BigSimo said: When you finish university, do you plan on getting a job where you are paid? Or do you plan on being an artist, making art purely for art's sake, not caring if it makes any money at all?... The only reason I complain - or rather, despair - is because so many people seem complacent with the over-abundance of anime manufactured for a specific purpose - to appeal to a particular audience with tired cliches and make $$$. There is no value in anime that is designed with that purpose in mind, and it makes me sick... Anime is made to make money, at least enough money that the production companies don't all go bankrupt. So your complaint that they are just making anime to sell it and make $$$ is difficult to comprehend. Do you expect them all to make art no matter the cost and no matter the sales? That's a pretty unrealistic expectation. You say the otaku buy the same stuff over and over... but that's just called a good, repeatable business model. Honestly the anime industry has a HUGE amount of variety. I don't know why anyone can complain. I'm honestly shocked that they make so many shows when it seems like many of them don't sell very well. It seems like there are a lot of overworked starving animators in the business. The amount of money that original creators make is very small unless you're lucky and you have the next SAO or SnK and sell millions of copies of your books and tens of thousands of copies of the adaptation discs. Most manga books never rank at all. Getting into the top 50 means you're doing well. That's why we see some adaptations of works which never even rank in the book lists. If their adaptation only sells a 1000 copies of a one cour anime then those original writers get very little, maybe $5000 for all the sales, perhaps some more if they were paid an up front fee for the manuscript. Unless you're a top of the list guy you don't get much money and many of them, including the top guys, work a zillion hours a week trying to get all their material done. Can you really complain about them trying to make stuff which will sell? Or would you rather see **,*** in the chart for them, not ranking at all but for which a few MAL fans stand up and clap? Good job, great stuff, sorry people in Japan didn't buy it, sorry about your luck. Make more like that, please! It's a commercial business. End of story. If UtaPri, LoveLive, SnK, Monogatari, Madoka are selling then well, people are going to try that formula and see if they can make it work even half as well which would be great. In general they want to make books and discs that people want to buy. If people buy harems they'll make harems. If they want reverse harems, that's what they'll make. If you want to make something that no one buys, write it yourself, animate it yourself. If you have a publishing company or committee putting up the money to make your anime then well, they are going to want to get a return on their investment so your risky, personal pet project probably isn't going to get off the ground. |
hpulleyApr 10, 2014 4:18 AM
| Given that anything that sells well can be retrospectively described as 'otaku bait' then the statement 'only otaku bait sells' is devoid of any meaning whatsoever. If you want to get a narrower definition of otaku bait than 'stuff otaku love' and instead focus on 'stuff that people who aren't otaku probably wouldn't be able to fully enjoy' then you'd find that these series are almost never the big sellers. The most recent example of this is Outbreak Company, which average 1438 (source: someanithing). |
kuuderes_shadowApr 10, 2014 5:33 AM
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| It is unfortunate that we only get the "total franchise sales" numbers for the big sellers. Monogatari, SnK, One Piece, LoveLive!, Free!, Madoka, they all sell billions of yen of total merchandise so we know they're doing great. For Outbreak Company it is tough to know. We can get the novel sales, look for an anime bump. We can see the disc sales. But we don't know everything. Nor do we know how much they spent on the anime though we can estimate it. Oricon sales are not totals, they are just the reported amounts so it is difficult to know whether things really break even or not. But it is obvious that SAO in both novels and discs, made way more than Outbreak company. Production Committees would rather make another SAO than another Outbreak Company, no matter how much you or I preferred one over the other. |
GuiltyKing said: I'm glad that the sales of shows like F/Z or anohana prove that theory of yours wrong. Yeah, Fate/Zero, the franchise with the female character whos had more figurines made than almost any other character in the last 10 years, isn't an otaku bait series. Sabers design and character personality waren't made with any thought of pandering at all. You're totally right. |
RyanSaotomeApr 10, 2014 7:22 AM
