| In my opinion, Thomas Edison in FGO looks preposterous, like a merger of Kimba the White Lion, Captain America, Iron Man, Rainbow Dash and some random pieces of technology that don't even look admirable. He's simply overdone. Undoubtedly, he could had been designed in a more fitting way. Elizabeth Bathory, Jack the Ripper, Shuten Douji, Caesar - they look really tasteless and unappetizing. Boudica looks a much worse version of Celesia. Compared to The Silly Lion, Altair looks very polished, graceful and majestic. She was created by Rei Hiroe himself, no wonder why. It's like hell and heaven in every way. I don't even like Edison that much, Tesla was a more significant person and only recently his grand accomplishments gained proper attention from the public. Thanks to the Internet, of course. Unfortunately, I dislike his design. |
| No just no there are so many characters who are far more powerful there are true omnipotents, nigh omnipotents, and alot more Altair is pretty weak tbh |
Zantius said: This thread belongs on VS Battles Wiki because I can see it's gonna reach hella cancer in a few hours. ewww Vsbattles is a shit site, only anime wank on that site |
| I am positive, Ajimu Najimi from Medaka Box wouldn't have any problems in defeating Altair. She is literally omniscient and controls infinity. |
| In my opinion, I think she's the strongest fictional character to date. She breaks the 4th wall and can alter any character that's bound to their lore. Omnipotent gods in fiction like "The One Above All" and "Kami Tenchi" are characters bound to their stories and have vague abilities of being omnipresent and such, but its never applied outside their stories. The fact that she has an endless supply of abilities written by creators, but also real life creators like us. (In episode 20, they showed actual Pixiv fan arts like this one. She's fueled by our creativity and that makes her strong. (https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=62393965) Also an **extensive** list of Altair’s Known Abilities and Powers (Bolded her strongest ones I thought deserved to be noted): |
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| If Altair is an existence born from human imagination, then maybe, the perfect 'counter' for her is someone who owned any and all of human creation, from past and future. That man is Gilgamesh, the oldest known 'hero' known to man, because he is also a historical figure, Gilgamesh does not count as a 'creation' and thus Altair cannot erase his existence, despite Gilgamesh also being born from literary work, that is, the oldest literary work known to man, Epic of Gilgamesh. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, it is said that he owned and collected every fruits born from human creation. If Altair owns Holopsicon, a device born as the culmination of literary tropes and human imagination, then Gilgamesh, as the first 'hero' of a literary work that 'owned' all human creation, should have something to counter it. It is possible that in the world with the same mechanism as Re:Creator, Gilgamesh will own the Holopsicon itself as one of his 'collected' treasure. So, I say this : Gilgamesh can beat Altair. Please don't take this comment seriously |
ThirtyFour34Sep 11, 2017 7:25 PM
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34ThirtyFour said: If Altair is an existence born from human imagination, then maybe, the perfect 'counter' for her is someone who owned any and all of human creation, from past and future. That man is Gilgamesh, the oldest known 'hero' known to man, because he is also a historical figure, Gilgamesh also does not count as a 'creation', despite also born from the oldest literary works. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, it is said that he owned and collected every fruits born from human creation. If Altair owns Holopsicon, a device born as the culmination of literary tropes and human imagination, then Gilgamesh, as the first 'hero' of a literary work that 'owned' all human creation, should have something to counter it. It is possible that in the world with the same mechanism as Re:Creator, Gilgamesh will own the Holopsicon itself as one of his 'collected' treasure. So, I say this : Gilgamesh can beat Altair. Please don't take this comment seriously If it wasn't for that last part, I was gonna flip a table. Boi.... |
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| But seriously tho. Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon, a treasury containing all human creation from past and future, is conceptually the exact counter for Altair's Holopsicon, a 'plot device' that is born from imaginations of humanity. Because if Holopsicon is indeed something made from human concepts or imagination, then Gate of Babylon should have the 'origin' or prototype for it that can be used to counter Holopsicon, because GoB basically contains "All Creation of Humanity". Then again, I haven't even watched Re:Creators so what do I know... |
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firemagnet said: That depends. In the Fate series, Gilgamesh's Gate of Babylon contains every weapon made by mankind *in his own universe*. Since Altair exists outside, can freely enter and exit it at will, and is not bound by its laws.........well, you get the picture. Now, if we're talking *our* Gilgamesh, I think that even mythic Gilgamesh would be in a lot of trouble. Since Gilgamesh is a fiction that exists in the Re:Creators world, as it is a copy of our own world until about the middle of 2016, she'd be able to separate him from his myth using Fate Alteration. Well, that's not the case here. Theoritically, Gilgamesh can own Holospicon inside his Gate of Babylon, as the direct result of Altair's very existence, as recorded in Akashic Record, a concept outside time and space, just like Altair herself. That's just how Gate of Babylon works, just like how Holospicon work. All things that has been or will be created or imagined by human will be contained inside Gate of Babylon, no matter which universe they're in. Because in the end, Altair herself is just a fictional character, or in this case, a "Creation" made by the author of Re:Creators, or in-universe, by 'unlimited creators'. But I think there's other character from Nasuverse more suited to defeat the Ultimate Mary Sue, and he's even considered to be the weakest Servant. William Shakespeare. Mind Rape is OP. |
