| What pisses me off is people who get really depressed for a "short" period of time and what to kill themselves. They have no idea what it like to have a constant state of depression for years on end. If you can still remember a why you became depressed or a time when you lived without depression you have no right to even use the word suicide. |
rTz said: I completely agree with this. That rape analogy was really poor, for the reasons rTz stated above (especially morality but that is kinda going off on a tangent). If someone wishes to commit suicide they should be allowed to, it really is their choice. I personally wouldn't kill myself over something so insignificant as people in this thread have discussed. You know, "people at school were mean to me." Maybe I just don't understand extreme bullying, but things like that just never really affected me, and no one really cared to bully me. I've been through worse things in life, etc etc, but really I never wanted to die. My brother, on the other hand, who grew up in the same family as I and other than being 3 years younger than I experienced similar things in that respect has tried to kill himself. Was he bullied? Not really badly, but all the bullying he got he almost brought it upon himself. By being such an attention seeker and then doing really stupid things. To him being bullied = being paid attention to, but also being bulled = no one likes me = depression. I believe attempting suicide was probably a similar thing. So a lot of people who try to kill themselves are attention seekers. People like that probably need just a bit of therapy and need to grow up and mature. Beyond people being stupid emo kids who want to "kill themselves" for attention, suicide can be a good or bad idea. I don't know, doesn't it depend on the situation? If you are depressed every day then I would suggest picking yourself up and getting your shit together, taking control back, but you can kill yourself if you want. Personally I like being alive, even if a portion of my life is "in the future I can...." and for me the worst thought is "when will I actually reach "the future", and will I spend my entire life waiting?" As depressing as I find that, it still doesn't lead me to the resolution of "well might as well kill myself and get it over with early" Since I do enjoy some things in life, and even if the future is a big part of my plans, if you're smart about it, a bit lucky, and if you really want to, you probably can break out of living a really shitty un-noteworthy life. Personally, if my life stagnated that much, I plan to "peace out" and say "later" all mah dawgs and disappear for a while. Pick up whatever money I have and leave. But right now the things I am interested in keep me invested in this current live I've decided to live. Really, choosing to live, choosing how to live, and choice in general is just really important to me. Also, as much as I love myself, if I were really in a bad spot, I would look for any way out, and do whatever it takes to take control back, including suicide. Like being tied up and tortured every day, I would probably try to kill whomever did this, and if I failed, kill myself. I find that most logical, and a good choice. I am not even violent, I just like to choose my situation. Usually if you really use your mind to think things through, suicide is not the only choice you have. In the end, everyone should be able to choose to do what they want, live, kill themselves, or stare at a wall and think "nothing really matters" Personally I just think most people don't really want to kill themselves, and probably don't have to and wont try hard enough to actually do it. This seems to be the majority of the people in this thread who have admitted to trying/thinking about it. I don't know bros, just, I don't know... |
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| i have strong feelings about this topic. i had to watch one of my best friends go through hell and back after attempting suicide. after attempting to cut himself (his mother walked in on him before he could finish) he was given anti-depression medication. later he attempted to kill himself with this, and other medications. luckily he was hospitalized in time. he spent the next couple months in a psych ward. the whole time i felt helpless. i hated myself for not seeing signs, or being able to help him. his father has been in prision since he was young, his mother doesn't have a a job and hes not that popular at school (one of the reasons being anime). it just hurt me to see him go through this because of how close we were. i dont want anyone to have to go through what he did, or what i did. |
-Spooky- said: its not too late to help out. im glad that you are trying your best to help him out and sort out the inner demons that is really killing him inside. best of luck to you and especially your friend.i have strong feelings about this topic. i had to watch one of my best friends go through hell and back after attempting suicide. after attempting to cut himself (his mother walked in on him before he could finish) he was given anti-depression medication. later he attempted to kill himself with this, and other medications. luckily he was hospitalized in time. he spent the next couple months in a psych ward. the whole time i felt helpless. i hated myself for not seeing signs, or being able to help him. his father has been in prision since he was young, his mother doesn't have a a job and hes not that popular at school (one of the reasons being anime). it just hurt me to see him go through this because of how close we were. i dont want anyone to have to go through what he did, or what i did. |
