leasedeb said: basically this thread : 1.saitama is stronger 2.spoiler 3. goku is stronger .... .... as if All this is just a wank thread for Saitama. I wouldn't take it seriously. http://www.narutoforums.com/showthread.php?p=48276320 http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/goku-vs-saitama-onepunch-man-1665208/ Hype statements like "I haven't even used half of my power yet" mean nothing when the enemy is way above your level, and support nothing whatsoever. "Krillin has a PL over 10000... During Namek Saga and around 1400 during Vegeta Saga.. Piccolo busted the moon at pl 400 which was calc at planet level multiple times... 23rd Budokai would probably get stomped by Saitama, Krillin's Speed is slower around double digit mach, and City level DC scaling from Roshi since he is weaker than Piccolo Jr. Saitama should have 3-digit mach for speed Still waiting for Chaos to re-calc the meteor feat. Also City level DC. I think" |
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| ^ Counting the times you are answering it, I'm pretty sure you are taking this pretty seriously xD But okay, by feats lets say Goku wins for now, no problem. OPM still have a looong way to go anyway, when DB is pretty much over with a fanservice anime going on. Let's see how far both of the series go It will be a fun ride =) Edit: Kame senin bursted a planet on the original series, Piccolo bursted the moon before sayan saga, vegeta bursted a planet with two fingers on his first episode, Freeza bursted Namek, Buu bursted Earth and many others and Beerus bursted planet touching a finger in the table and another with a marble sized ki ball. I can't count how many ki blasts way stronger than those that should have destroyed Earth and didn't. For Toriyama to draw someone destroying a planet is easy, now making sence out of it, not so much. xD |
Veldin461Oct 13, 2015 2:44 PM
| Not really seriously, more like I'm used to VS threads and know a lot about it. VS threads are the genesis of my forum lurking and internet surfing, hence why I :< whenever someone underestimates it. It's a pretty fun and serious discussion when on the hands of the right people, and if the thread is right. |
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AzureDaora said: Not really seriously, more like I'm used to VS threads and know a lot about it. VS threads are the genesis of my forum lurking and internet surfing, hence why I :< whenever someone underestimates it. It's a pretty fun and serious discussion when on the hands of the right people, and if the thread is right. Being serious here and logical, as an expert in Vs threads, in your opinion, do you think this thread is fair? Even if we discard the limitless stuff, then what do you think about Saitama's limits? You kinda need to have an idea about that, to make a fair judgement on this, right? |
Veldin461 said: don't call me an expert, it doesn't feel right lelAzureDaora said: Not really seriously, more like I'm used to VS threads and know a lot about it. VS threads are the genesis of my forum lurking and internet surfing, hence why I :< whenever someone underestimates it. It's a pretty fun and serious discussion when on the hands of the right people, and if the thread is right. Being serious here and logical, as an expert in Vs threads, in your opinion, do you think this thread is fair? Even if we discard the limitless stuff, then what do you think about Saitama's limits? You kinda need to have an idea about that, to make a fair judgement on this, right? No this isn't a fair and good thread. From my limited knowledge of OPM they're not really on DB's level. OPM still has continent level+ Destructive Capability and Relativistic Speed as far as I know, however. Most threads that feature people that haven't showed their true power are made in VS threads, and it's not really "unfair" as long as the opponent is in their level, and if considerable stronger this is where people "Powerscale", which is the act of scaling strength. For example, OPM never destroyed a continent but he destroyed a meteor, based on powerscaling people calculate it (I don't know how to maths sry) as Continent level+. The "+" being an estimate. For example, every high-level person on the Touhouverse basically is like this, since they're bound the spellcard rules (http://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Draft_of_Spell_Card_Rules) which basically limit the usage of their hax powers entirely. I mean, we have a character that can alter boundaries and is said to have "no limit to their power" kind of like OPM but we don't the extent of her power due to that limitation. She's awesome nonetheless as so is OPM  |
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| ^ oh, so you didn't read all the OPM manga yet. Recently, talking only about feats, Saitama is at planet+ destructive capability and more or less half of speed of light, still holding back, of course. You probably gonna see those feats at the final arc of the anime. I really hope they get there cause it was one of the most epic parts of the manga With that said, yes, by feats alone I can understand where you're going when you say Goku would defeat him by far, at least for now. But that topic you sent about Krillin, even if he could use ki and all he have showed until now, being able to defeat Saitama... by recent feats I don't think that's a possibility. That thread is really old isn't it? |
Veldin461Oct 13, 2015 3:46 PM