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Sury said: Same here <3tsubasalover said: *1. 127,501 127,501 Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Movie 3: Hangyaku no Monogatari Limited Edition One of them is mine. <3 |
GuiltyKing said: This is a depressing thought. Assuming that only 'moe-shit' will sell and thus primarily relying on that as an industry is really discouraging for anime fans. I'm glad that the sales of shows like F/Z or anohana prove that theory of yours wrong. Gundam Unicorn for me. It contains almost nothing that resembles a typical modern day hit anime (Madoka, Love Live, Monogatari, Attack on Titan etc.) and just basically tells it's story well with with a sense of agency and maturity. It's such an out of place artifact of an anime that feels like it should have come out in the 90's. It's inexplicable to me how it does so well going by current trends other than it must attract a lot of middle aged salary men who haven't watched anime in years but are suddenly interested in just this work. I also don't see it succeeding anywhere other than in the OVA market. Anyway I thought Mekaku City Actors was pretty much predestined to be this seasons big deal sales wise. It seems to have pretty much all the necessary pieces in play with a pre-installed fervent audience that looks bigger than even Love Lives, fujoshi considerations, hyping and marketing by Aniplex as well as current otaku fan favorite SHAFT on animation production with the franchises original creator writing. It seems like it would take a hell of a lot for all that to not work out in it's favor, but then again I felt the same way about Guilty Crown and it hardly became the next big thing. BigSimo said: The only reason I complain - or rather, despair - is because so many people seem complacent with the over-abundance of anime manufactured for a specific purpose - to appeal to a particular audience with tired cliches and make $$$. There is no value in anime that is designed with that purpose in mind, and it makes me sick. I probably shouldn't complain as much as I do (I post despairing comments in these types of threads a lot), but I guess I want other people to take a step back and think "hey yeah, this is a pretty unfortunate state of affairs." It ultimately won't achieve anything, but it would be nice to know that people agree with me, that people are as passionate about anime and the true artistic marvels as I am. I definitely get where you're coming from though I'm not sure complacent is the right word. At the end of the day there's pretty well nothing anybody can do about it, but at the same time I have a hard time understanding why the same basic stuff and names always selling well is so celebrated. To me it's a way bigger deal and cause for consideration when something other than a SHAFT or Kyoani title aiming at Light Novel fans sells well as opposed to the other way around cause that's just kind of the status quo right now. Obviously I have a bit of a bias here because I really don't like what it is they do typically and just see their output as kind of soulless and cynical and also agree that there's little value in anime that aims to do nothing more than make money. That's why I consider it pretty dark times that somebody like Akiyuki Shinbo who pretty much flat out stated that his main goal as a director is to work on anime that will sell well and make lots of money is one of the most celebrated and rewarded names in the industry right now. It really doesn't sit well with me as a fan that it's come down to that and it looks poised to continue with Mekaku City Actors. I think the borderline hegemony (it's not one yet I'd say but a few more huge hits and I think it will be hard not to recognize it as one) of one creator and studio, especially one primarily interested in turning a profit for his sponsors is the sort of thing that's only going to drive industry standards and creative incentive down if other people are forced to follow in his footsteps because it proves the key to success. So that's kind of my main concern as far as where sales trends are going and that I'd wish people would be a little more wary of or if it's really a good thing for anime as a whole. |
PeacingOutApr 10, 2014 12:21 PM
