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Sep 4, 2017 2:22 AM

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Harem anime should be gone.
Isekai anime should be gone.
Censorship should be gone.
Crybaby MC's like OP said.

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4th wall breaking

Like, congratulations on pointing out to the audience what cliches you're using. Doesn't change the fact that you're using them.


This shit right here ^^^
Sep 4, 2017 2:42 AM

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Gexis said:
Harem anime should be gone.
Isekai anime should be gone.
Censorship should be gone.
Crybaby MC's like OP said.
This shit right here ^^^

Harem? Depends on the writers and adaptation.
Focus on the source material, Theres a good example of harem.
Monogatari Series is one of the example.
Though most of the harem anime fail to get full adaptation.
Yamadakun might be harem on start but on late god its very satisfying to read.
Kore wa zombie desu ka, Again it fails to adapt full making a whole anime cliche and ended up just like that.
To Love ru (Explicit) yet made it out just fine, fully adapt for the "Ecchi" genre lover.
The Infamous DxD, Theres not much to add, it falls on adaptation.
Grisaia, Satisying ending, well summarized although VN player dissapointed.
The World God Only Knows, Fail to full adapt due studio bankruptcy (also the manga ending..)
Date a Live is quite good but also mediocore, the idea is quite good, but the story adapation seems rushed compared LN version.

Rest i havent watchd but got good reviews
Saenai Heroine no Sodatekata
Hayate no Gotoku!!


Isekai Anime gone , no more isekai adaptation, no more SAO,no More re:zero .
It doesnt necessary gone, but the quality filter should be raised.
the SAO,Konosuba, and reZero influence affect alot of newest anime/manga/novel lately.

Censorship..? Are you watching Hajimete no gal by any chance? Censorship likely only to show on Gore and Ecchi anime.

Crybaby MC.
Depends on how the character designed, reZero is a good example of it.
Sep 4, 2017 2:48 AM

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Kuraokani said:
*place title here*.
More examples of crybaby MCs that ruined the anime:
Shinji from Evangelion

Ganta from Deadman wonderland

Rock from black lagoon

Haru from Accel World.

(I couldn't pass up showing Harus pig avatar. What a pussy)


LOL, Shinji and Rock are the better characters from their respective series
Sep 4, 2017 3:34 AM

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Less dependence on other media like manga, light novels, porn games Visual Novels, and create more original anime.

Incomplete adaptations. If you're going to adapt something, then adapt the entire story (even if the source material has finished publishing) or don't bother doing it in the first place.

The "otaku writing". And it has gotten a lot worse since the past 5 or so years. Like Miyazaki said, most anime these days are made by otakus (for otakus) who don't go outside and observe how real people behave and interact (then again, I'm the one to talk). So they can't write a character with believable personality, dialogues, and animate the body language to go with it, to save their lives.

Although, I don't see why so many people want yuri anime gone. Yuri isn't exactly an epidemic plaguing the anime industry. You'd be lucky to get a yuri anime every 2 years. But I definitely want the bullshit yuri baiting gone. Either you go all the way or don't at all.
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Sep 4, 2017 3:42 AM

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Isekai,Yaoi and Yuri animes are the ones i wish that should disappear or atleast become less popular
Sep 4, 2017 3:43 AM

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From anime? No, but I rather want more diversity. But if I have to say someone, let's just hope Hayao Miyazaki dies because he used to be a hero of anime industry but now he's just a shadow of his former self, who only rants like a grumpy butthurt old man. Ah yeah also incomplete adaptations that only serves as an ads to the source material.

In the community? I'd say the elitist by literal definition (well Hayao Miyazaki is technically an elitist too), the stigma to a certain anime fan (harem/ecchi/loli/incest/yaoi/yuri/basically anything). I against discrimination.
Sep 4, 2017 3:48 AM
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Crunchyroll's and other anime streaming sites' geo-restrictions in my country.
Sep 4, 2017 3:53 AM

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Nothing should be gone, everyone enjoys different stuff but actually increase the goddamn quality of mainstream genres stop throwing generic stuff for year in our faces, but we have no power it's up to japan consumers they decide worlwide fans' fate.