thank you. means a lot to me that other people actually care. usually in topics like this all i see are people shouting "DO IT!" and it pisses me off. |
-Spooky- said: thank you. means a lot to me that other people actually care. usually in topics like this all i see are people shouting "DO IT!" and it pisses me off. i agree, and thats why i started this thread. Just to let people know that there are people who care and who will listen, even if it is online, and the other person is thousands of miles away. Its amazing the difference a conversation can make. |
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Argalet said: Undead_Slave said: You are not the one to determine when someone is allowed to think of suicide. I think it's bad, even when you "only" have it temporarily.What pisses me off is people who get really depressed for a "short" period of time and what to kill themselves. They have no idea what it like to have a constant state of depression for years on end. If you can still remember a why you became depressed or a time when you lived without depression you have no right to even use the word suicide. Very agree. It gets me thinking too, what grinds my gears is people who seem to think they have some mystical right to declare that their mental/physical condition is harder to deal with or more painful than someone else's. Bottom line, depression is depressing. |
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| As I've said in these kinds of topics, I've never felt suicidal in my life. But I sometimes doubt that I've ever felt even truly depressed. I mean, it seems like the closest I've ever gotten was panic and lethargy. And that lethargy is usually from a stomach ache or something like that. In high school it felt like a certain few were out to get me and I was worried for my future. A person did nearly split open my head in the middle of gym. But I wasn't sad all the time, I just sort of felt "on edge" all the time. I didn't want to kill myself, I just wanted less stress and worry. The fact I've asked myself if I've ever truly felt depression, makes me think I've probably never been depressed. Psychopathic and alienated maybe, but not depressed. More on topic: People always treat suicidal talk as a bad thing because supposed person doesn't "mean it". I've never understood it. I mean, so what? Everybody has ways of showing weakness and while I think it's better to find other ways to make a "cry for help", a cry for help in my opinion, should always be paid attention to. Everyone has to "let out" sometime, we can't all see and pay for psychiatrists. People should promote mental health in general. Meaning it or not, someone who talks about things such a suicide as something they want to do, is likely not in the happiest or most content of states, and probably deserves a hug or two instead of a punch in the face. As for "suicide hurts others", sometimes it hurts others. However, I don't see this as a major impact enough for one to force themselves to go on living. People are always going to have to deal with others dying. And if someone feels suicidal, their pain is likely far greater than those around them who would mourn their loss. If you don't want someone you care about to die, then it's your business to try to make their life more enjoyable. The fact that others may miss a person does not make suicide "wrong", in my opinion. A person's first and most basic ownership, is themselves. Even to destroy, it's heinous to bring the morals of interpersonal care before the respect to individual freedom. It's their body and no authority is greater than one to oneself. |
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| One of my old school friends killed himself a few years back. Heard that someone had been hit by a train and then one of my mates told me who it was. It happened about a year after we'd left school and I'd not seen him since so I'm unsure of the exact details as to why. He was the last person you'd expect to do something like that. For whatever reason though this was his decision and in his eyes the only solution to his problems. Ive always thought of suicide as an easy and a rather selfish way out. Although I still stand by this I've come to realize that depression (real depression) is quite a serious illness. |
| I think my bloodline is cursed with committing suicide at a young age. Of course something like that makes me think about the possibilities of it, but I wouldn't want to hurt anyone that cares about me, especially seeing how my mother took the loss of her younger brother(suicide at age 22). If i were to die of other reasons I wouldn't mind... that may sound depressing, but I don't think I'm suffering from depression maybe just an extreme case of indifference. |
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Choosy_Green said: If someone wishes to commit suicide they should be allowed to, it really is their choice. It's a serial killer's choice to kill the people he choses to kill. Besides, if they really want to kill them selves, they don't need to be allowed to. If they do it in an area where people can save them, or they can't think of a more effective way to kill themselves before they're able to die, then they probably really never wanted to die. |
