Psycho-Pass 2 Episode 7 Discussion

SimmianPrime said:
Holy shit that.......was fucking awful. This series has hit a new low.

Sibyl's excuse for why they don't just deactivate the dominators was just god damn pathetic. 1) It already knows the system isn't perfect 2) It knows Kamui brainwashed the agent 3) It knows Kamui chopped off pieces of said agent. Even disregarding all that 4) It knows multiple versions of the agent are using the dominators at the same fucking time in different places. Let's be real here, it was just a pathetic attempt by the writers to come up with an excuse to allow Kamui to keep using the dominators.....that's it.

Let me get this straight. They knew the first holo (of the girl) he wore died when she was younger, they know she died in a plane crash. Did they seriously not look into that at all? Every other person on that plane died except someone that has THE SAME FUCKING NAME AS THE GUY YOU'RE AFTER.

Don't even get me started on Akane's pathetic "we'll capture him and bring him to justice" bullshit. I'm sure all the people that are going to die before you do so will be really grateful for that. Every person that Kamui kills from episode 7 onwards blood is directly on Akane's hands (and this show wants me to believe shes a great detective LOL)

This show is just so badly written it's almost funny.

SekaiDono said:
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Um, I think you are the one who misunderstood here. Kamui recreated his classmates by using his followers and modifying their bodies, this plane crash has much more to it than just being a plane crash that 'happens from time to time', Makeshima was only mentioned due to being criminally asymptomatic and he wasn't the only one, very doubtful that the doctor was the only one who helped him to this extent. Sorry if it was too hard to understand first time round for you.

Gymkata said:
You pretty much nailed many of my frustrations. As I stated earllier, I find it ironic that a System very much concerned with its own self-preservation at the end of S1, now finds it absurdly advisable to allow multiple stolen Dominators to remain activated, while in the employ of invisible forces committed to destroying it, to say nothing of the effects their actions have on the public's PP as a whole LOL. Funny too, that it has outright admitted it's an imperfect system, yet when Akane points that out: "watch your mouth." Hopefully we start getting some logic we can sink our teeth into...

Sybil better have a good subversive master plan to explain this. And I hope it's something better than simply to test Akane. Just....no.

SimmianPrime said:
Holy shit that.......was fucking awful. This series has hit a new low.

Sibyl's excuse for why they don't just deactivate the dominators was just god damn pathetic. 1) It already knows the system isn't perfect 2) It knows Kamui brainwashed the agent 3) It knows Kamui chopped off pieces of said agent. Even disregarding all that 4) It knows multiple versions of the agent are using the dominators at the same fucking time in different places. Let's be real here, it was just a pathetic attempt by the writers to come up with an excuse to allow Kamui to keep using the dominators.....that's it.

Let me get this straight. They knew the first holo (of the girl) he wore died when she was younger, they know she died in a plane crash. Did they seriously not look into that at all? Every other person on that plane died except someone that has THE SAME FUCKING NAME AS THE GUY YOU'RE AFTER.

Don't even get me started on Akane's pathetic "we'll capture him and bring him to justice" bullshit. I'm sure all the people that are going to die before you do so will be really grateful for that. Every person that Kamui kills from episode 7 onwards blood is directly on Akane's hands (and this show wants me to believe shes a great detective LOL)

This show is just so badly written it's almost funny.

money4me247 said:


really? the characters seem to act pretty stupid.

first, akane doesn't just kill kamui, which literally just ends in crisis right there. she doesn't even let her enforcer do it... which is the entire point of enforcers!!! doing the dirty almost-criminally-type stuff, so inspectors don't get clouded.

then the sibyl system seems to be so flawed it is ridiculous. not only does it straight fail with criminally asymptomatic people, but now it is shown that it even fails to register someone.

on top of that, when its flaws are brought to light, instead of taking a logical next-step to avert the crisis, the system cannot get pass its own flawed psycho pass rating system. oh, the crazy inspector has a clear psycho pass, let's just let her keep killing our enforcers. no biggie.

turn off the damn stolen dominators!!! lol!!! the captured-turned-traitor inspector is obviously no longer acting with any direct orders from MWPSB, so she should no longer have any authorization to use the dominator. also, the fact that "multiple" instances of the same inspector registering on different dominators at different places blatantly show that her identity is being faked... sooo... goddamn it. turn off the other dominators omg you are so stupid sibyl.

Turn off the stolen dominators & shoot kamui with a regular gun. crisis averted.

Everything else that seems smart & tricky is simply really just flaws from a messed up system that does not work.

I am surprised that anyone even thinks the people at MWPSB are good guys. The system that judges & executes prior to any actual crime without any trial based on an arbitrary 'psycho pass' number that has been shown numerous times to be an inaccurate judge of character or malicious intent..... so disgusting, I can't believe anyone can even think this sort of society is anything but pure evil.