Hahalollawl said: I'm not sure that the animation studio A-1 Pictures had enough stake in either show for it to make them or break them either way. Aniplex was on the committee for both but there were other partners on both works. I think it would be overly simplistic to say they used SAO to pay for SSY. They would probably rather make two SAOs than a big hit and a big bomb.hpulley said: But it is obvious that SAO in both novels and discs, made way more than Outbreak company. Production Committees would rather make another SAO than another Outbreak Company, no matter how much you or I preferred one over the other. One could even argue that those big hits/harems that are beloved by fans/otaku but that some people might complain about are what keep production committee members afloat and perhaps are what even allow them to take chances on some shows that may not succeed. In other words, what if the shows like SAO are allowing the studios/committees like A1 to take risks on shows like SSY? Would some people still be so quick to criticize/complain about the SAO sales? Harems being hits though. I'm not even sure you can classify SAO or Monogatari as harems really. Both MCs have sisters that like them and some other girls are around but for the most part they both have one main squeeze. The funny thing is that Outbreak Company is the more haremy show out of SAO and OC... |
Progeusz said: Sury said: Same here <3tsubasalover said: *1. 127,501 127,501 Mahou Shoujo Madoka★Magica Movie 3: Hangyaku no Monogatari Limited Edition One of them is mine. <3 Got my copy 2 days back, what I found surprising is that what we got in the extra disc is essentially a second copy of the movie minus the subtitles that the main disc have. I haven't really watched the extra movie copy because of the lack of subtitles which is named "Homura First Take" but in the last scene of the movie where Homura is dancing I do heard her "humming" something. I hope we see more shows that is release from Japan with embedded subtitles, makes it more reasonable for us to buy and support the shows we really like, having bigger shows to have subtitles is a big first step (although I am well aware how small the market really is outside Japan, but it is still nice if we can have one). I remember BRS TV Limited Edition that is really expensive which I bought mainly for Figma Insane-BRS, but to my surprise, the BDs have english subtitle on it which makes buying it more worthy and with no regret, thanks to the subs the disc isn't left to dust, been watching it from time to time. Some shows that I would have bought if subs are available is the movie "Sakasama no Patema." |
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| Bleh, Mekakus BD is being sold for like 3k yen. So much for a fair comparison. |
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Hahalollawl said: I don't and can't claim to know what happens at A-1 so I won't. ... Well I don't know how much money was involved/made and if they specifically used money from one to pay for the other, so maybe I shouldn't have used so specific an example (but you mentioned SAO =P). But in a more general sense, I don't think it's too controversial to suggest that the anime shows that sell a lot might help to keep the industry/companies alive and allow them to weather some poor sellers without going bankrupt. They might say, "Phew, good thing we made SAO so it didn't matter so much that we lost our shirts on SSY." But I still doubt they would ever say, "We've had a few hit shows lately! So why not make a few non-otaku bombs just to make sure we can still be called artists?" |
| I think Shin Sekai Yori was a chance to make something artsy and willing to take a risk. But Aniplex has enough money they can do those types of shows sometimes (Ping Pong this season too). |
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| I would love to be a fly on the wall of Aniplex's boardroom when they are deciding what to make, where to put their money. I wish I had insight into their discussions. Do they look at some shows and decide how much money to put into them based upon the expected sales? They must, I assume so anyway. But do they hope every show they plan will at least break even? Sounds impossible to do so. So I wonder what hope they had of SSY at least breaking even. 10%, 50%? Were they happy with 600 sales? Or was even that below their lowered expectations? I would love to know... Ping Pong looks quite cheap. Do they expect it to break even? Is that why it doesn't exactly have the animation quality of KnB or was that purely an artistic decision? I would love to know... |
hpulleyApr 11, 2014 9:04 AM
RyanSaotome said: Bleh, Mekakus BD is being sold for like 3k yen. So much for a fair comparison. Yeah if you're going the dirt cheap route (I heard the DVD's are only 2,800 yen and considering this audiences main audience is female) with something that's already popular like that there really isn't much of a reason for comparison, of course it's going to be a huge seller. Even if the fans are kind of just okay on the anime they can probably still snatch it up at a bargain once it's more than likely discounted even further on Amazon for the music alone. It seems like Aniplex is mainly just trying to get some sort of volume average sales record with this or something, it's the impression I've had of this show since the beginning that it's mainly a commercial interest thing and this kind of proves it. hpulley said: I would love to be a fly on the wall of Aniplex's boardroom when they are deciding