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May 14, 11:18 AM
#151
| Mở đầu tập 6 khi chúng ta đã thấy KAMoME biết mắt thật sự rất buồn,và tiếp tục tập 6 thì chúng ta cũng biết nhiều điều hơn kamome cũng nhưng hairi,cũng biết cảm xúc hairi cho kamime khi biến ước mơ của kamome thằng sự thật |
May 14, 11:46 AM
#152
| Route kamome end. Next route tsumugi wenders |
May 14, 12:21 PM
#153
| what was the last scene 'kamome hugging hairi'? did she woke up from her slumber after 10 years? as the letter meant 'i will sail the seven seas to meet you'. |
May 14, 1:01 PM
#154
Reply to Phoenix_Trite
@NoLongerAtsushi You missed the final scene. It's a happy ending because Kamome reunited with him at the very end.
| @Phoenix_Trite but in that imagined world not the real one where she died which was mentioned in this episode |
May 14, 1:02 PM
#155
Reply to NoLongerAtsushi
@Phoenix_Trite but in that imagined world not the real one where she died which was mentioned in this episode
| @NoLongerAtsushi No. In the last part of the episode she jumps into his arms (just like the visual novel). Hairi reads a letter from her and then they meet up again. This isn't the imaginary world. It's in real life. |
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May 15, 4:33 AM
#157
| WHAT THE F– I mean I've been expecting things like this since episode 1 coz Key, but yeah Kamome's story is bittersweet. The plot twist of Kamome's "past" just being a story in a book, and all this time I thought Hairi was Taka, he has memories of it because he read it before and was a member of the Nekohigedan too (the readers). Tho what happened in this summer is definitely real, the Kamome he went adventuring with is both the real one and the one in the book. Kamome's dream of recreating that adventure came true. I just feel like maybe 4 episodes for this arc wasn't enough? I feel like it could have been longer for a much better heart breaking impact. Even though it was a happy ending... a single illustration to represent that just felt a little bit empty. Really like Kamome, a shame if we're not gonna see her again (ghost girl casually appearing and disappearing sometimes would be nice). But also looking forward to the other girls' stories. ...Umi-chan??? What??? |
May 15, 4:47 AM
#158
| Ah the good ol' supernatural stuff happening lol. This episode got lots of lore explanation stuff as well it seems. Gahdam got that sweet sadge kiss scene moment too, feels a little early for that kind of stuff. This really had finale type vibes already lol. Getting me emotional with only a couple of episodes xD. Wondering how upcoming eps are gonna be like. |
May 15, 6:12 AM
#159
Sebalar said: I feel like that kiss was... forced? I mean, I never saw Kamome as someone who had feelings for Hairi. idk it was strange for me. It happened a lot of things in this episode. So what was she? It was a projection, a hallucination? pretty anticlimatic imo. This is my limit. I will drop this. I didn't like Kamome, and make a sad story just to sympathize with her... it's just the contrary effect, hate it when they do it. It's kinda sad tho, I really liked the firsts episodes and I thought it was going to be just like that, a chill, comedic SoL with some romance. Pretty much how I felt about her arc. Her story was uninteresting at best so when this episode tried to make it sad, emotional and piece almost everything together in an episode, it fell flat. I'll probably stick around cos other arcs should be more interesting than this. |
May 15, 12:19 PM
#160
| Ah, they pulled out a Fuuko for this route then... to be expected. It's Key after all. I wouldn't say I liked this first arc, but this last episode made my eyes a bit teary. I'll stick around. |
May 15, 1:04 PM
#161
| This episode throws a monkey wrench into all my expectations I had built up until now because of the introduction of supernatural elements. We now know that Kamome was never truly by his side, at least not in any normal way. Hairi ends up thinking it was all a hallucination or a dream. And he hallucinated right up to the last scene when he sees her again at the crow's nest. Kamome's mother mentions she went to Finland, suggesting she sought specialized medical care abroad, but her condition worsened, and first fell into a coma before passing away towards the end of the episode, so the story implies she passed away during this episode. Her mother reveals this towards the end of the episode when she mentions that Kamome went into an "eternal sleep" (she was probably euthanized). All the wishful thinking about her "finally" becoming a good leader also implicitly points at this tragic conclusion. The beginning of the episode felt a bit rushed and dreamy, without much rational explanation about what's going on, things just start happening one after another. My .02:
Watching this, I can only assume some supernatural elements were introduced in the narrative. Everyone seems to have had experienced Kamome. The purple-haired girl is also seen turning into blurbs of light, similar to Kamome at the pirate ship, which confirms the supernatural elements. So this tells me to expect more plot twists ahead. If Kamome was just a hallucination then how was Hairi able to find his way to the ship? It was Kamome who provided the clues to unlock the chest to get the map. An how would he know what she looked like after 10 years without seeing her? All these questions can only be answered if she was really there in some way, as in being subjectively real in Hairi's mind (a memory) or in a supernatural sense, but then ghosts cannot carry and leave behind a real suitcase, so it's an intentionally ambiguous narrative... This element completely reshaped the setting from a paradisiacal resort to a mysterious, supernatural island. This tragic narrative ending concludes Kamome's storyline, leaving us eager for a fresh new start, likely focusing on another girl, and let's hold onto hope for a happier ending. |
gebraffeMay 15, 1:18 PM
May 15, 3:48 PM
#162
Reply to gebraffe
This episode throws a monkey wrench into all my expectations I had built up until now because of the introduction of supernatural elements. We now know that Kamome was never truly by his side, at least not in any normal way. Hairi ends up thinking it was all a hallucination or a dream. And he hallucinated right up to the last scene when he sees her again at the crow's nest. Kamome's mother mentions she went to Finland, suggesting she sought specialized medical care abroad, but her condition worsened, and first fell into a coma before passing away towards the end of the episode, so the story implies she passed away during this episode. Her mother reveals this towards the end of the episode when she mentions that Kamome went into an "eternal sleep" (she was probably euthanized). All the wishful thinking about her "finally" becoming a good leader also implicitly points at this tragic conclusion.
