Hunter x Hunter (2011) Episode 108 Discussion

-GiaN- said:
DEMS Feels. The king is lolicon

masaba said:
This episode was incredible. It's been a while since a single episode of any anime has made me feel like this one did. That was actually an amazing performance by the king. Give the man his Oscar.

pkKodama said:

Oh yeah, and that's why I don't mind his hiatus.

Paul said:
I'm getting pretty tired of this honestly. I really do hope something actually happens soon.

Couldn't care less if it was perfectly or even adapted better that the manga, this is just getting a bit tedious to watch.

I'm aware of the King's character growth but all in all, I honestly don't care the slightest bit.

Paul said:
I'm getting pretty tired of this honestly. I really do hope something actually happens soon.

Couldn't care less if it was perfectly or even adapted better that the manga, this is just getting a bit tedious to watch.

I'm aware of the King's character growth but all in all, I honestly don't care the slightest bit.

Paul said:
I'm getting pretty tired of this honestly. I really do hope something actually happens soon.

Couldn't care less if it was perfectly or even adapted better that the manga, this is just getting a bit tedious to watch.

I'm aware of the King's character growth but all in all, I honestly don't care the slightest bit.

tsudecimo said:

I completely agree with you. This fits for what's happening in every episode but this one and that's only because I care about Komugi and the King other than that everything else is lackluster and not because of the lack of action.

Cresherhsm said:

Then what is the cause, poor writing? Lol. I'll admit that I found a few episodes such as 79, 89 and a few episodes in the 90s, specifically, 92, 94 and 96 to be sub-par for different reasons but mediocrity has been completely absent ever since we hit the 100s. When it comes to content? I barely have any complaints. A lot of things are happening and in my opinion, the episodes after the PT detour have been more than satisfactory. In two episodes (1 2/3 more episodes for the sake of accuracy), the start of the palace invasion will begin so I suggest putting the series on hold or enduring one more episode of build up before shit hits the fan and episodes become more action-packed.

Cresherhsm said:

Then what is the cause, poor writing? Lol. I'll admit that I found a few episodes such as 79, 89 and a few episodes in the 90s, specifically, 92, 94 and 96 to be sub-par for different reasons but mediocrity has been absent ever since we hit the 100s. When it comes to content? I barely have any complaints. A lot of things are happening and in my opinion, the episodes after the PT detour have been more than satisfactory. In two episodes (1 2/3 more episodes for the sake of accuracy), the start of the palace invasion will begin so I suggest putting the series on hold or enduring one more episode of build up before shit hits the fan and episodes become more action-packed.

The chimera arc so far is nowhere as good, exciting, captivating and thrilling as the yorkshin arc/ Genei ryodan arc.

tsudecimo said:

The chimera arc so far is nowhere as good, exciting, captivating and thrilling as the yorkshin arc/ Genei ryodan arc.

tsudecimo said:
I prefer something interesting, great interactions and character shine moments or a crazy development more than action.


The chimera arc so far is nowhere as good, exciting, captivating and thrilling as the yorkshin arc/ Genei ryodan arc.

tsudecimo said:

It doesn't have anything to do with poor writing, Togashi's writing is always well thought and consistent. The problem for me is the lack of excitement and the lack of significant events happening. Most people watching were impressed by how the chimera ant arc is dark and has death, I wasn't impressed at all or even remotely interested in that. I don't really feel any sort of tension from the fights with the chimera ants. This arc made me lose even more interest in Gon and care for him even less, he is always an after thought even though he is the protagonist, while some of the fans might like this, I honestly don't. His conflict so far has been done before ( him crying because he failed). So far I'm only interest in his future scene that will make him go berserk, but that's about it.

Yes those episodes were so and so and the whole fight to get into NGL with Gon and Killua against Knuckles have been a colossal waste of time IMHO. Killua's character development also bugged me, because it was dragged out, his monologue about his brother and fear of abandoning Gon was pretty repetitive.

I originally had it on hold for 8 episodes. And caught up a week ago and those were my thoughts:


''Damn I missed HxH, I think I listened to the ED song like 22 times or something. That said, I can't help but feel somewhat disappointed that the plot didn't move much, I was expecting some major plot developments or events before I marthoned the last 8 episodes. I'm not that interested in the abilities of some of the chimera ants, they are rather boring tbh, that cheeta and lion ( thank god he died) etc a lot of time is being wasted explaining their abilities and how they work. I wish they would just kill them early if they are not important, they keep making an appearance after another with nothing that affects the plot in a major way, I hope there is good reason for giving them that much screen time. I would much rather see more of the King and his body guards especially Neferpitou. The episodes are mainly just build up and I hope they pay off. I did enjoy the episodes but they are dragged out in some places and now I feel like I made a mistake since I'm back to waiting for a new episode each week.

