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FMmatron said: VolKur said: @FMmatron even though I believe that citizen of Ebisu town will be healed but I want them to stay like that forever. Yeah, We have to wait for 1 week to see Luffy Gear 5th properly. I also prefer Gear 4th snake man design as of now but I could change it after seeing Gear 5th abilities. And what do you think of Zoro's situation? R.I.P. Gum Gum Fruit(1997-2022)!! Indeed R.I.P. It's been nice, lmao But this reminded me of what Oda said at Jump Festa  His announcement definitely delivered and now we know what he meant with "I hope I can draw it well" As for Zoro. My guy might complete the new reborn "Monster Trio" The power ups this arc have been insane. Ayu_01 said: @Volkur damn bro thats the best theory I have read in a while and it is totally plausible but dang that would really suit the tone lets wait. It will be interesting to see how Luffy uses Gear 5 in next chapter Inb4 flashback right when the fight is about to get ultra lit. I wouldn't be mad xD Yeah, the power ups are ridiculously powerful in wano, but I'm not surprised because except luffy, not a single straw hat have used their power upto 100% in post time skip. And every powerup of each straw hat in this raid are sensible and there is a reason behind there powerups. |
FMmatron said: VolKur said: @FMmatron even though I believe that citizen of Ebisu town will be healed but I want them to stay like that forever. Yeah, We have to wait for 1 week to see Luffy Gear 5th properly. I also prefer Gear 4th snake man design as of now but I could change it after seeing Gear 5th abilities. And what do you think of Zoro's situation? R.I.P. Gum Gum Fruit(1997-2022)!! Indeed R.I.P. It's been nice, lmao But this reminded me of what Oda said at Jump Festa His announcement definitely delivered and now we know what he meant with "I hope I can draw it well" As for Zoro. My guy might complete the new reborn "Monster Trio" The power ups this arc have been insane. Ayu_01 said: @Volkur damn bro thats the best theory I have read in a while and it is totally plausible but dang that would really suit the tone lets wait. It will be interesting to see how Luffy uses Gear 5 in next chapter Inb4 flashback right when the fight is about to get ultra lit. I wouldn't be mad xD @Fmmatron I am just not ready to say bye to Kaido.I counted chapterrs after which each villian gets defeated after PU so Doffy gets defeated in two chap(if you remove fillers) and Kata in 3. Kaido if and only if he has awkanening will go passt 3 chapters but considerng scenario I dont think he has one but pls Oda give my boy awakning and FB |
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Danpmss said: @VolKur Badass theory, I think we are getting really productive with the speculation because of how big this chapter was lol @FMmatron Btw, had we ever have an explicit confirmation on how Red Hawk worked, even a joke one by Oda? I've been thinking about how it produced flames underwater with no oxygen or friction to be effectively had, and also had Ace imagery and namesake kanji. Everybody usually just treated it as Rule of Cool since forever and as a symbolic blaze. All of a sudden it makes a lot more sense considering Marco's legendary Zoan special flames, and Luffy's Fruit Sun God status. It's also the one attack Kaido HAS to evade. Nope, as far as I remember there hasn't been anything on Red Hawk in an SBS. Perhaps there's more info in one of the data books. Would be cool if someone could offer an educated take. So yeah, in this new context Red Hawk makes a whole lot more sense, but I'm lowkey having a déjà vu right now. I'm sure I had a discussion with someone about Red Hawk or maye it was Diable Jambe before and my answer was that Oda is using fire based attacks for many characters. Still, another aspect to consider for sure. In fact, I was always wondering how some of Luffy's attacks are even possible. Like Kong Organ for instance  Good shit that there's more speaking for this reveal than against it. @Volkur faxx. Especially Sanji and Robin were finally able to go all out. @Ayu_01 Well, if you include Luffy's recovery time then Doffy lasted about 5-6 chapters post Gear 4th activation and Kaido is built different. I still think it takes quite a bit before he's beaten for good. |
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| this chapter had that childhood which now shounen jump is lacking massively due to excessive gore and action(not that i complain) |
| this chapter had that childhood which now shounen jump is lacking massively due to excessive gore and action(not that i complain) |
| this chapter had that childhood which now shounen jump is lacking massively due to excessive gore and action(not that i complain) |
| this chapter had that childhood which now shounen jump is lacking massively due to excessive gore and action(not that i complain) |