The beginning of the episode felt a bit rushed and dreamy, without much rational explanation about what's going on, things just start happening one after another. My .02:
Watching this, I can only assume some supernatural elements were introduced in the narrative. Everyone seems to have had experienced Kamome. The purple-haired girl is also seen turning into blurbs of light, similar to Kamome at the pirate ship, which confirms the supernatural elements. So this tells me to expect more plot twists ahead.
If Kamome was just a hallucination then how was Hairi able to find his way to the ship? It was Kamome who provided the clues to unlock the chest to get the map. An how would he know what she looked like after 10 years without seeing her? All these questions can only be answered if she was really there in some way, as in being subjectively real in Hairi's mind (a memory) or in a supernatural sense, but then ghosts cannot carry and leave behind a real suitcase, so it's an intentionally ambiguous narrative... This element completely reshaped the setting from a paradisiacal resort to a mysterious, supernatural island.
This tragic narrative ending concludes Kamome's storyline, leaving us eager for a fresh new start, likely focusing on another girl, and let's hold onto hope for a happier ending.
The beginning of the episode felt a bit rushed and dreamy, without much rational explanation about what's going on, things just start happening one after another. My .02:
- Having Kamome disappear just after Hairi saved her at the cave sort of subverts the heroic narrative of the boy saving the girl and living together forever after.
- It was a logical choice for him to use the suitcase contents to try to know Kamome's backstory better.
- Hairi seems to accept Kamome's death instantly which seemed a little bit detached from reality.
Watching this, I can only assume some supernatural elements were introduced in the narrative. Everyone seems to have had experienced Kamome. The purple-haired girl is also seen turning into blurbs of light, similar to Kamome at the pirate ship, which confirms the supernatural elements. So this tells me to expect more plot twists ahead.
If Kamome was just a hallucination then how was Hairi able to find his way to the ship? It was Kamome who provided the clues to unlock the chest to get the map. An how would he know what she looked like after 10 years without seeing her? All these questions can only be answered if she was really there in some way, as in being subjectively real in Hairi's mind (a memory) or in a supernatural sense, but then ghosts cannot carry and leave behind a real suitcase, so it's an intentionally ambiguous narrative... This element completely reshaped the setting from a paradisiacal resort to a mysterious, supernatural island.
This tragic narrative ending concludes Kamome's storyline, leaving us eager for a fresh new start, likely focusing on another girl, and let's hold onto hope for a happier ending.
