Re:Creators Episode 18 Discussion

Shingster said:
It will be unusual if Megane did not appear here though. Blitz's daughter was brought back by as a result of the crossover that was created for this final battle eh. For new abilities and new characters the key word is after all acceptance from the fans. Without it it will never work. Im glad that in the end that it did though. Blitz's hardened nature is lost when he's with his beloved daughter eh. The reunion between the two was pretty heartwarming though as was seeing him apologize to her. Still Blitz's creator is right is that this is his choice to make in deciding who to help after all. Its funny seeing Souta rebuff Magane's words there though and show his determination. Given their past the fight between Yuya and Sho is also on a personal level as well. Wow never expected Hikayu to take to the field though and be the one to save Yuya. Lol her words as she entered the field though. No matter the media whether is anime, manga or light novel fan approval is the key after all. Without it all will be forgotten. Its funny that at this point Megane is still trying to scheme. But i never expected Magane to actually help Souta unlock the locks that hampered him though. Its funny but i never expected Magane and Souta to be able to understand each other so easily though.
Hmm despite being scared Hikayu is still determined to fight eh. To think that Magane will give Hangaku back though. Well things between Yuya and Sho should be much more equal i think.

Magane only ever wants to be entertained it seems. Hikayu's reaction to Blitz's comment about her outfit though lol. Hmm its nice that Blitz decided to switch sides after meeting his daughter though. Hmm things really are intensifying with Blitz's defection and now Alice's new equipment. To think that Sho is now trapped between Blitz and Yuya though. Wow Hikayu really can fight when she's serious eh. Its nice Meterora, Selestia and Rui work together to take on their common enemy though. Wow so Sho's reason for hating Yuya was completely made up by the main villain eh. Talk about a misunderstanding. To think that Sho actually brought the story that made him hate Yuya so much though. Looks like Selestia and Rui are getting serious with their battle with Altair though. Hmm that tag team attack with Selestia and Rui and Alice with their boosted weapons almost managed to defeat Altair though. Hiding Alice in Rui's hands though and letting her strike the first blow to reveal her betrayal was interesting. Though it seems Altair is far from being defeated yet as she unleashes another one of her cards. Hmm so another new face joins the battle eh. Man this episode really is interesting in the number of revelations and betrayals that it has. Still the battle between the two sides really are getting more and more interesting.

neonie said:


"Though." = 16.
'Hm." = 5.
"Eh." = 6.

Did you copy and past this from a conversation you were having with a friend while you were watching it? Or is it just stream of consciousness?

Shingster said:

These are my thoughts as i watched the episode.
I do have a habit of putting eh, hmm and though in my comments

neonie said:


I would suggest trying to avoid using those quite as much. Also, ask your self when you're writing down a comment if you're just writing down exactly what happened in the show without contributing a thought to it, or if you actually have something to say on any particular event.

If you actually think through your thoughts before you write something, or read back your writing and think through it then, you can create far more compelling words than simply writing in stream of conciseness.

neonie said:


I would suggest trying to avoid using those quite as much. Also, ask your self when you're writing down a comment if you're just writing down exactly what happened in the show without contributing a thought to it, or if you actually have something to say on any particular event.

If you actually think through your thoughts before you write something, or read back your writing and think through it then, you can create far more compelling words than simply writing in stream of conciseness.

aeroperf said:
babukchieva – here’s another one.
https://www.animenewsnetwork.cc/review/re-creators/episode-18/.120335

Aquila24 – Sota is not bringing back Setsuna. He’s bringing back Shirotsumekusa. She was Setsuna’s primary creation.
Marine said: “Altair is a really well-made secondary creation.”
And Meteora told us: “Although they do share a common base, Megalosphere, the traits that define them as characters, their personalities and goals, have diverged, and Altair is very different from Shirotsumekusa.
I think this change caused the worlds to separate.”

So if you want to put the worlds back together, you get Altair and Shirotsumekusa to re-join somehow.

