What do you think about Western studios, especially Netflix, starting to release their own "anime"?

@Kristiwazhere Are you talking about shows like Avatar or Totally Spies?

@RobertBobert
Please do not respond to my comments.



Mod Edit: Removed baiting.

@RobertBobert They may be referring to show like Oban Star Racers which was a collaboration between a French and Japanese studio but primarily developed & storyboarded in France, the shows creator was pretty vocal about how anime served as an inspiration for the project and was part of why he wanted to work with a Japanese animation company to bring the project to life.

@Kristiwazhere So, you replied in my thread, but when I replied to you, you suddenly decided to play the victim of my "trolling and phobia". Okey, good.

@deltahalo241 Perhaps, but I am no longer interested in the opinions of people who first draw my attention and then demonstratively say that they don’t need it.

@RobertBobert
This isn't your thread, you are not the OP of it, unless you are outing yourself as using an alt.

@RobertBobert
This isn't your thread, you are not the OP of it, unless you are outing yourself as using an alt.

@Kristiwazhere What are you talking about, he did actually make this thread o.O
Also why are you posting on a public forum if you don't want people to reply to you, never mind that you can actually ignore users, and hide all their posts...

@EnderVsqz626 You didn't use it, but you made take, that if an ignorant person in childhood can't distinguish anime from Western animation, then it's the same thing. To which I gave you an example showing the viciousness of such logic. Everything is fair. I don't live in a cave in a distant forest. I have the Internet and that was enough to get the necessary information and further develop the accumulated knowledge. This is precisely an argument for ignorance.



Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post.

Um, you should have noticed that the original comment in the thread was collapsed because you added OP to your ignore list.

@RobertBobert
The forum redesign makes it very easy to miss.

@Kristiwazhere I am literally the OP of this thread. And you just got rude to me out of nowhere after I innocently asked you to clarify your comment by naming other anime-influenced shows.

@JaniSIr This thread has become too toxic for no apparent reason.

@RobertBobert Mentioning Netflix always has a chance to steer the conversation sideways, but I did not expect this that's for sure.

@Kristiwazhere Eh... Anyway, try to be more attentive next time. So that you don't have to communicate with people you don't like, and so that I don't have to see passive-aggressive responses in my own thread.

@EnderVsqz626 First, no one called you ignorant. Obviously, that was your attempt to make a weird argument by appealing to ignorance. Using the argument to ignorance does not make you ignorant yourselfs yet. Second, I only created my account in 2012, which doesn't mean I hadn't watched anime before that. Third, my very first conscious anime viewing was Pokemon, as it was first directly promoted in Eastern Europe as an anime show. Obviously, before that, I cared too little about distinguishing between Japanese and Western animation and didn't even know that such a thing as anime existed. But I also didn't know Hollywood existed, which is hardly proof that non-Hollywood movies are indistinguishable from Hollywood.

@RobertBobert
Well, bro, then we're even because I also watched anime before 2019 (which was when I created my account).

Pokémon, Digimon, and Yokai Watch, but in the same way as you: I cared very little about distinguishing between Japanese and Western animation, and I didn't even know anime existed. And by the way, they were also promoted in Latin America.

I'm getting the ignorance thing from this you posted: Appeal to ignorance I don't know why the heck you brought that link?

Something I just read: The virtue of ignorance is that it allows us to be bold and explore new things that we might be wary of because they carry labels and other people's ideas. This leads us to reflect a little, because the modern world focuses so much on what other people think that we forget to explore ourselves, whether we like it or not.

To give an example: I see you're watching Anne Shirley without having seen Akage no Anne, which is from 1979. Does that make you ignorant? No, right? Because maybe you know that the 2025 version is a remake of the 1979 version.
Having clarified with that answer you gave me: I didn't even know something called anime existed.
We were both literally young and didn't give a damn what an anime was, because, after all, anime arrived in our countries in the language of those countries.

@RobertBobert
Well, bro, then we're even because I also watched anime before 2019 (which was when I created my account).

Pokémon, Digimon, and Yokai Watch, but in the same way as you: I cared very little about distinguishing between Japanese and Western animation, and I didn't even know anime existed. And by the way, they were also promoted in Latin America.

I'm getting the ignorance thing from this you posted: Appeal to ignorance I don't know why the heck you brought that link?

Something I just read: The virtue of ignorance is that it allows us to be bold and explore new things that we might be wary of because they carry labels and other people's ideas. This leads us to reflect a little, because the modern world focuses so much on what other people think that we forget to explore ourselves, whether we like it or not.

