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Nov 22, 2008 10:05 AM

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one more thing

Chucky said:

Except that Takumi can do this without a sword. (why does he need to look for a sword when he can do this anyway?)


Takumi doesn't fully understand how a Di-Sword works. All he knows is that he is in danger and that Ayase tells him the only way to save himself is to find his sword. To him, having a bad-ass sword means security, not knowing that he doesn't need one.


Nov 22, 2008 10:06 AM

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MasterOot said:
thank you :)

the Di-Swords replaced the delusion(the digger) with another delusion that was the exact same as normal reality (no digger moving about by itself)

this may be a be confusing so let me illustrate:

normal reality (no delusion were forced by anyone) ->
digger appears( a delusion that achieves shared recognition caused by the backpacks) ->
At this point everyone accepts the digger as "real"
Sena and Kozue "overwrites" (for lack of better term) the digger delusion with another one in which the digger does not exist with their Di-Swords

At the end of the scene, the NOZOMI heads are reviewing the destruction of several backpacks (these are the ones that cuased the digger delusion)

btw the people carrying the backpacks are called "porters"

I hope this helps anyone who is confused!


Is it not more like since the Di-swords killed the backpacks the illusion is gone and all is back to normal or nothing will be to normal because NOAH 2 blasted the city?
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Nov 22, 2008 10:34 AM

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I think I get it now, thanks. If I were Takumi, I'd want a badass sword like that too.
Nov 22, 2008 10:39 AM

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Chucky said:
I think I get it now, thanks. If I were Takumi, I'd want a badass sword like that too.


Some stuff I got from someone FOR YOU TO HELP!

"Gigalomaniacs... What are they?"
"I told you before. People who can see the swords."
"No, in greater detail, like, the the principle of how it works..."
"Those who possess the ability to interact with the Dirac's sea. That's what Gigalomaniacs are."
"A, an, unobservable interface... filled with negative energy... or something, was it?"
"To put it broadly, yes. And Di-Swords are the terminals that permit interference in it. Think of them as the tip of the pipe stuck in the Dirac's sea. Since they are connected with the Dirac's sea, Di-Swords, too, are composed of negative matter. They're an existence that infinitely collapses in on itself. Which is why ordinary people can neither touch nor see them, and they're something like a delusion. These Di-Swords serve the function of a shortcut to every possible form of real-booting. When you enlarge the channel between your Di-Sword and Dirac's sea, according to Dirac's equation theory, pair production occurs, leading to the formation of particles and antiparticles. Those particles are the delusions given rise to by Gigalomaniac, and to the rest of the world, they are errors. To make those errors part of reality, all you need to do is to send the created particles into someone's dead spots. The particles are instantly converted into electrical signals, and through the shared recognition of nearby humans - they becoming reality. When you want to erase them, on the other hand, you need to send antiparticles into the dead spots where you sent the original particles, thereby leading to mutual annihilation."

"When your biorhythms rise, leading to the excessive secretion of dopamine in the neurons of your midbrain limbic system, your Di-Sword will appear. Depending on the person, it could be when they're in a hazardous situation, or when they're agitated, or sad, or filled with hate, or laughing. The higher the amount of dopamine produced, the easier it becomes to observe."


"Why did you do it?"
"I've talked about it over and over. To other detectives."
"To block the resurrection of the evil king Glajioul, right?"
"I hadn't planned on dying. I only meant to carry my soul to a higher stage."
"Didn't you say something similar in your song, the one that's such a hot topic among all the young people out there?"
"That poem isn't about New-Gen. I was inspired by chapter 3, verse 102 of the Glajioul Saga. The evil king Glajioul is attempting to materialize in the world. Seven stakes, created from the black blood shed by Glajioul, are needed to block his resurrection. The stakes transform into swords and arrive in the hands of the seven black knights who have overcome celestial punishment. An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth. Only humans burdened by evil hearts can destroy the evil king Glajioul."
"It, it kinda sounds like a movie. I love that sort of epic setting!"
"It's not a 'setting'. It's reality."
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Nov 22, 2008 10:57 AM

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The title of the 7th episode: Revelation

should have been called: Explanation

It was a good one !





Nov 22, 2008 12:51 PM

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slayer545 said:
MasterOot said:
thank you :)

the Di-Swords replaced the delusion(the digger) with another delusion that was the exact same as normal reality (no digger moving about by itself)

this may be a be confusing so let me illustrate:

normal reality (no delusion were forced by anyone) ->
digger appears( a delusion that achieves shared recognition caused by the backpacks) ->
At this point everyone accepts the digger as "real"
Sena and Kozue "overwrites" (for lack of better term) the digger delusion with another one in which the digger does not exist with their Di-Swords

At the end of the scene, the NOZOMI heads are reviewing the destruction of several backpacks (these are the ones that cuased the digger delusion)

btw the people carrying the backpacks are called "porters"

I hope this helps anyone who is confused!


