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Jan 28, 2016 1:08 AM
#102
SansrivaaL said: TBH anime vieweres only were kinda lucky, us manga readers read this on X-mas, release date of Shogun dying was dec 25 2014 so yeah I was quite sad during that xmas. same and as for my country, chapter 519 was released on Dec 20th which is our Teacher 's Day, oh the irony XD sadpwner said: Finally back to comedy? I hate the serious arcs. well bad new for you, no more comedy and parody arc anymore, just some comedy along the serious arc |
Joy4everJan 28, 2016 1:13 AM
“The greatest crimes in the world are not committed by people breaking the rules but by people following the rules. It's people who follow orders that drop bombs and massacre villages.” -Bansky |
Jan 28, 2016 1:43 AM
#103
This was a brilliant arc, at times it was untouchable but the ending could've been better, animation wasn't top but I guess they spent their money on earlier episodes so can't really blame them. So Shigeshige is dead, the ED was great, his sister petting his head while he leaves peacefully. I wanna see what happens next, I want Katsura to become the next shogun Next arc will be good as well, well every GinTama arc is fucking great. I hope Takasugi joins forces with Gin and Katsura and Sakamoto, but I guess his anger won't fall down. Overall a good episode. 4.5/5 Shogun Assasination Arc 9.5/10, (it's 2000/10 at some points) GinTama my most favorite anime with my most favorite anime character that goes by the name of Gintoki! |
Jan 28, 2016 2:10 AM
#104
Sho-chan isn't dead, he just becoming JoJo.. |
Jan 28, 2016 2:12 AM
#105
goral said: AC_4ce said: The thing is he wasn't a good leader, he was a good friend though. Shogun has done nothing good for his country, NOTHING (helping some individual people he cared about doesn't even cover it). He has been wasting his time on entertainment and hasn't shown any concern about his people. While he stayed in luxurious palace Katsura was fighting for human rights and his country's independence.(...) I wish that politicians in my country would be at least a 1/10 of a leader that sho-chan was did we really watch the same anime? maybe you should rewatch the arc with his uncle and when that guy oboro shows up first. But i guess its debatable how great of leader it was but you can't deny the fact that he loved his country and his people. And in todays society where politics is full of corporatist fucks of which their only concern is to steal as much as they can untill their mandates are over all i want to see is a guy that as incompetent as it may be at least has some good faith |
MikeHunt69Jan 28, 2016 1:17 PM
Jan 28, 2016 4:16 AM
#106
Why did they kill Shogun he is an essential character i had great laughs with him so sad :( |
Jan 28, 2016 4:37 AM
#107
Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. |
Jan 28, 2016 4:39 AM
#108
sadpwner said: Finally back to comedy? I hate the serious arcs. You might as well drop the series now. |
Jan 28, 2016 4:44 AM
#109
sadpwner said: Then you should drop it right now, since Gintama's not going back to comedy anymore. Gintama will only have serious arcs right now, unless they adapt those comedy arcs they skipped to do the Shogun Assassination Arc. And did you actually hate this arc? O_OFinally back to comedy? I hate the serious arcs. Taito10 said: Remember Sasaki shot Gintoki with an antidote to the poison.Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. |
TyrelJan 30, 2016 11:18 AM
Jan 28, 2016 5:02 AM
#110
Okita being nice to Hijikata...oh who was I kidding?? Lmao Beautiful ending to the arc with Shigeshige's final moments lying on Soyo's lap as she comforts him. R.I.P Shigeshige, thanks for all the laughs, especially that hair salon episode. |
Jan 28, 2016 5:22 AM
#111
GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: Remember Sasaki shot Gintoki with an antidote to the poison.Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. Here are several reasons. We do not know that a similar poison was used. Different people have different level of immunity to poison just like they have for virus. The needle was injected directly in the blood vein on the wrist instead of flesh. I wasn't even bothering to reply until I saw you replying. |
TyrelJan 30, 2016 11:19 AM
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Jan 28, 2016 6:34 AM
#112
Thus a great arc ends. But what troubles me is that they left out a lot of arcs before this one. All I can hope is that they adapt them all so that Gintama doesn't end anytime soon. ;-; |
Jan 28, 2016 9:11 AM
#113
Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol |
gembelelaJan 28, 2016 9:29 AM
Saber |
Jan 28, 2016 11:11 AM
#114