| @gebraffe It seems you missed the final scene where they reunite. Kamome jumps into Hairi's arms at the end because she has returned to the island healthy. |
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May 15, 4:58 PM
#163
| when y'all told me there was an explanation for the holes in kamome's story, i never dreamed it was clannad-style coma astral projection bullshit again. I can only say... WTF? I hope these butterflies have a better explanation than that robot thing. It better not be a summer convention of dead people or something. |
May 15, 10:39 PM
#164
| decent arc, but for a Key project it was weak in levels of sadness it was like a 2/10, I'm expecting this show to make me cry please |
May 16, 2:59 AM
#165
| @Zarutaku 10/10 episode. Emotional rollercoaster. Loved it to bits. |
| “𝖨𝖿 𝗅𝗂𝖿𝖾 𝗐𝖾𝗋𝖾 𝗉𝗋𝖾𝖽𝗂𝖼𝗍𝖺𝖻𝗅𝖾, 𝗂𝗍 𝗐𝗈𝗎𝗅𝖽 𝖼𝖾𝖺𝗌𝖾 𝗍𝗈 𝖻𝖾 𝗅𝗂𝖿𝖾 𝖺𝗇𝖽 𝖻𝖾 𝗐𝗂𝗍𝗁𝗈𝗎𝗍 𝖿𝗅𝖺𝗏𝗈𝗋.” – 𝖤𝗅𝖾𝖺𝗇𝗈𝗋 𝖱𝗈𝗈𝗌𝖾𝗏𝖾𝗅𝗍 |
May 16, 4:02 AM
#166
| Why did they have to rush it so much? That beginning of the episode was a big plottwist and putting it at the start of this episode instead of the end of the previous one made no sense This is the problem I always have with Visual Novel adaptations. The story goes well it's enjoyable, until they hit you with that one episode where the whole story goes to shambles and they cram a big part of the story into one episode. And after that weird things happen and nothing makes sense anymore |
May 16, 4:43 AM
#167
Reply to Wwwwat
Why did they have to rush it so much? That beginning of the episode was a big plottwist and putting it at the start of this episode instead of the end of the previous one made no sense
This is the problem I always have with Visual Novel adaptations. The story goes well it's enjoyable, until they hit you with that one episode where the whole story goes to shambles and they cram a big part of the story into one episode. And after that weird things happen and nothing makes sense anymore
This is the problem I always have with Visual Novel adaptations. The story goes well it's enjoyable, until they hit you with that one episode where the whole story goes to shambles and they cram a big part of the story into one episode. And after that weird things happen and nothing makes sense anymore
| @Wwwwat It's episode 6. Us VN players thought the adaption overall was done well. If you have questions, just ask, but a lot of the universe still has time to be explained lol. |
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May 16, 9:35 AM
#168
Reply to Phoenix_Trite
@gebraffe It seems you missed the final scene where they reunite. Kamome jumps into Hairi's arms at the end because she has returned to the island healthy.
| @Phoenix_Trite You think so? According to her mom Sagi, she died in Finland. That last scene might be a sweet way to remember her or wishful thinking or even Hairi's dream. I don't buy the idea that she survived because this scene wasn't dramatic and realistic at all. Her jumping on Hairi like a puppy doesn't look like her she never behaved like that before.... It would also feel like a cheap trick to make her come back like that without any real explanation... so yea I saw that scene too but I didn't take it literally, that scene hits different. |
May 16, 9:37 AM
#169
Reply to gebraffe
@Phoenix_Trite You think so? According to her mom Sagi, she died in Finland. That last scene might be a sweet way to remember her or wishful thinking or even Hairi's dream. I don't buy the idea that she survived because this scene wasn't dramatic and realistic at all. Her jumping on Hairi like a puppy doesn't look like her she never behaved like that before.... It would also feel like a cheap trick to make her come back like that without any real explanation...
so yea I saw that scene too but I didn't take it literally, that scene hits different.
so yea I saw that scene too but I didn't take it literally, that scene hits different.
| @gebraffe The universe gets explained the further into the visual novel material you go. I think it all makes sense later on. But if you have questions later on, feel free to let me know. The eternal sleep mentioned is a coma that she isn't supposed to wake up from. |
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May 16, 10:10 AM
#170
Reply to Phoenix_Trite
@gebraffe The universe gets explained the further into the visual novel material you go. I think it all makes sense later on. But if you have questions later on, feel free to let me know.
The eternal sleep mentioned is a coma that she isn't supposed to wake up from.
The eternal sleep mentioned is a coma that she isn't supposed to wake up from.
| @Phoenix_Trite Yes but I'm not currently playing the visual novel, I'm watching this adaptation. Not all questions need to be answered in fiction though, but if you say they are in the vn, then that's fine. What I explained before I think makes sense based on how far the story has developed in this adaptation. |
May 16, 10:11 AM
#171
Reply to gebraffe
@Phoenix_Trite Yes but I'm not currently playing the visual novel, I'm watching this adaptation. Not all questions need to be answered in fiction though, but if you say they are in the vn, then that's fine.
What I explained before I think makes sense based on how far the story has developed in this adaptation.
What I explained before I think makes sense based on how far the story has developed in this adaptation.
| @gebraffe Sorry, what I meant was like, that later on in the adaption I think some of your questions might be answered, and if you are still confused I'd be happy to discuss after the anime ends! |
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May 16, 10:17 AM
#172
Reply to Phoenix_Trite
@gebraffe Sorry, what I meant was like, that later on in the adaption I think some of your questions might be answered, and if you are still confused I'd be happy to discuss after the anime ends!
| @Phoenix_Trite that's cool yes I'm totally down for discussing once we've seen everything |
May 16, 9:39 PM
#174
Reply to ProfZex
@chenfeng
I should answer half of the messages on this thread individually, but you've asked the question that interests me the most, so let's go ahead. It will also be my way, if others come across this message, to develop my feelings about adaptation and its loss of symbolism.