If I had one complaint that'd be more original anime so we could actually get endings instead of cliffhangers a lot of times.
Sep 4, 2017 4:44 AM

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I hope anime will disappear/die at next 10 years.
Sep 4, 2017 5:09 AM

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I'd really like the romances where the tsundere always wins to disappear if possible. It's getting really old and predictable. And if possible less new shows being aired and more shows being continued.


Sep 4, 2017 5:13 AM

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i hope you you whiny losers will disappear asap

Sep 4, 2017 5:17 AM

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Well here is the things that I want to see gone.
Regionlocking, nobody likes that so go away!

Romance anime with only the will they won't they, like exploring the couple is not interesting enough?

Otaku empowerment, because let's be honest that lifestyle is not really that good.

Bad and incomplete adaptations.

Moral high horsing ppl who brag about how good they are by using CR.

Bland archtype characters.

Plus I would really like to see an good Isekai
Sep 4, 2017 5:24 AM
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Annoying / Whiny MC's

I would like annoying whiny MC's to disappear from the face of the anime world
its tolerable if they actually get stronger in the end but if they dont what the even heck is the point of them being the MC like Subaru from Re:Zero or Yukki from Mirai Nikki.
Sep 4, 2017 5:56 AM

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Can we all just agree that it would be great if Studio Pierrot and A-1 Productions went under?
Sep 4, 2017 6:01 AM

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harem,ecchi and moe shit .sadly the anime community is made up mostly of pervy boys ---____________----
Sep 4, 2017 6:06 AM
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Anything i don't like and that doesn't pander to me of course, i mean, how come the rest of the world doesn't revolve around my tastes?
Sep 4, 2017 6:09 AM
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So many retards in this thread.

kaitoXotaku96 said:
harem,ecchi and moe shit .sadly the anime community is made up mostly of pervy boys ---____________----
Nope, would be great if it was but, it isn't. Most of the community are edgelords such as yourself.

madarchod said:
Isekai,Yaoi and Yuri animes are the ones i wish that should disappear or atleast become less popular
how can they even become less popular if Yaoi and Yuri are not popular At. Fucking. All.

SupremeEdgelord said:
Anything i don't like and that doesn't pander to me of course, i mean, how come the rest of the world doesn't revolve around my tastes?
lol, if only most people in this thread had any self awereness -_-

Gexis said:
Harem anime should be gone.
Isekai anime should be gone.
Censorship should be gone.
Crybaby MC's like OP said.
So you want cencorship to be gone but you wanna censor yourself? I really hope you're just shitposting.
Sep 4, 2017 7:20 AM

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EcchiKingMamster said:
@suzuya_mitsuko

i know what you're saying...

but from the shit people say i just don't why many of them are even bothering to watch anime

i can't help but think that anime just isn't for some..

imagine if for sake of argument, anime changed based on what people in this thread were saying... well it would no longer be anime.. and fuck that

its as if SO MANY people want anime to be something else



I get you too, but it still just a little matter to be a little upset for. Our idea will be just an idea and won't go anywhere, nor change the situation.

You need to chill a little bit, don't stress it out. Cheers. :)
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Sep 4, 2017 7:22 AM
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suzuya_mitsuko said:
EcchiKingMamster said:
@suzuya_mitsuko

i know what you're saying...

but from the shit people say i just don't why many of them are even bothering to watch anime

i can't help but think that anime just isn't for some..

imagine if for sake of argument, anime changed based on what people in this thread were saying... well it would no longer be anime.. and fuck that

its as if SO MANY people want anime to be something else



I get you too, but it still just a little matter to be a little upset for. Our idea will be just an idea and won't go anywhere, nor change the situation.