The only thing that REALLY caught my interest and I loved was the introduction of Komugi. I loved her dialogue with the King, I was just glued to the screen during their scenes. Her character design is quirky which fits her. I'm really excited about her future role in the series and I feel like I'm gonna be mind blown with it, I can't wait for the big fight overall. Oh and Ikaglo is funny as fuck LOL.''


So far Komugi and the King and their interactions are the only events making this arc worth watching to me. I only had goosebumps and felt excitement during their scenes even though they weren't action scenes. I honestly don't like or rather not interested in action that much. I prefer something interesting, great interactions and character shine moments or a crazy development more than action.

The chimera arc so far is nowhere as good, exciting, captivating and thrilling as the yorkshin arc/ Genei ryodan arc.

Cresherhsm said:

I will argue that the last 10 episodes moved the plot forward significantly and that every single event during those episodes were relevant to the story. Gon's fight in episode 99 was necessary for his sub-plot with Meleoron. Killua's fight against Leol's squad was necessary for the development of his Kanmaru ability and introducing Ikalgo. Due to both of these sub-plots, Meleoron and Ikalgo are also incorporated into the Hunter team later on.

Cresherhsm said:
Morel and Knov's attacks in Peijing are necessary to tie down Pitou and hamper the progress of the selection. Of course, their disruption in the capital led them to an encounter with Leol and co. This is important for several reasons. One, it introduced Knov and Morel's abilities in greater detail as well as showcased their characters as warriors. Two, it led to the capture and death of Flutter which will be important later on. Three, Morel's fight with Leol and Cheetu made him use up most of his energy, which will be really important later on. Four, it gave Royal guards some ideas about their enemies powers (smoke and teleportation). Although not as important, Morel's words to Cheetu during their fight will also play a role later on

Cresherhsm said:
On the other hand, you have yet to be impressed with this arc so hey, different strokes for different folks. Hopefully, you'll end up liking this arc like I did.

tsudecimo said:
Well you obviously know stuff about the arc that I don't know because you read it. I'm aware that it's mostly build up for the palace invasion and I even mentioned it.


The plot did move forward but I don't agree that it was significant. At certain parts of these episodes, some scenes feel dragged out. I even remember you saying that in a couple of their episodes discussions. I don't know how important Ikaglo and Meleoron role in the upcoming battle but from the ED they seem to be relevant to the outcomes of the second half so I will give you that.

Why would Knovl scenes be important? he is already out of the story and the upcoming battle. Don't you feel the fight between cheeta and Morel was stupid and a waste of time? sure it might have showcased the personality of Morel and his hunter mindset etc but it was kinda pointless in the long run. I also feel Morel's students trying to defeat cheeta was a waste of time, what was the point of that? Will cheeta actually be significant later on ?

Cresherhsm said:

To give you an idea of how I view this arc so far, I believe that 76-88 (excluding episode 79) and 98-109 were solid stretches of HxH episodes with the former (76-88) being great and the latter (99-108) being excellent. If there's anything negative I have to point out about this arc it would be the inconsistency of the 90s. The 90s broke the consistent high level of enjoyment this adaption of HxH provided its viewers during its entire run. Although there were great episodes like 93 and 95, they were overwhelmed by the average and mediocre episodes surrounding them (89, 92, 94 and 96), which broke the series long time consistency. Moreover, although I enjoyed episodes 97 and 98, they had a few aspects that kept me from including them into the 99-108 solid episode stretch that I mentioned earlier.

As for your complaint about the current stretch lacking excitement and plot progression, I disagree. I won't argue with you about excitement because that's subjective but I will argue that the last 10 episodes moved the plot forward significantly and that every single event during those episodes were relevant to the story. Gon's fight in episode 99 was necessary for his sub-plot with Meleoron. Killua's fight against Leol's squad was necessary for the development of his Kanmaru ability and introducing Ikalgo. Due to both of these sub-plots, Meleoron and Ikalgo are also incorporated into the Hunter team later on. Morel and Knov's attacks in Peijing are necessary to tie down Pitou and hamper the progress of the selection. Of course, their disruption in the capital led them to an encounter with Leol and co. This is important for several reasons. One, it introduced Knov and Morel's abilities in greater detail as well as showcased their characters as warriors. Two, it led to the capture and death of Flutter which will be important later on. Three, Morel's fight with Leol and Cheetu made him use up most of his energy, which will be really important later on. Four, it gave Royal guards some ideas about their enemies powers (smoke and teleportation). Although not as important, Morel's words to Cheetu during their fight will also play a role later on. As for Knov's infiltration of the palace, the introduction of Komugi and her Gungi games with the King, I don't think I have to explain those. In the end, everything that has happened so far is completely relevant to the story. I guarantee you that after this arc is done, you'll come out with a more favorable outlook towards this portion of the arc and realize its importance to the story.