So, I'm going to put some parts in spoilers so as not to bother those who would like to discover the VN, but I'm ONLY explaining and details elements of Kamome's route and the VN version of the episode to answer the first part of your post.
They weren't in contact with her, it was just a letter received and a letter returned, telling them all "Come back and experience Kamome's adventure in ten years," as seen when Hairi reads his letter. But yes, the crowd is supposed to represent fans of Kamome and her mother's work, but that's the biggest flaw of the episode for me.
In the visual novel, it's not a crowd that comes to see the boat, not at all. Hairi sends a ton of letters to the old readers of the book that he found through the letters that Kamome kept, to perpetuate her desire to recreate the adventure of the book in reality with his readers. But only very few come, I don't remember exactly how many but off the top of my head I would say 4 or 5 people.
The fact that they suddenly remember is precisely what the route is about. For Kamome, it was an essential memory of her life, this work, what she left to the world, a moment shared with other readers. For them, it marked their youth, but they have forgotten. Time has done its work. In 10 years, they've moved on, Kamome is in a coma, and her mother has stopped working on their real-life adventure project. Here, memories, their importance, is relative.
In the original version, they don't go straight to the boat, so we see them replay the whole adventure, including going back through the cave with the others. At first, they're not into it, but they get more and more into the adventure. There's a real sense of satisfaction in their discovery of the boat. They had forgotten the book all these years, but deep down, their spirit of adventure, that little spark of nostalgia, of childhood, and of what Kamome's book left in their hearts, is brought back to life. Just come back to see the boat? That makes no sense.
We lose everything that makes Summer Pockets: a connection to time, nostalgia, rediscovered memories, but also wasted time, lost time. I think they wanted to refocus on the romance with Kamome, but that's losing precisely that part that speaks to you and that actually makes the heart of the work and the beauty of Kamome as a person.
As for how it works with Kamome's spirit, I can't explain, however, the others routes will explain the supernatural more "concretely".
I should answer half of the messages on this thread individually, but you've asked the question that interests me the most, so let's go ahead. It will also be my way, if others come across this message, to develop my feelings about adaptation and its loss of symbolism.
So, I'm going to put some parts in spoilers so as not to bother those who would like to discover the VN, but I'm ONLY explaining and details elements of Kamome's route and the VN version of the episode to answer the first part of your post.
They weren't in contact with her, it was just a letter received and a letter returned, telling them all "Come back and experience Kamome's adventure in ten years," as seen when Hairi reads his letter. But yes, the crowd is supposed to represent fans of Kamome and her mother's work, but that's the biggest flaw of the episode for me.
In the visual novel, it's not a crowd that comes to see the boat, not at all. Hairi sends a ton of letters to the old readers of the book that he found through the letters that Kamome kept, to perpetuate her desire to recreate the adventure of the book in reality with his readers. But only very few come, I don't remember exactly how many but off the top of my head I would say 4 or 5 people.
The fact that they suddenly remember is precisely what the route is about. For Kamome, it was an essential memory of her life, this work, what she left to the world, a moment shared with other readers. For them, it marked their youth, but they have forgotten. Time has done its work. In 10 years, they've moved on, Kamome is in a coma, and her mother has stopped working on their real-life adventure project. Here, memories, their importance, is relative.
In the original version, they don't go straight to the boat, so we see them replay the whole adventure, including going back through the cave with the others. At first, they're not into it, but they get more and more into the adventure. There's a real sense of satisfaction in their discovery of the boat. They had forgotten the book all these years, but deep down, their spirit of adventure, that little spark of nostalgia, of childhood, and of what Kamome's book left in their hearts, is brought back to life. Just come back to see the boat? That makes no sense.
We lose everything that makes Summer Pockets: a connection to time, nostalgia, rediscovered memories, but also wasted time, lost time. I think they wanted to refocus on the romance with Kamome, but that's losing precisely that part that speaks to you and that actually makes the heart of the work and the beauty of Kamome as a person.