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| No, Saitama is the strongest anime character of all time. |
alvinozthadr said: No, Saitama is the strongest anime character of all time. You must be joking! ... You probably are, as the whole anime is a parody and you have Re:C in favourites. One use of Holopsicon Thirteenth Movement of Cosmos : Outline Origin and Saitama is back to his original state before gaining his incredible powers. Too broken for OPM, he's just physical. You can't destroy her in that way. Tatsumaki also wouldn't stand a chance (but would win with Meteora). |
Peter16373 said: HalAnime said: In my opinion, I think she's the strongest fictional character to date. She breaks the 4th wall and can alter any character that's bound to their lore. Omnipotent gods in fiction like "The One Above All" and "Kami Tenchi" are characters bound to their stories and have vague abilities of being omnipresent and such, but its never applied outside their stories. The fact that she has an endless supply of abilities written by creators, but also real life creators like us. (In episode 20, they showed actual Pixiv fan arts like this one. She's fueled by our creativity and that makes her strong. (https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=62393965) Also an **extensive** list of Altair’s Known Abilities and Powers (Bolded her strongest ones I thought deserved to be noted): Okay not that I hate it or anything but what's with everybody copy and pasting my list of Altair's ability from YouTube. This is like the third time somebody did this on the internet. I don't read every post in this thread, so I put it in spoiler in case someone already posted it. And I found it from Tumblr so no idea it was yours, though its more up to date than the re creators wikipedia so props to you? |
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Peter16373 said: I have seen that 2 weeks agoHalAnime said: I don't read every post in this thread, so I put it in spoiler in case someone already posted it. And I found it from Tumblr so no idea it was yours, though its more up to date than the re creators wikipedia so props to you? Yeah that is definitely mine. The first time I saw that copy and pasted was under gogoanime's comments. Here's the picture from YouTube. https://imgur.com/a/qeh8E |
| Stick with poo on it is stronger. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
In conclusion, no. |
I am not Naruto expert and I won't even read text on the right as it is some very high level of otaku rant copied and pasted from somewhere that is supposed to be funny. I disagree with Gilgamesh defeating Altair. He has no chance of doing so. Why? Because even though he can undoubtedly asspull multitudinous things from various places in varied time periods and separate universes, it is still all inside NASUVERSE. Altair is boundless in this regard, she can go ANYWHERE, including the world he's in. There was however a scene in Fate Kaleid Liner Prisma Illya 3rei!! episode 2 (in the "natural gas" crater) when Child-Gil plucked dragon balls and other things but it should be probably considered as a gag. I can imagine Gilgamesh trying to attack her while she discloses "Horopushiko" XY Movement of Kosumo: "SOMETHING" and makes her villainous smile. |
Mozek said: I am not Naruto expert and I won't even read text on the right as it is some very high level of otaku rant copied and pasted from somewhere that is supposed to be funny. ................................................................ |
| The only thing that can beat Altair is my original character, who is a Nyte. He has no real name, because he doesn't originate from a reality where sentient beings exist, or where the concept of "naming" is used. Out of all of the Nytes that exist however, he is the first one. Other Nytes refer to him as 01. Nytes are beings that program and modify existence. Underneath existence includes any and all universes. Nytes can omnipotently manifest within any existence and control or edit anything. Just like Altair, they are born from Touhou fandom, so no problems there. A Nyte wouldn't even need to battle Altair. Altair would only be able to "fight" a materialization of himself in her current universe, which isn't even fully him. It'd be like attacking a computer and expecting the person through webcam to die. In any case, he'd just edit her powers away, or delete her entry for existence. Nytes don't normally bother to interact with any specific universe, however, because doing such a thing is far below them. A game designer would not try to seriously hold a conversation with their NPCs. Or more accurately, your computer harddrive wouldn't waste time "playing games". This particular Nyte is corrupted and exiled as a defect from the rest of them, and thus less powerful than those ones. His defect is that he now has a personal force of will, as opposed to being part of the overall system. He became corrupted in this way after manifesting himself in an anomalous universe with sentient beings. After having gained a taste of what it's like to be alive, he became biased in favor of maintaining such a state of being and wanting to experience what existence is like in some of the many universes the Nytes system maintains. In this guy's case, he has gained enough of a sense of fun that he would at least materialize himself as a being of equal power to Altair, to have a fair match with