| AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBABABABABABABAA MY MANGO NEEDS TO HAVE CHARACTER DEATH OR IT'S BAD XDDD can we stop with this meme already |
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| I feel like this thread is just a trap to make me watch it, you can't fool me that easily! |
zanahorowa said: I mean to a degree some stories absolutely need death cause theres needs to be that threat to sell conflicts, hero academia i think is one that will need death but its just too premature to start doing it, though it already sounds like its moving towards that direction in the manga steadily.AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABBABABABABABABAA MY MANGO NEEDS TO HAVE CHARACTER DEATH OR IT'S BAD XDDD can we stop with this meme already |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| Ehh, the "death problem" with FT wasn't that there was no deaths. The problem is that they PRANKED deaths. Many times they made us think someone was actually dead for good only to "revive" them later or be like "I was never dead to begin with". Like, if you not gonna kill anyone, don't make it seem like they were. That was the "death problem" with FT. |
HyperLApr 5, 2018 9:33 AM
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| How dare u compare it to FT . The lack of deaths doesn't count as a flaw unless its relevant to the plot. If you really want to see a lot of people dying then watch |
| > Did BNHA pull any kind of asspull wins? It did not. > Does the main character always win? No he doesn't. > Is there any kind nakama speech in every damn fight or dire situations? No. > Or any unnecessary fanservice mixed in? No. Just because it doesn't have any kind of death your comparing it to fairy tail ignoring all the other dissimilarities the two animes have and there will be plenty of death, we have yet to venture into the darkest arcs of the story but even so just wait for it. |
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HyperL said: Ehh, the "death problem" with FT wasn't that there was no deaths. The problem is that they PRANKED deaths. Many times they made us think someone was actually dead for good only to "revive" them later or be like "I was never dead to begin with". Like, if you not gonna kill anyone, don't make it seem like they were. That was the "death problem" with FT. This^ Also alias08 said: > Did BNHA pull any kind of asspull wins? It did not. |
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alias08 said: > Does the main character always win? No he doesn't. You haven't even watched Fairy Tail, have you? |
| Guess you don't read the manga...huh ? |
Gator said: alias08 said: > Does the main character always win? No he doesn't. You haven't even watched Fairy Tail, have you? Yes I have and the only one I remember not winning is but every other time everyone wins miraculously through nakama power. and how many other times did he win? I always remember Deku getting his ass beat. |
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alias08 said: Yes I have and the only one I remember not winning is but every other time everyone wins miraculously through nakama power. |
Stripes said: What characters în Fairy Tail have been brought back from the dead ?lol the whole "there isn't enough death" shit gets really old after a while bruh. As long as Hori isn't bringing people back from the dead I can care less. you kids are aware there are worse consquences then death right??? |
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JP_Banner said: But someone just died in the manga a few chapters ago.. yet the school is still open :((Are you serious? Do you really want to kill off the characters that much ?? Dude, it's a shounen manga. You cant just kill the characters. And also, this is all about hero academy. So....... if someone got killed HOW IS THE SCHOOL SUPOSSED TO BE STILL OPENED FOR PUBLIC. Dude, seriously if someone got killed thats where the story ends. Because if that happens the school gonna have to be closed for good and no more story to be told, no school means noo hero academy and it doesnt fit the genre. I mean, after all this anime's genre is school right? Owh and one more thing... Stain chooses his own victim, he is a type of person that lets people he likes to stay alive. Such as Hisoka.... he lets gon alive until he can really have a great fight. I think stain has his own reason as well. Be patient.... dont ask for something real big before a balanced developement. You cant expect someone to just face a last boss and gonna have to kill him at the very very beginning right? |
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| Im just gonna say (didnt read your whole long text because lol) you dont need character deaths for an anime to be good or even amazing. hunter x hunter (2011) had NO main characters die (Gon, Killua, Leorio, or Kuripika) and that shounen is just 10/10 good. Your argument is literally "THEY DONT DIE. NOT GOOD" When that's not the only thing that makes an anime good or bad lol Sounds like you have a personal problem to me. |
