ChickenFry said: Actually in the anime, Illya dies after Berserker was killed. She was just holing a rock (which she think is Berserker's leg) when she says: "It's cold, isn't it?". So you are just a little salty? Please, try harder. Berserker gets trapped and Gil pierces him with spear, after which Berserker falls unconscious (or dead, if you really want) while still hanging, fully materialized. Illya then gets to him and yes, she does touch him and not the rock. |
astroprogs said: If HF ended up being a single movie, what would it need to do so it can get a high score from all of you? Not air. |
Aurioch said: ChickenFry said: Actually in the anime, Illya dies after Berserker was killed. She was just holing a rock (which she think is Berserker's leg) when she says: "It's cold, isn't it?". So you are just a little salty? Please, try harder. Berserker gets trapped and Gil pierces him with spear, after which Berserker falls unconscious (or dead, if you really want) while still hanging, fully materialized. Illya then gets to him and yes, she does touch him and not the rock. You should watch the episode again. Cuz you are correct, but you are not right. You should try harder, not me. |
| Chicken what are you even trying to say @_@ I hope you're not quoting Shakespeare again next. |
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Botato said: Chicken what are you even trying to say @_@ I hope you're not quoting Shakespeare again next. I mean he is correct that: Aurioch said: Berserker gets trapped and Gil pierces him with spear, after which Berserker falls unconscious (or dead, if you really want) while still hanging, fully materialized. Illya then gets to him and yes, she does touch him and not the rock. But he is not right about: Anime sequence - Berserker gets trapped - Gil slashes Illya's eyes - Gil pierces Illya - "It's cold, Berserker" - Illya dies - Berserker revives/wakes up (however you want to see it) and breaks Enkidu - surprised Gilgamesh hastily kills Berserker It's like he missed all the scenes after that. But yeah, maybe I shouldn't use this. XD |
| Depends on who you ask, but UBW is a little more popular, and I'd say it's better. |
8animet said: Question to FSN fans: Is Heaven's feel better than UBW? I have heard some interesting things about it and it seems to be exactly what I wanted already in UBW Resolution wise I say Heaven's Feel is better, especially in terms of Ilya, Sakura, Kirie, and the grail itself. UBW is my favorite though but only slightly. |
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| It was flashier than DEEN at least. Each had silly twists, but I can't make a more in depth comparison because I have no desire to rewatch either. |
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8animet said: really depends on what your looking for dude. there is a reason why some people prefer Fate over HF and UBW and UBW over Fate/ and HF and others who prefer HF over Fate and UBW. really you can't have one without the other 2 because it's all 1 story but people have their favorite sections of Fate/stay night.RedRoseFring said: It was flashier than DEEN at least. Each had silly twists, but I can't make a more in depth comparison because I have no desire to rewatch either. Haven't watched Deen (clearly I'm not missing out) but UBW really was medicore Here's hoping HF is better |
8animet said: Question to FSN fans: Is Heaven's feel better than UBW? I have heard some interesting things about it and it seems to be exactly what I wanted already in UBW It has higher heights than UBW, but much lower lows. Very inconsistent, but if Ufotable polish it up, clean up the pacing etc it could be great. |
8animet said: Question to FSN fans: Is Heaven's feel better than UBW? I have heard some interesting things about it and it seems to be exactly what I wanted already in UBW It does have all those things, more or less. It does resolve the grail matter better, but one could argue that the ending as a whole isn't as good. I like HF best because it's basically just an entire route of Kirei trolling absolutely everybody. And it has better fights. But it's tonally different enough that which you like more is going to be a matter of preference more than a matter of quality; in that regard it's pretty close to UBW. Of course that's based on the VN; who knows if that'll apply to the anime. |
fst said: shit in terms of anime you may as well consider F/Z UBW and HF to be the single fate Experience.8animet said: Question to FSN fans: Is Heaven's feel better than UBW? I have heard some interesting things about it and it seems to be exactly what I wanted already in UBW It does have all those things, more or less. It does resolve the grail matter better, but one could argue that the ending as a whole isn't as good. I like HF best because it's basically just an entire route of Kirei trolling absolutely everybody. And it has better fights. But it's tonally different enough that which you like more is going to be a matter of preference more than a matter of quality; in that regard it's pretty close to UBW. Of course that's based on the VN; who knows if that'll apply to the anime. |