Is it not more like since the Di-swords killed the backpacks the illusion is gone and all is back to normal or nothing will be to normal because NOAH 2 blasted the city?


Sena and Kozue caused the delusion to disappear BEFORE striking down the porters, but you are right, if the backpacks were destroyed first, the result would have been the same except that people would remember the digger because there is nothing to overwrite their "reality"


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Kind of a boring episode but it had to be done just to kind of explain everything that is going on although im not really sure still but it sounds interesting, will have to see what happens in the next one
Nov 22, 2008 1:46 PM

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Could have done with out the triumvirate's explaination of real booting. It only caused confusion once Seina began her much more straight forward explaination. Didn't really care for the episode. This show needs to start to get to an overarching story with action and consequences rather than exposition and set up.
Nov 22, 2008 3:02 PM

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It cleared some things up and confused it too :P

Nov 22, 2008 4:07 PM

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I thought it was a great episode, Taku materialized the Di-Sword..though the explanation of putting illusions outside of peoples eyesight range was a little confusing. Real Boot and whatnot, Sena shows a bit of a cute side with the shopping and the photograph though. Can't wait for the next one.
Nov 22, 2008 4:44 PM

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lol awesome first post.

this episode was really all over the place, we get mumbo jumbo explanations which follow the scene with the badly designed bullies, and a retarded ending part. =/
Nov 22, 2008 4:58 PM

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This episode helped make the character's role more apparent and gives a better idea on the plot.

Chucky said:
Except that Takumi can do this without a sword. (why does he need to look for a sword when he can do this anyway?).


Most likely Taku can't really have control ovr when his delusions become reality, plus Di-Swords are prob acting like amplifiers for the power.
Nov 22, 2008 7:58 PM

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yeah..explain everything..next eps gonna be exciting..


Nov 22, 2008 9:28 PM

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As to the explanations, I get the impression that NOZOMI only thinks they know what they're doing. Otherwise it would kinda suck knowing the main plot already.
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Nov 22, 2008 9:43 PM

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JadeMatrix said:
As to the explanations, I get the impression that NOZOMI only thinks they know what they're doing. Otherwise it would kinda suck knowing the main plot already.


It makes you think who are the real guys controlling N.O.Z.O.M.I.

I wonder if those guys are religious fanatics?
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Nov 23, 2008 1:57 AM

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slayer545 said:

It makes you think who are the real guys controlling N.O.Z.O.M.I.

I wonder if those guys are religious fanatics?

Nice speculation there,
Nov 23, 2008 3:31 AM

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show sped up pretty fast lol

makes perfect nonsense to me on how things work XD

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Nov 23, 2008 6:42 AM

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rarri said:
slayer545 said:

It makes you think who are the real guys controlling N.O.Z.O.M.I.

I wonder if those guys are religious fanatics?

Nice speculation there,


Cool! Cannot wait. rarri! You explain when the time comes and about the religious fanatics. Anyway of tying with a actual cult now?

I know it's a anime but don't you all guys think it's weird that some stuff is taken from the real world and made into sci-fi?

MasterOot said:




Anyway of tying with a actual cult now?





I see so they must some crazy Church that was excommunicated. I get it. Thanks for the info.

Divine Light? Hahahah, more like fake.
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Anyway of tying with a actual cult now?





Nov 23, 2008 3:02 PM

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hahahaa what a mind job. the confusing part isnt the logistics of what the company is trying to do but the principle itself.

essentially it means that if everyone recognized that the sky isn't really blue, then it wouldn't be. this is not to confuse with individuals convincing themselves of something being different than what it actually is.

something has to be recognized in some form or another in order for it to exist. what these guys are trying to do is force things into existance by forcing people to recognize them.

it isnt really clear that things only come into existance simply because we recognize them. its saying that humans or rather intelligent life forms influence reality rather than the opposite.

the mental disorter which i cant spell where people see things that aren't there are fully convinced that what they are seeing is real. there really isn't a way to prove that what they are seeing isn't real. it just so happens that a large majority of us do not see what they see and thus they are mentally ill.

out of the 90% or so of our brain which we do not use, i cant really doubt that somewhere in there there is a switch or a mechanism that would allow people to see or do things that the majority cannot.
Nov 23, 2008 4:27 PM

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ahh now im not confused. im never playing the game too ;d
Nov 23, 2008 7:28 PM

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slayer545 said:
JadeMatrix said:
As to the explanations, I get the impression that NOZOMI only thinks they know what they're doing. Otherwise it would kinda suck knowing the main plot already.