I was really in shock at the end of this episode ... And it was only partially because of shige shiges death ... I mean with all due respect he was a great character and really had his moments like in the ousama game at the host club back in the first gintama ... And his death certainly came as a shock... But more so because I never expected gintama to actually change the setting ... All I expected as I went into this arc was an assassination attempt on the shogun and it being thwarted by the gang ... Good old fashioned stuff... But now that the shogun is dead ... Things can never go back to the way they were and that scares me ... In shows like one piece I want to know the ending even if it means the show is over ... But in gintama , I never want it to end, and permanent changes like this spook me ... |
Jan 28, 2016 12:15 PM
#115
1) Sho-chan is one of my favorite characters, so sad that he died by that shitface NoobNoob and his minions. 2) Sougo trolling Hijikata - well that wasn't something new (LOL) 3) Kamui's speech touched my heart and.......I want more of him in Gintama!!!! |
Jan 28, 2016 4:21 PM
#116
sadpwner said: Finally back to comedy? I hate the serious arcs. Lol no its all been serious arcs in the manga too. Next one is another serious arc |
Jan 28, 2016 5:32 PM
#117
Jan 28, 2016 6:47 PM
#118
Ah, as expected, the shogun meets his end. It was a nice touch with the final scene, but now it seems the Mimawarigumi and Nobunobu are the new reigning thing. |
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Jan 28, 2016 10:26 PM
#119
royaldocks said: sadpwner said: Finally back to comedy? I hate the serious arcs. Lol no its all been serious arcs in the manga too. Next one is another serious arc Damn, the comedy is mostly ingenious but the serious arcs are just generic shounen crap. To be fair, the comedy was mediocre this season too. We need old gintama o.o |
Jan 29, 2016 12:18 AM
#120
Guide for watching the next arc. Watched/rewatch 1. Shogun Assassination Arc (must) 2. Courtesan of A Nation Arc 3. Thorny Arc You may watch 4. Shinigami arc and even 5. Hard Boiled Detective Arc 6. Maybe Kabuchiko Stray Cat also lol |
Jan 29, 2016 2:03 AM
#121
sadpwner said: royaldocks said: sadpwner said: Finally back to comedy? I hate the serious arcs. Lol no its all been serious arcs in the manga too. Next one is another serious arc Damn, the comedy is mostly ingenious but the serious arcs are just generic shounen crap. To be fair, the comedy was mediocre this season too. We need old gintama o.o you can read some comedy arc that they don't make, but it may not as good as the anime cause there are no sound and color stuff |
“The greatest crimes in the world are not committed by people breaking the rules but by people following the rules. It's people who follow orders that drop bombs and massacre villages.” -Bansky |
Jan 29, 2016 5:57 AM
#122
The political state for Edo will change.. i will sure miss sho chan and his loincloth. The way he died in the arms of his sister :'( What will be of her when she find out he is dead... |
Jan 29, 2016 9:32 AM
#123
Taito10 said: gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. hmm kiddy.. just so you know I 've watched the prequel probably before you were born... since the Togashi's "autis" author spending his time playing Dragon Quest and idoL game.. lol that remake adaptation is really good because the Madhouse studio in the other hand I'm so fucking regret follow one piece for almost 2 decade.. the quality animation and slow pace adaptation makes everything horrible to watched. and I don't want wasting my time for another 20 years to see the ending im talk about anime btw. well now.. Can you give me a decent answer,because im so fucking curious for almost decade..? " how about Meruem and Ace get killed ..??" Don't hit and run like a trolling kid |
gembelelaJan 29, 2016 10:14 AM
Saber |
Jan 29, 2016 11:19 AM
#124
sadpwner said: royaldocks said: sadpwner said: Finally back to comedy? I hate the serious arcs. Lol no its all been serious arcs in the manga too. Next one is another serious arc Damn, the comedy is mostly ingenious but the serious arcs are just generic shounen crap. To be fair, the comedy was mediocre this season too. We need old gintama o.o The not animated yet ( perharps never) is hilarious really hope it gets animated (at least the love potion arc is going to be animated later which is confirmed) |
Jan 29, 2016 11:40 AM
#125
The feels! RiP Shigeshige ;_; Overall a pretty good adaptation, just wish the art had been consistent but oh well. Hyped for the next serious arc! I really hope they don't derp up the art. |
Jan 29, 2016 12:11 PM
#126