| I don't know why they have bro looking bald in Gear 5. I think Oda took Sun God too literally when he decided to put Luffy's head on fire...  |
-Kara said: I don't know why they have bro looking bald in Gear 5. I think Oda took Sun God too literally when he decided to put Luffy's head on fire... if it's fire that's so much better :> As straight hair it just doesn't look right. |
| Absolute trash of an asspull. A bad chapter and arc overall. And people said peak fiction, this fandom is deluded, beyond help. |
Ardis_Weard79 said: Absolute trash of an asspull. A bad chapter and arc overall. And people said peak fiction, this fandom is deluded, beyond help. Except we have been getting fed direct information leading to this reveal and power up for basically a year now. You should update your definition of asspull, this isn't it. |
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Ardis_Weard79 said: Absolute trash of an asspull. A bad chapter and arc overall. And people said peak fiction, this fandom is deluded, beyond help. lol Look at the poll results and tell me who is the deluded one here. Sure, someone who does not even know what an asspull actually is is the "big brain" in this thread. Stop being so mad that you are part of a tiny minority. In my humble opinion its you people who are deluded. How in the holy hell can you not absolutely love this amazing chapter? Dropping the series? Are you insane? lol |
Cetvrti_Magi said: Ardis_Weard79 said: Absolute trash of an asspull. A bad chapter and arc overall. And people said peak fiction, this fandom is deluded, beyond help. So there is at least one person here with brain. Usually I don't reply in the comments, this time I did just because of the sheer amount of ass licking here towards "GODA". it's just mind-blowing. if it was any other author, people would even abuse them, but here it's treated like the second coming of Shakespeare. I really wonder how many people just don't have energy to write something normal after seeing all of this fanboy hell. Thanks for your reply, cuz I don't really expect a lot from here, except of some "u idiot", "Goda" bs |
Ardis_Weard79 said: Usually I don't reply in the comments, this time I did just because of the sheer amount of ass licking here towards "GODA". it's just mind-blowing. if it was any other author, people would even abuse them, but here it's treated like the second coming of Shakespeare. I really wonder how many people just don't have energy to write something normal after seeing all of this fanboy hell. Thanks for your reply, cuz I don't really expect a lot from here, except of some "u idiot", "Goda" bs Oh, sure. All those people with the right opinion (according to you) just do not have the energy to post. It simply CAN.NOT.BE. that you are in a very clear minority. Funny that you people always have to make up shit to cope with reality. |
De_Baer said: Ardis_Weard79 said: Usually I don't reply in the comments, this time I did just because of the sheer amount of ass licking here towards "GODA". it's just mind-blowing. if it was any other author, people would even abuse them, but here it's treated like the second coming of Shakespeare. I really wonder how many people just don't have energy to write something normal after seeing all of this fanboy hell. Thanks for your reply, cuz I don't really expect a lot from here, except of some "u idiot", "Goda" bs Oh, sure. All those people with the right opinion (according to you) just do not have the energy to post. It simply CAN.NOT.BE. that you are in a very clear minority. Funny that you people always have to make up shit to cope with reality. I have no problem with being in the minority, I speak my true and honest opinion, no one is making anything up. The only ones that can't cope with reality are people that think that it's some great foreshadowing / "peak fiction" (lmao) and will find some bs to come up with just to protect a blatant fact that the author f*cked up and that the pace and story are going downhill since the start of Wano. He dragged the previous arcs too much and now he's rushing to finish it. Let's not even start about the fact that Kaido could kill Luffy numerous times, but instead he's just ruined as a villain. He should've been a different gravy from all the previous antagonists, but in the end he became a plot-convenient pratt. I rest my case. We won't agree on anything with you, so I'll stop right here. I wish you a wonderful day) |
Cetvrti_Magi said: Numbers don't matter here. Fact that we are in minority doesn't mean that we are wrong. Sure, numbers do not matter. At least as long as they are not in your favour, amirite? Well, at least the other guy is pretty dead ass wrong when he calls the developments in this chapter an asspull. This is not a matter of opinion. Also, why not try and explain WHY you think this chapter is bad. If you would actually present some arguments then we could at least have a basis for a discussion. Coming into a thread and posting things like "Waaah, asspull!!!" and "UUUUH You are all idiots becuz u liek dis!!!" really hurts your credibility. |