To give an example: I see you're watching Anne Shirley without having seen Akage no Anne, which is from 1979. Does that make you ignorant? No, right? Because maybe you know that the 2025 version is a remake of the 1979 version.
Having clarified with that answer you gave me: I didn't even know something called anime existed.
We were both literally young and didn't give a damn what an anime was, because, after all, anime arrived in our countries in the language of those countries.

I've seen the castlevania show talked about. Maybe its as good as they say, but...meh. I'm not especially a fan of animation in general but for anime specifically. I don't have any faith in western animation to scratch the itch that anime does. Pretty sure lots of people feel the same way so I dont see western animation as a threat. I don't have a netflix account anyway. Plus it's probably got a lot of subversive shit in it and I am so tired of that.

I think it because in the west there is still a stigma against 'Cartoon' and the 'Adult Cartoons' have never managed to catch on. Sure series like South Park and American Dad managed to catch on - but those all essentially kept to one style of formula - mostly family centric drama (in the case of the Seth McFarland shows) and comedy. Or just political satire in the case of South Park.

Mature, introspective adult cartoons mostly built around season spanning conflicts, plots and action haven't really ever been normalized as a 'Cartoon'. Attempts were made several times in fact.

We had Todd McFarland's Spawn,



Or Stan Lees Stripperella,



And G.I. Joe: Resolute,



But compared to the same time period to the wealth of mature anime and no wonder why it ended up becoming synonymous with the term 'adult cartoon'.

Loved to see the whole thread malding that it's not anime while Arcane looks better than like 99% of anime that's come out in the last decade. Y'know maybe it not being anime is a good thing then.

I think it because in the west there is still a stigma against 'Cartoon' and the 'Adult Cartoons' have never managed to catch on. Sure series like South Park and American Dad managed to catch on - but those all essentially kept to one style of formula - mostly family centric drama (in the case of the Seth McFarland shows) and comedy. Or just political satire in the case of South Park.

Mature, introspective adult cartoons mostly built around season spanning conflicts, plots and action haven't really ever been normalized as a 'Cartoon'. Attempts were made several times in fact.

We had Todd McFarland's Spawn,



Or Stan Lees Stripperella,



And G.I. Joe: Resolute,



But compared to the same time period to the wealth of mature anime and no wonder why it ended up becoming synonymous with the term 'adult cartoon'.

As Mourinho said, ‘If I talk, I'm in big trouble’. That's how negative my opinion is of Netflix or other Western studios that produce anime. Western studios are greedy and see anime as another way to spread their propaganda and agenda.

@epidemia78 @Anjuro

We get it, you are so cool and edgy for not liking western media. Thanks for sharing it with the rest of the class.

Wasn't avatar an anime like this from years ago? Haven't they already been doing this for years? Anime is Anime, Yes it is traditionally Japanese but I don't think somebody HAS to be Japanese to make an anime as long as they stay Authentic to the Anime style that makes it an Anime. Just like somebody doesn't have to be Japanese to make a roll of sushi or be Italian to make a pizza.

@epidemia78 @Anjuro

We get it, you are so cool and edgy for not liking western media. Thanks for sharing it with the rest of the class.

@JoeChip I do actually like western media. Blackadder for example is one of my favourite works of all time, I just don't like recent stuff with very few exceptions

If sites dedicated to keeping track of anime can't even fully line up with each other, why should I care? During my admittedly too short of a break from this forum, I had recently just remembered I had an account on Anilist. You know what I saw while over there? The freaking Lord of the Rings movie. The Rick and Morty anime. Even the Rick and Morty shorts that MAL actually added and then decided to remove in what I assume was some bipolar episode. Oh look at that. I just found Scott Pilgrim on there too. The only consistency is the lack of consistency...Both MAL and Anilist agree a Chinese movie like Nezha and it's sequel belong in their database. Both agree the new Netflix Devil May Cry series doesn't belong. Yet there's a disconnect here with the other things I mentioned.

This fixation on what is or isn't anime is ridiculous. When I recently watched the first two seasons of Blood of Zeus, I immediately noticed it was initially tabled as a "Netflix original anime". I knew right away that wasn't going to fly. Sure enough, got to season 2, that was removed. It was clearly an unnecessary marketing thing, but this told me two things. One, someone must have thought they needed to do this to draw in viewers for whatever reason. Two, someone was bugged enough by that that it was later removed. Now I don't know the exact numbers that show pulled, but it is currently set to get an actual conclusion really soon, so I don't think viewers ultimately gave a shit if it was labeled an anime or not. Further proven by Devil May Cry doing well viewer wise even though they didn't go the route of advertising it as an anime. Yet..For some reason, I still see people ask if Avatar is an anime .And my thought remains, "why does it matter?"

@Anjuro

Have you watched shows like Shogun for example, which has a very Japanese feel, or the Expanse maybe?