You need to chill a little bit, don't stress it out. Cheers. :)


you're not wrong, i overreact all the time..

but so does everyone else, so i'm innocent :(
Sep 4, 2017 7:29 AM

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1. Generic magic high school harem (unless it is Rakudai Kishi Season 2). I mean it's pretty much gone at this rate - I don't remember any prominent ones since Hundred in Spring 2016
2. For the love of god I hope isekai doesn't become a major genre. One or two Re:Zero or KonoSuba every year is fine but it will get boring quickly if half of the seasonal anime are just ripping off previous works
^both points are derived from LNs. Coincidence?
3. Also fuck netflix
Sep 4, 2017 7:32 AM

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EcchiKingMamster said:


you're not wrong, i overreact all the time..

but so does everyone else, so i'm innocent :(


Haha, you're cute. :D

You do. I thought you're always flaming on purpose all the time. But the fact that you acknowledge your own point is really brave, and maybe, maybe, trully innocent.

Still, people doing that doesn't mean you should do that too. :)
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Sep 4, 2017 7:59 AM
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I think cash grabbing waifu series can go away,I want more anime with heart and soul put in with real stories and characters and less of tities for money
Sep 4, 2017 8:02 AM

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I want cliche stereotypes to be eradicated forever. For example, the typical tsundere. The harem genre tends to be the most guilty of doing this. No substance.





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Sep 4, 2017 8:06 AM
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Kuraokani said:
*place title here*. Is there anything that you'd wish would disappear already? Whether it be the SAO arguments, The "Big 3" anime, or even a genre like haram or ecchi.

Personally, I'd like a lot of stuff to change/disappear but I'd settle with crybaby MCs. They ruin anime that would otherwise be really good. For example, if Yuki from Future Diary was a more realistic 14 year old, it would definitely have been a 8/10 or even a 9/10 for me, but the constant whining and complaining ruined any chance of ever liking him. The only reason it even has a 7/10 is because Yuno is waifu and the story was half-decent.

More examples of crybaby MCs that ruined the anime:
Shinji from Evangelion

Ganta from Deadman wonderland

Rock from black lagoon

Haru from Accel World.

(I couldn't pass up showing Harus pig avatar. What a pussy)
You are confusing objective with subjective, and making the mc a coward is not a flaw but a story element, which can be done well or badly. Shinji was done exceptionally well, as he is almost as complex as a real boy, which is because he almost is, as the author actually put parts of himself into his characters, as an author should. The entire point of Shinji is for people to learn from what he learned and to have courage in life, and not be the little bitch boy he was during the show. It was mostly successful but there will always be the people who refuse to learn from him and choose to hate him instead because they want to feel better than people like that.

Edit: Oh yeah and if I can remove anything from the industry it would be low brow sexual humor which ruins some animes that could have been great. (I'm not trying to piss anyone off by saying this but what I think is a good example is Made in Abyss. The way this show does it is slightly different though as rather than annoying, the sexual humor in this feels intrusive and makes it difficult to watch, as it's just plain uncomfortable to see an 11 year old girl act so... sexually, especially with the art style and lack of slapstick, which really takes away from a story with legitimately cool world building)
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Jason_Funderberk said:
Kuraokani said:
*place title here*. Is there anything that you'd wish would disappear already? Whether it be the SAO arguments, The "Big 3" anime, or even a genre like haram or ecchi.

Personally, I'd like a lot of stuff to change/disappear but I'd settle with crybaby MCs. They ruin anime that would otherwise be really good. For example, if Yuki from Future Diary was a more realistic 14 year old, it would definitely have been a 8/10 or even a 9/10 for me, but the constant whining and complaining ruined any chance of ever liking him. The only reason it even has a 7/10 is because Yuno is waifu and the story was half-decent.

More examples of crybaby MCs that ruined the anime:
Shinji from Evangelion

Ganta from Deadman wonderland

Rock from black lagoon

Haru from Accel World.

