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| My only concern with this episode was the whole mind-tripping that probably wasn't explained as it should have been, for the rest, you just have to think a little bit to understand it. It was clear since the first episode that this anime would not spoonfeed us everythings, so before calling something a plothole or a nonsense, try to analyse a bit the situation. |
AiCon said: Wild_Boy said: Not sure why Saki didn't bother to ask Satoru to do the same to her when they still relatively safe after they first came out of that hole. It would have made things a lot easier on the both of them had she done that.Most enjoyable episode yet. Takana_no_Hana said: I knew that she returned his mantra back, but the thing I didn't know that she has the power to do so, and why she didn't use it sooner after the monk was killed so she could return everyone's mantra back. She only knows Satoru's mantra. That's what the classroom scene was about. Not sure why she didn't do it earlier, maybe the idea never crossed her mind. Saki couldn't have asked Satoru because Satoru didn't know her mantra. Only Saki knew Satoru's. In the classroom scene, when they "exchange" mantras none of them can read in that second what the other's mantra is. BUT Saki, after Satoru leaves, Takes the papers on top of which Satoru wrote his mantra and does that pencil trick which allows her to read what was written on the paper above. That's because Satoru, when he wrote his mantra, pressed his pencil a bit too much thats why everything got "carved" in the papers under it. It's a trick that works great in real life too :))) That being said, I don't think there is any kind of "special power to return the mantra". Saki didn't have any kind of special power to do so, it's just that if you remember the monk scene, he said he will make them "forget" THEIR mantras. Saki remembers Satoru's mantra because she saw it written, that's all. And that's what she is whispering to him in his ear: his mantra. I suppose the monk didn't make them forget all mantras, only their own :P |
MorridineNov 3, 2012 10:46 AM
| ^ Somehow people in the west seem to like to call Japanese language Runes or Moonspeak... Took me a while to get used to it. |
symbvNov 3, 2012 11:51 AM
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| When I read all that is written in here... Sometimes I wonder if some of us pay attention to what they are watching before complaining or asking tons of question. If at this point, you didn't get how Saki knew his mantra... I don't know what you all watched cuz It was very clear how she knew it. Maybe this anime requires that you pay more attention and think a little, if you don't feel like doing it... then maybe it's not for you. |
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| I knew it was going to end as a shitty cliffhanger. And yeah. Saki should've had Satoru do the same thing to her so she could have her cantus as well. |
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pinotto90 said: Seems a guy who jumped in without reading posts and discussion we've already made. Not going to waste time if the person is not willing to spend some of his time learning what has already been discussed.DraconisMarch said: are you trolling?And yeah. Saki should've had Satoru do the same thing to her so she could have her cantus as well. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Damn, those rat creatures seemed shady as hell all throughout this episode and moreso after squealer's reaction to Saki :/ Hope nothing bad happens to Satoru. I've been rooting for him since last week lol. |
theamato said: seriously, if this novel wasn't written in runes, i would read the shit out of it. Yeah, it's a pretty good novel. Aidoru Translations is putting out a translation of the first two chapters, with a glossary of terms included. However, Aidoru won't be releasing the whole novel. Hopefully with the recent announcement of Yuusuke Kishi's works (including Shinsekai Yori) as being made available in eBook format on Amazon's Japanese-language store (for use on the Kindle Paperwhite, the first Kindle to support Japanese), more interest in a legitimate English translation will lead to such a release happening in the future. |
| I'm happy this episode was well animated, really good. |
| great episode.. enjoyed every minute.... next episode will probably be crazy. |
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| couldn't they just tell each other there mantra's? or after loosing there powers did they forget there own? but then be all happy and cool with there powers back? |
| So, ep 5 was so crappy that it made the beggining of this ep hard to understand to. If I hadn't read it here, I would've thought that the effect of the poison gas was a dream and that Satoru was just sleeping. Other than that, I can't really see why people think this is hard to understand or needs more attention. It's not hard to understand AT ALL, except when they do a crappy direction job and leave everything truncated, like they did in ep 5. Though the point raised about why couldn't satoru have just created a barrier and levitated Saki and himself to safety was good. There was no reason for him to care about the rat war and he would not be in such danger. And the animation is better but it's still far from what it was in the initial eps. theamato said: seriously, if this novel wasn't written in runes, i would read the shit out of it. LOL. They should just write everything in hiragana. It would be much simpler. Hell, they should just romanize their words. But yeah, culture and stuff... |