[bold]Guilt is no longer determined by actually committing a crime or even malicious intent... but rather some touchy-feely number based on your mood. omg rotfl. that makes so much sense.[/bold]

Akane is the biggest villain as she is one of the few people who know the truth of this f*ckd up system & continues to support it.

Benphyre said:
Those holograms are too op.. plz nerf

deanzel said:


Now that is what I call an episode. I think that we can safely say that Psycho-Pass is back. Bring it on.

Gymkata said:
Any theories on what the hell the purpose was behind that scene with Akane's Grandmother?? When the call came in, I thought uh no...they've got to her family and now they're leading her into a trap. I guess the drones in the hospital could've malfunctioned in the same facility holding her Grandmother, but was it just coincidence?

SoonaxUchiha02 said:
It would be nice if Hinakawa has a little crush on Akane... that would be really cute. OH GOD HE'S SO CUTE "ONEE-CHAN"

money4me247 said:


lol i like this show too, but these big glaring holes in actions/logic is severely detracting from my enjoyment of it. seems like some of the problems have insanely simple solutions, but they just aren't pursuing it just to height the drama. this cheapens my personal enjoyment of the show.

oh gee whiz i wonder where kamui disappeared too. too bad we don't have any means to find him since he is invisible to psycho pass scanner. ... oh wait, someone else mentioned this, but sibyl system can TRACK dominators!!! lollerwagons.
This is only an assumption:
Dominators are tracked by GPS.That means signals are received by Dominators from the satellite.Also the Dominator is connected to Sibyl and that's why it's still online.So keeping in mind the level of their technology,I think Dominator might be using two different kind of radio waves to communicate.One of the radio waves that are coming from the Sibyl System and one that are coming from the satellite.And Kamui may be blocking(Interfering) with those waves that are coming from the satellite.That's why they are unable to track him and the Dominator still remains online.Also no other method has yet been shown to track the dominators except GPS.It can also be that the Dominator might be using the same radio waves of different frequencies and Kamui could be blocking the wave with the frequency used for GPS.
Either this or the writer is retard.!

a lot of the things happening this season seem silly considering the universe psycho pass is based in.

Gymkata said:
Any theories on what the hell the purpose was behind that scene with Akane's Grandmother??

TmZ_Holymama said:

- If all these 185 people used ghost holo which made Sibyl couldn't identify them and all citizen's career had to be chosen by the System, how could they get their jobs in the first place? Especially that therapist? Don't tell me that someone was successfully hacked into Sibyl... that'd be just lame.

tanteiRE said:


I'd also like to know why. But perhaps that has something to do with one of the earlier episodes where one of the characters mentioned that the female holo was too complicated or something; too many layers just for the sake of appearances. Maybe there's a way to mimic someone's brain using holograms.

chakracat said:
EVERY.FUCKIN'.TIME

Darkdrone said:
Someone from the anime news network reviewed the episode

Well, let's not bury the lede here. This episode of Psycho-Pass 2 reveals a twist so stupid and hideous that it spits in the face of all the show's core themes and concepts. It's a story decision so poor that it basically dooms the rest of the season to wholesale incongruity with everything that came before it. I'm not gaming for hyperbole on this one: it's just that terrible. Before I get into the plot twist itself, I want to give a little more consideration to Tow Ubukata for what he tried to do right in the lead-up here. We definitely can't accuse him of trying to be someone he's not, and at least he's seemingly doing what he wants to do, with gusto.

It's easy for even very talented writers to mishandle plot, tone, or character logic when taking over a story they didn't create. It's extremely difficult to imitate the voice of someone completely different from you, and frankly, an artist shouldn't have to. Tow Ubukata should be free to use his own voice, but he can't on a restrictive project like Psycho-Pass where he has to play with so many firmly established rules and characters in what is rumored to be a "bottle season" of sorts that does not affect the franchise's upcoming feature film. It's been obvious from the beginning that Ubukata is much more interested in sensationalism and intrigue than the more psychologically and philosophically focused Urobuchi, and that's perfectly okay. Psycho-Pass is a cybercop show, after all. There's plenty of room for simple action and tangly conspiracies in Psycho-Pass, and it's easier to play in that sandbox when making a story that may have to eat its own tail by the end. If the end result is going to be self-contained and probably divisive, you might as well go all in and put your stamp on the thing! It's a sign of respect to the material, however, that a writer not go slathering their stamps all over the prior material that they did not create and clearly do not understand, and that's unfortunately what Ubukata's done here.

Kamui has not been altering the psycho-passes of his disciples through medication or brainwashing or anything like that. No no, those may have been small factors, but more than anything, they were red herrings. The true mad method underneath it all is more direct and disgusting. Kamui kidnaps citizens with clear psycho-passes and transplants their organs into clouded citizens and somehow this changes their Psycho-Pass. That's right. If you pack the liver, kidneys, or other meaty bits of a system-labeled nice person into a system-labeled mean person, it fools Sybil somehow! It's hoary old B-movie writing, and it flagrantly contradicts everything this story ever stood for thematically.