As for how it works with Kamome's spirit, I can't explain, however, the others routes will explain the supernatural more "concretely".
| @ProfZex thanks that explains things in more detail however i guess due to the nature of it being a LN in anime form there's only so much they could convey while keeping to production timelines. it make sense they would have to rewrite and alter the parts for smoother viewing. my only gripe was maybe perhaps everything felt a bit "too convenient" and maybe a bit of a stretch with the whole mass amnesia thing, as although possible, extremely improbable by real life standards. firstly although 10 years is a sizable chunk of time, people share varying degrees of memory recall especially in childhood. if these are noteworthy memories created with strong emotions and a foreign setting, they should stick around for a good 20-30 years before starting to fade at the very loose end. Secondly as i recall half of the group had either lived or had strong ties to the particular island. People only meet and remember so many people in their lives and much more so when it comes to more smaller and isolated communities. Realistically they aren't going to forget any of their childhood friends unless they have an abnormally bad memory or childhood. thirdly is that they did in fact share at least 1 or 2 correspondence. its very existence or memory of it is proof and is a guaranteed trigger of a bond with a person. but alas this is anime, ill let it slide. i guess like you and @Marioak_z stated earlier that more of the supernatural elements will be explained in more depth later in different routes |
May 17, 8:10 AM
#175
| What was that all about? I'm so confused. I feel like there should have been a lot more explanation or developpment before it all unravels. Felt like it was super rushed to the point that I bursted out laughing by the end of the episode because of how ridiculous it was delivered. |
May 17, 12:38 PM
#177
| Not sure why everyone is convinced this game was written by Jun Maeda. it wasn't, he's only credited for the "original concept" and some lyrics. Kamome's route in particular was written by Niijima Yuu, famous for writing Hatsuyuki Sakura (available on Steam) and Natsuyume Nagisa. He's also the main writer for Shiroha's route and the final one, aka the best of the game. |
May 19, 10:24 PM
#178
Reply to komic
so....... this is just Angel Beats without the fighting?
| @komic i had the same thought hahahaha nonetheless after the contrived last couple of episodes, the resolution here really punched me in the chest. lovely episode. got me a little misty eyed a couple of times. |
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May 20, 11:36 PM
#179
| Just what I expected, an awful turn of events. If I haven't played the VN, I won't be able to digest any single thing from what happened this ep. Well, to be fair, that's what the real purpose of Kamome's route is. The struggle of identifying reality from a dream. It may really be confusing even in the OG but it was laid out everything, every bit of explanation and dialogue, so it was so smooth. Even the last scene of her route, they made it at the reader's liberty to choose whether to think if it was a reality or still a dream. I was really in awe after playing Kamome route. While this adaptation just tried to put in everything in just 1 ep. Butchering the essence, purpose and emotional connection that Kamome's scenario gives to the consumers. If only they made it at least 5 eps, or even 4 and a half, ig that would suffice to tell her beautiful story. What I haven't expected is this adaption really made me riled up despite my lack of emotion after completion of Kamome scenario in the source (coz she's my least favorite among the 4). Anw, I will give them a chance. I do really hope that they won't do this kind of pacing with the remaining heroines since their scenarios bear more weight on the emotional aspect (tho imo, Kamome's scenario bears more emotional intensity than Shiroha's scenario) I started wondering how Kamome's "shichieichou" went to Torishirojima if she's in Finland after completion of Ao's scenario (since I played her scenario last and learned much more info about the island's mystery). Because technically, Kamome's case/story existed due to her memories present in the island. So if she's been overseas for the past 2 years, how did her shichiechou travelled all the way to Japan??? |
Aluminum_May 20, 11:39 PM
May 21, 12:23 AM
#180
Reply to Aluminum_
Just what I expected, an awful turn of events. If I haven't played the VN, I won't be able to digest any single thing from what happened this ep. Well, to be fair, that's what the real purpose of Kamome's route is. The struggle of identifying reality from a dream. It may really be confusing even in the OG but it was laid out everything, every bit of explanation and dialogue, so it was so smooth. Even the last scene of her route, they made it at the reader's liberty to choose whether to think if it was a reality or still a dream. I was really in awe after playing Kamome route.
While this adaptation just tried to put in everything in just 1 ep. Butchering the essence, purpose and emotional connection that Kamome's scenario gives to the consumers. If only they made it at least 5 eps, or even 4 and a half, ig that would suffice to tell her beautiful story. What I haven't expected is this adaption really made me riled up despite my lack of emotion after completion of Kamome scenario in the source (coz she's my least favorite among the 4).
Anw, I will give them a chance. I do really hope that they won't do this kind of pacing with the remaining heroines since their scenarios bear more weight on the emotional aspect (tho imo, Kamome's scenario bears more emotional intensity than Shiroha's scenario)
I started wondering how Kamome's "shichieichou" went to Torishirojima if she's in Finland after completion of Ao's scenario (since I played her scenario last and learned much more info about the island's mystery). Because technically, Kamome's case/story existed due to her memories present in the island. So if she's been overseas for the past 2 years, how did her shichiechou travelled all the way to Japan???