(I couldn't pass up showing Harus pig avatar. What a pussy)
You are confusing objective with subjective, and making the mc a coward is not a flaw but a story element, which can be done well or badly. Shinji was done exceptionally well, as he is almost as complex as a real boy, which is because he almost is, as the author actually put parts of himself into his characters, as an author should. The entire point of Shinji is for people to learn from what he learned and to have courage in life, and not be the little bitch boy he was during the show. It was mostly successful but there will always be the people who refuse to learn from him and choose to hate him instead because they want to feel better than people like that.


I don't understand the hate towards, "crybaby" protagonists, when they're real enough, and actually contribute to the story.
Shinji does fight. He only refuses to about 3 times.
When push comes to shove, Ganta fights, moreso as the anime continues.
Rock's just a normal human. He's meant to be the audience surrogate.
Unfortunately, the, "Shinji archetype", as many like to call it, has kind of been handled pretty badly lately.
Like you said, all Yukiteru does most of the anime is just whine. It would've been less annoying and made more sense if he acted more useful. Like being more tactful, thoughtful, etc.
Re: Zero completely screws the archetype up. Whereas Shinji has actual flaws that are well-defined and explained (his mom died when he was a kid, his dad's a dick), Subaru...he just screams like a moron, until a cute girl tells him he's not crap for an entire episode. The only explanation for Subaru's, "flaws" is that he's a shut in and was lazy his whole life...why? What lead him to be this way? Not explained!
Sep 4, 2017 8:21 AM
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ThatCynicalOtaku said:
Jason_Funderberk said:
You are confusing objective with subjective, and making the mc a coward is not a flaw but a story element, which can be done well or badly. Shinji was done exceptionally well, as he is almost as complex as a real boy, which is because he almost is, as the author actually put parts of himself into his characters, as an author should. The entire point of Shinji is for people to learn from what he learned and to have courage in life, and not be the little bitch boy he was during the show. It was mostly successful but there will always be the people who refuse to learn from him and choose to hate him instead because they want to feel better than people like that.


I don't understand the hate towards, "crybaby" protagonists, when they're real enough, and actually contribute to the story.
Shinji does fight. He only refuses to about 3 times.
When push comes to shove, Ganta fights, moreso as the anime continues.
Rock's just a normal human. He's meant to be the audience surrogate.
Unfortunately, the, "Shinji archetype", as many like to call it, has kind of been handled pretty badly lately.
Like you said, all Yukiteru does most of the anime is just whine. It would've been less annoying and made more sense if he acted more useful. Like being more tactful, thoughtful, etc.
Re: Zero completely screws the archetype up. Whereas Shinji has actual flaws that are well-defined and explained (his mom died when he was a kid, his dad's a dick), Subaru...he just screams like a moron, until a cute girl tells him he's not crap for an entire episode. The only explanation for Subaru's, "flaws" is that he's a shut in and was lazy his whole life...why? What lead him to be this way? Not explained!
One of the most important parts of making the flaws of a protagonist is showing why they have those flaws, so that the viewers can grow with the protagonist as they overcome them. If they are just there with no explanation, then there is no point, as they just get in the way.
Sep 4, 2017 8:38 AM

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panning over or shaky-camera efect
onto static img

is animo, meansning 'animiated'
no powerpoin slidesshow
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Sep 4, 2017 8:42 AM

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everything
thirty characteeeeeeeeeeeers


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Sep 4, 2017 8:47 AM
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suzuya_mitsuko said:
EcchiKingMamster said:


you're not wrong, i overreact all the time..

but so does everyone else, so i'm innocent :(


Haha, you're cute. :D

You do. I thought you're always flaming on purpose all the time. But the fact that you acknowledge your own point is really brave, and maybe, maybe, trully innocent.

Still, people doing that doesn't mean you should do that too. :)


Lol

Well I don't denying being obnoxious, I just can't help how easily I get triggered


singletonking said:
No genre needs to completely disappear. Pretty sure each genre is a small percentage of all anime, so people who hate them can just avoid them.