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rTz said: That is a terrible analogy, because rape directly, physically hurts others, while suicide only hurts the self. I just want to point out that rape doesn't always physically harm someone....and alot of the time rape causes more emotianal stress and pain than it does physical Which then brings me to rTz said: Hurts them emotionally, boo-hoo. It's not the person committing suicide at fault If rape would cause more emotional pain than physical pain; and refering to your quote on how it's not the person who commited suicide's fault that the rest are in an emotional distress, then, why would the person that raped the other person be at fault for their emotional distress? I mean, it's the other person's mind set and feelings that made them so upset, paranoid, scared, etc.... |
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| I feel bad for people that have committed suicide and at the same time I feel angry at the fact that some people like to convince others to comitt suicide much like that Melchert-Dinkel guy. I mean what the fuck is wrong with people like that |
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SonicMTD said: I feel bad for people that have committed suicide and at the same time I feel angry at the fact that some people like to convince others to comitt suicide much like that Melchert-Dinkel guy. I mean what the fuck is wrong with people like that agree. all those who shout "do it! do it!" its not helpful or clever, and they should just shut up. |
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| i have a question. -.- will someone who decided to commit suicide post it on blog or even talk about it? well, i think someone who firmly decided to die , wouldn't want to discuss it or be prevented from it. maybe it makes me sound like heartless but that's what i really think. Cause if one day i will decide to die i don't really want whole human kind to interfere and save me. and i think everyone has suicidal thoughts sometimes, just it's not necessary to put it into practice. And seriously why the hell blogs??? don't we have enough psychologists? i hope i'm not being mean now, am i? |
DurieDec 21, 2009 4:49 PM
| I've had suicidal thoughts once or twice, but they were never serious or emo. It was just a quick "I wonder what would happen if I fell out of this two story window" kinda thing. I am no where near as stupid as to kill myself. I haven't had them because of depression though. When I'm depressed, it's usually during times off from school because I feel like I'm wasting my time. My problem with killing yourself is the leaving of your parents. You're leaving them with costs for a funeral, possible debts, sadness, etc. |
ArtRodriguez said: My problem with killing yourself is the leaving of your parents. You're leaving them with costs for a funeral, possible debts, sadness, etc. Yeah, practical way of thinking |
| Yeah, you think your parents/family shit money? |
ArtRodriguez said: Yeah, you think your parents/family shit money? XD that's it. if you wanna die you have to go jump off some cliff in some ravine where no one will find you, so your parents wouldn't be obligated to pay for your funeral XD |
| I know that's sarcasm, but actually yeah. Don't make a damn mess. If you're a 13 year old scene kid who lives with his parents, don't fuck up your parents couch. Have the decency to blow your brains out near a river. |
ArtRodriguez said: I know that's sarcasm, but actually yeah. Don't make a damn mess. If you're a 13 year old scene kid who lives with his parents, don't fuck up your parents couch. Have the decency to blow your brains out near a river. i think now both of us are being hursh. maybe it's faulty logic of mine but i really think that showing off your corpse isn't good. Come on! it's hard without that so why make it even harder. yeah, my parents simply piss me off but i can't doom even them like that. |
| Are funerals for deaths of this nature really mandatory? For example, if I were to up and kill myself but kindly left a note on the refrigerator door that said "please do not waste you hard-earned money on a funeral I will not care about, because I am dead." Would the law still require them to have one for me? I only ask because that's what the above posts lead me to believe. I always assumed it was a choice. |
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firy said: i have a question. -.- will someone who decided to commit suicide post it on blog or even talk about it? well, i think someone who firmly decided to die , wouldn't want to discuss it or be prevented from it. maybe it makes me sound like heartless but that's what i really think. Cause if one day i will decide to die i don't really want whole human kind to interfere and save me. and i think everyone has suicidal thoughts sometimes, just it's not necessary to put it into practice. And seriously why the hell blogs??? don't we have enough psychologists? i hope i'm not being mean now, am i? Most of the time no. 98% of the time people do that is just a cry for attention. |