The show's titular "psycho-pass" has never been scientifically explained for good reason. Whether hues (day-to-day fluctuations) or crime coefficients (more permanent measurements) are read from brain waves, heart rates, or some kind of bio-scan isn't important. The show states that "scientists finally found a way to quantify the human soul" and that fulfills the device's role as a tool for social commentary. A person's psycho-pass is their personality, and one core theme of season one was that this personality is subject to change and should be free to endanger itself sometimes in order to grow and even be colored by the hues of others.

But no, apparently your psycho-pass is just part of your spine or your spleen somehow, and this is just a lame, baffling twist that adds nothing to the story or characters except a laugh at their expense. Forgive me for ever taking this story seriously or thinking it had anything to say beyond "but the hand they re-attached to him was the hand of a murderer!" histrionics. If Ubukata is not just a hacky writer who completely misunderstands the story he's been hired to continue, he must have a very low opinion of this show's audience and their intelligence.

There are plenty of other problems in this episode too. Akane is neutered even further to a weak-kneed shadow of herself, pining for Kogami so hard that she conflates him with Tougane even though the show has completely failed to make them even remotely similar beyond surface elements. There's a scene thrown in where Akane goes to visit her grandmother because she might be in danger. She isn't, but that's okay because the scene's real purpose was to create an excuse for grandma to tell the audience what kind of person Akane is, as all dialogue this season is wont to do. The Sibyl system still won't revoke Shisui's Inspector authentication, which is so moronic that the other characters have to comment on it and accuse the system of self-sabotage, (probably due to that one rogue brain that had better not be Makishima.) A gigantic plothole is also commented on by the show and dismissed by having Mika just irresponsibly forget to check her e-mail. Stupid scene after stupid scene drifts by, holding me at rapt and horrified attention.

Everything is falling apart as it escalates, and I can only watch in horror as it threatens to collapse the Psycho-Pass universe in ways that can't be rewritten. This show may not be terrible overall, and it definitely can't be accused of being boring, but the writing is fast becoming unfixably atrocious.

Rating: D-

Darkdrone said:
wall of text

deanzel said:

I saw this ANN "review" the other day as well and didn't know what to make of this part in particular. While I understood his criticisms of the characters and their development, literally half of the review is dedicated to him bashing the secret behind Kamui's loophole exploit of the Psycho-Pass system that he explained above. However, I thought that the method/mechanism behind Kamui's loophole or exploit wasn't fully revealed this episode (unless I am a complete idiot). There were definitely hints with the organs, retina contacts, holos, etc, but nothing so concrete as what this reviewer is talking about. At least that's what I thought as I watched this episode. Either I am a complete moron and everyone else here came to the same conclusion as this ANN reviewer (then please disregard my statements entirely), or he seems to be completely bashing this entire season largely based on some deduction that isn't even true (as of yet anyway).

However, if Kamui's exploit is revealed to be as simple as just transplanting someone's organs, I'll take back my defense of this show. However, I don't think that something so pedestrian is all that is behind how he is able to get around the Sibyl system (at least I pray it isn't).

kingcity20 said:


It's ANN you're talking about, the same place that calls Fate Stay Night and Nasu are sexist, even though Nasu has created some of the most self-empowered females in the genre. Ryougi Shiki and Touko Aozaki from Kara No Kyoukai, Alice Kounji and Aoko Aozaki from Mahou Tsuki No Yoru.
They claim to have read the FSN visual novel, and are called on it. So they decide to block anyone who disagrees with them in the comments
I wouldn't pay much attention to ANN reviewers honestly, although theres a few rare reviews here and there. Most of them don't even pay attention to what they are reviewing.

hassan0297 said:
I think the reason behind that the Psycho-Pass changes due to mass organ transplant is like this.The Cymatic Scan is performed on the person's brain.That means Sibyl first has to recognize the person himself.Changing the original internal structure and the external structure is like recreating a person from scratch.So if a person has done a lot of organ transplants and transplanted organs from various people changing his Bio-data.Like Saiga said "the DISCREPANCY would be treated as a margin of error".It means if the person has done one or two or at the least even 3 transplants the divergence would be small that it would be treated as a very short error but if a person does a whole lotta them then the divergence is gonna be so much that the system would deem it as illogical.That is true if there are less and small organ transplants but if a person does a lot of them then there would be a mismatch according to the data the Sibyl has on that person.A kind of like disagreement or a dissimilarity.Also we saw that Kamui's data was confidential.That's my best answer to this. :D

TmZ_Holymama said:
I've come to this conclusion before but I just hate the idea so much. Aoyanagi exploded into pieces before they even know who she is. This shouldn't be our jobs to fill up the plot holes. It should make sense in the first place.

TiamatNM said:
If doing organ transplants affects the psycho pass like that why does the number still change? Like, the old guy in episode 4. His CC was low even when he was doing bad stuff and then they were able to blow him up at the end of the episode cause it went up really high after Kamui left him. I really don't get it at all.