It's only a problem when something is plaguing most anime. In this case it is fanservice, especially in series in which there is very little fanservice in the first place.


Like by statements like this that are bullshit -___-

"I've only seen 16 anime, so that tells me that fanservice has taken over"

Another one
Sep 4, 2017 9:13 AM

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These young cats arguing about "shipping" characters..it is absolutely stupid and annoying.
Sep 4, 2017 9:55 AM
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Jason_Funderberk said:
Kuraokani said:
*place title here*. Is there anything that you'd wish would disappear already? Whether it be the SAO arguments, The "Big 3" anime, or even a genre like haram or ecchi.

Personally, I'd like a lot of stuff to change/disappear but I'd settle with crybaby MCs. They ruin anime that would otherwise be really good. For example, if Yuki from Future Diary was a more realistic 14 year old, it would definitely have been a 8/10 or even a 9/10 for me, but the constant whining and complaining ruined any chance of ever liking him. The only reason it even has a 7/10 is because Yuno is waifu and the story was half-decent.

More examples of crybaby MCs that ruined the anime:
Shinji from Evangelion

Ganta from Deadman wonderland

Rock from black lagoon

Haru from Accel World.

(I couldn't pass up showing Harus pig avatar. What a pussy)
You are confusing objective with subjective, and making the mc a coward is not a flaw but a story element, which can be done well or badly. Shinji was done exceptionally well, as he is almost as complex as a real boy, which is because he almost is, as the author actually put parts of himself into his characters, as an author should. The entire point of Shinji is for people to learn from what he learned and to have courage in life, and not be the little bitch boy he was during the show. It was mostly successful but there will always be the people who refuse to learn from him and choose to hate him instead because they want to feel better than people like that.

Edit: Oh yeah and if I can remove anything from the industry it would be low brow sexual humor which ruins some animes that could have been great. (I'm not trying to piss anyone off by saying this but what I think is a good example is Made in Abyss. The way this show does it is slightly different though as rather than annoying, the sexual humor in this feels intrusive and makes it difficult to watch, as it's just plain uncomfortable to see an 11 year old girl act so... sexually, especially with the art style and lack of slapstick, which really takes away from a story with legitimately cool world building)
You must have missed the word "personally"?, huh?

Why do you think I've confused "subjective" and "objective"? I don't see one sentence where I claimed that my opinion was fact.

Oh and as far as Shinji goes, he's as far from a real 14 year old as someone could get, but when you make that claim, aren't you confusing subjective with objective?
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there is a lack of traps in today's anime
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Unfinished series that deserve a proper ending of some sorts/additional seasons.
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rodriboy said:
Kuraokani said:
*place title here*.
More examples of crybaby MCs that ruined the anime:
Shinji from Evangelion

Ganta from Deadman wonderland

Rock from black lagoon

Haru from Accel World.

(I couldn't pass up showing Harus pig avatar. What a pussy)


LOL, Shinji and Rock are the better characters from their respective series
That's just saying that all the other characters where worse, not that they where better
Sep 4, 2017 10:55 AM
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More hentai harem.
More pre-2010 style of romance, aka. with harem and ecchi and cliche ;3
Less people on MyAnimeList



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DoodlebugFour said:

Boring @$$ info-dump narrations


Boy, you must really hate Ghost in the Shell huh?


Actually Ghost in the Shell is one my favorite movies, with SAC is my fav part of the Franchise. It's when generic light novels does these slow @$$ narrations (bonus if they get a boring sounding old man to narrate) to tell rather than show to save animation money. That I might as well read a book than fall asleep out of boredom. XD
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SenseiJ said:
Harem Genres and really dumb characters, e.g the anime gamers and how they are assuming everyone is cheating with the other person or some shit like that. It just irritates me.


Gamers! isn't a Harem though.

You're giving an answer to the question but giving a different example
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dadnaya said:
SenseiJ said:
Harem Genres and really dumb characters, e.g the anime gamers and how they are assuming everyone is cheating with the other person or some shit like that. It just irritates me.


