someone like Biba with a concerned parent. I think Biba seems to have other agendas that aren't as pure/justifiable as the love a parent has for a child AND he clearly well liked, has influence, and resources that struggling parents just don't have. |
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KoreaWS said: I think, based on this episode, that Biba has a vendetta against the elite that sends soldiers to die into the battlefield. Is a simple motive, but it works. He smiling is just bloodlust that has developed during the 10 years IIRC he has been killing Kabanes since the betrayal, and he using experiments is just a way to get power. I agree, he probably has some personal hurt feelings and feels betrayed due too some past mistreatment by the elite. It's not an extremely new idea, but it's also not necessarily a poor one and makes sense with the different dynamics they are trying to paint within the social classes. I do hope they give us more variety of characters within each class so as not to leave one class 1 dimensional. Baka-Hiru said: Well, I guess I'm just slightly hoping for a deeper back-story. Since most who watch this anime likely watched SnK I guess that's the reason why views are split regarding Biba guy especially when it comes to motive. Though unfortunately the plot seems straight lined and simple. I guess I'll just watch it for the cool animation. Nice insight though. Personally I think there is room for a deeper backstory, but I'm not sure if we will get it mainly due to the amount of time left on this anime. I think there are a lot of cool concepts going on here, but it's taken me about 6-7 episodes to really get acquainted with and fond of the pacing and characters. It's been falling a pretty linear path (which the goal getting to that one strong hold), however I have a feeling things might be rushed since they might want to give a lot of action and a cool finale sine they may not get renewed for another season. To satisfy fans, I think they might try to compensate with pretty animation at the expense of the plot, which would be too bad because there are lot's of things to like about this anime. |
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HyperL said: Crashmatt said: Once again we have the weekly moaner winger & whiners. Please just stop watching if you don't like it, just stop bitching about every little thing every fecking week. If this wasn't a WIT production it wouldn't get anywhere near the level of critique it gets on here. Oooh I don't like it because there is another bad guy. Boo hoo, go & watch Naruto. Honestly I don't know what people expected from this series. Guess what? I think this show is amazing both in production story & music score. Heading for a rare 10/10 from me. And i don't know what you expect form a thread called Koutetsujou no Kabaneri Episode 8 Discussion. "Don't like it don't watch it" ? If that is really a thing then there woudn't be stuff like critical reviews and ratings......oh how about this? If you don't like the bad comments, DON'T READ THEM! DON'T EVEN COME TO THIS THREAD EVEN! See? Did you like it? I used your little formula against you...Do you agree with your own formula? Go think about it a little ;) You are one of the few intelligent people in this thread. |
tinybunnvevo said: KoreaWS said: I think, based on this episode, that Biba has a vendetta against the elite that sends soldiers to die into the battlefield. Is a simple motive, but it works. He smiling is just bloodlust that has developed during the 10 years IIRC he has been killing Kabanes since the betrayal, and he using experiments is just a way to get power. I agree, he probably has some personal hurt feelings and feels betrayed due too some past mistreatment by the elite. It's not an extremely new idea, but it's also not necessarily a poor one and makes sense with the different dynamics they are trying to paint within the social classes. I do hope they give us more variety of characters within each class so as not to leave one class 1 dimensional. Including new characters for that purpose is risky, since you are just adding more one note characters. They will, therefore, feel more like tools that characters, considering that fleshing them out takes time. It is an interesting idea, but I think KnK can't really do that much with the time it has left. |
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