symbv said: Shoujo_Q said: One thing I really want to say:This. I think some people just don't have the cognitive ability and/or the patience to figure it out. This show really demands focus and thinking. though I would say that sometimes the directing in the anime may make things confusing or hard to understand... No one pays attention anymore, and it's a shame. Maybe that's why Shitty Art Online is so popular (then again, I kinda liked Guilty Crown). This anime has an amazing director being able to create the atmosphere and setting. It keeps me interested and looking forward to the next episode while not leaving so many questions that it becomes irritating (which is apparent with this kind of speculative fiction genre). |
| It's possible. Unfortunately, they didn't really show us the limits of the powers, so all we can do is guess. But I don't think he cares about the rats. |
Nichibotsu-kaeru said: couldn't they just tell each other there mantra's? or after loosing there powers did they forget there own? but then be all happy and cool with there powers back? They forgot their own mantras, but Saki knew Satoru's mantra. Satoru never knew Saki's mantra. |
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symbv said: OG-3 said: In short:I still don't understand how did Satoru get is powers back. Well, it doesn't matter. I hope next ep will be better. He was prevented from remembering the mantra needed to invoke his power and Saki took the advantage of Satoru's confused state (caused by poison gas) to trick Satoru into believing he undergoes the initiation rite again where he learns the mantra (which was told by Saki into his ear as she somehow knew what mantra Satoru uses) I don't think it was poison gas.. I think it was hypoxia due to lack of oxygen. They were stuck in an enclosed space. Saki knew Satoru's mantra. So she used his semi-conscious state to reenact the ceremony. Also why she rushed Satoru to break the ceiling to get to open air. I get the feeling the kids never lost their powers. It's just that they are psychology conditioned to think that their powers are tied to "mantras" and that they can be taken away by leaders. It seems like post-hypnotic suggestions bind them to certain rules, such as the "death feedback" effect the Monk was experiencing. |
| I think this episode can be understood quite well without any help. The only thin I can't put my mind around is why they care so much about killing the rats. It would be easier and safer to run or find shelter with the help of Satoru's new found powers. Even if they wanted revenge badly, I think they're main priority has to be going home and find their friends. It seems a bit unnecessary all this trouble they're going trough. Specially if there ir a chance they can go and find help to deal with the rats later. I didn't read the novel, so I can only talk about what I watched in the show. |
TehIshter said: No one pays attention anymore, and it's a shame. Maybe that's why Shitty Art Online is so popular (then again, I kinda liked Guilty Crown). Well, there's a difference between enjoying a show on a baser, action-packed level and actually enjoying a show that provokes thought and contains actual depth. Both have their place, but it's clear that Shinsekai Yori is aiming at the latter. |
Cirris said: It may look that way in the anime, but in the novel it is because of poison gas.I don't think it was poison gas.. I think it was hypoxia due to lack of oxygen. They were stuck in an enclosed space. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Miah said: I think this episode can be understood quite well without any help. The only thin I can't put my mind around is why they care so much about killing the rats. It would be easier and safer to run or find shelter with the help of Satoru's new found powers. Even if they wanted revenge badly, I think they're main priority has to be going home and find their friends. It seems a bit unnecessary all this trouble they're going trough. Specially if there ir a chance they can go and find help to deal with the rats later. - Over-confidence on the part of Satoru. He thinks with his power back he can finish everything in no time. - He considers the foreign rats a real threat (dared to capture, wound and gas him) and he wants to clear the threat now and here - His desire to take revenge (capture, wound and gas again) - Once he realized it is not that easy, he is already too deep in enemy territory - The continuing pleading and nudging of Squealers, whose tribe, which obeys the village, is almost wiped out. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Takuan_Soho said: The rats are humanoid in appearance so subconsciously it is causing a reaction to what their conditioning causes when they kill humans. Consider it a weakness in their conditioning. This is a common misunderstanding but it is critical to banish this idea if we want to understand the world in this novel/anime. I have written it before in the ep.5 thread and earlier in this thread ( http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=512527&show=40#msg18124597 ) But in short: There is absolutely no ill-effect for a human to use power to attack or kill queerats. Not in the case of the priest, not in the case of Satoru Everyone should repeat it a few times to make sure it sticks ;-) There is absolutely no ill-effect for a human to use power to attack or kill queerats. Not in the case