It makes you think who are the real guys controlling N.O.Z.O.M.I.

I wonder if those guys are religious fanatics?
I didn't read any of the spoilers, but I think I should still clarify myself. I meant that I think NOZOMI's in over their heads, trying to emulate unexplained metaphysical phenomenon with purely physical means.
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Nov 23, 2008 7:41 PM

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It's going nice, tough I hate how the sword look really.

The concept of someone controlling everyone making delusion reality and vice versa then the people use error and paradox of his invention to fight him was really nice but now it look less impressive than in the first ep.

Anyway this anime is better than most of those who started this fall.

this ep got a 4/5 from me.
Nov 23, 2008 9:21 PM

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its like quantum theory in short lol .... just look it up, it basically says all that
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slayer545 said:

Some stuff I got from someone FOR YOU TO HELP!

"Gigalomaniacs... What are they?"
"I told you before. People who can see the swords."
"No, in greater detail, like, the the principle of how it works..."
"Those who possess the ability to interact with the Dirac's sea. That's what Gigalomaniacs are."
"A, an, unobservable interface... filled with negative energy... or something, was it?"
"To put it broadly, yes. And Di-Swords are the terminals that permit interference in it. Think of them as the tip of the pipe stuck in the Dirac's sea. Since they are connected with the Dirac's sea, Di-Swords, too, are composed of negative matter. They're an existence that infinitely collapses in on itself. Which is why ordinary people can neither touch nor see them, and they're something like a delusion. These Di-Swords serve the function of a shortcut to every possible form of real-booting. When you enlarge the channel between your Di-Sword and Dirac's sea, according to Dirac's equation theory, pair production occurs, leading to the formation of particles and antiparticles. Those particles are the delusions given rise to by Gigalomaniac, and to the rest of the world, they are errors. To make those errors part of reality, all you need to do is to send the created particles into someone's dead spots. The particles are instantly converted into electrical signals, and through the shared recognition of nearby humans - they becoming reality. When you want to erase them, on the other hand, you need to send antiparticles into the dead spots where you sent the original particles, thereby leading to mutual annihilation."

"When your biorhythms rise, leading to the excessive secretion of dopamine in the neurons of your midbrain limbic system, your Di-Sword will appear. Depending on the person, it could be when they're in a hazardous situation, or when they're agitated, or sad, or filled with hate, or laughing. The higher the amount of dopamine produced, the easier it becomes to observe."


"Why did you do it?"
"I've talked about it over and over. To other detectives."
"To block the resurrection of the evil king Glajioul, right?"
"I hadn't planned on dying. I only meant to carry my soul to a higher stage."
"Didn't you say something similar in your song, the one that's such a hot topic among all the young people out there?"
"That poem isn't about New-Gen. I was inspired by chapter 3, verse 102 of the Glajioul Saga. The evil king Glajioul is attempting to materialize in the world. Seven stakes, created from the black blood shed by Glajioul, are needed to block his resurrection. The stakes transform into swords and arrive in the hands of the seven black knights who have overcome celestial punishment. An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth. Only humans burdened by evil hearts can destroy the evil king Glajioul."
"It, it kinda sounds like a movie. I love that sort of epic setting!"
"It's not a 'setting'. It's reality."

Oh ho, it seems that you forgot to repost something... The "Do not repost" part. Mmm?

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What do you mean by repost? I though this info would help?
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I'm quite surprised with all the neural scientific perspective this series is taking on. Totally did not expect all the particle theories and whatnot. But yeah, err, boring episode really. Too much talking and little doing and not enough Rimi!
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some answers... new questions ... =/
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more importantly, QUALITY.

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Ahhhh...I love Chaos;HEAd! It's so confusing yet interesting~
Kozue is so moe! Her voice ftw! ^^

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I am thinking about writing up a detailed explanation for the entire story after the last episode (does anyone else think this is a good idea?)

It's a GOOD idea! I would love to read it once Chaos;HEAd is over. :D
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more importantly, QUALITY.

Madhouse has gone mad with their animation.
They rush the anime and the character's quality are horrible at times. >__<"
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Shouldn't they be called D-Swords? Di makes no sense. And why did they have to explain the whole realization process again?

Anyway, still better than the previous episodes but it doesn't mean much.

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Madhouse has gone mad with their animation.
They rush the anime and the character's quality are horrible at times. >__<"
That's an extra, so while they have had some odd moments with animation quality, giving an extra that much detail should be a good thing.
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Shouldn't they be called D-Swords? Di makes no sense. And why did they have to explain the whole realization process again?

Anyway, still better than the previous episodes but it doesn't mean much.