what to make, where to put their money. I wish I had insight into their discussions. Do they look at some shows and decide how much money to put into them based upon the expected sales? They must, I assume so anyway. But do they hope every show they plan will at least break even? Sounds impossible to do so. So I wonder what hope they had of SSY at least breaking even. 10%, 50%? Were they happy with 600 sales? Or was even that below their lowered expectations? I would love to know... Ping Pong looks quite cheap. Do they expect it to break even? Is that why it doesn't exactly have the animation quality of KnB or was that purely an artistic decision? I would love to know... I'm surprised something like that even got funded by them. They just seem like such an all for the profit company with regard to always trying to get a hot light novel license and promoting the hell out of it way more than anime by other producers are. Shin Sekai Yori just really seems so far removed from their typical outputs of stuff like SAO, Mahouka, Kagerou Days, Monogatari etc. |
PeacingOutApr 11, 2014 9:08 AM
scytheavatar said: hpulley said: I would love to be a fly on the wall of Aniplex's boardroom when they are deciding what to make, where to put their money. I wish I had insight into their discussions. Do they look at some shows and decide how much money to put into them based upon the expected sales? They must, I assume so anyway. But do they hope every show they plan will at least break even? Sounds impossible to do so. So I wonder what hope they had of SSY at least breaking even. 10%, 50%? Were they happy with 600 sales? Or was even that below their lowered expectations? I would love to know... It has been mentioned by one of those ANN articles that 70% of all anime at least break even given enough years of TV reruns and DVD back catalogs, so the odds of most Aniplex series breaking even is much higher than you think. You would be foolish or trolling to claim that Aniplex doesn't take risks, can you seriously say that you had expected Madoka or Anohana to have been sure hits? Even something like Bakemonogatari was anything but your typical show during its time. I don't know to me they always look like they are trying to go for the easy hit by taking already popular source material and/or getting whatever popular names in the industry and with otaku on staff. Not necessarily the best people for the job, but rather just the most popular names to draw in the biggest possible initial audience. Something like Gen Urobuchi, Hiroyuki Yoshino or Mari Okada on writing, Shinbo or Araki or something on directing, Kaijura or Sawano on music etc. Some of the shows turn out pretty good still, but a lot crash and burn for me in unexpected ways because it seems like they care more about advertising and trying to maximize potential audiences than just making a good show that's clear on what it wants to be and where it wants to go. It's pretty blatant what there approach is and why it's by and large a commercial one and also why I'm always going to be skeptical of anything with the Aniplex label from now on and whether it is what it's advertised and hyped up to be by the company and fans themselves which tend to be of the fanatical type that doesn't grasp that not everybody likes what they like. Speaking of grasping stuff, I still can't get how something like Shin Sekai Yori got funded by them because it's so far removed from their typical M.O. Maybe some producer owed somebody a favor or something and had to greenlight it for whatever reason but it's just not the kind of thing I would expect to see out of their umbrella in the post 2010 era of anime because it's just so non-current and bleeding edge hyped. |
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scytheavatar said: First, I'm not trolling. Have I ever trolled? Not that I can remember. I'm not good at sarcasm either so I try to avoid it; too easy to be misunderstood. ... It has been mentioned by one of those ANN articles that 70% of all anime at least break even given enough years of TV reruns and DVD back catalogs, so the odds of most Aniplex series breaking even is much higher than you think. You would be foolish or trolling to claim that Aniplex doesn't take risks, can you seriously say that you had expected Madoka or Anohana to have been sure hits? Even something like Bakemonogatari was anything but your typical show during its time. I'm sure they do take risks but calculated ones and that's what I'd love to know. Businesses don't just throw things out there and see what sticks. Business is all about taking risks but controlling them, managing them. They have plans, metrics, risk mitigation techniques. They have to decide which series to advertise heavily, which have enough word of mouth/tweet hype that they don't need it. Which series to sink a lot of money into, upon which to spend minimally. You talk