| depending on who you ask about HF, you may get answers like: -"HF is equal to UBW, but presented more dark" -"HF is edgy garbage" -"HF is even more edgy than F/Z" -"HF is even darker than F/Z" -"HF is darker than UBW" -"HF is 'more serious' than UBW" -"HF is the one true sequel F/Z fans have been waiting for" -"HF is best, i.e. better than both UBW and F/Z" -etc. In terms of popularity, AFAIK UBW and HF have been equal, since people liked different things about those routes. Fate route was always considered "below" the other two routes in terms of popularity, which tells a lot considering Saber is generally still considered the most popular heroine by far. |
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8animet said: RedRoseFring said: It was flashier than DEEN at least. Each had silly twists, but I can't make a more in depth comparison because I have no desire to rewatch either. Haven't watched Deen (clearly I'm not missing out) but UBW really was medicore Here's hoping HF is better DEEN has better fight transitions funnily enough. I rewatched the end of the movie and going from Shirou vs Gilgamesh beginning to Saber vs Assassin then back to Shirou vs Gilgamesh transitioned much more seemlessly than in UFO. TBH I would watch the movie just to experience it now that you understand the story, the fights are still nice to look at and it has awesome music. Oh and if you like Shinji he's even more ridiculous in the movie than in UFO haha. |
SaintEmiya said: Oh and if you like Shinji he's even more ridiculous in the movie than in UFO haha. The thing is, ufo Shinji is way more likable than DEEN's. He's so over the top in the somewhat realistic show it's not even funny anymore. |
| DEEN movie fight inside UBW summary: Gil: "Fu** it, I don't need my Gate of Babylon for this Faker! I will show him my mad dual wielding skillz!" |
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ProphecyPriest said: SaintEmiya said: Oh and if you like Shinji he's even more ridiculous in the movie than in UFO haha. The thing is, ufo Shinji is way more likable than DEEN's. He's so over the top in the somewhat realistic show it's not even funny anymore. Oh come on, lemme find that swag shinji walk. https://youtu.be/WShUzai50ts?t=6m58s Edit: I forgot how to embed videos :( |
8animet said: SaintEmiya said: DEEN has better fight transitions funnily enough. I rewatched the end of the movie and going from Shirou vs Gilgamesh beginning to Saber vs Assassin then back to Shirou vs Gilgamesh transitioned much more seemlessly than in UFO. TBH I would watch the movie just to experience it now that you understand the story, the fights are still nice to look at and it has awesome music. Oh and if you like Shinji he's even more ridiculous in the movie than in UFO haha. Just the movie or should I also watch the the anime (which gets a lot of hate) Well you probably aren't going to like the DEEN series unless you're a huge saber fan, but I doubt it's going to get animated again soeh, either the series or the VN :P. The movie on the other hand is basically all the fights animated without any plot. It doesn't take a long time to watch and it looks prettyish. |
8animet said: SaintEmiya said: DEEN has better fight transitions funnily enough. I rewatched the end of the movie and going from Shirou vs Gilgamesh beginning to Saber vs Assassin then back to Shirou vs Gilgamesh transitioned much more seemlessly than in UFO. TBH I would watch the movie just to experience it now that you understand the story, the fights are still nice to look at and it has awesome music. Oh and if you like Shinji he's even more ridiculous in the movie than in UFO haha. Just the movie or should I also watch the the anime (which gets a lot of hate) Contrary to popular opinion, DEEN TV F/sn is actually pretty decently watchable. Things that shied people away from it is only the characterization of Shirou (which also poses a bit of problem in UBW TV, but gets even more hate here) and the godforsaken animation. Also if you read the VN before, the storyline wouldn't make sense. |