of the priest, not in the case of Satoru There is absolutely no ill-effect for a human to use power to attack or kill queerats. Not in the case of the priest, not in the case of Satoru There is absolutely no ill-effect for a human to use power to attack or kill queerats. Not in the case of the priest, not in the case of Satoru |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| This was a really good episode, and a considerable improvement over the previous, but, unfortunately, it still feels noticeably lacking in comparison to the initial four episodes, due, in large part, to flawed, inconsistent execution. As such, the indistinct, surrealistic touches within the last two episodes, such as Saki's brief hallucination here and the collapse of the cave in the previous episode, disrupt the coherency of the narrative, creating, in effect, a disconnected sort of storytelling. Saki's brief hallucination was interesting, but ultimately confusing, particularly Shun's transformation into a minoshiro, which, though it seemingly held some importance, there wasn't any indicated meaning behind that portion of her bizarre vision. I quite liked how she used her memories to realize Satoru's mantra, though this moment would have likely been a bit more effective if this scene had occurred in a previous episode, rather then it being first mentioned by way of a newly discovered memory. My favorite sequence involved Saki opening Satoru's Cantus, as she recited the ritualistic words, while he began to scream in pain. It was a superbly realized sequence, and extremely atmospheric. I also like that, following his unexpected freedom, Satoru displays a temporary affinity for brutality, as he seemingly relished the ability to inflict violence, while also displaying a certain naivety, due to his unceasing desire to take the offensive. His thoughts and actions also appear to portray symptoms that could eventually turn him into a fiend or karma demon. It was quite surprising to find out that the Ground Spiders can assume different forms, which might potentially infer that their original form was that of a human. Squealer remains a complex, thoroughly mysterious character. The strange, foreboding framing within his brief appearances and the final, disturbing reaction he provided upon becoming suspicious of the possibility that Saki may not, in fact, currently wield the powers that they so fear and revere, indicates that he could be much more knowledgeable of their situation than he's willing to admit. He definitely seems to have slight ulterior motives, since he purposefully led them down a dangerous path for his own selfish gain. The ending alludes to further deception from him, since Saki and Satoru find themselves surrounded by the enemy, and, for whatever reason, the queerats appear to be unafraid. As such, the cliffhanger at the end was terrific in establishing the tense, unsettling tone for the next episode, and I'm really looking looking forward to seeing how they survive their imminent, extremely dangerous struggle. Satoru and Saki's interactions are great and increasingly engaging, since they've both gradually developed into a calmer understanding of one another and their emotions, rather than the innocently volatile interactions of their former youth, illustrated excellently in the brief opening, in which they confess to one another that they wouldn't have survived without the other, subtly, but effectively highlighting the gradual change in the nuances of their dynamic. Aside from the opening sequence, Saki's characterization was rather weak and repetitive in comparison to previous episodes, since, throughout the latter half of this episode, she was essentially a perpetually voiced plea for restraint and nothing more. Satoru was greatly intriguing throughout, as, following his Cantus returning, he begins to display a sort of ruthless, yet understandable, savagery towards the Ground Spider colony. It will be interesting to see what sort of consequences await his character; whether, due to human nature, he was predisposed to an inevitable lust for chaotic bloodshed or was it simply a direct result of his sudden energy and awakened focus. I also enjoyed how well the broad strength of his powers was depicted, such as the moment he uprooted several trees without much difficulty. The production values, for the most part, remain excellent, but, though quite improved over the last episode, the direction was disappointing and thoroughly unspectacular, and the editing was middling and occasionally disconcerting, due to it's haphazard manner of complicating the intended meaning behind several moments. Musically, this episode was quite good, but somewhat inconsistent. The musical selection that was used during the scene in which Saki reawakens Satoru's Cantus was particularly beautiful, illuminating a distinctly wistful melancholy, which contrasted the painful process within the moment in a wonderfully complementary manner. There were a few selections though, such as the majority of those used during the few action sequences, that weren't nearly as effective or suitably atmospheric as the others. The scene transitions were far better throughout, allowing for a more comprehensive, understandable view of the situation, rather than the chaotic uncertainty derived from the poor transitions that plagued the last episode. This episode was visually subdued, since, above all, there was a noticeable lack of striking imagery, which typically suffuses each episode. I love that the original