about 70% of series eventually breaking even after 3 years which is good I guess but speaking of ANN articles, Hahalollawl sent me this one: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interview/2014-03-04/interview-masahiro-ando Interesting final paragraph: It's odd. There are always several projects going on with people like me who are working in anime all the time. But a lot of them just don't get animated, or only do after a lot of time has passed. Years from now, if you hear about a project I am directing, think to yourself, "Oh, this would be something he mentioned years ago, and it finally happened!" It's really a miracle that anything gets made, because out of a hundred ideas that are proposed at any time, only one or two will end up being animated. So the next time you see an anime, coming from me or anywhere, take a moment to say "Oh! This got to be created!" It's a miracle. So again, my question is, out of all the anime they consider making, why do they choose to make SSY or Ping Pong instead of the other 98% which apparently get tossed out. And I understand that the 100 ideas may include 20 different pitches for the same manga adaptation but still, if they really are culling 98% of the pitches... they must be fairly picky in deciding which ones to make. Choosing to make 2% of them and having only not even 3/4 of that select number barely break even doesn't sound that good. Or maybe that means its working? |
rederoin said: Since I posted them last season, here are a bunch of the first episode ratings from NicoNico. link I don't think they have a big affect on the sale though, if they have an effect at all. Are there any anime this season with a 70% or lower rating? If so just post the link for them. |
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Hoppy said: rederoin said: Since I posted them last season, here are a bunch of the first episode ratings from NicoNico. link I don't think they have a big affect on the sale though, if they have an effect at all. Are there any anime this season with a 70% or lower rating? If so just post the link for them. Lowest is AnR with 84.5%. But so far only the first episodes of 10 anime of Spring have been shown on NicoNico. |
| AnR might be doing better among more casual audiences; it's generating a lot of google search volume thus far (5th of pre-April 10 anime, behind Love Live, Fairy Tail, Haikyuu, and Mahouka). Of course, I just started looking at that stat. I'm still not sure how predictive of disk and/or source material sales Nico or google are, though I plan on checking it out sometime soon. Source material boosts have hella interesting dynamics. |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: RyanSaotome said: Bleh, Mekakus BD is being sold for like 3k yen. So much for a fair comparison. Yeah if you're going the dirt cheap route (I heard the DVD's are only 2,800 yen and considering this audiences main audience is female) with something that's already popular like that there really isn't much of a reason for comparison, of course it's going to be a huge seller. Even if the fans are kind of just okay on the anime they can probably still snatch it up at a bargain once it's more than likely discounted even further on Amazon for the music alone. It seems like Aniplex is mainly just trying to get some sort of volume average sales record with this or something, it's the impression I've had of this show since the beginning that it's mainly a commercial interest thing and this kind of proves it. So so know, 12 BDs, with each BD costing 3200 yen, for a 12 episode series is rather expansive. |
rederoin said: Kaioshin_Sama said: RyanSaotome said: Bleh, Mekakus BD is being sold for like 3k yen. So much for a fair comparison. Yeah if you're going the dirt cheap route (I heard the DVD's are only 2,800 yen and considering this audiences main audience is female) with something that's already popular like that there really isn't much of a reason for comparison, of course it's going to be a huge seller. Even if the fans are kind of just okay on the anime they can probably still snatch it up at a bargain once it's more than likely discounted even further on Amazon for the music alone. It seems like Aniplex is mainly just trying to get some sort of volume average sales record with this or something, it's the impression I've had of this show since the beginning that it's mainly a commercial interest thing and this kind of proves it. So so know, 12 BDs, with each BD costing 3200 yen, for a 12 episode series is rather expansive. Yea, I just found out its only 1 episode per volume... just assumed it was 2 episodes like normal. It'll be interesting to see how those sell |