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| Nah. The girls aren't naked in every single episode. |
| you know, they did kill Eri though. If I remember correctly, Overhaul disassemble and reassemble Eri's body so she remain in the same state over and over, until Deku rescue her. |
| So if there's no deaths the series automatically becomes Fairy Tail? did you even read the manga? I know bnha is not the best manga of the last 5 or 6 years, but c'mon, is not that bad neither to make such comparison with perhaps the worst nekketsu ever created. |
| actually as long as there is not just exactly one character death to suddenly make it all dark and deep and emotional like certain other shounens Im totally fine with how BNHA handles it. I dont even see a point so far where a death would have made sense, BNHA excels at handling shounen tropes amazingly well. Everything which annoys me about shounen, or what most shounen shows dont manage to do well, this show does. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
FunkyNano said: I think people are misrepresenting OP's point in three ways. This can partly be attributed to the poor construction of his argument though. 1. "Death =/= good story" This is true, but I don't believe that OP's point was that the show doesn't have enough character deaths, even though he phrased it that way, it was that there have been many instances where a character death seemed inevitable, or at least more fitting, but was avoided anyway. This alone isn't a problem, because a writer can still find clever ways to explain why a character should survive, but when characters are repeatedly thrown into perilous situations but get out unscathed regardless, it does stain (pun intended) an otherwise good scene. You aren't referring to... (Major Spoilers) |
meltenvyApr 8, 2018 1:44 PM
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FunkyNano said: 1. "Death =/= good story" This is true, but I don't believe that OP's point was that the show doesn't have enough character deaths, even though he phrased it that way, it was that there have been many instances where a character death seemed inevitable, or at least more fitting, but was avoided anyway. This alone isn't a problem, because a writer can still find clever ways to explain why a character should survive, but when characters are repeatedly thrown into perilous situations but get out unscathed regardless, it does stain (pun intended) an otherwise good scene. The criticism is directed primarily at the lack of realism, not at the lack of death. If the criticism was directed at the lack of death, we would expect this argument to be brought up when talking about stories of any genre, but it tends only to happen when the show itself acknowledges the vulnerability of its characters. No reasonable person would criticise a slice of life anime because its main character doesn't get murdered. We can identify that the story does not intend for its conflict to extend to the realm of the physical in the same way a fighting anime does. People are very quick to point out that character deaths won't guarantee a good story (and they're right), but seem less inclined to explain why this rule applies specifically to the examples provided in context (In this case, Ingeniun, Eraserhead and Thirteen). A death should, of course, serve a narrative purpose, so we don't always want our writer to be relentlessly unsympathetic towards their characters. But is realism not also narrative purpose? Shouldn't a writer try to avoid situations like the three above, where, at best, their survival is unrealistic but at least allows them to continue a role in the story (Erasehead), and at worst, it weakens the emotional power of the scene and they cease to be relevant afterwards? (Ingenium). Ideally, instances of survival and death should both buttress the narrative by being fitting for the character and be realistic. The most common counter argument for this is that we shouldn't expect a show that deals with the supernatural to be realistic, and this is partly true. It would be unfair to criticise a superhero story for.. having superpowers, but by "realistic" I'm not referring to whether or not we can observe the same phenomena in the real world, I simply mean "realistic" by the story's standards. It is "realistic" for All Might to survive the Nomu attack, because his superpower makes him more resistant. It is not realistic for Eraserhead to survive the encounter, because his power has nothing to do with endurance. The issue isn't as simple as "Eraserhead should have died", the issue is that he should have died by the show's standards of realism, but should not have died by the show's standards of what is fitting for the character's role in the story. This is why arguments like these tend to become cyclical. The argument ends up looking something like this: "Eraser head should have died, it makes no sense that he's alive!" "No he shouldn't, he's an important character! Why would he be killed so early?" "Because he clearly wasn't powerful enough to survive against the Nomu!" "But his death would serve no narrative purpose! Give