gembelela said: Taito10 said: gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. hmm kiddy.. just so you know I 've watched the prequel probably before you were born... since the Togashi's "autis" author spending his time playing Dragon Quest and idoL game.. lol that remake adaptation is really good because the Madhouse studio in the other hand I'm so fucking regret follow one piece for almost 2 decade.. the quality animation and slow pace adaptation makes everything horrible to watched. and I don't want wasting my time for another 20 years to see the ending im talk about anime btw. well now.. Can you give me a decent answer,because im so fucking curious for almost decade..? " how about Meruem and Ace get killed ..??" Don't hit and run like a trolling kid Their death was logical. Meruem died because poison. There WASNT ANTIDOTE and Ace died because he sacrificed life for his brother. |
Jan 29, 2016 2:11 PM
#127
I've lost track of whats happening. Was the shoguns dying wish to be near Soyo in his last moments, or was that someone else? |
Jan 29, 2016 2:35 PM
#128
Vargr said: I've lost track of whats happening. Was the shoguns dying wish to be near Soyo in his last moments, or was that someone else? It was the real shogun...he indeed wished to spend his last moments with soyo |
Jan 29, 2016 3:01 PM
#129
lvlachine said: Vargr said: I've lost track of whats happening. Was the shoguns dying wish to be near Soyo in his last moments, or was that someone else? It was the real shogun...he indeed wished to spend his last moments with soyo For a moment i was confused, though the way he was laying down made it kinda obvious. Thanks for confirming. |
Jan 29, 2016 3:33 PM
#130
1. Gintoki survived Oboro needles because Sasaki shot Gintoki with an antidote to the poison. 2. Nobume knows Oboro from her past and she possesses extensive knowledge about Oboro's combat skills (for example what poison he's using, it is probably some standard poison). So she can easily trick him with antidote (Gintoki incident). 3. They have prepared earlier antidote for Oboro poison needles. Sasaki is just afraid of him. 4. That guy assasinated shogun with STRONGER poison and the needle was injected directly in the blood vein on the wrist instead of flesh. Somebody think here there is only one kind of poison. |
Jan 29, 2016 8:00 PM
#131
Wow what an ending to an arc. It'll be sad if Gintoki and others had known Shogun had died, but they had to let them know that he's still "alive" for the time being. I wonder how Shoyo will react the next day when her brother is no longer breathing. New arc!!! I heard there's only a few more till they end the series. I'm guessing all they have is this year :( |
Jan 29, 2016 8:01 PM
#132
ugh. Soyo. :I it's just too sad. |
Jan 29, 2016 11:53 PM
#133
Taito10 said: Their death was logical. Meruem died because poison. There WASNT ANTIDOTE and Ace died because he sacrificed life for his brother. Now you answer with logic.. Ok Hunter x Hunter I asked you about this "plot hole" they were killed..?? if you might have a lot to watch animu surely you will recognizes it , Togashi make so much refers to Cell character from "Dragon ball" (almost same chara design & same abilty ) how reasonable , if he has the ability to regenerate and get killed just because some cheap poison radiation.. FYI even cockroaches would not die if exposed to atomic bomb radiation .. if u asking from perspective a normal person the beginning of Chimera arc feels weird , it's Like we are watching ALIENS movie that sh*t monster killing and eating people over and over again for 60+ episode , in the end they made us sympathetic to them after what they do.. WTH it's like "Let us be friends Alien insects" You know this is not Disney movie all enemy character can be friends.. lol I could also see the same pattern in one piece , later in the end eventually they would forgive BB & Akainu.. huh |
gembelelaJan 30, 2016 1:47 AM
Saber |
Jan 30, 2016 7:52 AM
#134
Taito10 said: Their death was logical. Meruem died because poison. There WASNT ANTIDOTE and Ace died because he sacrificed life for his brother. there are lots of different poison and different affects you know and how is it magical, he had the cured like few minutes after he got shot, and every anime have plot hole like you said, why are you butthurt about it? |
“The greatest crimes in the world are not committed by people breaking the rules but by people following the rules. It's people who follow orders that drop bombs and massacre villages.” -Bansky |
Jan 30, 2016 8:08 AM
#135
Rip Sho-chan.Even if I knew what was coming, his death was still very sad. At least there was a bit with Okita and Hijikata to lighten up the mood a little. |
Jan 30, 2016 8:51 AM
#136
Taito10 said: How can you guarantee that the same poison was used on the Shogun? And let's say that it was the same poison, Gintoki got stabbed in the flesh, meanwhile the Shoun got directly stabbed in his blood veins. The poison took time to spread throughout his body, therefore the antidote helped Gintoki. Meanwhile the poison has already spread through the Shogun as they mention that "...the poison has already spread all over".gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. |