character designs have returned, since the altered versions were much less impressive and they certainly weren't well-suited for extended movement. The animation was, thankfully, much improved over the last episode. The CGI, on the other hand, was quite jarring and far too prevalent, distracting most notably during one of the final attacks, as boulders flew towards Saki and Satoru. All in all, despite several flaws of a, hopefully, temporary nature, From the New World contiues to excel with a considerably intriguing narrative and increasingly interesting characters, as well as it's excellent depiction of a desolate, seemingly abandoned society. Although the writing and, by extension, the story, continues to be fantastic and endlessly compelling, the mediocre direction has, over the last two episodes, diminished the satisfaction of several important moments, essentially faltering, if only slightly, in an area that was one of it's strongest elements before the last two episodes. |
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| Every time I see queerats being killed, I feel sick. I just can't stop thinking that the queerats are actually humans with no Psychokinesis and the kids are just hypnotized to see them as beasts. Even in episode 5, the blow dog seemed like a suicide bomber, the bones seemed like shurikens (their weapons?), and the egg seemed like a grenade. It's as if everything they see are illusions and they're actually doing bad by killing queerats using PK... |
VerneJules said: Except they are not hypnotized to see them as beasts. They truly see them as beasts. Every time I see queerats being killed, I feel sick. I just can't stop thinking that the queerats are actually humans with no Psychokinesis and the kids are just hypnotized to see them as beasts. VerneJules said: Just one thing:Even in episode 5, the blow dog seemed like a suicide bomber, the bones seemed like shurikens (their weapons?), and the egg seemed like a grenade. The egg is not a blow dog's but a kind of snake's. They produce this kind of eggs to protect their nest - if a predator comes and eat the egg, thinking it is the real egg, then it will be killed once the egg is inside and gets digested. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I have to say that this episode was very confusing. Saki went on a trip to rainbow land, and then Shun turned into the "library" huh? Really didn't make much sense. I can only guess, but was it for Saki gain confidence so that she could restore Satoru's Cantus or was there a more spiritual thingy that just randomly popped up or it is a symbol for something later in the anime? Why did she go to rainbow land, was it because she was dying or was she high for some reason? I really hope that those questions will be answered in an understandable way later on. So many questions from just that ONE scene. I really hope that the novel will be translated from those hieroglyphics into a readable language xD things would probably make much more sense and it would be exciting to read Saki's thoughts. But I guess that I have to re-watch all the other episodes once more, don't remember much. |
dwanex said: This may help youI have to say that this episode was very confusing. Saki went on a trip to rainbow land, and then Shun turned into the "library" huh? Really didn't make much sense. I can only guess, but was it for Saki gain confidence so that she could restore Satoru's Cantus or was there a more spiritual thingy that just randomly popped up or it is a symbol for something later in the anime? Why did she go to rainbow land, was it because she was dying or was she high for some reason? I really hope that those questions will be answered in an understandable way later on. So many questions from just that ONE scene. . http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=512527&show=40#msg18125005 You may also want to check my other posts in this thread (two of which I include here) http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=512527&show=40#msg18124597 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=512527&show=40#msg18124629 If you come to a Shinsekai Yori thread a few days after its first broadcast date (like now), you may want to check the old posts first because we usually go over all the confusions and details about the events in the episode in the first day or two after its broadcast. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: dwanex said: This may help youI have to say that this episode was very confusing. Saki went on a trip to rainbow land, and then Shun turned into the "library" huh? Really didn't make much sense. I can only guess, but was it for Saki gain confidence so that she could restore Satoru's Cantus or was there a more spiritual thingy that just randomly popped up or it is a symbol for something later in the anime? Why did she go to rainbow land, was it because she was dying or was she high for some reason? I really hope that those questions will be answered in an understandable way later on. So many questions from just that ONE scene. . http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=512527&show=40#msg18125005 You may also want to check my other posts in this thread (two of which I include here) http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=512527&show=40#msg18124597 http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=512527&show=40#msg18124629 Thanks, but I really have to say that scene was some abstract stuff. Still doesn't make sense why Shun appeared and became a "library". |