8animet said: fst said: It does have all those things, more or less. It does resolve the grail matter better, but one could argue that the ending as a whole isn't as good. I like HF best because it's basically just an entire route of Kirei trolling absolutely everybody. And it has better fights. But it's tonally different enough that which you like more is going to be a matter of preference more than a matter of quality; in that regard it's pretty close to UBW. Of course that's based on the VN; who knows if that'll apply to the anime. Kirei trolling everybody sounds great, he was one of my favourite characters in F/Z and I didn't like he got shafted in UBW (especially how he went out was just lame) By tonally different you mean its darker right? That also sounds good to me as I felt that UBW was often too lighthearted it is darker but that's not really what I mean. It still has about as many SoL scenes as UBW. It's just a different story, that's the best way I can put it. |
I was thankful for them omitting the lick, then i remembered that they more than made up for it be the excessive touching. Shinji Matou. His creepiness level is so high it can even get through a PG-13 rating on daytime Japanese television. |
astroprogs said: I was thankful for them omitting the lick, then i remembered that they more than made up for it be the excessive touching. Shinji Matou. His creepiness level is so high it can even get through a PG-13 rating on daytime Japanese television. Aha, Shinji is just too ridiculous for censorship to handle xD |
| I really hope he . Yeah. |
| Just addendum to HF vs UBW. For the first half of HF, it is talky with much exposition on Sakura's past and Ilya's motivation. There are also lots of cooking scenes and horny Shirou's pandering. It gets interesting on the third act as the true nature of grail was revealed. Shit hits the pan when It became more interesting than UBW as it gets darker. The final scene of Shirou's destroying the grail and his fight with Kirei is almost cathartic and imho, the best scene in the series. |
| F0XFIRE said: OP 4 most butthurt bitch on MAL. |
| I think route vs route vs route really comes straight down to personal preference. Simply because the act itself is unnecessary considering they're all companion pieces. |
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WrongPriest said: I think route vs route vs route really comes straight down to personal preference. Simply because the act itself is unnecessary considering they're all companion pieces. Stop being sensible! |
| As the story wise,ubw was pretty boring for me.Gilgamesh not being able to use his full power and Saber basically did nothing in 2nd season.It was pretty disappointing for Kirei kotomie,seeing all his techniques and wisdom in fate zero and being killed easily by lancer in ubw.Archer and shirou's fight was really boring.Overall,in my opinion,this show wasn't really great as much as i have expected considering all the budgets they've spent on it. |
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clintonmadara said: UBW is only one-third of the story, and each route has different characters showing to their fullest due to the situation and opportunity-dependant nature. So UBW has Kirei and Saber taking the back seat as supporting casts (Sakura too of course), while Archer pretty much takes the spotlight. Lancer likewise here, taking more spotlight, Caster as well though here they didn't show it too well. Kirei and Saber has more moments in Fate and Heaven's Feel route. As for Gil, it depends how he behaves per route.As the story wise,ubw was pretty boring for me.Gilgamesh not being able to use his full power and Saber basically did nothing in 2nd season.It was pretty disappointing for Kirei kotomie,seeing all his techniques and wisdom in fate zero and being killed easily by lancer in ubw.Archer and shirou's fight was really boring.Overall,in my opinion,this show wasn't really great as much as i have expected considering all the budgets they've spent on it. |
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| There is one sure thing FZ does miles better than FSN VN: Gil. |
ChickenFry said: well it is kind of apart of what is left for F/Z to do.....you never really get a "gil route". people are just too hung up on their bullshit especialy F/Z fans looking at how the characters are "different" when they should be looking at why the characters may seem different. there are some inconsistencies here and there but for the msot part the characters are in tact.There is one sure thing FZ does miles better than FSN VN: Gil. |
| You could say so. But FSN never gave Gil a proper characterization aside from an arrogant dumbass, considering how much screentime he got. That's why I said FZ does Gil better. |
| Not really, 90% of Gil's character in Zero is "lololol lmao ur shit haha seiba~ deflowered virgin eksdee im so funny mongrel dont touch my swords" "hey kirei you should kill people because I find it amusing". He does have the bit with respecting Rider which is actually well done, but that's a small portion of what we see. I mean most of his character motivation comes from pushing Kirei to being....Kirei whereas in FSN he at least has an actual goal he wants to accomplish. Gil wasn't really good anywhere outside CCC or SF. |