| To be fair, you really can't put Saitama into a Death Battle that involves anyone whose feats are greater than his, because could you HONESTLY say that "this level of power would be enough to beat Saitama"? I for one don't think so, since we don't even know in the slightest the "upper limit" of Saitama's power (and even less so when it comes to his endurance/"HP"). For example if you say "Galaxy busting level would kill Saitama because he was never being shown to be on that level" then I'd have to say that that is really a very far fetched assumption, because there is NOTHING in the entire series that suggest that it would be able to kill him. On the other hand according to the lore, his power is "not defined", i.e. it reached so high levels that his power can't be measured in numbers anymore. I don't know about others but I would say a "piece of lore" (that his power is limitless) has higher priority than a "baseless assumption" (that a galaxy busting attack would kill him off) in this case. In the end I really don't think that Saitama can be put on a "scale" here, i.e. he is very unfit for death battles, because his power level is far above his feats, so going by his feats would not be able to "represent" him at all. For example some time ago people speculated about him fighting that guy from fist of the north star that uses the enemies' "pressure points" to his advantage and would therefore be a possible way to by-pass Saitama's defense... but now recently in the webcomic Saitama was fighting , who used an attack that damages the "internals" of the body (or rather the inner energy/"Ki") and the most Saitama felt was "his muscles moving strangely on their own" without actually taking any damage. So as you can see making any "assumptions" really can easily lead to wrong conclusions when it comes to a character whose TRUE POWER is still unknown (though it has been known on a theoretical level at least). |
Grey-ZoneOct 13, 2015 4:25 PM
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| ^ We are not really discussing who would win a fight, but who have greater feats now. Saying one or another would win... As far can Goku one punch Saitama and Saitama's punch have little effect on him, as could be the other way around. A topic like this makes no sence when you still don't know how far One wants to take his removed limiter. We all already agree to that, I guess I'm still of the opinion that Saitama could takes this easly, but truth is I have no ways to proove it yet |
Veldin461Oct 13, 2015 5:02 PM
| OPM is a parody on super heroes. He would beat anyone because that's the joke of this series... VerneJules said: You can't compare an ever-growing powerful character (Goku) with an absolute always-winning character (Saitama). |
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Grey-Zone said: Except that all Saitama has in his belt against Goku is hype statements, which are completely common and unreliable. How unreliable and common? So much so that they created a conecept of a fallacy for it, which is the "No-limits Fallacy". This fallacy states that it is wrong to state that x can defeat/withstand/etc something without showing proper feats for it, which is completely understandable. Yes, we've never seen that OPM can be hurt by Galaxy-level attacks, but have you ever seen him tank one? Nope.To be fair, you really can't put Saitama into a Death Battle that involves anyone whose feats are greater than his, because could you HONESTLY say that "this level of power would be enough to beat Saitama"? I for one don't think so, since we don't even know in the slightest the "upper limit" of Saitama's power (and even less so when it comes to his endurance/"HP"). For example if you say "Galaxy busting level would kill Saitama because he was never being shown to be on that level" then I'd have to say that that is really a very far fetched assumption, because there is NOTHING in the entire series that suggest that it would be able to kill him. On the other hand according to the lore, his power is "not defined", i.e. it reached so high levels that his power can't be measured in numbers anymore. I don't know about others but I would say a "piece of lore" (that his power is limitless) has higher priority than a "baseless assumption" (that a galaxy busting attack would kill him off) in this case. In the end I really don't think that Saitama can be put on a "scale" here, i.e. he is very unfit for death battles, because his power level is far above his feats, so going by his feats would not be able to "represent" him at all. For example some time ago people speculated about him fighting that guy from fist of the north star that uses the enemies' "pressure points" to his advantage and would therefore be a possible way to by-pass Saitama's defense... but now recently in the webcomic Saitama was fighting , who used an attack that damages the "internals" of the body (or rather the inner energy/"Ki") and the most Saitama felt was "his muscles moving strangely on their own" without actually taking any damage. So as you can see making any "assumptions" really can easily lead to wrong conclusions when it comes to a character whose TRUE POWER is still unknown (though it has been known on a theoretical level at least). What would you trust more, someone saying that the coffee is hot or you yourself seeing that the coffee is iced? Let's put it this way. I've never broken a bone in my life, therefore my bones are unbreakable. And yes, this "No-limit" thing happens ALL the time in fiction. Yukari Yakumo, the girl that I mentioned a while ago, for example, is a great example of one. She has never shown her true power since 1. She is bound by the rules between Youkai and Humans, which limits the Youkai to use their power directly and manifest them into "spellcards" instead, almost completely limiting her power. 2. She is nonchalant and lazy. Nonetheless, she has shown great power. She can control boundaries, which are practically has tons of uses. She can turn any concept in the opposite, i.e if you are strong, she can turn you weak. Fast, into slow. Alive, into dead. Limitless, into limited. While it is heavily implied that she can do all of that, she never did and most of those feats are thus not used, especially since one of the possible things that it can do is turn something omnipotent into impotent. Feats only and no hype and hyperbole statements. One can cry "but Saitama has never shown his full power", but showings state that he's nowhere near DB's level. |