-snip-

aeroperf said:
My take was that Shirotsumekusa was solely Setsuna’s artwork creation, and "had no spine" because there was no story involved, and that Altair was the Secondary creation of Setsuna along with the Megalosphere producer Shimashima who helped Setsuna make the Altair World Etude video. What did I miss?

"Moreover, the "divergent worlds" was meant to represent how Altair had exceeded the bounds of Shirotsumekusa and become independent in her own right." - I disagree. I think Meteora was being literal. The worlds separating allowed Altair to show up physically.

And wouldn't it be fun if Shimashima turns up?

Edit: So Setsuna made a secondary creation off somebody else’s Shirotsumekusa. Doesn’t that make Setsuna the plagiarist that everybody accused her of being?

I’m talking about the white-haired girl in the picture frame. Altair without the uniform.
The one Sota says “I thought that I should draw her so that it looks like the Altair that she created."
That's the character Sota is bringing to the party as fool's gold.

Not the pink-haired girl with the emerald staff who was illustrated by somebody else.
Now we REALLY need to see Shimashima, to explain who ripped off whom.

Almost everything in this anime is foreshadowed. Meteora tells us so in the recap.
For instance, Blitz and his daughter are shown in the sketch in ep. 14, drawn with Marine's pen (16:39).
This is long before his daughter shows up at the end of ep. 17.
So everything is out there for us - we just have to put it all together.

Led_Wayline said:
With great power comes a skimpy outfit? At least in Hikayu's case. Not that I'm complaining, of course.

I wonder, what kind of a twist did Souta envision? I'm definitely looking forward to finding out.

firemagnet said:
Notably, Shirotsumekusa is the Japanese name for "white clover," a flower which is associated with promises, vitality, and good luck in European folklore...and with revenge and death in Japanese folklore. Shirotsumekusa focuses on the positive aspects of that meaning, taking in the aspects of a bride and many of the symbols of Ireland with her emerald staff and four leaf clover symbols, whereas Altair focuses on the negative aspects of revenge and takes her symbology entirely from the folklore surrounding the star Alpha Aquilae (Altair).

Cour_Victor said:
This makes me think more and more that Souta's creation will be Shirtosumekusa. Remember he was going to draw "her" in the style Setsuna drew Altair. There is a lot of thematic contrast between the two characters, and Shirotsumekusa's addition makes little sense in the context of the crossover, much like how Meteora suggested when she was talking to Aki in episode 15 about his story, which is something the audience wouldn't accept. But she stands as a counterbalance, so ultimately she can keep Altair in check in some way.

MysteriousBanana said:

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but Magane didn't use her power to give life to Souta's creation, she used her power to essentially give him carte blanche on creating things.

The assertion she made Souta rebuke is that he doesn't need the world's acceptance, that he should instead rely on a god to give life to his creations, and the way to achieve this is simply to weave nothing but lies until it becomes the truth; this would mean that Magane didn't give him the power to give life to one character, but rather the power to give life to a real god, the form of which likely to be Setsuna as that's more relevant to Altair than the character she's based on.

firemagnet said:
No preview for episode 19?

dmr said:
Episode 19 preview

Cour_Victor said:


Sounds like someone will bite the dust.

Cour_Victor said:
@firemagnet Charon? Hardly. He is the one with the most to say right now, probably. He doesn't look possessed or anything. He will be around for a while, definitely. Alice has to deal with Altair, Mamika didn't really fight with Altair so she has to fill her share in as well, in the name of her revenge.