GoldenDevilGamerJan 30, 2016 9:06 AM
Jan 30, 2016 9:10 AM
#137
GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: How can you guarantee that the same poison was used on the Shogun?gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. I cant but when Gintoki was attacked by deadly poison needles than he should die but suddenly appeared Sasaki with serum but when random guy attack shogun than he died. Needle from a random guy is more dangerous than Oboro.... Call this plot hole, or plot device for Shogun death, or just Gintoki had plot armor but definitely this situations arent very logical. |
Jan 30, 2016 9:14 AM
#138
Taito10 said: I edited my previous post a little to add some stuff so I'l post it again: GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. I cant but when Gintoki was attacked by deadly poison needles than he should die but suddenly appeared Sasaki with serum but when random guy attack shogun than he died. Needle from a random guy is more dangerous than Oboro.... Call this plot hole, or plot device for Shogun death, or just Gintoki had plot armor but definitely this situations arent very logical. Let's say that it was the same poison, Gintoki got stabbed in the flesh, meanwhile the Shoun got directly stabbed in his blood veins. The poison took time to spread throughout his body, therefore the antidote helped Gintoki. Meanwhile the poison has already spread through the Shogun as they mention that "...the poison has already spread all over". |
Jan 30, 2016 9:15 AM
#139
GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: I edited my previous post a little to add some stuff so I'l post it again: GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: How can you guarantee that the same poison was used on the Shogun?gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. I cant but when Gintoki was attacked by deadly poison needles than he should die but suddenly appeared Sasaki with serum but when random guy attack shogun than he died. Needle from a random guy is more dangerous than Oboro.... Call this plot hole, or plot device for Shogun death, or just Gintoki had plot armor but definitely this situations arent very logical. Let's say that it was the same poison, Gintoki got stabbed in the flesh, meanwhile the Shoun got directly stabbed in his blood veins. The poison took time to spread throughout his body, therefore the antidote helped Gintoki. Meanwhile the poison has already spread through the Shogun as they mention that "...the poison has already spread all over". Nobume said that he will die if he not extract poison and later he was attacked by even more needles. Gin even look worse (bloods on his face) than Shogun. I would say that poison has already spread all over Gintoki body but even that he survived. Like I said before you can call this just a plot armor for Gintoki, or plot device for shogun death or just a plot hole. |
TyrelJan 30, 2016 11:11 AM
Jan 30, 2016 9:29 AM
#140
Taito10 said: Hmm, well it also depends on one's strength and tolerance. Gintoki fought to stay awake from the poison needles, meanwhile the Shogun kinda went with the flow.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: How can you guarantee that the same poison was used on the Shogun?gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. I cant but when Gintoki was attacked by deadly poison needles than he should die but suddenly appeared Sasaki with serum but when random guy attack shogun than he died. Needle from a random guy is more dangerous than Oboro.... Call this plot hole, or plot device for Shogun death, or just Gintoki had plot armor but definitely this situations arent very logical. Let's say that it was the same poison, Gintoki got stabbed in the flesh, meanwhile the Shoun got directly stabbed in his blood veins. The poison took time to spread throughout his body, therefore the antidote helped Gintoki. Meanwhile the poison has already spread through the Shogun as they mention that "...the poison has already spread all over". Nobume said that he will die if he not extract poison and later he was attacked by even more needles. Gin even look worse (bloods on his face) than Shogun. I would say that poison has already spread all over Gintoki body but even that he survived. Like I said before you can call this just a plot armor for Gintoki, or plot device for shogun death or just a plot hole. |
Jan 30, 2016 9:37 AM
#141
GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: Hmm, well it also depends on one's strength and tolerance. Gintoki fought to stay awake from the poison needles, meanwhile the Shogun kinda went with the flow.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: I edited my previous post a little to add some stuff so I'l post it again: GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: How can you guarantee that the same poison was used on the Shogun?gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. I cant but when Gintoki was attacked by deadly poison needles than he should die but suddenly appeared Sasaki with serum but when random guy attack shogun than he died. Needle from a random guy is more dangerous than Oboro.... Call this plot hole, or plot device for Shogun death, or just Gintoki had plot armor but definitely this situations arent very logical. Let's say that it was the same poison, Gintoki got stabbed in the flesh, meanwhile the Shoun got directly stabbed in his blood veins. The poison took time to spread throughout his body, therefore the antidote helped Gintoki. Meanwhile the poison has already spread through the Shogun as they mention that "...the poison has already spread all over". Nobume said that he will die if he not extract poison and later he was attacked by even more needles. Gin even look worse (bloods on his face) than Shogun. I would say that poison has already spread all over Gintoki body but even that he survived. Like I said before you can call this just a plot armor for Gintoki, or plot device for shogun death or just a plot hole. Maybe Gintoki has a strength and tolerance but still poison would kill him if not suddenly appeared a guy with antidote but not for Shogun (even with him were doctors). Sorachi should have done better this two situations |
Taito10Jan 30, 2016 9:44 AM
Jan 30, 2016 9:58 AM
#142
Taito10 said: I'm assuming that the doctors don't have the antidote and only the Mimawarigumi/Bakufu have it, and they aren't gonna help Shige Shige.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: I edited my previous post a little to add some stuff so I'l post it again: GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: How can you guarantee that the same poison was used on the Shogun?gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. I cant but when Gintoki was attacked by deadly poison needles than he should die but suddenly appeared Sasaki with serum but when random guy attack shogun than he died. Needle from a random guy is more dangerous than Oboro.... Call this plot hole, or plot device for Shogun death, or just Gintoki had plot armor but definitely this situations arent very logical. Let's say that it was the same poison, Gintoki got stabbed in the flesh, meanwhile the Shoun got directly stabbed in his blood veins. The poison took time to spread throughout his body, therefore the antidote helped Gintoki. Meanwhile the poison has already spread through the Shogun as they mention that "...the poison has already spread all over". Nobume said that he will die if he not extract poison and later he was attacked by even more needles. Gin even look worse (bloods on his face) than Shogun. I would say that poison has already spread all over Gintoki body but even that he survived. Like I said before you can call this just a plot armor for Gintoki, or plot device for shogun death or just a plot hole. Maybe Gintoki has a strength and tolerance but still poison would kill him if not suddenly appeared a guy with antidote but not for Shogun (even with him was doctors). Sorachi should have done better this two situations |
Jan 30, 2016 10:35 AM
#143
GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: I'm assuming that the doctors don't have the antidote and only the Mimawarigumi/Bakufu have it, and they aren't gonna help Shige Shige.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: Hmm, well it also depends on one's strength and tolerance. Gintoki fought to stay awake from the poison needles, meanwhile the Shogun kinda went with the flow.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: I edited my previous post a little to add some stuff so I'l post it again: GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: How can you guarantee that the same poison was used on the Shogun?gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. I cant but when Gintoki was attacked by deadly poison needles than he should die but suddenly appeared Sasaki with serum but when random guy attack shogun than he died. Needle from a random guy is more dangerous than Oboro.... Call this plot hole, or plot device for Shogun death, or just Gintoki had plot armor but definitely this situations arent very logical. Let's say that it was the same poison, Gintoki got stabbed in the flesh, meanwhile the Shoun got directly stabbed in his blood veins. The poison took time to spread throughout his body, therefore the antidote