dwanex said: This is hallucination stuff you know. That is not supposed to make sense anyway. All we can tell is Shun and the Library are some of things that made the deepest impression to her which is why she saw them in her hallucination.I really have to say that scene was some abstract stuff. Still doesn't make sense why Shun appeared and became a "library". |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Looks like saki figured at least some of the lies out when she hypnotized satorou in his sleep, making him believe he has his powers back. I wonder when she overcomes her own belief that her powers were taken from her. Other than that, I'm a bit suspicious about those allied queerats |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
| I felt bad when Satoru killed all those queerats, doubt he can do anything against that army. |
| The war against those spiders is kinda boring me a little. I hope this doesn't last forever. A good episode, though, but, where are the others? We'll see them? |
"Nobody knows what the future holds. That's why its potential is infinite"- Rintarou Okabe |
| Saki,did you ate some strange mushroom? you are seeing some strange things. |
| Still pretty hard to following this series. What are they even doing exactly? I wonder how the rest of the group's doing too. |
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| This is a quality series. |
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| The entire episode summarized in 4 lines: "SATORI STAHP" "NO I KILL DEM" "STAHP!!" "NO!!" It was frustrating and incredibly boring. I still have hope for this anime though, since I loved the first and fourth episode. I just hope the seventh will be awesome as well. |
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| I'm loving this anime very much but I still don't know what the heck is going on lol I'm glad I started this serie today and not at the beginning of the season (the plot is very, very, VERY slow; it just started what the summary said with those last episodes orz) |
NemuriNezumiNov 4, 2012 7:04 PM
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| Seems like Saki went on a serious acid trip. Now that i think about it, this entire series is pretty trippy. Things went from a simple trip, to almost sex-scene, to some random war with rats and Saki suddenly having the power to bring people's Mantra back (does everyone have that power or something assuming you know their mantra name? She's got really good memory to memorize that entire ceremony). Those rats are up to something. The nervous twitch when Saki protested against going into the bamboo forest gave me a bad vibe. |
VyudaliNov 4, 2012 7:22 PM
| what the hell man, this ep was just Satoru fucking shit up |
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Takuan_Soho said: My most major criticism about the anime is how it manages to confuse watchers and misleads them to draw wrong conclusion. I am fine about room of interpretation so if someone said Saki's hallucination was caused by lack of air instead of poison gas, I would not complain much. But this is different, because the whole story of Shinsekai Yori is based squarely on the relationship between human and squeerats, and the novel makes it very clear from early on that human is at a dominant position over sqeerats and would not hesitate to use violence against them if they think it is needed. They only tolerate the rats because they provide cheap source of labor and treat them just a little above the beasts. Without this understanding, it is likely that wrong conclusion will be drawn in subsequent scenes in the story, which would not be the intention when reading the novel. Curious should I have been able to pick this up from the episodes I have watched, or is this something you know from the novels? Takuan_Soho said: Basically any "evidence" you saw that seems to imply human gets hurt when he attacks sqeerats is not "evidence". It is just interpretation drawn from the anime that goes against what is made clear in the novel. I would say the anime definitely has not done a good job to establish this fact unequivocally, as the ability and willingness of human to attack and kill squeerats with abandon is a major theme in this novel.Would be nice to know whether there is something to look for, rather than to waste time looking for something that isn't there yet. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
symbv said: This part, I didn't quite get. Not sure if you're saying that squeerats are really beasts, or that PK users seeing older PK-less humans as squeerats not by hypnotism but by other means such as genetic manipulation.Except they are not hypnotized to see them as beasts. They truly see them as beasts. symbv said: Well, sorry for my misleading sentence. Yeah, I know it wasn't the blow dog's egg. But if the idea that squeerats are humans is true and that they're just seeing them as such, it's unthinkable that a human would actually eat such egg. I thought it was some sort of representation that they were seeing.VerneJules said: Just one thing:Even in episode 5, the blow dog seemed like a suicide bomber, the bones seemed like shurikens (their weapons?), and the egg seemed like a grenade. The egg is not a blow dog's but a kind of snake's. They produce this kind of eggs to protect their nest - if a predator comes and eat the egg, thinking it is the real egg, then it will be killed once the egg is inside and gets digested. |
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