Tokoya said:
That ending was lit, I LOVE that particular track from the OST

Still, it seems kinda convenient how the other dude changed sides once he heard that his sister's murderer was another guy but be that as it may, it makes sense because Yuya isn't a bad guy at all and given how he's acted throughout the series, him performing a fucked up crime like that it kinda OOC

Also, we got a Mamika 2.0 over here lol.....Her lines are hilarious buy hey, at least she can hold her own in battle. And dat outfit is HAWT AF

Looking forward to seeing Charon in action though and before I forget, I would just like to say that the scene with Magane and Souta was too great (I kinda hope that she manages to stay in the real world now lol).....I had a lot of smiles and laughs from this episode

Great episode overall.....I'm really happy for Blitz and his creator (For wearing a bullet proof vest lol) too

Mohammadalmannai said:
After watching this episode, it made me wish that all previous episodes are like this T.T It was amazing tho one of the strongest episodes in the series. I really loved the ending and the moment between Sota and Magane <3

BlazeDelta said:
If there's one thing I loved about this episode, it's that Souta has shown just how much he has grown from the helpless boy who was once at Magane's mercy to... well, getting her as a waifu. But really, I kinda feel proud of him, and I look forward to what he's going to do with his newfound powers. Possibly a revival of Setsuna? I mean, with Erina's revival being legit, at this point that doesn't seem that far of a stretch. Either way, Magane hinted at her existence being threatened by some law of the world shenanigans, and I really hope she somehow manages to stay with Sota. Magane has also proven to be a rather philosophical character, unlike the madman we once thought she was.

This episode had a good slice of everything - humour, twists, action, dialogue, romance, and most importantly, LAYERS.

Anyway, I feel pretty bad for Altair now; everyone seems to be turning on her. Everyone, except...

The man. The legend. Behold, Charon himself.

alphazero4um said:
The scene with Souta and Magane was actually interesting. Magane became lovable somehow for me. She somehow has something that stands out much more than any ordinary antagonist in many series.

firemagnet said:
Saw that ending coming from a mile away. Definitely has a slower pace than the last episode.

Magane had a crucial role to play this time, and she set up two important points:

1. She appeared to release (partially) the limiter on her own power

2. she gave hangaku back. It's clear that whenever she speaks about herself and her feelings, she's being honest.


I wouldn't be surprised if Magane assists Altair now to further her own ends.

aeroperf said:
Dang! That conversation between Magane and Sota just NAILED it.

Especially because the Director, Aoki Ei, said:
“While there's some action in Re:CREATORS, it's really a story about the process of being creative. So as I made Re:CREATORS, I really reflected on the question of what it means to be creative, what are the joys of being creative, and what are the downsides of being creative.”

Knowing that with Magane, a lie about a lie… She just turned the MC into a MC.

omnivores: am i seeing things or Magane gave Sota her "fool's gold"? - yes, she did.

So-Intense said:
Such a troll move to play Mamika's OST when Hikayu shows up :D
EXTREME FINAL LEGEND MARTIAL ARTIST
Magane and Souta scene was cool too.

Lord_of_Anime said:
A really good action packed episode! I was shocked at the end of the last episode to see Blitz's daughter and I knew it would have a large impact on this episode and the fight against Altair...but it was an incredibly emotional reunion between Blitz and his daughter

I was surprised by Magane's decision to help out Sota...it sure looks like Altair won't have anyone standing on her side soon! It was also nice to see Alictaria fully committed against Altair and shouting "This is for Mamika!"

This was a really good episode and I can't wait to see what happens next!

Martin_Taylor said:
One character in reserves can't hold for 4 episodes when everybody turn to good side now and are against Altair. Iam calling Megane turning on everybody once more just to see their betrayed faces after they think they finally win. And then maybe Megane turning once more? Because I think she is honest when she said she want to see Altairs face after she lose? But more probably final Shota's character will turn sides.

aeroperf said:
CardinalHunter—

I’ll give you my take, but others will have caught stuff I’ve missed.

My assumptions:
Megane is Chaotic Neutral (doesn’t care who wins as long as SHE wins), and amoral (no remorse for killing).
Her power is twisting words. So she has to know both words and the “humanity” that speaks them.
She’s probably the smartest of the Creations. She Knows What’s Going On, as well as Altair does and maybe better.
She operates by getting someone to make a statement that is a lie, then reversing the lie.
She has a thing for Sota. When she wants to talk or taunt, she goes to him.