the story a chance!" "Yes it would serve a purpose, it would show that the villains were dangerous and that the students weren't even safe when inside the school!" "The fact that the villains managed to get into the school shows that anyway!" "Yeah, but the death of an important character would have demonstrated the danger even better!" "Maybe, but Shigaraki is supposed to seem incompetent at first anyway!" "Then why did they put Eraser Head in a situation that seemed fatal?!" "To show that the villains are powerful and to make the scene exciting!" "But they would have seemed more powerful if he died! The story would be more exciting if the threat of death was genuine!" "The threat of death WAS genuine! He was simply saved by All Might!" "You expect me to believe that he would survive for that long against that fat fucking bird?! There was blood and everything! He would have been dead by the time All Might arrived!" "It's a shounen anime! Not everything is going to be realistic!" "But it SHOULD be realistic! Otherwise the threat of death ISN'T genuine!" "This man is using BANDAGES to fight a boxing BIRD, nothing you're watching is realistic! Why are you even watching this show?! "Because I like it! I'm just saying Eraser Head should have died!" "No he shouldn't! He is an important character! One person argues for realism, and one person argues for what is appropriate for the character. Neither is wrong, but they are unable to see eye to eye. I think of all the "maybe" deaths. The worst explained one was maybe Thirteen, granted we have no correlation of how their body works and how human they are or what needed to stay intact to be rehabilitated. And as much as people can argue Aizawa, which fine you can, I think being 3 volumes deep and killing off a main stay would've been pretty ballsy even for the more darker shonen and it's not as if the Nomu fight had no consequences on his abilities or his world view, it very much effected him, which I find is the bigger lack in these "they escaped death" happenings. But as for Ingenium and All Might I think these two are very well explained blatantly in the text. Explicitly All Might. If Ingenium would have died instead of being paralyzed from the waist down for the rest of his life it would've broke Iida rather then push him to revenge, but having to be alive and quit (the entire scene of passing on his name to iida was crucial) then DIA made sense to me. And as for All Might I mean All For One talk about how he's leaving Tomura to grow while All Might mentoring Deku would just limit his potential. I guess someone could fight these claims sure but I do think this is a series that does have consequences and does follow through with them. And like my original post said, I think there are worse scenarios then dying point blank. I think fighting for realism is great and all. I'm all for it. But at it's core it's still a shonen manga and also based in superhero lore which has it's own depths of problems with the death situations for it's characters. I feel like people come to this manga hoping for something in the realm of deconstruction or something because it breaks conventions but that's not what this is at all. |
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| I heard from a friend after the current arc the anime is covering the manga goes downhill HARD. Guess I'll just have to wait and see. |
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renzospark said: JP_Banner said: But someone just died in the manga a few chapters ago.. yet the school is still open :((Are you serious? Do you really want to kill off the characters that much ?? Dude, it's a shounen manga. You cant just kill the characters. And also, this is all about hero academy. So....... if someone got killed HOW IS THE SCHOOL SUPOSSED TO BE STILL OPENED FOR PUBLIC. Dude, seriously if someone got killed thats where the story ends. Because if that happens the school gonna have to be closed for good and no more story to be told, no school means noo hero academy and it doesnt fit the genre. I mean, after all this anime's genre is school right? Owh and one more thing... Stain chooses his own victim, he is a type of person that lets people he likes to stay alive. Such as Hisoka.... he lets gon alive until he can really have a great fight. I think stain has his own reason as well. Be patient.... dont ask for something real big before a balanced developement. You cant expect someone to just face a last boss and gonna have to kill him at the very very beginning right? |
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| Thread is so dumb and i doubt OP even read the Manga before before speculating nonsense. Fairy Tail had too much fanservice really, and there's too much character there are just pure asspull or Mary/Gary stu. Can't see one here. Lol. |