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RyanSaotome said: rederoin said: Kaioshin_Sama said: RyanSaotome said: Bleh, Mekakus BD is being sold for like 3k yen. So much for a fair comparison. Yeah if you're going the dirt cheap route (I heard the DVD's are only 2,800 yen and considering this audiences main audience is female) with something that's already popular like that there really isn't much of a reason for comparison, of course it's going to be a huge seller. Even if the fans are kind of just okay on the anime they can probably still snatch it up at a bargain once it's more than likely discounted even further on Amazon for the music alone. It seems like Aniplex is mainly just trying to get some sort of volume average sales record with this or something, it's the impression I've had of this show since the beginning that it's mainly a commercial interest thing and this kind of proves it. So so know, 12 BDs, with each BD costing 3200 yen, for a 12 episode series is rather expansive. Yea, I just found out its only 1 episode per volume... just assumed it was 2 episodes like normal. It'll be interesting to see how those sell It costs around the normal anime price for buying all 12 vols, nothing to be worried about. |
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RyanSaotome said: rederoin said: Kaioshin_Sama said: RyanSaotome said: Bleh, Mekakus BD is being sold for like 3k yen. So much for a fair comparison. Yeah if you're going the dirt cheap route (I heard the DVD's are only 2,800 yen and considering this audiences main audience is female) with something that's already popular like that there really isn't much of a reason for comparison, of course it's going to be a huge seller. Even if the fans are kind of just okay on the anime they can probably still snatch it up at a bargain once it's more than likely discounted even further on Amazon for the music alone. It seems like Aniplex is mainly just trying to get some sort of volume average sales record with this or something, it's the impression I've had of this show since the beginning that it's mainly a commercial interest thing and this kind of proves it. So so know, 12 BDs, with each BD costing 3200 yen, for a 12 episode series is rather expansive. Yea, I just found out its only 1 episode per volume... just assumed it was 2 episodes like normal. It'll be interesting to see how those sell I'm mainly interested to see if this project is about anything more than cashing in on a hot trend cause so far it doesn't look like it. I still say I don't think I've ever seen "we want your money and sales records" broadcast more loudly. Also when you stagger a release like this its a bit different. I use a similar strategy when using my credit cards where I'll use one to a certain amount and then use another so the due date is staggered by a couple weeks and I don't have to pay everything all at once. Means I have a lot more leeway when just using my checking account. |
scytheavatar said: rederoin said: So so know, 12 BDs, with each BD costing 3200 yen, for a 12 episode series is rather expansive. A quick look shows that they are selling Mahouka at 6,610 yen for 2 episodes, and Love Love S2 at 4,860 for 1 episode (which granted comes with an absurd amount of bonuses). So 3200 yen for 1 episode isn't that expensive, they can't charge too much for Mekaku because the fanbase is a generation younger than the Haruhi crowd and has less spending power. Thinking about it though collecting the whole thing will be terrible though so it's kind of a shitty way of distributing at the end of the day. It's already bad enough that Blu-Rays can hold so much capacity and regularly only have 2 episodes on disc but now they want to put 1 24 minute episode on 12 discs each when they could just stick to 2 and 6? It seems like a waste of resources and just kind of for the sake of it but I guess they figure whatever it takes to try to maximize profit off of a fanatical fanbase. I guess I'm the only one that kind of wonders WTF here but then say oh well if the people buying it are really okay with that it is what it is, but again it seems pretty transparent. It feels like the equivalent of something EA games would do with a DLC scheme. Mod Edit: oversized links put under spoiler tag. |
ThangLongApr 12, 2014 3:25 AM
Kaioshin_Sama said: So you think perhaps they did some market research and determined that fans of Mekaku City Actors have about 3200 yen of spending money per month so if they dole the release out like that for a year they can afford to buy it but if they make is 6400 yen a month for 6 months then perhaps they'll balk at it? You never know, could be... could be......Also when you stagger a release like this its a bit different. I use a similar strategy when using my credit cards where I'll use one to a certain amount and then use another so the due date is staggered by a couple weeks and I don't have to pay everything all at once. Means I have a lot more leeway when just using my checking account. Hahalollawl said: Except that if you look at manga adaptations at least, you'll see there really isn't a