Gamers! isn't a Harem though.

You're giving an answer to the question but giving a different example
I used gamers for the example of "Really dumb characters" I already know its not Harem haha lol
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Kuraokani said:
Jason_Funderberk said:
You are confusing objective with subjective, and making the mc a coward is not a flaw but a story element, which can be done well or badly. Shinji was done exceptionally well, as he is almost as complex as a real boy, which is because he almost is, as the author actually put parts of himself into his characters, as an author should. The entire point of Shinji is for people to learn from what he learned and to have courage in life, and not be the little bitch boy he was during the show. It was mostly successful but there will always be the people who refuse to learn from him and choose to hate him instead because they want to feel better than people like that.

Edit: Oh yeah and if I can remove anything from the industry it would be low brow sexual humor which ruins some animes that could have been great. (I'm not trying to piss anyone off by saying this but what I think is a good example is Made in Abyss. The way this show does it is slightly different though as rather than annoying, the sexual humor in this feels intrusive and makes it difficult to watch, as it's just plain uncomfortable to see an 11 year old girl act so... sexually, especially with the art style and lack of slapstick, which really takes away from a story with legitimately cool world building)
You must have missed the word "personally"?, huh?

Why do you think I've confused "subjective" and "objective"? I don't see one sentence where I claimed that my opinion was fact.

Oh and as far as Shinji goes, he's as far from a real 14 year old as someone could get, but when you make that claim, aren't you confusing subjective with objective?
No, the reason I was saying that is because you have stated that you wish "crybaby MCs" would go away as if they are a flaw in itself and not up to subjective tastes and how well they suit the type of story they are placed in. When I defended Shinji, I wasn't exactly adding on to my last statement, just defending him so you could know the point of view of someone who liked him. And, Shinji is VERY much like most people. Even if people aren't exactly like him which would be rare as all people are unique to some degree, everyone exhibits similar traits in similar situations, and to be honest Shinji had a lot of courage in some situations. There are many people who have hated Shinji throughout the entire show until the final episodes and the movie, when they realized that the reason they hated him is because he showed off things they disliked about themselves, and Evangelion taught many people to stop projecting and to improve themselves. If anyone HATES Shinji (not referring to people who just don't care for him) then it's always because they are compensating for something that they lack inside, usually confidence and peace of mind. After all, why waste time and sanity on conserving a large portion of negative energy on anything, especially a fictional character? Most people who hate Shinji only do so because they refuse to want to learn from him, and instead they hate on him to feel superior. Even then, anyone can move past that grow as a person nomatter what they have done. If you say that characters like Shinji Ikari should be deleted from the anime and manga industry, you would be depriving people like me who love his character, because we were able to grow and mature by seeing him do so. I like brave and assertive characters like Gon Freecs and Guts too, but without a diversity of flawed characters throughout the media I consume, I would get bored.
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there is a lack of traps in today's anime
Please tell me you are being sarcastic. I don't mind crossdressers, in fact, I find the concept interesting. But making a female character design and saying it's a male is lazy, stupid, distracting, and at this point just cliché and boring. Literally EVERY harem anime has a trap nowadays.
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Jason_Funderberk said:
Kuraokani said:
You must have missed the word "personally"?, huh?

Why do you think I've confused "subjective" and "objective"? I don't see one sentence where I claimed that my opinion was fact.