helped Gintoki. Meanwhile the poison has already spread through the Shogun as they mention that "...the poison has already spread all over". Nobume said that he will die if he not extract poison and later he was attacked by even more needles. Gin even look worse (bloods on his face) than Shogun. I would say that poison has already spread all over Gintoki body but even that he survived. Like I said before you can call this just a plot armor for Gintoki, or plot device for shogun death or just a plot hole. Maybe Gintoki has a strength and tolerance but still poison would kill him if not suddenly appeared a guy with antidote but not for Shogun (even with him was doctors). Sorachi should have done better this two situations This doctors should be the best they work for Shogun. They should be prepared for many different poisons. |
Jan 30, 2016 10:39 AM
#144
Taito10 said: Well, Shige Shige wasn't the Shogun anymore, and he wasn't in Edo so they had to get random doctors in that area. I'm not sure if Oboro's needles should be considered as a special case.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: Hmm, well it also depends on one's strength and tolerance. Gintoki fought to stay awake from the poison needles, meanwhile the Shogun kinda went with the flow.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: I edited my previous post a little to add some stuff so I'l post it again: GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: How can you guarantee that the same poison was used on the Shogun?gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. I cant but when Gintoki was attacked by deadly poison needles than he should die but suddenly appeared Sasaki with serum but when random guy attack shogun than he died. Needle from a random guy is more dangerous than Oboro.... Call this plot hole, or plot device for Shogun death, or just Gintoki had plot armor but definitely this situations arent very logical. Let's say that it was the same poison, Gintoki got stabbed in the flesh, meanwhile the Shoun got directly stabbed in his blood veins. The poison took time to spread throughout his body, therefore the antidote helped Gintoki. Meanwhile the poison has already spread through the Shogun as they mention that "...the poison has already spread all over". Nobume said that he will die if he not extract poison and later he was attacked by even more needles. Gin even look worse (bloods on his face) than Shogun. I would say that poison has already spread all over Gintoki body but even that he survived. Like I said before you can call this just a plot armor for Gintoki, or plot device for shogun death or just a plot hole. Maybe Gintoki has a strength and tolerance but still poison would kill him if not suddenly appeared a guy with antidote but not for Shogun (even with him was doctors). Sorachi should have done better this two situations This doctors should be the best they work for Shogun. They should be prepared for many different poisons. |
Jan 30, 2016 10:41 AM
#145
GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: Well, Shige Shige wasn't the Shogun anymore, and he wasn't in Edo so they had to get random doctors in that area. I'm not sure if Oboro's needles should be considered as a special case.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: I'm assuming that the doctors don't have the antidote and only the Mimawarigumi/Bakufu have it, and they aren't gonna help Shige Shige.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: Hmm, well it also depends on one's strength and tolerance. Gintoki fought to stay awake from the poison needles, meanwhile the Shogun kinda went with the flow.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: I edited my previous post a little to add some stuff so I'l post it again: GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: How can you guarantee that the same poison was used on the Shogun?gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. I cant but when Gintoki was attacked by deadly poison needles than he should die but suddenly appeared Sasaki with serum but when random guy attack shogun than he died. Needle from a random guy is more dangerous than Oboro.... Call this plot hole, or plot device for Shogun death, or just Gintoki had plot armor but definitely this situations arent very logical. Let's say that it was the same poison, Gintoki got stabbed in the flesh, meanwhile the Shoun got directly stabbed in his blood veins. The poison took time to spread throughout his body, therefore the antidote helped Gintoki. Meanwhile the poison has already spread through the Shogun as they mention that "...the poison has already spread all over". Nobume said that he will die if he not extract poison and later he was attacked by even more needles. Gin even look worse (bloods on his face) than Shogun. I would say that poison has already spread all over Gintoki body but even that he survived. Like I said before you can call this just a plot armor for Gintoki, or plot device for shogun death or just a plot hole. Maybe Gintoki has a strength and tolerance but still poison would kill him if not suddenly appeared a guy with antidote but not for Shogun (even with him was doctors). Sorachi should have done better this two situations This doctors should be the best they work for Shogun. They should be prepared for many different poisons. I really doubt that random doctors would work for (not)Shogun. |