Cyruz I think it is Di cause D means Delusional and I could be implied or implication meaning the sword uses the element of delusion as a means of existence. I will do some more research should my time be available.
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Shouldn't they be called D-Swords? Di makes no sense. And why did they have to explain the whole realization process again?

Anyway, still better than the previous episodes but it doesn't mean much.

Cyruz I think it is Di cause D means Delusional and I could be implied or implication meaning the sword uses the element of delusion as a means of existence. I will do some more research should my time be available.


Well, duh. I know that. But where's the I from Di-Sword in delusional? Is Di-Sword a term used by the subbers, or is it official? 'Sword' is already said in English, there's no need to write Di if D (in English) would be enough.

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cyruz said:
Shouldn't they be called D-Swords? Di makes no sense. And why did they have to explain the whole realization process again?

Anyway, still better than the previous episodes but it doesn't mean much.

Cyruz I think it is Di cause D means Delusional and I could be implied or implication meaning the sword uses the element of delusion as a means of existence. I will do some more research should my time be available.


Well, duh. I know that. But where's the I from Di-Sword in delusional? Is Di-Sword a term used by the subbers, or is it official? 'Sword' is already said in English, there's no need to write Di if D (in English) would be enough.


I think it is more official to the game but I might be the ional part. D=Delus I=ional hence Di.


Found this for you Cyruz but not sure it is what you are looking for:

http://www.combat-archaeology.org/Molloy.pdf


BTW very annoying to look for this on the internet. There is nothing but crap on this stuff. Hard to find but this might be something interesting.
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Wow, this episode was a giant info dump, but still it made the plot improve greatly. Need more Rimi though...

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They should have just made 24 or 26 episodes out of Chaos;Head instead of rushing it like this.
So far they have left good parts
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*head Explodes* O_o
Go Watch Sumomo momo Its epic. It has not gotten much attention... Episode 1
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I wonder what is Rimi role in this anime. She clearly knows something is up I just hope she won't backstab Takumi even if he is a weirdo.
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I loved that episode, too. A little bit fast with long explanations at times, but I think I got everything and it was necessary. Real-boot is a cool word. I like it. xD *goesreal-bootingsomeicecream*

Kozu-pi is awesome fun! :)

Next episode seems to be very interesting.
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Great Episode. It cleared up alot.
Dirac sea? We already had this in NGE
Kozue is nice. <3
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Kozu-pii~ is awesome. What the hell with her sword btw? The thing is almost as big as she is XD


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Didn't really care for the episode. This show needs to start to get to an overarching story with action and consequences rather than exposition and set up.


Same for me. Quite decent explanation, but somehow its not as exciting as it should be. Well, maybe the next episode will be the "kick off" for the show. ;)
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@_@ that was some explanation! together with toaru, these shows really make your brain sizzle. i kinda quite get what is happening already but, damn some of the explanations just make me say "WHAT?!"

in any case, i agree with everyone(well almost i guess) that kozu-pii is AWESOME. not to mention she's loli. <3 with zettai ryouiki! and twin tails(more like nine tails @_@)

i am still interested as to who called the glasses girl(crap forgot her name) and where rimi is..hope they clear it up next ep
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This episode was a mess imo

I feel like pretending the anime doesn't exist.

The game is just so much better
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i am glad my brain can hold tons of information for a little while. at least i was able to understand most of what they just threw at us..... (it was kinda hard to get the whole image transmitted to your head can be turned back and transmit your head illusions into reality.... plus adding the whole matter of other people being able to see your delusion, and thus making it reality thing)
i am wondering what makes gigalomaniatics umm.... gigalomaniatics lol.
there was significant lack of nanami
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i seriously lol'd hard
so... takumi was able to create a flowerbed with his imagination.... does that mean that ayase has fallen for him?
NOZOMI is weird.... and i actually know someone with that name xD
Sena is awesome. period
lol @ kozu-pii talking through telepathy, i swear she can actually talk normally....
i actually wanted to see takumi reveal his di-sword.
"what are your three sizes" had me with a smile.... kozu-pii is so cute
lol.... pink... excavator.... XD
the real di swords were pretty cool.
well, at least the plot is progressing, and i have got no complains (i have not played the VN).
so far, i've got no complains. rather, i am loving kozu-pii, nanami, and sena
the picture in the end was cute xD

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Finally making sense. But what does the NOZOMI group want to accomplish?
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So has Takumi finally found his di-sword =O? Lots of talking going on in this episode xD, but seriously Gigalomaniax what a mouthful xD, can't wait to see the actual full form of Takumi's di-sword if that is what it really is xD
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bad episode

"blah blah blah DI SORUDO BLAH BLAH BLAH RANDOM TERMS BLAH BLAH IM PULLING THIS OUT OF MY ASS etc etc etc"
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