Oh and as far as Shinji goes, he's as far from a real 14 year old as someone could get, but when you make that claim, aren't you confusing subjective with objective?
No, the reason I was saying that is because you have stated that you wish "crybaby MCs" would go away as if they are a flaw in itself and not up to subjective tastes and how well they suit the type of story they are placed in. When I defended Shinji, I wasn't exactly adding on to my last statement, just defending him so you could know the point of view of someone who liked him. And, Shinji is VERY much like most people. Even if people aren't exactly like him which would be rare as all people are unique to some degree, everyone exhibits similar traits in similar situations, and to be honest Shinji had a lot of courage in some situations. There are many people who have hated Shinji throughout the entire show until the final episodes and the movie, when they realized that the reason they hated him is because he showed off things they disliked about themselves, and Evangelion taught many people to stop projecting and to improve themselves. If anyone HATES Shinji (not referring to people who just don't care for him) then it's always because they are compensating for something that they lack inside, usually confidence and peace of mind. After all, why waste time and sanity on conserving a large portion of negative energy on anything, especially a fictional character? Most people who hate Shinji only do so because they refuse to want to learn from him, and instead they hate on him to feel superior. Even then, anyone can move past that grow as a person nomatter what they have done. If you say that characters like Shinji Ikari should be deleted from the anime and manga industry, you would be depriving people like me who love his character, because we were able to grow and mature by seeing him do so. I like brave and assertive characters like Gon Freecs and Guts too, but without a diversity of flawed characters throughout the media I consume, I would get bored.
That's your opinion. I'm not saying that you're not allowed to have a opinion, I'm simply stating that I do not like these types of characters. I have nothing in common with Shinji. I do like how you claim to know the psychological state of "most people" though.

In my opinion, crybaby MCs are annoying and not entertaining to watch because I have nothing in common with them (personality wise). Watching someone cry and complain about everything that dosent go their way is annoying. I wouldn't do it in real life and I won't do it while watching t.v. I don't pity Shinji, I can't relate to Shinji and I sure as hell don't agree with his decisions and actions.

He's a crybaby with daddy issues and really selfish.

"Well some people relate to him"

I don't. I never will. Sure, I have my own problems, but I don't run away from them or cower in a corner and wait for things to get better, and I sure as hell don't use the environment or company I'm in as a excuse to act like a brat.

"Oh well you're just the most alpha of alpha males then, huh?"

If that's what you consider me to be then it's your opinion. Thats not going to change how I see my self or the way I see other people.
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Off the top of my head...
  1. Terrible wages and working conditions for animators.
  2. Digibro and Mother's Basement
  3. Wimpy female leads. Start kicking more tail, girls!
  4. Blind SAO hate
  5. Piracy (yeah, right)
Edit: Oh, and Sentai Filmworks' penchant for not letting anyone stream their dubs.
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Kuraokani said:
Jason_Funderberk said:
No, the reason I was saying that is because you have stated that you wish "crybaby MCs" would go away as if they are a flaw in itself and not up to subjective tastes and how well they suit the type of story they are placed in. When I defended Shinji, I wasn't exactly adding on to my last statement, just defending him so you could know the point of view of someone who liked him. And, Shinji is VERY much like most people. Even if people aren't exactly like him which would be rare as all people are unique to some degree, everyone exhibits similar traits in similar situations, and to be honest Shinji had a lot of courage in some situations. There are many people who have hated Shinji throughout the entire show until the final episodes and the movie, when they realized that the reason they hated him is because he showed off things they disliked about themselves, and Evangelion taught many people to stop projecting and to improve themselves. If anyone HATES Shinji (not referring to people who just don't care for him) then it's always because they are compensating for something that they lack inside, usually confidence and peace of mind. After all, why waste time and sanity on conserving a large portion of negative energy on anything, especially a fictional character? Most people who hate Shinji only do so because they refuse to want to learn from him, and instead they hate on him to feel superior. Even then, anyone can move past that grow as a person nomatter what they have done. If you say that characters like Shinji Ikari should be deleted from the anime and manga industry, you would be depriving people like me who love his character, because we were able to grow and mature by seeing him do so. I like brave and assertive characters like Gon Freecs and Guts too, but without a diversity of flawed characters throughout the media I consume, I would get bored.
That's your opinion. I'm not saying that you're not allowed to have a opinion, I'm simply stating that I do not like these types of characters. I have nothing in common with Shinji. I do like how you claim to know the psychological state of "most people" though.