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Veldin461 said: TheShaka said: First, he need to be fast like Goku for hit him. And i don't think that Goku would have problem with killing him with one hit too... Ps. Veldin461 you looks like sick fan boy. Dude, there's anyone here arguing that do not seem like a sick fanboy, then? xD I don't even understand why you even lost a precious minute of your life, writing that post. As far as I can remember, I didn't insult anyone because i can. |
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| Here's the explanation that we have for now on the web comic for monsters, super humans and Saitama's strenght, the "I eat to much crab, I turned into one" thing, and other stuff about the series on that matter If you don't want spoilers, don't open it. It just might be helpful to this thread, to understand Saitama's limitless power better and for curious people xD there's more, but I can't find it on google =/ don't know if I can post a manga link on the forum |
Veldin461Oct 14, 2015 7:13 AM
| I've heard he is only Namek saga level. |
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AzureDaora said: Except that all Saitama has in his belt against Goku is hype statements, which are completely common and unreliable. How unreliable and common? So much so that they created a conecept of a fallacy for it, which is the "No-limits Fallacy". This fallacy states that it is wrong to state that x can defeat/withstand/etc something without showing proper feats for it, which is completely understandable. Yes, we've never seen that OPM can be hurt by Galaxy-level attacks, but have you ever seen him tank one? Nope. What would you trust more, someone saying that the coffee is hot or you yourself seeing that the coffee is iced? Let's put it this way. I've never broken a bone in my life, therefore my bones are unbreakable. And yes, this "No-limit" thing happens ALL the time in fiction. Yukari Yakumo, the girl that I mentioned a while ago, for example, is a great example of one. She has never shown her true power since 1. She is bound by the rules between Youkai and Humans, which limits the Youkai to use their power directly and manifest them into "spellcards" instead, almost completely limiting her power. 2. She is nonchalant and lazy. Nonetheless, she has shown great power. She can control boundaries, which are practically has tons of uses. She can turn any concept in the opposite, i.e if you are strong, she can turn you weak. Fast, into slow. Alive, into dead. Limitless, into limited. While it is heavily implied that she can do all of that, she never did and most of those feats are thus not used, especially since one of the possible things that it can do is turn something omnipotent into impotent. Feats only and no hype and hyperbole statements. One can cry "but Saitama has never shown his full power", but showings state that he's nowhere near DB's level. Yea, but you can't just "set a limit" by yourself. For a death battle there simply... is not enough material to go on. It's true that relying on the no-limit statements is not enough proof to show that Saitama could just kill any "planet buster+" characters either. But the mere lack of feats is not enough "proof" to say that, Goku and Vegeta "could kill Saitama easily", because that means you are making up an upper limit that was never ever stated. Saitama really is a special case in that regard, because he was never even pressured and the opponent who is considers Saitama's best feat himself proclaimed that Saitama was STILL holding back. The problem here is you could theoretically claim that anything that is "Saitama's MAX feats + 1" would be able to beat him going by the "lol,nofeats" logic. But that would obviously be completely wrong. Since he is shown to be "stronger than his feats by a certain amount", but anyone making a death battle would have to make a baseless assumption on what the actual numbers of this "certain amount" is and that really doesn't work, because anyone doing this Death Battle would have to measure it "by eye" which makes the whole battle completely subjective to that person's personal whims of what he "thinks" Saitama's power level is maxed at. Again, I am not saying Saitama would beat everyone in the universe in a death battle. What I am saying is: You just CANNOT use him in a Death Battle against anyone with feats higher than his, because you would NOT be able to reach the point of "sufficient research" being completed until the webcomic shows us more. We also don't know how far his "conceptual defense" is because he broke one of the conceptual laws of the universe by himself through sheer willpower and this law was never "re-instated" on him either, so you really just "can't say" who would win between Saitama and any "planet busting+" characters. Think of Schroedinger's box. Both "the Saiatama that wins Death Battles" and "the Saitama that loses Death Battles" exist at the same time, until the "box" that is his "max power level" is being opened. |