| Fairy Tail killed more characters than Boku No hero. So Hiro Mashima has more courage to kill someone than Horikoshi. wojtulace said: Natsu wins 95% battles, that's why FT is so bad and predictable, + no one dies thing is the cherry on the cake of nonsense. When it comes to the topic - yes, people should start dying or the threat of villains and risk of being a hero will be blurred, making the show shallow. Natsu lost against Deku won against Shinso with asspull. Sasori_Nagashi said: I heard from a friend after the current arc the anime is covering the manga goes downhill HARD. Guess I'll just have to wait and see. That's sadly true. Manga become new Fairy Tail. |
Taito10Apr 17, 2018 10:32 AM
| This is a silly thread. My Hero Academia (manga) does have high stakes, death included--but also characters losing their quirks, becoming maimed, or otherwise indisposed. Stakes that do affect other characters and factor into their character development. It's about a similar amount of death/etc as most other shounens, but it's handled better than it is in most other shounens. I'll tell you that much. Besides, that is not the tone of the show. You want this to be a dark gritty show, but this is not that. This is a show about hope, goodness, and fun fights. I agree with elisekv above in that I don't think you understand the concept of "consistent tone." When this manga does use death as a plot device, it hits hard. Not everything needs to be Game of Thrones. |
| I agree to a point that the deaths I was expecting (Ingenium esp.) could have happened, and that at certain points a death of a minor character would definitely add depth to the story, but at the same time, nothing extremely serious or dark has even happened yet. |
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demision said: I agree to a point that the deaths I was expecting (Ingenium esp.) could have happened, and that at certain points a death of a minor character would definitely add depth to the story, but at the same time, nothing extremely serious or dark has even happened yet. Ingenium should be dead, this is a bullshit that he is still alive. |
| This thread was a great laugh to read through. MAL always amuses me with these sorta click bait threads Lol |
| "You can't spell slaughter without laughter". |
NightKing said: so we got the first asspull win in this fight Deku vs Muscular?? also nakama power up?? Yes, this was an asspull but not first. |
| no. just no. also the only thing i would want from fairytail in boku no hero , is that the ships become canon at the end. |
| Let's see... far as I can see, and I quote as "I" can see, meaning this whole post is based on my opinion. BnHA and FT both have ships that people go crazy about. FT has more fanservice, and ecchi levels are high af, you cant even compare the majority of the female cast designs to BnHA besides maybe Momo and Mountain lady? BnHA's main protag is more of a self insert, you can literally imagine yourself as Deku instantly, Natsu on the other hand is a hot head naive idiot most of the time, at least when it comes to stuffs that doesnt involve fighting, which is a normal troupe of shonen main characters, fuck you Goku, you started this trend. FT was great in its early stages, but then we entered a stigma where our MC is literally out of his league but suddenly one shots his opponents out of nowhere after a nakama speech, BnHA doesnt do this, Deku actually thinks how to beat his opponents and loses from time to time. BnHA doesnt have an Erza which is great! Erza's existence itself is cancer, "beats someone randomly.. how?" "cause she Erza" nibba wut? BnHA's characters trains like hell, we even see it, the struggles are real to become a hero, while FT we barely get any moment where we see them train, its most of the time skipped, we dont see how they train at all besides some instances. BnHA has an end goal, our protag becoming a hero, seeing how he gets there, there's emotional thrill here. FT doesnt have much of an end goal besides doing guild missions with friends, sure Natsu had a goal at first, finding Igneel and all that, but you dont really get the sense that he's desperate about it like how Deku is in becoming a hero and living up to All Might's expectations of him. Also there was still a major death in FT, Igneel dying, that was big, tho I did hated the Makarov death tease over and over only for him to pop out the next chapters. Overall I like FT a tad more, Deku is too nice for my taste. I prefer the shonen MC's that has a dick side to them. Like Yusuke being a prick thug. Goku being a selfish bastard. Gintoki being a... well you know how he is. Meliodas being a perv and... well he becomes something later on that I dont want to spoil. etc.. dont wanna name em all. |
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Gator said: I feel like this thread is just a trap to make me watch it, you can't fool me that easily! Did you watch it yet? binge watching every season is the right way to go. :) |
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Old_School_Akira said: Gator said: I feel like this thread is just a trap to make me watch it, you can't fool me that easily! Did you watch it yet? binge watching every season is the right way to go. :) Nah, it's on my PTW list though... just have to decide if I watch HxH before or after BnhA :3 |
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