InsertanamehereJun 23, 2015 2:11 PM
| Surely F/Z did it wrong considering F/SN Gil is the original Gil? You can prefer Gil in F/Z but if it's very different to his original character then it's not really gilgamesh. /not understanding that Gil has more anger in him from spending so many years in the modern world. |
Insertanamehere said: Not really, 90% of Gil's character in Zero is "lololol lmao ur shit haha seiba~ deflowered virgin eksdee im so funny mongrel dont touch my swords" "hey kirei you should kill people because I find it amusing". You said like a FZ anti-fan... |
SaintEmiya said: /not understanding that Gil has more anger in him from spending so many years in the modern world. Well he's essentially still the same character and the 10 years thing was there* but when you get down to it most of the portrayal of him as honorouble was just the same as Riders, empty. Urobutcher trying to make a despot look like a reasonable ruler so he can have more seibadespair was uh, yeah, I'm not sure of the word. Even moreso in the anime where they cut out his flashback with Enkidu (well in any case I preferred the CCC one but that would've given his character a some more depth, at least). *The whole anger from spending years in the modern world is only really part of it, since he did spend a considerable amount of those years as a child after taking a youth potion. |
InsertanamehereJun 23, 2015 2:10 PM
Insertanamehere said: SaintEmiya said: /not understanding that Gil has more anger in him from spending so many years in the modern world. Well he's essentially still the same character and the 10 years thing was there* but when you get down to it most of the portrayal of him as honorouble was just the same as Riders, empty. Urobutcher trying to make a despot look like a reasonable ruler so he can have more seibadespair was uh, yeah, I'm not sure of the word. Even moreso in the anime where they cut out his flashback with Enkidu (well in any case I preferred the CCC one but that would've given his character a little more depth, at least). *The whole anger from spending years in the modern world is only really part of it, since he did spend a considerable amount of those years as a child after taking a youth potion. Mhmmm ok, I get you. Personally my favourite moment from Gil was at the end of fate. Those lines were too good. |
SaintEmiya said: Surely F/Z did it wrong considering F/SN Gil is the original Gil? You can prefer Gil in F/Z but if it's very different to his original character then it's not really gilgamesh. Nah, not totally different. But far more interesting. |
| I love Gilgamesh. And I agree, he is much better portrayed in FZ. In HF, he is nearly non-existent and his carelessness made him Sakura's fooder. |
| F0XFIRE said: OP 4 most butthurt bitch on MAL. |
peeyaj said: Read FATEalso SPOILERS |
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peeyaj said: i'd recomend reading the full VN rather than just 1/3rd of it to get your final conclusion on gil. though i honestly don't think it would change your mind so much as give you resolution to the "gil X saber" conflictI love Gilgamesh. And I agree, he is much better portrayed in FZ. In HF, he is nearly non-existent and his carelessness made him Sakura's fooder. |
CookingPriest said: Adapting other routes does absolutely ZERO to characterization of main characters, especially Shirou's. You do not need "three routes" to like him. Each route Shirou is different. Same for Rin, even if she just like Shirou is all over three routes. UBW proper would not make you care for Illya but it certainly would make one understand and see depth of Shirou and Rin, as well as like and see the complexity of Medea. You only see the "complexity" of Medea in HA |
| 1) Don't know, I haven't read it 2) First season 6/10, second 5/10 3) Not enough yaoi and Tomokazu Seki 4) Don't know, was he a stereotypical shounen faggot in the VN too? 5) Believe it or not, people die when they are killed in this anime too |
Comic_SansJun 27, 2015 3:02 AM
 Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Comic_Sans said: yes he's just a shounin faggot and an inferior protag. one day fatefags will finaly realize that fate is a shit shirou a shit and pales in comparison to a true protag1) Don't know, I haven't read it 2) First season 7/10, second 6/10 3) Not enough yaoi and Tomokazu Seki 4) Don't know, was he a stereotypical shounen faggot in the VN too? 5) Believe it or not, people die when they are killed in this anime too |
| Actually I don't want them to animate Tsukihime, imagine how dull its action scenes will be. |
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