| Truly, a blessed time to be a One Piece fan. This is the start or so many good and thoughtful discussions. |
CG-Silver said: Nidhoeggr said: Extremely controversial decision by Oda to go for a unique Zoan fruit based on someone that has - by Oda's standards - barely been fareshadowed. Nika wasn't namedropped in Skypeia at all (and you could argue that a large part of the mythology applied to the giant snakes being revered as sun gods back then due to Aztec myths as a theming device) and both Who's Who randomly spouting conspiracies at Jimbei 30 chapters ago as well as this weird conversation by the Gorosei seem very hamfisted compared to Oda's usual style. Even though Nika wasn't namedropped earlier, I believe introducing Joyboy way earlier in the series served as an adequate pre-cursor to the current events. Moreover, Luffy's durability and immediate recovery time can now partially be credited to his Zoan fruit abilities (since Zoan's are known to recover quicker and be more durable). *Moreover, ever since the start of the series, the fact that Shanks even had the Gomu Gomu no Mi was enough of a hint that it wasn't going to be a simple rubber fruit.* And I think credit shouldn't be taken away from Luffy for using it so innovatively. So, Luffy's fruit being special isn't even the most surprising thing or the biggest deal. BUT what I'm surprised about is why no one is mentioning the elephant in the room. The Gorosei mentions that Luffy's fruit is "The most ridiculous power in the world". I don't believe they mean it in the sense that the fruit is especially too powerful or anything. I believe they used this phrase to signify that it has a ridiculous ability to inspire others. So, the questions really begs: Throughout the series, Luffy was shown to be a magnetic and inspiring personality, the freest man alive. Was it all just Luffy or was it the devil fruit? “Sun God” was indeed dropped in Skypiea, just not the name of Nika, although, his silhouette was foreshadowed there.  |
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| Now that was great, Gear 5 design looks pretty sick. Big OOF from the world government LMAO. All they achieved was making Luffy into a literal god. |
De_Baer said: Sure, numbers do not matter. At least as long as they are not in your favour, amirite? Also, why not try and explain WHY you think this chapter is bad. If you would actually present some arguments then we could at least have a basis for a discussion. Coming into a thread and posting things like "Waaah, asspull!!!" and "UUUUH You are all idiots becuz u liek dis!!!" really hurts your credibility. So you are saying the numbers are good and represent the right idea because we are inside an anime forum, dedicated to the manga of One Piece, where most people will lick oda´s ass because that´s the majority of the fandom in a nutshell. Damn, that´s as smart as asking which sport do you prefer, boxing or mma? inside an MMA forum/social page. Even then, I turned my brain off during wano. Way too much shonen shit happening in this parc, way too many asspulls and power ups out of nowhere, and definitively too many events happening at the same time which ends up deviating the main plot. Like, most people in onigashima haven´t done anything in the past 15 chapters because everything is so fragmented. The power up and the subsequent "It wasnt the gomu gomu, it was a mythical zoan all along" is and "actually" moment. It is as sudden and delicate of a statement as Kishimoto saying he didn´t have a single clue on how to kill Madara. To me it is an interesting turn of events beacause it will change the outcome of the series, for the better or worse, and also for the fact that Luffy is now capable of truly 1v1 a yonko, which means no one in the marine can do shit against him except the almirants. My point is, as good as Oda is planning stuff, this was absolutely an idea coming out of nowhere. |