correlation between top selling manga and top selling disc sales AT ALL. Big manga sellers like Gin no Saji, Sukitte Ii na Yo, Tonari no Kaibutsu kun, Kimi ni Todoke, Chihayafuru have all had terrible disc sales. It is still possible the anime was made to boost their sales and that worked for some of them but Gin no Saji was already very high and I don't think it saw much if any boost in sales. ...You would think their highest priority would be to make something that people will like and buy, but even so there's probably quite a bit of guesswork involved in trying to figure out what people will like. Adaptations of popular stories from other media make sense as one would think you could attract people who are already fans of it, though I suppose that doesn't necessarily equate to good sales. Or, they could be trying to make the source material more popular. If so, then maybe they would choose something that isn't already popular in an effort to make it more popular? Mahouka may tell us if light novels have better correlation. Will it sell like SAO or like Mondaiji-tachji? |
hpulley said: Mahouka may tell us if light novels have better correlation. Will it sell like SAO or like Mondaiji-tachji? I took a look at this a while back for LN adaptations in 2011-2012. It's not an absolute trend, but popular light novels do tend to make for much better adaptation disk sales (as well as proportionately bigger boosts to the source material). |
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| If anything, light novels are slightly cheaper on average than manga are. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| LNs tend to be aimed more at otaku in general than manga is, so theres a lot more overlap between popular LNs and the otaku buyers. Generally a popular LN will sell in anime form as well. |
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RyanSaotome said: LNs tend to be aimed more at otaku in general than manga is, so theres a lot more overlap between popular LNs and the otaku buyers. Generally a popular LN will sell in anime form as well. Alternatively, it might be that LNs targeted at people who typically buy anime disks are more likely to get adapted in general (hence us seeing more of a correlation between the two among adapted series). I don't like to judge the medium as a whole, because people not in Japan have a fairly incomplete view of the LN market. |
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Torisunanohokori said: RyanSaotome said: LNs tend to be aimed more at otaku in general than manga is, so theres a lot more overlap between popular LNs and the otaku buyers. Generally a popular LN will sell in anime form as well. Alternatively, it might be that LNs targeted at people who typically buy anime disks are more likely to get adapted in general (hence us seeing more of a correlation between the two among adapted series). I don't like to judge the medium as a whole, because people not in Japan have a fairly incomplete view of the LN market. If you look at the top selling LNs, its always the otaku stuff that sell well in anime form. Like here are the top selling LNs of last year: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-12-01/top-selling-light-novels-in-japan-by-series/2013 How many of these aren't otaku series? http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-12-01/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series/2013 While in comparison, the top selling manga see a lot more mainstream oriented stuff and its more hit or miss if it sells in anime form. |
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RyanSaotome said: If you look at the top selling LNs, its always the otaku stuff that sell well in anime form. Like here are the top selling LNs of last year: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2013-12-01/top-selling-light-novels-in-japan-by-series/2013 How many of these aren't otaku series? Most of the series on that list had already gotten an anime. It's not exactly fair to compare series coming off a major advertising push to those not getting one. |
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umashikaneko said: You suspect harem or cute-girls type Light novels are only selling well because they tend to get late-night anime adaptaition but majority of LNs are not otaku-pandaring ones? Personally, I'm not really sure one way or the other. I just think there's too little known about the LN market as a whole to rule that possibility out, and I don't like being too conclusive about industry stuff so long as there's more than one plausible explanation for why something might be happening. There is a lot of available data on overall/weekly LN sales, but not so much on the contents - translators tend to do series they're interested in, which generally means series that have gotten attention via anime. |
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