Grey-ZoneOct 14, 2015 8:46 AM
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KilluaX4 said: That would still put him around Namek saga/Frieza saga level considering first form Frieza was a casual planet buster. Goku after healing was way above first form Frieza.DrGeroCreation said: I've heard he is only Namek saga level. Well you have heard wrong. He punched Planet Busting blast into oblivion killing his opponent. And that was not his full power. |
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| Fairy Tail nakama power > OPM |
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YEEART said: Medaka > AllFairy Tail nakama power > OPM |
| Your honor, I never wrote this post. |
| If he could shake the universe with his punches then you could make a case for him being a match for Goku. |
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Okashi said: YEEART said: Medaka > AllFairy Tail nakama power > OPM Kumagawa > All :> |
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| can't wait to see death battle on youtube. |
YEEART said: Fairy Tail nakama power > OPM Nope, you clearly don't know understand that "parody > cliché" |
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| I don't know guys, that mosquito gave Saitama some real trouble :) |
ios said: so far Saitama have not destroyed a planet yet even in the manga or web comic, but Saitama did not show any signs of being serious yet though and like the title of the manga says it always ends up with only 1 punch from him He haven't proposed himself destroying the planet as the planet himself was an enemy. As the people said back, the power of parody is boundless, you can't compare two franchises which have an entirely diferent focus in it's characters power. |
neolucaman said: can't wait to see death battle on youtube. If you're talking about Screw Attack, those guys don't even analise both characters before doing a death battle. Since the "Korosensei > Saitama" and the "Toph > Gaara", I don't even know how there's someone who can take them seriously... |
| i think, the thick can beat Saitama ^_^ |
Grey-Zone said: YEEART said: Fairy Tail nakama power > OPM Nope, you clearly don't know understand that "parody > cliché" We all know that cliché > parody. Without the clichés, there would be no parody. |
YehartOct 14, 2015 1:42 PM
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Grey-Zone said: Yes Saitama has never used his full potential, and he isn't even trying most of the time ,although he does have his "serious" series. We "assume" because we have no other choice about it. Yes, we made a somewhat upper-limit about it, but that's because it's even more illogical if we take it WAY higher and have him set to "no-limits can break anything".AzureDaora said: Except that all Saitama has in his belt against Goku is hype statements, which are completely common and unreliable. How unreliable and common? So much so that they created a conecept of a fallacy for it, which is the "No-limits Fallacy". This fallacy states that it is wrong to state that x can defeat/withstand/etc something without showing proper feats for it, which is completely understandable. Yes, we've never seen that OPM can be hurt by Galaxy-level attacks, but have you ever seen him tank one? Nope. What would you trust more, someone saying that the coffee is hot or you yourself seeing that the coffee is iced? Let's put it this way. I've never broken a bone in my life, therefore my bones are unbreakable. And yes, this "No-limit" thing happens ALL the time in fiction. Yukari Yakumo, the girl that I mentioned a while ago, for example, is a great example of one. She has never shown her true power since 1. She is bound by the rules between Youkai and Humans, which limits the Youkai to use their power directly and manifest them into "spellcards" instead, almost completely limiting her power. 2. She is nonchalant and lazy. Nonetheless, she has shown great power. She can control boundaries, which are practically has tons of uses. She can turn any concept in the opposite, i.e if you are strong, she can turn you weak. Fast, into slow. Alive, into dead. Limitless, into limited. While it is heavily implied that she can do all of that, she never did and most of those feats are thus not used, especially since one of the possible things that it can do is turn something omnipotent into impotent. Feats only and no hype and hyperbole statements. One can cry "but Saitama has never shown his full power", but showings state that he's nowhere near DB's level. Yea, but you can't just "set a limit" by yourself. For a death battle there simply... is not enough material to go on. It's true that relying on the no-limit statements is not enough proof to show that Saitama could just kill any "planet buster+" characters either. But the mere lack of feats is not enough "proof" to say that, Goku and Vegeta "could kill Saitama easily", because that means you are making up an upper limit that was never ever stated. Saitama really is a special case in that regard, because he was never even pressured and the opponent who is considers Saitama's best feat himself proclaimed that Saitama was STILL holding back. The problem here is you could theoretically claim that anything that is "Saitama's MAX feats + 1" would be able to beat him going by the "lol,nofeats" logic. But that would obviously