Although not everyone considers the CA arc to be the best HxH arc, most fans believe its climax, the palace invasion, to be the highest point in the series (the invasion is what makes this arc the closest contender to Yorknew. it's also the reason for most of the hype surrounding the CA arc). Personally, this is my second favorite arc after Yorknew and had it not been for its inconsistencies, it would've been my favorite. Most fans believe that this arc picked up steam and never looked back with the introduction with Komugi while I believe that it started with Gon's fight vs Bat and Owl. On the other hand, you have yet to be impressed with this arc so hey, different strokes for different folks. Hopefully, you'll end up liking this arc like I did.

tsudecimo said:
The plot did move forward but I don't agree that it was significant. At certain parts of these episodes, some scenes feel dragged out. I even remember you saying that in a couple of their episodes discussions.

Why would Knovl scenes be important? he is already out of the story and the upcoming battle.

sure it might have showcased the personality of Morel and his hunter mindset etc but it was kinda pointless in the long run. I also feel Morel's students trying to defeat cheeta was a waste of time, what was the point of that? Will cheeta actually be significant later on?

Leo's character felt like a complete waste of time, all that talk and screen time about him being a king and trying to overthrow Mermeu. In the end he was killed and his death wasn't important and didn't affect the plot in a major or even minor way.

so he can make Morel use most of his energy? there must have been a faster way to achieve this.

Komugi and her interactions and relationship development with the King are more than enough to make me like this arc and enjoy it. I will probably like the second half of the arc. Its just that it's weekly which is why it feels slower and it makes me impatient and want to see more impressive stuff.

Only 2 more episodes until shit hits the fan, right?

AnimageNeby said:

Interesting. Could you elaborate a bit on the contradictions/inconsistencies you've mentioned?

Cresherhsm said:
I didn't mean inconsistencies in that way, I meant inconsistencies when it comes to high level of enjoyment. In my opinion, the first 88 episodes of HxH were consistently great and the 90s (I’ll include 89 when I say the 90s) broke that consistency with a bunch of mediocre episodes. Of course, there were great episodes and good episodes but they were surrounded by mediocrity. This ruined the momentum and made any "solid stretch" impossible. However, ever since episode 99, the series is back to its consistent self, at least, that's how I see it.

GalekC said:
In case you remember my post on episode 96 - I did say that it exceeded my expectations. Maybe it seemed pretty "meh" for the most part, but I had come in expecting something exceptionally mediocre, with MadHouse not being in charge of its animation. I'd say the latter half of the episode was nicely done, as they had put a bit more care by then into the production (which had never happened before with those types of episodes.)

^^^This very episode (108) had been handled by the same team. Not bad, right?

Cresherhsm said:
Well to start off, I wasn't a big fan of the PT detour when I first watched it (coming off such a great set up episode, I was anxious to see where the main plot was headed). I still am, sort of, though I also understand that it was necessary to show the severity of the ant outbreak, give us more insights about Killua's brother and foreshadow a character who will appear in the future. I used to think that they should have expanded on the introduction and went back to the plot but finishing both episodes made me realize its necessity not only for the reasons above but also because Zazaan was given too much build up to be discarded as an afterthought. Still, I wish they (Togashi and the animation team) did things differently. As you said, the animation was subpar, most of the fights weren't interesting and some of the PT powers were a little too goofy for my taste (Bonolenov's Jupiter and Shalnark's auto pilot). Also, Bonolenov's voice also irritated me to no end.

neenalie said:
what brilliant writing!...

neenalie said:
HOW DID I END UP CARING ABOUT THE KING MORE THAN ANYTHING IN THIS ARC
like holy shit the character development
when he was first born i said he was the series best/worst villain ever. and now im torn. he's still the best villain, but for entirely different reasons, and i dont even see him as a villain anymore. i want him to be an anti-hero, i want him to learn and change and rule a little kingdom somewhere in shougi bliss with komugi.
what brilliant writing! the viewers were right there with the king's rollercoaster emotions. i was like, oh fuck no hes evil again what?? and then the whole crow scene and you could just feel his confusion/concern/frustration. you knew he was gonna murder that bitch of a crow

and theyre the ugliest, oddest, and most mismatched couple too. is that why its so endearing? i dont care about the invasion i just hope the king and komugi get a happy ending, which is fucked up cause he murdered like - everyone. itd be on the condition that he reforms, but i can see the mangaka creating some Shakespearian where he's incited into mindless rage and fucks up.

edit: im also getting attached to the kings guard from too much exposure. pitou was adorable with her "but i cant leave my post :(:(:(" stuff, and butterfly dude is hilarious and dramatic and cares too much.

Cresherhsm said:
Congratulations on catching up and..

you haven't seen anything yet.

SaSa777 said:
Woow you watched al those episodes in 2 days, damnnnnn you fast! but now u have to wait a whole week for 1 episode -_-

paulp1988 said:
Wasn't too bad an episode, but it just feels like filler to me at the moment...probably because i am dieing to see the chairman take on the king lol