While this adaptation just tried to put in everything in just 1 ep. Butchering the essence, purpose and emotional connection that Kamome's scenario gives to the consumers. If only they made it at least 5 eps, or even 4 and a half, ig that would suffice to tell her beautiful story. What I haven't expected is this adaption really made me riled up despite my lack of emotion after completion of Kamome scenario in the source (coz she's my least favorite among the 4).
Anw, I will give them a chance. I do really hope that they won't do this kind of pacing with the remaining heroines since their scenarios bear more weight on the emotional aspect (tho imo, Kamome's scenario bears more emotional intensity than Shiroha's scenario)
I started wondering how Kamome's "shichieichou" went to Torishirojima if she's in Finland after completion of Ao's scenario (since I played her scenario last and learned much more info about the island's mystery). Because technically, Kamome's case/story existed due to her memories present in the island. So if she's been overseas for the past 2 years, how did her shichiechou travelled all the way to Japan???
| @Aluminum_ It's indeed a bit rushed, but at least I could hope they actually did the final part of the story justice. Since there should plenty of episodes left going by 4 ep per heroine pace. About Shichieichou Torishima is a place where memories returned to or we could say all the wandering butterfly will come to this place. The butterfly represent life (going by this game theme, it's memories of the soul), it's include half-dead people (Like if you're in coma, you likely got your own butterfly somewhere too in-universe). Going by Ao's route, some people can't woke up from coma because their butterfly got lost somewhere. Why it's must be in Japan? who know? probably the same reason while Kaiju always choose to attack Japan lol Joke aside, some other series like Utawarerumono did something similiar, when people died, their "soul butterfly" all went into Kotuahamul (The afterlife world) which is an entire another dimension itself, the concept is similiar to how Summer Pockets work. |
May 21, 3:41 AM
#181
Reply to Marioak_z
@Aluminum_
It's indeed a bit rushed, but at least I could hope they actually did the final part of the story justice. Since there should plenty of episodes left going by 4 ep per heroine pace.
About Shichieichou
Torishima is a place where memories returned to or we could say all the wandering butterfly will come to this place.
The butterfly represent life (going by this game theme, it's memories of the soul), it's include half-dead people (Like if you're in coma, you likely got your own butterfly somewhere too in-universe). Going by Ao's route, some people can't woke up from coma because their butterfly got lost somewhere.
Why it's must be in Japan? who know? probably the same reason while Kaiju always choose to attack Japan lol
Joke aside, some other series like Utawarerumono did something similiar, when people died, their "soul butterfly" all went into Kotuahamul (The afterlife world) which is an entire another dimension itself, the concept is similiar to how Summer Pockets work.
It's indeed a bit rushed, but at least I could hope they actually did the final part of the story justice. Since there should plenty of episodes left going by 4 ep per heroine pace.
About Shichieichou
Torishima is a place where memories returned to or we could say all the wandering butterfly will come to this place.
The butterfly represent life (going by this game theme, it's memories of the soul), it's include half-dead people (Like if you're in coma, you likely got your own butterfly somewhere too in-universe). Going by Ao's route, some people can't woke up from coma because their butterfly got lost somewhere.
Why it's must be in Japan? who know? probably the same reason while Kaiju always choose to attack Japan lol
Joke aside, some other series like Utawarerumono did something similiar, when people died, their "soul butterfly" all went into Kotuahamul (The afterlife world) which is an entire another dimension itself, the concept is similiar to how Summer Pockets work.