ParisainGoldfish said: Are funerals for deaths of this nature really mandatory? For example, if I were to up and kill myself but kindly left a note on the refrigerator door that said "please do not waste you hard-earned money on a funeral I will not care about, because I am dead." Would the law still require them to have one for me? I only ask because that's what the above posts lead me to believe. I always assumed it was a choice. I'm pretty sure that if the family cant afford to pay for a funeral that the local council just organizes some sort of burial. But I know, having lost a child myself that most perents would want to have a funeral for their son or daughter. and also suicide is very serious while wat Drunk Samurai said is true and most threats are just a cry for attention I think its important for ppl to still take notice on the off chance that they really are serious. |
Jakxon said: ParisainGoldfish said: Are funerals for deaths of this nature really mandatory? For example, if I were to up and kill myself but kindly left a note on the refrigerator door that said "please do not waste you hard-earned money on a funeral I will not care about, because I am dead." Would the law still require them to have one for me? I only ask because that's what the above posts lead me to believe. I always assumed it was a choice. I'm pretty sure that if the family cant afford to pay for a funeral that the local council just organizes some sort of burial. But I know, having lost a child myself that most perents would want to have a funeral for their son or daughter. and also suicide is very serious while wat Drunk Samurai said is true and most threats are just a cry for attention I think its important for ppl to still take notice on the off chance that they really are serious. I wasn't doubting a parent's desire for a funeral, but rather, just wondering if there was actually any active governing law that stated a funeral for this sort of incident was absolutely mandatory. Also, my condolences, I don't think my mental self could deal with the stress of something like that happening. |
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| In the beginning of this thread it reminded me of Kara no kyoukai. Drunk_Samurai said: firy said: i have a question. -.- will someone who decided to commit suicide post it on blog or even talk about it? well, i think someone who firmly decided to die , wouldn't want to discuss it or be prevented from it. maybe it makes me sound like heartless but that's what i really think. Cause if one day i will decide to die i don't really want whole human kind to interfere and save me. and i think everyone has suicidal thoughts sometimes, just it's not necessary to put it into practice. And seriously why the hell blogs??? don't we have enough psychologists? i hope i'm not being mean now, am i? Most of the time no. 98% of the time people do that is just a cry for attention. Where are you pulling these stats from? |
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ikuto said: In the beginning of this thread it reminded me of Kara no kyoukai. Drunk_Samurai said: firy said: i have a question. -.- will someone who decided to commit suicide post it on blog or even talk about it? well, i think someone who firmly decided to die , wouldn't want to discuss it or be prevented from it. maybe it makes me sound like heartless but that's what i really think. Cause if one day i will decide to die i don't really want whole human kind to interfere and save me. and i think everyone has suicidal thoughts sometimes, just it's not necessary to put it into practice. And seriously why the hell blogs??? don't we have enough psychologists? i hope i'm not being mean now, am i? Most of the time no. 98% of the time people do that is just a cry for attention. Where are you pulling these stats from? Probably walking out the front door. He may be off, but strictly on a numeric basis. It's rare someone who pisses and whines is really going to do anything. They're either just, as he said, attention grabbing, or they are just being angsty. Which passes, so they're essentially safe. |
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| Nah, he might be off entirely. Suicide tendencies is a mixture of various factors. To say the factor is only seeking for attention is yet another ignorant, if not false, statement by the courtesy of Drunk_samurai. (Yes, he happens to be full of them, unfortunately.) It's easy to state random numbers due to personal experience and exposure to mass media and various other influential factors. But the world rarely is that simple. |
Tachii said: Nah, he might be off entirely. Suicide tendencies is a mixture of various factors. To say the factor is only seeking for attention is yet another ignorant, if not false, statement by the courtesy of Drunk_samurai. (Yes, he happens to be full of them, unfortunately.) It's easy to state random numbers due to personal experience and exposure to mass media and various other influential factors. But the world rarely is that simple. I don't think a lot of people cut/attempt suicide for attention. I used to cut myself, and I made sure that no one could ever see my cuts. My friends only found out when I confessed to them about what I had been doing. It's something I'm quite ashamed of, and I really don't want people in my life to know this about me. |