So here we are on the balcony in ep. 18. She’s just had the suggestion from Aliceteria to go have fun. She knows Sota is writing a character who will resemble the Altair that Setsuma drew. She also knows that there may be a “fatal contradiction” in the way the character is used – and it may not get audience approval.

Greetings, and she shows Sota that she knows that this is the world that you can make other worlds from. Then she probes Sota about his motives for why he wants to be a Creator, trying to play the guilt card to get him to react. She’s got an agenda and she’s trying to get Sota to say the right lie that she can reverse to achieve it.

Sota answers using the word “might”. This voids Magane’s powers – it’s not a lie. And we get to his real motivation – he can’t stop himself from creating. She reads him the riot act about being an author…doing it for his own ego or guilt or the need to be accepted. Sota says he doesn’t care; again, not a lie.

She then goes to “What if you’re not accepted as a creator?” He says the audience decides who is a real creator. Without audience approval, the Creator can’t Create. She says “That’s one”, indicating a lie, but doesn’t act on it.
Then the conversation goes off about all fiction being lies. And the real thing about gold and fool’s gold - they both look the same. Sota is trying to create something like fool’s gold – Magane says Go ahead and lie and make it look the same and people will fall for it. Sota finally freaks and lets out his fear that they won’t fall for it.

Magane snaps her fingers and now Sota is guaranteed audience acceptance for whatever he is planning – guaranteed to become a Creator – at least for the Birdcage story. Why did she do it? This was her agenda - she thinks it would be fun to see Altair’s reaction.

Then she tests Sota by commenting about giving Hangaku back to Mirakoji. Sota says the correct lie to enable her to do this, so he understands.

She finishes up by hinting to Sota that Altair has no intrinsic value. It would be “dirty” trying to make his character into the new Altair, because it has no intrinsic value either. Don’t plagiarize. In the end, people will support either one. They just need to be entertained.

Finally Sota comments on what will happen to current creations after the world is healed. Magane will be gone because contradictions aren’t allowed. Her reply is that they are now on the outside of the stories. It is telling that she didn’t call Sota’s statement a lie.


There is an awful lot in the conversation about the motives, fears, goals and techniques of Creators. And she set Sota up to be one with the real key: entertain your audience, and you will get approval. I also think she gave him the fool’s gold to remind him of her, because her creator is gone and if the good guys succeed it’s over for her, unless someone else writes about her some day.

I'd love to hear other analyses.

Cour_Victor said:
@aeroperf Interesting read.

Canonically Meteora is the smartest. Magane, Yuuya, Blitz and Altair share the same, at least numerically according to the Newtype release. About what you think of entertainment, I think,(I hope) the story will make a point to show that consistency is king at their battle. Despite not being allowed to bring about their will upon the story through acceptance like before, I don't think the audience can skirt around the plot hole Souta will bring into the story, which as you pointed out Meteora brought up to Aki during their talk in episode 15. There are parallels to this opportunity brought to Souta in Souta himself. Like his creation who is set to hurt the overall consistency of the story he really hasn't demonstrated a skill or made anything to show for when it comes to his abilities as a creator to be worthy of achievement. His illustrations and drawings shown so far have been horrible and he has given up for months before deciding to get back to work.

But this opinion also mixes with my sympathy towards Altair so keep that in mind.

firemagnet said:
It's worth noting that Souta has been practicing for the last little while and we haven't seen what the quality of his revised work is yet. Back in episode 15, Meteora noted that they would need a "miracle" to overcome the plothole that Souta's character would introduce. Well, Magane's use of her ability may well have been that miracle that they needed.

Mormegil said:
Who the hell is Charon and how does Selesia know him? He's not even on the character list for the show.

This show has had such a low impact on me that I don't even know who some of these characters are. Good action scenes, though!