| @Marioak_z nice input there. So basically, Torishirojima is like the default resting place for wandering souls no matter where the host is located. Appreciated your info! Now, I feel even more pain for my girl, Ao (knowing that she searched her twin's memories. Touching shiechiechous that came all across the globe that I thought from the island's past and present inhabitants only lmao) |
Aluminum_May 21, 6:58 AM
May 21, 12:18 PM
#182
| I knew the moment I saw Keys flash in the intro I 120% knew I would be feeling the expresso depresso...but man...no matter how prepared I was this hit the feels hard :{ I'm glad that Hairi and Kamome were able to find this ship after their adventure...but it didn't have to abruptly end with her disappearing and then (in classic Keys style) find out it is all in le head of Hairi, whilst the real Kamome is in FINLAND?, bedridden in a coma I presume. However, it was great to see Hairi unravel the mystery and gather all those people for Kamome allowing her to accomplish her dream of ten years prior :} It was a bittersweet ending with Hairi and Kamome, and knowing Keys and with Umi's ending I'm sure a reset or something is inbound (and the other comments on this forum would agree) for the other girls/arcs of this VN. So onto the next adventure, but Kamome will be the best pirate-adventure girl :} |
May 23, 1:04 AM
#183
| Ngl this kinda feel like little buster with hint of angel beats(by key). With a whole stuff dream stuff reveal in season 2 and fulfilling your final wishes or dream or over drama to move on in angel beats. My prediction (as someone that has watch all of Jun maeda work.) is that Umi most likely a god who is possessed (who probably govern time or something) and everytime a girl problem/dream/goal is fulfilled or fixed she will reset time again:never ending summer (or a new timeline where that certain girl meet the mc). Until all the route have been done. Once final route completed the mc most likely going to be the last route going win (Shiroha) as she front cover which always the main route. |
May 26, 11:57 AM
#185
Jun 7, 5:26 AM
#186
| I paused the video for a moment! Honestly, I hate scenes where a character disappears and then it turns out they were from the future or the past, or they’re a memory or an illusion or something! I just don’t like that kind of storytelling — it’s not for me. That was a bold message from Kamome, hahaha — “I love Taka-kun and I want to marry him!” Now I’ve finished the episode. Honestly, the episodes from 2 to 6 have been emotional. But I really don’t like this type of story — where the character is sick or dead and comes and goes mysteriously. Maybe I could accept it more if things were clearer — like if it was made obvious that her appearance is “real.” But now… is Kamome even real? Did she actually come and see him? Or is she in Finland and either dead or in a coma? And then why did Umi disappear too? Is it because I praised her in episode 1 or what? This writer is targeting my heart directly. Anyway, episodes 2 to 6 were excellent and definitely worth watching. I wish they had been turned into a movie — that would’ve been better. The kiss scene and the love between Kamome and Takahara — I hope it continues! And that he doesn’t fall for someone else just because she’s “dead” or “in a coma” or whatever. Aside from all that, this frame was the best: |
Jun 16, 7:37 AM
#187
| The pirate ship revealing not just a dream, but of Kamome losing herself with the suitcase...what's truly going on? Thankfully, with night vision goggles, they're able to find Kamome's suitcase, though the stream of water is different from where he drowned from. Researching her suitcase further, and the mystery deepens as Hairi is brought to another lsland to see her mother of Kashima Sagi, revealing her backstory even more, and the suitcase, which belonged to her father, and the book as the Adventures of the Higenekos, written by her mother. Even the ship was bought as a way to satiate her feelings, which her mother was trying to help her to make friends. But given the state of the family's poor health, moreover with the signifiance of the butterflies, Hairi doubted that she could ever return alive ever again. Given how everything was worded from creation, Kamome finally becoming the protagonist of her own story, and with quite the sad farewell sealed with a kiss, her story is done. For a girl who lived her life as if everyday was sometihng special, Kamome's mother meeting Hairi was quite the blessing in disguise, as he attempts to revitalize the ship and turn it into the Higeneko adventure for generations to remember. It's no dream, but a reality. The 1st of 4 heroines conquered, and Kamome's story sets the standard for others to follow. May Hairi and Kamome meet again some time. |
Jun 16, 11:39 AM
#188
| same thing with purple hair now . seen enough then , adios pockets |
Jun 19, 11:22 AM
#189
Jun 25, 9:31 PM
#190
| OK we knew something was up with Kamome so that wasn't shocking, but the little girl?? WHAT? She was a spirit, too? What about the woman in the house? |
Jul 16, 9:14 AM
#191
| Ah i knew it, it's not key if it doesn't have supernatural elements |
Jul 25, 7:34 AM
#192
Reply to SkyLETV
So it was all a supernatural adventure mixing fiction with reality? And Kamome was a ghost... kinda. You know, at the end of the episode where they introduced her, I was left with the impression that she might be a ghost or something but then multiple people could see her so how exactly does this island work? Like, even Umi just disappeared at the end wtf.
Well, at least Kamome is alive. That last visual with Kamome jumping into Hairi's arms was great, I loved it. But I wonder, did she really come back and is fine now? Just like that? Was there a timeskip? I guess this is the end of her arc and that's all the answers we're going to get about it.
Anyway, with what Umi said at the end (and her disappearing of course), I guess a reset is coming? Seeing how Kamome's arc ended it seems like the series is going to follow that path with the different heroines.
Farewell, best girl! It's going to be hard for anyone to top you but I'm really interested in the other girls and looking forward to finding out what's going on with the island and Hairi.
Well, at least Kamome is alive. That last visual with Kamome jumping into Hairi's arms was great, I loved it. But I wonder, did she really come back and is fine now? Just like that? Was there a timeskip? I guess this is the end of her arc and that's all the answers we're going to get about it.
Anyway, with what Umi said at the end (and her disappearing of course), I guess a reset is coming? Seeing how Kamome's arc ended it seems like the series is going to follow that path with the different heroines.