her. In which case, it'd be no different from a heroic battle between Fate characters. Most of Altair's godmod abilities would be stopped by the Nyte's cancelation effect, thus it would break down to their actual combat prowess. Since it's two fandom characters supported by massive audiences, people will still attempt to godmod both of their combat prowess's anyway, and it would be a stalemate. Any time Altair is actually damaged, she will reconstruct herself or reverse cause and effect on the Nyte. The Nyte's atoms manifested in this world wouldn't exactly be bound by internal organs or other silly things like that, so he wouldn't really be hurt - and he would probably reverse cause and effect back on her, creating an infinite loop, which he would break by directing it away from both of them. However, from the start, Altair is implied on having powers on a universal/existential level with limits that break at some point, and Nytes are implied as having powers transcending the universe and existence with no limits. With both of that being told to the audience, people will psychologically be driven to accept that that is what their designs simply are, and thus if their powers are really defined by acceptance of their characters, the Nytes would be accepted as being more powerful. Technically, the reason they're fighting must be considered too. 01 would definitely be forced to initiate against Altair, as there would be no need for them to fight otherwise. 01 would be the one intruding in the first place because he's from outside of all existence, and his appearance would certainly alert Altair, and perhaps anger or scare her, since there are very few things that should be able to "sneak up on her like that". In the anime, Altair was pitted against people who care about that particular universe that she is directly the enemy of, but 01 is more or less an indifferent outsider. If 01 didn't post a threat to her at all, she'd have no reason to treat him as anything more than a bystander, and she'd perhaps start out on the defensive against the being who managed to materialize before her with seemingly no explanation. 01, knowing this, would probably freeze many of the movements in her Holopscion to provoke her, or something, and let her know that he's a threat. After all, getting the first attack is a huge advantage. Eventually 01 will tell her it was fun, but he has other things to do, and disappear. ---- Also, while Altair can get abilities from her audience of fandom members, she doesn't quite have the ability to just make up abilities for herself, which is something Nytes can do. If she were able to revert 01 back to "the beginning of his story", he would simply be reverted to the omnipotent being he already was, but without his corruption. If Altair were to press any kind of attack against that, she would find herself unable to affect it in any way, shape, or form in the first place. Luckily, the outcome of 01 and Altairs battle is already pre-calculated by their backstories. 01 is only enjoying existence, and has no reason to really dictate how existence flows, even though he can. So even if he were to kill Altair, he'd recreate her existence due to having gained a sense of sympathy and care from his corruption - he wouldn't be satisfied with ending the existence of something that was already there prematurely. Of course, he doesn't go around creating existences willy-nilly just so they can exist and experience the same happiness as he does, nor does he go and give instant gratification to the existences of various universes out there, because he is omniscient. Because he's omniscient, he already knows what any and all scenarios will be like. He knows such a huge amount of possibilities, that the only reason he can stay happy with his corrupted self is that any individual possibility can only be singled out to himself by experiencing it directly. In other words, it's the difference between having memories and an understanding of what happiness is like, versus actually engaging in something that makes you happy - even if you already know what it's like, there is a point to experiencing it firsthand. He could also choose to instantly gratify himself by creating a universe for him to play around in, which he does, but he finds it less interesting to do than visiting universes that he did not lay out of his own accord. If you've been keeping up with Kubikiri Cycle, it's the same sort of deal as the genius prodigy blue haired girl when she "Can think of so many possibilities for how things can happen, but it's hard to filter it down to one possibility". |
ChdataSep 16, 2017 2:39 PM
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| I think, personally, SAITAMA is the most powerful anime character. Reason? Simple, he is a parody character precisely created to be the ultimate superhero. Though we havent truly see the limits of his power (if there's any), but we can safely assume that his power will continue to outperform any opponent no matter who they are because that is simply who he is (+ with the will of the creator). |
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| Fucking faaaaaaaar from it. Her powers derive from people imagining it in some form of media. It's inherently limited by other people's imagination and by proxy the audience of human beings who are conscientiously aware. There are characters out there with similar designs which stem from a much more reliable, or at least unrestricted, "battery". I might argue she's the most versatile though. |
| Well there is Eucliwood Hellscythe so... I'm even convinced that she could take down Saitama if she wanted too. |
| The Hadou gods from Dies Irae wreck her ass. |