In my opinion, crybaby MCs are annoying and not entertaining to watch because I have nothing in common with them (personality wise). Watching someone cry and complain about everything that dosent go their way is annoying. I wouldn't do it in real life and I won't do it while watching t.v. I don't pity Shinji, I can't relate to Shinji and I sure as hell don't agree with his decisions and actions.

He's a crybaby with daddy issues and really selfish.

"Well some people relate to him"

I don't. I never will. Sure, I have my own problems, but I don't run away from them or cower in a corner and wait for things to get better, and I sure as hell don't use the environment or company I'm in as a excuse to act like a brat.

"Oh well you're just the most alpha of alpha males then, huh?"

If that's what you consider me to be then it's your opinion. Thats not going to change how I see my self or the way I see other people.
When did I say the alpha males thing, or did you try to predict what I would say next? Nice try, that trick doesn't work in real life. Also, as I was saying, it IS my opinion, and since that is something that is 100% up to subjective taste that's why I disliked how you said it shouldn't exist at all. Also, I REALLY didn't want to draw a direct connection to you because that isn't my style, so I used very general terms, but when I said hating Shinji meant rejecting your own flaws rather than trying to improve them, I was referring to you. If you hate Shinji, nomatter what it's so that you won't have to acknowledge that you have similarities to him. Shinji has a handful of positive qualities, but the nature of Evangelion highlights the worst in him, and in extention, what all of us as the viewers could be (or even are in some cases). The way you denied having any similarities with Shinji at all and even tried to paint him as a useless waste of a person, isn't the way someone would react if they truly just couldn't relate to him much. In reality, you don't want to relate to him because he is everything you don't want to be (Well not everything, but he is a lot of what you don't want to be and that bled into his other qualities making him seem even worse) and therefore you reject him completely, even pretending that he is unrealistic to further boost your claims. If you truly just didn't go through the problems Shinji did (everyone does, but if you had a very supportive upbringing then those insecurities would be pretty negligable), you wouldn't feel annoyed with Shinji at all, or think badly of him. You would either find it kind of entertaining or it just wouldn't be interesting, and Shinji himself wouldn't really affect your opinion too much. Now I'm not an expert in psychology at all, I only know what I know. But what I have learned is that hating anything means you care about it because it relates to yourself, and I knew this because I could be a pretty hateful person sometimes when I was younger (not even by that much), I would get in bitter internet arguements all the time and I would act like a pretentious piece of shit because I was insecure about myself, but I learned alot since then, mostly from other people actually being mature, even when I wasn't, which highlighted my immaturity, and I realized that hating anything at all was pointless, especially things that don't directly affect you.
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Off the top of my head...
  1. Terrible wages and working conditions for animators.
  2. Digibro and Mother's Basement
  3. Wimpy female leads. Start kicking more tail, girls!
  4. Blind SAO hate
  5. Piracy (yeah, right)
Edit: Oh, and Sentai Filmworks' penchant for not letting anyone stream their dubs.
What's wrong with Digibro and Mother's Basement? (of course besides Mother's Basement's opinion on what separates anime and western cartoons, which is kinda dumb) Also, just like wimpy male leads, wimpy female leads can either be done well or done poorly, depending on the skill of the writers. And if piracy wasn't a thing it would be literally impossible for me to read JoJo's Bizarre Adventure unless I learned Italian or Japanese or something. Those manga elitists spoil literally everything to anime onlys you know.
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Bad western streaming services

Horrible working conditions

Trashy LN adaptations

Romantic Hints/ Undertones
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People being so unreasonably hyped over boring seasonal shows that end up disappointing them anyway.
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Lolis. They are so annoying. The classic "Onii-chan" little sister figure, especially.
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Netflix and Amazon.

Also exclusivity contracts.
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American anime dubs not done by actual VAs
Legal streaming services
Paperbryce
Annoying loli voice VAs
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@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite
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