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ParisainGoldfish said: Are funerals for deaths of this nature really mandatory? For example, if I were to up and kill myself but kindly left a note on the refrigerator door that said "please do not waste you hard-earned money on a funeral I will not care about, because I am dead." Would the law still require them to have one for me? I only ask because that's what the above posts lead me to believe. I always assumed it was a choice. lol. probably would require at least a cremation just for sanitary reasons |
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Tachii said: Nah, he might be off entirely. Suicide tendencies is a mixture of various factors. To say the factor is only seeking for attention is yet another ignorant, if not false, statement by the courtesy of Drunk_samurai. (Yes, he happens to be full of them, unfortunately.) It's easy to state random numbers due to personal experience and exposure to mass media and various other influential factors. But the world rarely is that simple. You obviously can't read. I recommend going back to second grade. I never once said that people who do that are only trying to seek attention. |
| ^ what's with the annoying shit above??!!! anyways..guess most of them, who commited suicide, regreted what they did. but you can't blamethem . the modern world is too cruel... |
SniFear said: ^ what's with the annoying shit above??!!! anyways..guess most of them, who commited suicide, regreted what they did. but you can't blamethem . the modern world is too cruel... Wait wat. How could you know if people who committed suicide regretted it? |
ShadowbladeEdge said: SniFear said: Maybe you can't, but I sure can, I don't have any sympathy for people who commit suicide.but you can't blamethem . the modern world is too cruel... guess not...until your related/know that person Drunk_Samurai said: SniFear said: ^ what's with the annoying shit above??!!! anyways..guess most of them, who commited suicide, regreted what they did. but you can't blamethem . the modern world is too cruel... Wait wat. How could you know if people who committed suicide regretted it? cuz mistakes can't be corrected by another mistake.. you'll lose everything from the moment you commit that single mistake. |
| Sorry to sound harsh but the world is getting over populated as it is. Did you know the birth rate is more than the death rate in a lot of countries? Resources are slowly dying out too (ie. fuel). We could use a few dead people. SniFear said: but you can't blamethem . the modern world is too cruel... It's called survival of the fittest. The world was made cruel to help humans become stronger. You simply cannot expect the world to treat you kind. You can't learn that way. The greatest lessons in life come from failures, not success. |
Drunk_Samurai said: You obviously can't read. I recommend going back to second grade. I never once said that people who do that are only trying to seek attention. Drunk_Samurai said: Yes sir, I obviously can't. With your single reason being "cry for attention" supporting your false statistic, how 'obvious' can it get, I wonder?98% of the time people do that is just a cry for attention. |
SniFear said: ShadowbladeEdge said: SniFear said: Maybe you can't, but I sure can, I don't have any sympathy for people who commit suicide.but you can't blamethem . the modern world is too cruel... guess not...until your related/know that person Drunk_Samurai said: SniFear said: ^ what's with the annoying shit above??!!! anyways..guess most of them, who commited suicide, regreted what they did. but you can't blamethem . the modern world is too cruel... Wait wat. How could you know if people who committed suicide regretted it? cuz mistakes can't be corrected by another mistake.. you'll lose everything from the moment you commit that single mistake. So you suddenly can talk to every person who committed suicide and they all told you they regretted it? Tachii said: Drunk_Samurai said: You obviously can't read. I recommend going back to second grade. I never once said that people who do that are only trying to seek attention. Drunk_Samurai said: Yes sir, I obviously can't. With your single reason being "cry for attention" supporting your false statistic, how 'obvious' can it get, I wonder?98% of the time people do that is just a cry for attention. So suddenly 98% becomes 100%? Not once did I say that is the only reason they do it. Obviously the other reason would be if they mean it. |
| You don't have to implicitly state it's the only reason if all you said was just one reason. What I was trying to say for the past few posts is that your statistics has no proof whatsoever, so that "it might be off entirely", and that, 98% of the people don't just do it for attention. But what's the point really? All you're going to say next is some other ignorant post that disregard everything we've been trying to tell you. |
Tachii said: You don't have to implicitly state it's the only reason if all you said was just one reason. What I was trying to say for the past few posts is that your statistics has no proof whatsoever, so that "it might be off entirely", and that, 98% of the people don't just do it for attention. But what's the point really? All you're going to say next is some other ignorant post that disregard everything we've been trying to tell you. The fact is MOST people who put it on blogs/myspace/facebook/whatever are only doing it for attention. |
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