Jan 30, 2016 10:56 AM
#146
Taito10 said: Well, it has to be random doctors, since his normal doctors should be working for Nobu Nobu right now since he's the current head of the Bafuku.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: I'm assuming that the doctors don't have the antidote and only the Mimawarigumi/Bakufu have it, and they aren't gonna help Shige Shige.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: Hmm, well it also depends on one's strength and tolerance. Gintoki fought to stay awake from the poison needles, meanwhile the Shogun kinda went with the flow.GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: I edited my previous post a little to add some stuff so I'l post it again: GoldenDevilGamer said: Taito10 said: How can you guarantee that the same poison was used on the Shogun?gembelela said: Taito10 said: Oboro attacked Gintoki with many poison needles and he survived but one needle kill immediately Shogun. 2/5 I cant tolerate plot hole. and how about Meruem and Ace get killed..?? seems to me more shitplot than anything I ever see they stronger character but die like idiot.. lol Meruem and Ace? Seriously? Wow, you really dont know what you are talking about XD Gintoki survived so also Shogun should be alive. This is just disgusting plot hole. Nothing more, nothing less. I cant but when Gintoki was attacked by deadly poison needles than he should die but suddenly appeared Sasaki with serum but when random guy attack shogun than he died. Needle from a random guy is more dangerous than Oboro.... Call this plot hole, or plot device for Shogun death, or just Gintoki had plot armor but definitely this situations arent very logical. Let's say that it was the same poison, Gintoki got stabbed in the flesh, meanwhile the Shoun got directly stabbed in his blood veins. The poison took time to spread throughout his body, therefore the antidote helped Gintoki. Meanwhile the poison has already spread through the Shogun as they mention that "...the poison has already spread all over". Nobume said that he will die if he not extract poison and later he was attacked by even more needles. Gin even look worse (bloods on his face) than Shogun. I would say that poison has already spread all over Gintoki body but even that he survived. Like I said before you can call this just a plot armor for Gintoki, or plot device for shogun death or just a plot hole. Maybe Gintoki has a strength and tolerance but still poison would kill him if not suddenly appeared a guy with antidote but not for Shogun (even with him was doctors). Sorachi should have done better this two situations This doctors should be the best they work for Shogun. They should be prepared for many different poisons. I really doubt that random doctors would work for (not)Shogun. |
Jan 30, 2016 11:18 AM
#147
Jan 30, 2016 1:51 PM
#148
One of the best Arc, but in the end Shigeshige still died, that was a bummer. The last scene when Soyo-chan serves tea for her borther and the fact she didn't know that her brother is dying on her lap, man dem feels really got me,. Sorachi-sensei just made the most briliant and sad arc at the same time, i still can't believe he really did that. i'm so curious about what will happen next, so excited ! We still don't know what motive behind this unfortunate event, why did that guy kill Shigeshige, so many questions in my head atm. R.I.P Sho-chan |
Jan 30, 2016 3:46 PM
#149
The poisons used were obviously different. The one guy used a poison that was meant to kill the shogun instantly and had to be precisely used (into his blood vein). They had no idea what poison it was and with that they would have no idea how to cure it. When Gintoki was shot, prior knowledge was obviously had and he could've been cured. On top of that as said he wasn't shot in his blood stream and the poison was one that not only hurt Oboro's enemies but also didn't work on himself (and I believe strengthened him). In general you can't compare the two, there are tons of different types of poisons that will be designed for different uses in both fantasy and real life. |
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