Farewell, best girl! It's going to be hard for anyone to top you but I'm really interested in the other girls and looking forward to finding out what's going on with the island and Hairi.
| @SkyLETV I'm wondering the same thing. the letter he was reading and Kamome coming and hugging him in the end.. |
Jul 25, 7:51 AM
#194
Reply to Phoenix_Trite
@MegamiRem
My understanding from the VN is that the last scene of her jumping into her arms is them reuniting in real life. The letter at the end was after she had awoken, and then they meet up.It is cut very similarly in the original VN
The Summer adventure from when they were little was just from the book. Hairi only has deja vu because he read the story as a kid, which is why everything felt so familiar. If you watch through the letters he is reading, one is actually from Hairi as a kid who wanted to be friends with Kamome and be a part of the crew since he was a fan of the book.
I hope that answers some of the questions you have.
My understanding from the VN is that the last scene of her jumping into her arms is them reuniting in real life. The letter at the end was after she had awoken, and then they meet up.It is cut very similarly in the original VN
The Summer adventure from when they were little was just from the book. Hairi only has deja vu because he read the story as a kid, which is why everything felt so familiar. If you watch through the letters he is reading, one is actually from Hairi as a kid who wanted to be friends with Kamome and be a part of the crew since he was a fan of the book.
I hope that answers some of the questions you have.
| @Phoenix_Trite there was a letter addressed to Hairi from Kamome in which she said she loves him and wants to marry him. can you please explain? |
Jul 25, 7:51 AM
#195
Reply to Phoenix_Trite
@MegamiRem
My understanding from the VN is that the last scene of her jumping into her arms is them reuniting in real life. The letter at the end was after she had awoken, and then they meet up.It is cut very similarly in the original VN
The Summer adventure from when they were little was just from the book. Hairi only has deja vu because he read the story as a kid, which is why everything felt so familiar. If you watch through the letters he is reading, one is actually from Hairi as a kid who wanted to be friends with Kamome and be a part of the crew since he was a fan of the book.
I hope that answers some of the questions you have.
My understanding from the VN is that the last scene of her jumping into her arms is them reuniting in real life. The letter at the end was after she had awoken, and then they meet up.It is cut very similarly in the original VN
The Summer adventure from when they were little was just from the book. Hairi only has deja vu because he read the story as a kid, which is why everything felt so familiar. If you watch through the letters he is reading, one is actually from Hairi as a kid who wanted to be friends with Kamome and be a part of the crew since he was a fan of the book.
I hope that answers some of the questions you have.
| @Phoenix_Trite there was a letter addressed to Hairi from Kamome in which she said she loves him and wants to marry him. can you please explain? |
Jul 25, 7:53 AM
#196
Reply to Alice23_
@Phoenix_Trite there was a letter addressed to Hairi from Kamome in which she said she loves him and wants to marry him. can you please explain?
| @Alice23_ During the end credits of this episode Hairi receives a letter and then sees Kamome again as she jumps into his arms. The letter was from Kamome, and probably said that she was going to visit the island for real. She is alive. |
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Jul 25, 10:31 AM
#197
Reply to Phoenix_Trite
@Alice23_ During the end credits of this episode Hairi receives a letter and then sees Kamome again as she jumps into his arms. The letter was from Kamome, and probably said that she was going to visit the island for real. She is alive.
| @Phoenix_Trite it was another scene before the ending one. when he got the key and went in the ship, there he found some letter. one was addressed to him in which Kamome was calling him Taka chan and the name Takahara Hairi was written on it. She said in that letter that she loves him and wants marry him. she wrote it when she was a kid. |
Jul 25, 10:33 AM
#198
Reply to Alice23_
@Phoenix_Trite it was another scene before the ending one. when he got the key and went in the ship, there he found some letter. one was addressed to him in which Kamome was calling him Taka chan and the name Takahara Hairi was written on it. She said in that letter that she loves him and wants marry him. she wrote it when she was a kid.
| @Alice23_ Oh yeah, that one was a response to when Hairi sent her a letter after reading the novel. Everyone who wrote her letters she gave a response to. |
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Jul 25, 10:37 AM
#199
Reply to Phoenix_Trite
@Alice23_ Oh yeah, that one was a response to when Hairi sent her a letter after reading the novel. Everyone who wrote her letters she gave a response to.
| @Phoenix_Trite can you tell me where was it shown that Hairi sent her a letter first and did she just randomly said that she loved him and wanted marry him? |
Jul 25, 10:40 AM
#200
Reply to Alice23_
@Phoenix_Trite can you tell me where was it shown that Hairi sent her a letter first and did she just randomly said that she loved him and wanted marry him?
| @Alice23_ I would have to watch the episode again because I can't remember exactly. I played the game too, so sometimes I get the plot lines confused. |
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