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Pakumen- said: So you are saying the numbers are good and represent the right idea because we are inside an anime forum, dedicated to the manga of One Piece, where most people will lick oda´s ass because that´s the majority of the fandom in a nutshell. Damn, that´s as smart as asking which sport do you prefer, boxing or mma? inside an MMA forum/social page. My point is, as good as Oda is planning stuff, this was absolutely an idea coming out of nowhere. You would be right if every single chapter would get numbers like this one. This is not the case at all. 5/5 getting around 86% with (at this point in time) 450+ votes is actually extremely rare. And besides that, even outside of this forum you can clearly see that most people really liked this chapter. And you basically calling those people "Oda asslickers" puts you in the same boat as the other 2. Grow up! And how anyone can seriously claim that everything surrounding Luffy being Joyboy is "an idea coming out of nowhere" is beyonde me. It is like, dude did you really read the series at all? Or did you stop paying attention at some point? There have been so many hints that i do not even know where to start. The most obvious ones where Luffy being able to produce fire out of nowhere (Red Hawk), creating multiple fists out of nowhere (King Organ Gun) and being able to change trajectory of his attacks in mid-air (Culverin). There is even more but if I would list all of it this post would turn into a small essay. There are enough threads on twitter, reddit or youtube videos for you to watch regarding this topic. VolKur said: @De_Baer sorry to tell you this but I think you are in wrong! It's not like I didn't like the chapter. I loved the chapter, it is my 2nd favourite chapter in one piece so far. But you cannot say that @Ardis_Weard79 & @Cetvrti_Magi are in minority or they are wrong. Everyone has their own opinion and they have the right to write their opinion here, that's the whole reason social media is there. So, you can write your opinion. If they didn't like the chapter then it's ok, it's their opinion, not yours or mine. I hope you understand it properly. I can say that they are in a minority with their opinion based on poll results and overall reception of the chapter on various platforms on the internet. Its overhwhelmingly positive. Sorry, but its just a fact. Also those 2 came into this thread with a bad attitude and called people who liked this chapter "deluded fanboys" or "brainless". This is not stating an opinion, this is being an asshole. |
De_BaerMar 25, 2022 7:12 PM
De_Baer said: You would be right if every single chapter would get numbers like this one. This is not the case at all. 5/5 getting around 86% with (at this point in time) 450+ votes is actually extremely rare. And besides that, even outside of this forum you can clearly see that most people really liked this chapter. And you basically calling those people "Oda asslickers" puts you in the same boat as the other 2. Grow up! And how anyone can seriously claim that everything surrounding Luffy being Joyboy is "an idea coming out of nowhere" is beyonde me. It is like, dude did you really read the series at all? Or did you stop paying attention at some point? There have been so many hints that i do not even know where to start. The most obvious ones where Luffy being able to produce fire out of nowhere (Red Hawk), creating multiple fists out of nowhere (King Organ Gun) and being able to change trajectory of his attacks in mid-air (Culverin). There is even more but if I would list all of it this post would turn into a small essay. There are enough threads on twitter, reddit or youtube videos for you to watch regarding this topic. It has so many votes because people were hypying the chapter since two weeks ago, of course it´s going to be more recieved than usual, but again, numbers dont tell you anything. You may think something like Ashura, diable jambe and Gear 2 are great because they were part of a great arc, when in reality arcs like Ennies Lobby and marineford are full of asspulls, plot convenience and a bunch of CIS so the main characters can turn the tables. Of course the majority of the fandom are oda ass lickers. That´s how it has been for quite the decade, and that´s exactly why so many people don´t like to engage with the fandom, because for some reason people either don´t want to see or don´t want to admit that OP is not perfect (ESPECIALLY post timeskip). So no, it´s not me "Needing to grow up" it´s the majority of the fandom being childish about the issues with the manga. You can say that Big mom is a terrible character and some people might agree, but you can´t say that haki was simply a patch, because someone will try to crucify you. Not like a give a fuck about that, though. Besides that, Luffy having the fruit of joyboy is an idea that was created very, very recently, so of course it can be an asspull. Nika is not even a sun "god" is believed to be one by the slaves that eventually were freed (and the whole thing with the sun pirates came up) but the fact that Nika can stretch his body makes absolutely no sense. It makes even less sense than the gorosei knew about Luffy´s fruit and were extremely passive about it, specially when said Luffy was already in Marineford. If Shanks told them about gomu gomu = Nika then sure, makes more sense, but if they knew it´s just an idiotic decision. The fire properties