be completely wrong. Since he is shown to be "stronger than his feats by a certain amount", but anyone making a death battle would have to make a baseless assumption on what the actual numbers of this "certain amount" is and that really doesn't work, because anyone doing this Death Battle would have to measure it "by eye" which makes the whole battle completely subjective to that person's personal whims of what he "thinks" Saitama's power level is maxed at. Again, I am not saying Saitama would beat everyone in the universe in a death battle. What I am saying is: You just CANNOT use him in a Death Battle against anyone with feats higher than his, because you would NOT be able to reach the point of "sufficient research" being completed until the webcomic shows us more. We also don't know how far his "conceptual defense" is because he broke one of the conceptual laws of the universe by himself through sheer willpower and this law was never "re-instated" on him either, so you really just "can't say" who would win between Saitama and any "planet busting+" characters. Think of Schroedinger's box. Both "the Saiatama that wins Death Battles" and "the Saitama that loses Death Battles" exist at the same time, until the "box" that is his "max power level" is being opened. Let's say this. I can lift a large rock and throw it, but I've never used my entire potential and power with that showing. In fact, I was holding back immensely. Everyone else seem to be weaker than me, and I've never even broken a sweat. Would it be more logical if one says that I can break buildings with my punches, or entire planets? There's one thing that limits Saitama, and that is the term consistency. The lore has to be consistent with the powers of it's denizens, and nobody has shown anything enough to be galaxy-level. It's simple. Holding back or not, whether one is limited by the in-universe laws or not, you can't just assume he is way stronger than his showings unless, well, he shows them. Character feats relies on Analytical AND Empirical evidence. A lot of VS battles aren't set in stone to begin with. As a character shows more feats, threads are remade. |
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| [/quote] ZanathKariashi said: It never comes up in series because it will NEVER come up in the series, Saitama will NEVER be challenged because that's not the point of One Punch Man. Saitama wants to fight all out, there will be a super demon monster beyond god thing that will push saitama to 100%. |
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| People debating who is the strongest between characters of two FUCKING DIFFERENT franchises ... I've seen this before, but I'm done ¯_(ツ)_/¯ |
| and here people are answering this ridiculous question seriously--' "sore to kore wa betsu no hanashi da!" |
Veldin461 said: neolucaman said: can't wait to see death battle on youtube. If you're talking about Screw Attack, those guys don't even analise both characters before doing a death battle. Since the "Korosensei > Saitama" and the "Toph > Gaara", I don't even know how there's someone who can take them seriously... Exactly their fights are bs |
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KurokoTheShadow said: where is this from?     |
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Soren said: KurokoTheShadow said: where is this from?[/spoiler][spoiler] It's an on going fan made crossover, if I'm not mistaken. It's very well made to a point that almost feels canon xD |
| You people are comparing a hax character with a serious character here. It is not valid. The DBZ characters charm is the fact that they win every time against opponents much stronger than themselves after epic fights, not parody one punch. |
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Is this My Hero > Your Hero : The thread? Obviously. My hero >>>>>>>>>>>> Your hero My hero ftw xD |
Veldin461Oct 21, 2015 2:26 PM
Dragon_Slayer_X said: Is this My Hero > Your Hero : The thread? Your mom = my hero |
| yes saitama is stronger, simply because his single punch is much more efficient |
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bestkatalyn said: You people are comparing a hax character with a serious character here. It is not valid. The DBZ characters charm is the fact that they win every time against opponents much stronger than themselves after epic fights, not parody one punch. The thing is though, they win every-time and you know they're gonna win every-time. And thats exactly what OPM is making fun of. They both have badass fights with the minor characters getting their asses whooped. In OPM the enemy is defeated when Saitama finally shows up and punches him once. And in DBZ it happens when Goku pulls some more power ups out of his ass thats finally enough to win. |
| there are manga where Saitama fight Vegeta , Majin Buu and Mister Satan....and Saitama won against Vegeta, draws again Majin Buu because buu promise with Satan but Saitama burst Buu into pieces with one punch and Saitama lost against Mister Satan because well...money lol...but never once Saitama VS Goku but i think the manga is not made by ONE though |
Darkon34 said: there are manga where Saitama fight Vegeta , Majin Buu and Mister Satan....and Saitama won against Vegeta, draws again Majin Buu because buu promise with Satan but Saitama burst Buu into pieces with one punch and Saitama lost against Mister Satan because well...money lol...but never once Saitama VS Goku but i think the manga is not made by ONE though fanmmade |
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