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Breaks previously established rules. Not narrative satisfying. Betrays its core themes. Every character acts like they recently survived a lobotomy.
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everyone gets a lobotomy hahaha. that actually explains everything
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this person also gets it
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"Keep validating my opinion, please!"
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Jul 4, 1:55 PM
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the best way to end an anime.
Jul 4, 4:13 PM
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i even don't know what to say, greatest anime off al time
Jul 12, 10:22 AM
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it is perfect as it is.\
Jul 31, 9:56 AM
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great anime, enjoyed it a lot.
Aug 22, 12:45 PM
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Sep 10, 1:55 PM
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I'm a little late to the party, but, I've watched over 200 anime, and none of them have really made me cry, but this one episode made me full on sob THREE separate times. Although the ending wasn't ideal, it was done incredibly. And -obviously- the directors were successful in making this extremely emotional.
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g fucking g mannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
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When the manga ended, I couldn't believe the finale, not because Eren turned villain, but because of the Paths and demigod nonsense. I was so deep in denial that I even joked on MAL forum that Isayama wrote the ending at gunpoint from jealous rivals. It took me years to watch the final season, knowing what awaited, but I finally pushed through, and now I'm out of denial.

Attack on Titan ends like a bad joke with serious music. Eren turns into an all-knowing demigod because Paths said so, sure, why not. Ymir loves her abuser, the crew does group therapy while the world gets crushed. And Mikasa's grand moment? A scarf and a sulk while the world burns by her beloved. Armin's big brain moment? Punching Eren over Mikasa's crush, not over genocide. The so-called genius gives us nothing but sad eyes and speeches slower than titans. Then, sitting in blood, he thanks Eren for wiping out 80% of humanity. And let's not forget Eren killing his own mom because "no choice"... peak 4D chess.

In Short: Eren kills 80% to "equalize", runs a memory-eraser plot device with Google Calendar, Mikasa's scarf-love frees Ymir, his friends cry and thank him with "you sure are something", and then a glowing bug dies, so titans just vanish... peak fanfic logic.

And Isayama really said "freedom" 300 times and still wrote the most chained-up ending possible. He wrote plot like Shakespeare until the finale, then switched to fanfiction.net drafts. Turned a war epic into a therapy session with extra steps and no sense. He really built a universe, gave it lore, rules, logic... then tossed it all in the Paths dimension and said "figure it out". Attack on Titan could've been legendary, but Isayama got lost in the Paths and never came back. In the end, the only thing Isayama freed was my will to never touch this finale mess again.

I get the idea that AoT deserved a messy ending, the world inside the story is chaotic, full of hate, and there was never going to be a neat happy ever after. That part I completely agree with. A villain arc where Eren destroys the world and gets stopped by his friends would already be messy and tragic enough.

The issue is how it was executed. Instead of showing the mess through war, betrayal, and choices, we got Paths as a third-dimension plot device, demigod Eren pulling strings across time, and long therapy-style speeches while bodies piled up. That does not feel messy in a realistic sense, it feels messy because the writing bent logic and character arcs to force symbolism.

Eren as demigod, controlling past and future events, deciding who dies (including his own mom), and knowing everything yet pretending not to, that is more than just full power. That turns earlier arcs into contradictions. If it was all part of the plan, then his grief, rage, and growth look like either an act or a memory eraser gimmick. That cheapens the entire struggle.

This is where Paths, memories, and the "already planned" explanation really hurt the story. By making everything pre-decided, it erases the sense of struggle that carried the earlier arcs. Eren's anger at his mother's death, the discoveries, the fights for survival, even the idea of choosing between different futures, all of it feels meaningless if he was simply acting out a plan he already saw. What started as a story about human will and choices was overwritten by a memory-loop device that nullifies the emotional weight of everything before it.

Ymir cannot resurrect or step into the world, she only works through Paths on living Eldians. That is why she did not come back in Fritz's time and why Eren could trigger the Walls but not summon dead titans as backup. The story frames her as bound, then says she chooses to enable Eren so Mikasa's choice can free her. The problem is consistency. If Ymir really had that much discretion, centuries of silence make no sense. If she had none, helping the Rumbling makes no sense. Same with Eren's foreknowledge, either it is full determinism that cheapens all his earlier struggle, or it is limited agency that needed clear rules the story never gave. That gap is why the finale feels like symbolism bending the mechanics, instead of the mechanics carrying the symbolism.

And Ymir being freed through Mikasa's love might have been meant as symbolic, but it feels like the wrong keystone to end a war epic. That is why it comes across as misplaced melodrama rather than the tragic but grounded ending the series had built toward.

So yes, a complicated ending was fine. What broke it was replacing grounded tragedy with Paths, demigod nonsense, and heavy-handed philosophy, instead of letting the villain arc stand on its own.
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Rest in Peace, Ymir
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I haven't felt this way since the end of Evangelion.

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Nov 14, 1:16 PM
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This final episode truly brings everything to such a satisfying close, which is quite a remarkable feat considering how expanded and humongous everything has become. I can totally understand people not liking this episode, but if you've been invested this whole time, there's no way you find this ending horrible. It's great! I'm glad to see AoT come to an ending that works for it.
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I cried so fucking much
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Han-yuu said:
When the manga ended, I couldn't believe the finale, not because Eren turned villain, but because of the Paths and demigod nonsense. I was so deep in denial that I even joked on MAL forum that Isayama wrote the ending at gunpoint from jealous rivals. It took me years to watch the final season, knowing what awaited, but I finally pushed through, and now I'm out of denial.