of the attacks were already explained when Luffy used kouka on his rubber body, and Kong organ wasn´t even supposed to be animated the way it did, they said that back in Whole cake when the anime started being more "DBZ like" to the point where the anime director said "You should think of the anime and manga as different things" so that argument is also nulified. You trying to justify it was always planned don´t really makes that much sense. Now sure, I can make my own mental gimnastics to try to explain Oda´s inconsistencies, but again, for a dude that´s probably the best at foreshadowing and explaining things in a very methodical way, Wano has been all over the place in more than just power ups and bad fights. Finally, keep trying to justify the mainstream reaction as facts. You sound like the kind of neandethal that uses rotten tomatoes as a valid opinion for movies or shows, but only when the scores goes along your own opinion. |
Pakumen- said: Of course the majority of the fandom are oda ass lickers. That´s how it has been for quite the decade, and that´s exactly why so many people don´t like to engage with the fandom, because for some reason people either don´t want to see or don´t want to admit that OP is not perfect (ESPECIALLY post timeskip). So no, it´s not me "Needing to grow up" it´s the majority of the fandom being childish about the issues with the manga. You can say that Big mom is a terrible character and some people might agree, but you can´t say that haki was simply a patch, because someone will try to crucify you. Not like a give a fuck about that, though. Besides that, Luffy having the fruit of joyboy is an idea that was created very, very recently, so of course it can be an asspull. Nika is not even a sun "god" is believed to be one by the slaves that eventually were freed (and the whole thing with the sun pirates came up) but the fact that Nika can stretch his body makes absolutely no sense. It makes even less sense than the gorosei knew about Luffy´s fruit and were extremely passive about it, specially when said Luffy was already in Marineford. If Shanks told them about gomu gomu = Nika then sure, makes more sense, but if they knew it´s just an idiotic decision. The fire properties of the attacks were already explained when Luffy used kouka on his rubber body, and Kong organ wasn´t even supposed to be animated the way it did, they said that back in Whole cake when the anime started being more "DBZ like" to the point where the anime director said "You should think of the anime and manga as different things" so that argument is also nulified. You trying to justify it was always planned don´t really makes that much sense. Now sure, I can make my own mental gimnastics to try to explain Oda´s inconsistencies, but again, for a dude that´s probably the best at foreshadowing and explaining things in a very methodical way, Wano has been all over the place in more than just power ups and bad fights. Finally, keep trying to justify the mainstream reaction as facts. You sound like the kind of neandethal that uses rotten tomatoes as a valid opinion for movies or shows, but only when the scores goes along your own opinion. Absolute facts, thank you for your time and energy. What can be said against it that makes sense? Nothing. |
KneelBeforeMe said: Legendary moment in one piece manga, but I have some issues with how Oda storyboarded and info dumped the reveal of gear fifth and true properties of the gomu gomu no mi. And poof, Luffy suddenly is the most broken person in one piece because he has the power of  IDK if the devil fruit is the most powerful. In the scans I read, the gorosei said that it was the most ridiculous power, so I'm not sure if it's broken or not. |
VolKur said: Abyhape said: Amazing chapter, worth the wait but still couldn't get enough of it. I don't know why some people find it bad development, are they even pay attention to this series from the beginning? Luffy is and will always be a warrior of liberation, even from the start of the manga, every encounter, every conflict, every arc, it's all about liberation and he's always the child of prophecy looking at his background from the beginning of the series up until now, yet some readers complained and call this chapter shit. I dont think he is a chosen one but I can say this development was expected from Marineford or even before. And it's easily the best chapter in post timeskip! he is choosen, remember the part where roger and oden went to fish-men island, they hear the voice of all things from Sea Kings? 10 years, and another 15 years for two leader to meet with each other. it mean, in 10 years Shirahoshi would be born (as Poseidon). that is confirmed by Roger after he ask Madam Sharley at her young age about 10 years in the future. and in 15 years after she was born, she will met another leader (Luffy). |