Splakitengteng said: Well there is Eucliwood Hellscythe so... I'm even convinced that she could take down Saitama if she wanted too. Now that you mentioned it there's Characters that uniquely made with broken ability except it was balanced. Eucliwood word can make everything happen without any acception from viewers as long target is in the area. Touma from index is ridiculously weak human being but that right hand literally have omnipotent power to erase any illusion or magic. Othinus(full power) from Index also have the godlike power to manifest the world itself creating multiple parallel universe. (The story conclusion form index arc are similar with recreate except it delivered nicely). Madara? Yeah i am not sure how his full power even works same with Kaguya. In the Multiverse character will always be broken especially those with infinite omnipotent power that doesn't require backup to release their power. Man talk about broken i wonder if this thing exists in real world, how many creators get their ass killed to bad ending that their creation never wanted. |
| One thing to note, at least on the show all of her "Holopsicon Moves" aren't passive abilities but active ones, so technically any character that can insta-kill undetected(or from far away) should be able to defeat her (i.e Othinus with Gungnir, Tet, Jibril without restrictions, Shiba Tatsuya). |
| No she's not the most powerful, because Umineko no Naku Koro ni exists. But that doesn't change the fact that Altair is a very powerful being. Forget controlling time, space, or countering the Holopsicon, these characters from Umineko could freely manipulate concepts of reality themselves and exist on a higher plane of existence than Altair, and at that point, there IS no point lol: Bernkastel, Lambdadelta, Beatrice, and there are more, but they are spoilers, so I won't say. Edit: I find it funny that the strongest anime characters might come from the mystery genre anime of all places XD. |
ShionJan 27, 2018 2:31 AM
| I don't think Altair is the most OP character in all of anime. She is strong, but I highly doubt she could solo some of the more high-tier anime shows like Dragon ball super, Gurren lagann, or Digimon(There is actually some pretty op characters in that verse) There is a site called "vs Battles wiki" that does a pretty good job of scaling her power compare to other anime if you want to check it out. |
Finalfinish02Feb 26, 2018 6:25 PM
| Having just read up on Re:Creators, I can't help but remember "God" from Marvel, who happens to be Jack Kirby. http://www.cracked.com/article_18835_5-absurd-ways-comic-books-have-resurrected-dead-superheroes.html http://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/4/1/7/36417.jpg?v=1 I also remember Superboy Prime, a guy from Earth-Prime, a place that is exactly like the Earth in Re:Creators where all the stories come from. Apparently this guy is immune to any and all kind of reality-warping abilities, and his Retcon Punch, a punch so hard it restarted the universe. http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kal-El_(Earth-Prime) https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/superboy-prime-retcon-punch-vs-wally-west-infinite-1867744/ |
| There are always deities beyond imagination in anime that we haven't seen so it's not possible to say that someone is stronger than all the rest, because there will always be superior manga & anime deities out there |
| I didn't watch re:creators, but judging from the abilities presented in this thread, isn't Altairs weakness basically any character that managed to free themselves of "fate" and become an existence that wasn't supposed to be alive or at least not relevant in the grand scheme of things? If fate is seen as the universe's mechnism to make all the "characters" follow the "script", then anyone who breaks through it would at the very least have the ability to resist attacks by any "author"-type character, no? With that said, following characters might be a danger to Altair: Saitama, as the prophesy for Boros was supposedly refering to Garou, so Saitama unknowingly interefered with Boros' Fate and it's implied that Saitama broke through the limits imposed upon him by Fate, and because of that was "outside the box" and therefore had no further restrictions on his growth anymore. Rimuru Tempest, at the end of the Web Novel version, as he reaches a realm where causality no longer affects him and he gains immunity against things like the grandfather paradox, for example, which means he is no longer being affected by the concept of causality so he'd be able to resist or outright block any transformation abilities used on him. Kamijou Touma, as he has Imagine Breaker and the "Invisible Thing"/Dragon hidden within it, whose characteristics are to "reset" everything to it's natural state, so Altair's powers might be negated because the changes might be considered "unnatural". Ushiromiya Battler, as Endless Nine blocks any supernatural and even metaphysical effects on him and makes him entirely immune even against the strongest of fictional characters from other fictional works. The only way to actually attack him is by properly following the rules of his own world and I don't know if Altair possesses the capabilities to do it that way. Featherine Augustus Aurora, as her abilities are pretty much the same as Altair's from what I can tell. Featherine also has "author" abilities and can do absurd things like literally writing what happens next. Think of her ability as a user of a Death Note, but without being restricted to only death, but she does have a weakness though, which is her horns. If they get damaged, she'll lose her memory. But that can only happen if she let's her guard down. It's unclear how her abilities interact with other "author types". Ushiromiya Ange, as her ability at the end of the Sound Novel is also of the "author type", as she can endlessly kill and revive whoever she wants. She basically gets "on/off" switch for any characters, which by itself is pretty OP. It's unclear how her ability interact with other "author types". |
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