Attack on Titan ends like a bad joke with serious music. Eren turns into an all-knowing demigod because Paths said so, sure, why not. Ymir loves her abuser, the crew does group therapy while the world gets crushed. And Mikasa's grand moment? A scarf and a sulk while the world burns by her beloved. Armin's big brain moment? Punching Eren over Mikasa's crush, not over genocide. The so-called genius gives us nothing but sad eyes and speeches slower than titans. Then, sitting in blood, he thanks Eren for wiping out 80% of humanity. And let's not forget Eren killing his own mom because "no choice"... peak 4D chess.

In Short: Eren kills 80% to "equalize", runs a memory-eraser plot device with Google Calendar, Mikasa's scarf-love frees Ymir, his friends cry and thank him with "you sure are something", and then a glowing bug dies, so titans just vanish... peak fanfic logic.

And Isayama really said "freedom" 300 times and still wrote the most chained-up ending possible. He wrote plot like Shakespeare until the finale, then switched to fanfiction.net drafts. Turned a war epic into a therapy session with extra steps and no sense. He really built a universe, gave it lore, rules, logic... then tossed it all in the Paths dimension and said "figure it out". Attack on Titan could've been legendary, but Isayama got lost in the Paths and never came back. In the end, the only thing Isayama freed was my will to never touch this finale mess again.

I get the idea that AoT deserved a messy ending, the world inside the story is chaotic, full of hate, and there was never going to be a neat happy ever after. That part I completely agree with. A villain arc where Eren destroys the world and gets stopped by his friends would already be messy and tragic enough.

The issue is how it was executed. Instead of showing the mess through war, betrayal, and choices, we got Paths as a third-dimension plot device, demigod Eren pulling strings across time, and long therapy-style speeches while bodies piled up. That does not feel messy in a realistic sense, it feels messy because the writing bent logic and character arcs to force symbolism.

Eren as demigod, controlling past and future events, deciding who dies (including his own mom), and knowing everything yet pretending not to, that is more than just full power. That turns earlier arcs into contradictions. If it was all part of the plan, then his grief, rage, and growth look like either an act or a memory eraser gimmick. That cheapens the entire struggle.

This is where Paths, memories, and the "already planned" explanation really hurt the story. By making everything pre-decided, it erases the sense of struggle that carried the earlier arcs. Eren's anger at his mother's death, the discoveries, the fights for survival, even the idea of choosing between different futures, all of it feels meaningless if he was simply acting out a plan he already saw. What started as a story about human will and choices was overwritten by a memory-loop device that nullifies the emotional weight of everything before it.

Ymir cannot resurrect or step into the world, she only works through Paths on living Eldians. That is why she did not come back in Fritz's time and why Eren could trigger the Walls but not summon dead titans as backup. The story frames her as bound, then says she chooses to enable Eren so Mikasa's choice can free her. The problem is consistency. If Ymir really had that much discretion, centuries of silence make no sense. If she had none, helping the Rumbling makes no sense. Same with Eren's foreknowledge, either it is full determinism that cheapens all his earlier struggle, or it is limited agency that needed clear rules the story never gave. That gap is why the finale feels like symbolism bending the mechanics, instead of the mechanics carrying the symbolism.

And Ymir being freed through Mikasa's love might have been meant as symbolic, but it feels like the wrong keystone to end a war epic. That is why it comes across as misplaced melodrama rather than the tragic but grounded ending the series had built toward.

So yes, a complicated ending was fine. What broke it was replacing grounded tragedy with Paths, demigod nonsense, and heavy-handed philosophy, instead of letting the villain arc stand on its own.

Indeed. The whole metaphysics was really bad not just for the emotional core of the story, especially for eren, but also what made most of the dialogue drag and be confusing.

Though i disliked the story more than that (the simplistic righteous moralism of the avengers crew, credits showing that even the incomplete rumbling was not enough and etc), the metaphysics of it all and "eren planned all, even the past" retroactively weakened/worsened even the good that aot had before season 4. It is unfortunate bcs it had tons of potential, mainly because of how beautiful and cathartic Eren's character could have turned out even when unleashing the rumbling, because even from that standpoint the isayama gave all the justifications for eren to become who he did and also to enact the rumbling, the perfect case of drastic measure for a very drastic situation of survival packed with the rage of the losses and limitations that came from the constant oppresion of marley on paradis. Ofc isayama also had to sabotage not just how the rumbling worked and insert a marvel-like saga to weaken what would be a bold and strong story but also insert a whole metaphysical system to the titans (with eren and ymir as centerpiece) to make it complex... for what reason? idk. Didnt felt any sympathy for reiner and his crew neither.

Genuinely 10/10 potential for sure. Reminds me of how oyasumi punpun also had such a great potential but for other reasons. It worked for a lot of people so good for them and for isayama, it sure took a lot of effort to make it what it is, plus it had one of the best anime adaptations ever, so the story as it is indeed worked for most people, but sometimes it is unfortunate looking back at it
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It was ok. I hate how it was going up to the end and that ending...oh well. 6.5/10. Some powerful messages, but wow they dragged this franchise OUT! TIME to see the movie lol.
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