| Luffy with the Toon Force abilities is a force to be reckoned with foreal. And to the people saying this is chapter is too “goofy” and “cartoony” and is not One Piece; smh where have you been the last 20 years???? One Piece has always been goofy and out of this world for years. |
| Lmao my hot take just came true as i predicted as this chapter is kinda divisive in a way. |
| 2025 might be the year where I will be happy. This year is not happy year. |
| My problems with this chapter is: 1- that apparantely the fruit chose Luffy(and with that, it also has some luck power to go with it) 2- Why give Luffy a mythic zoan of some god instead of keeping things simple? What's so wrong with a simple guy training and becoming stronger than everyone? 3- Luffy doesn't have a normal or hybrid form. No other zoan is like that, and none of them gives power to the human form. Oda cleary didn't plan it at all from the beginning. You see, before this chapter, I've always wanted that both Roger and Shanks have fruit powers, but now I hope they don't just out of spit for Luffy. They reached the peak without needing them. |
Forever_AMar 26, 2022 3:39 AM
| @Ayu_01 Wano is still in the race to become one of the top 5 arcs overall. It may already be #1 if you just think about all the highs. It's a matter of preference and value judgement tbh. Eoussama said: CG-Silver said: Even though Nika wasn't namedropped earlier, I believe introducing Joyboy way earlier in the series served as an adequate pre-cursor to the current events. Moreover, Luffy's durability and immediate recovery time can now partially be credited to his Zoan fruit abilities (since Zoan's are known to recover quicker and be more durable). *Moreover, ever since the start of the series, the fact that Shanks even had the Gomu Gomu no Mi was enough of a hint that it wasn't going to be a simple rubber fruit.* And I think credit shouldn't be taken away from Luffy for using it so innovatively. So, Luffy's fruit being special isn't even the most surprising thing or the biggest deal. BUT what I'm surprised about is why no one is mentioning the elephant in the room. The Gorosei mentions that Luffy's fruit is "The most ridiculous power in the world". I don't believe they mean it in the sense that the fruit is especially too powerful or anything. I believe they used this phrase to signify that it has a ridiculous ability to inspire others. So, the questions really begs: Throughout the series, Luffy was shown to be a magnetic and inspiring personality, the freest man alive. Was it all just Luffy or was it the devil fruit? “Sun God” was indeed dropped in Skypiea, just not the name of Nika, although, his silhouette was foreshadowed there.  A bunch of other gods were mentioned too, so more doubt that Oda had this planned out since back then. Shandia were just inspired by aztek culture. |
FMmatronMar 26, 2022 7:29 AM
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FMmatron said: @Ayu_01 Wano is still in the race to become one of the top 5 arcs overall. It may already be #1 if you just think about all the highs. It's a matter of preference and value judgement tbh. Eoussama said: “Sun God” was indeed dropped in Skypiea, just not the name of Nika, although, his silhouette was foreshadowed there. A bunch of other gods were mentioned too, so more doubt that Oda had this planned out since back then. Shandia were just inspired by aztek culture. Fair enough. but excuse me for a second as I try to reach ven further than Luffy himself. I find it interesting how the other Gods (Forest, Earth, Rain) were mentioned on the same panel, while the God of Sun was mentioned in the previous panel with Mousse (Kalgara's daughter). Also interesting is how the other Gods are mentioned in a way that describes the panel visually, (Forest, Rain, Earth), all elements which appear clearly in that panel, in contrast, the Sun God is mentioned, but there is no sun to be observed in that scene. It doesn't hurt to also have other God of Sun overlayed on the lonely panel of Mousse, a sacrifice that was robbed of her freedom to live, and as we know, the Sun God Nika is all about freedom. I know I'm reaching, coincidence or not, the composition of those panels is nothing short of amazing. Another cool thing I read in another forum that Luffy's laugh was a faint clue to everything happening now. “Evolution of Luffy's laugh. Luffy smiles a lot but the SFX actually evolves over time. During chapter 1, it went from Haaaa (はーっ) to Shishishishi (しししし) pre-devil fruit to Nihi (にひ) post devil fruit, then to Ni (にっ) post his growth.”  |
| Just when One Piece couldn't get anymore ridiculous, the entire Luffy/Kaido battle has become a complete joke Best way to describe this shit: Pegasus plays a magic card  And Luffy goes from this  to this  |
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