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BitchMaster said: Monad said: Am thinking that she was crying in that burned house more about being alone and ending in some street corner getting anally raped by some guys, instead of "am sad am not gone a see his face again". The killing scene was really badly made. 15 guys shooting down in a room on her and not hitting her is stupid and especially showing us all those pullets flying around her. What, she is Superman "Faster than a speeding bullet"? "Anally raped", please reconsider your choice of words, that's pretty offending & not all people on this board need to know such materials, you may be fine with it or it's your own hobby, but please consider other people's feelings, especially when you're in a forum. That's MINIMUM courtesy, and I hope you at least have an ounce of it. About Cal being Superman;first of all, please change it to Superwoman. Secondly, you already watched two such GODLY beings before her, yet that amazed me that your "lips" are "tight" when they went SPARTAAAA & now this storm of criticism? Talk about being prejudiced LOL. And all this @#$* is mainly because of appearance matter, the others can do whatever they want, no big deal up til now, but IF those stuffs are done by Cal, she's gonna get flamed. Wouldnt you yourself hate to be judged on your appearance, being called a f@ggot when you're not? And seriously, there will be more of those Superman stuffs & of course more Cal, so time for you to drop it now, guys. Otherwise, if you hate something and still watching, either you are a bunch of hypocrites or masochists, don't you think so? I like your thinking friend. |
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That's as great a response one can get, huh? xD Indeed. Thats what I post when I agree 300%. It is a great honour :D |
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Nayrael said: That's as great a response one can get, huh? xD Indeed. Thats what I post when I agree 300%. It is a great honour :D So you'd post that one every time someone says "Scythe Master's a great guy, I really like him"?: D |
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Mentar said: Why? I see no logical correlation. Cal learned that Reiji fled with the former phantom. That's all. It's the severity of the situation. He thought she was dead, and since he was being chased by the entire organization, he needed to flee. Those are the facts of the situation, so it's easily understandable if she indeed cared about Reiji. Actually, we have. She showed her angry-vindictive side when she used the cash to order the death of not only whoever killed Judy, but also _everybody else involved_. I don't think that was angry Cal. I think that was vidictive and desperate Cal. What Cal is displaying now is something we hadn't seen of her before. And the manner in which she talked about having Judy's killer killed (If I remember correctly) was more hurt, desperate, and serious than it was actual anger. This episode was named "Rage" for a reason. It's something we haven't seen from Cal before. I see no logical connection here either, what does the first have to do with the second? I'm saying that she was clever enough to make a plan on the fly to entrap Reiji, but after 2 years of getting info on what happened that night, she is still unable to remove herself emotionally and understand what Reiji had gone through. It's bizarre to me. Maybe it will be clearer with subsequent episodes, but even when she confronted him here, she didn't seem to care for an explanation. Lizzie is the one in charge of Inferno's japanese activities (you can tell because Shiga talked to her as the Inferno representative). The guy that Cal killed was one of her own subordinates. That Cal's recklessness was the cause for his death doesn't absolve her from her reponsibility, since it was HER operation. In fact, it's her "loyal, caring soldier" mentality which actually makes her likable to me. In the underworld, she's got a gruff exterior, but she's among the kindest and least selfish characters there. The way I've seen it (regarding how Claudia and SM worked), Claudia didn't seem to be responsible for Phantom's mistakes until she started having an affinity for Zwei. It was SM that took all of the blame (or glory) when things went right with them. Either way though, if she is totally in control (it seemed like she and SM were equal), then she allowed herself to be railed over by SM and Drei's tactics when she was running point on the mission. It's this issue of allowing herself to be a doormat that I don't like. To be clear though, knowing what I know about the story, Cal has really good reasons to hate Reiji. He lied to her about Judy's killer, which was her main motivation during the second arc. My problem is that Cal comes off of being lied to and remedies that by trusting a random stranger twisting her relationship with Reiji, seemingly not doubting his motives. For someone as calculating as Cal is supposed to be, it just doesn't set well with me. The total flashback dealing with her hasn't been shown yet, but right now, it's just kind of laughable to see her like this (and the production doesn't help either). |
noteDheroAug 24, 2009 2:13 PM
noteDhero said: It's the severity of the situation. He thought she was dead, and since he was being chased by the entire organization, he needed to flee. Those are the facts of the situation, so it's easily understandable if she indeed cared about Reiji. Explained before. From her point of view, the situation is very different. Therefore, she acts differently. I don't think that was angry Cal. I think that was vidictive and desperate Cal. What Cal is displaying now is something we hadn't seen of her before. And the manner in which she talked about having Judy's killer killed (If I remember correctly) was more hurt, desperate, and serious than it was actual anger. This episode was named "Rage" for a reason. It's something we haven't seen from Cal before. Yes, we didn't see this side from Cal before - the taunting killer who was seemingly enjoying herself. However, Cal HAS been shown to be vindictive in the past, so it's not like her current behavior would be so inexplicable (like you claimed before). It emphasizes a streak which was in her before, and which has been tainted to perfection by SM. I'm saying that she was clever enough to make a plan on the fly to entrap Reiji, but after 2 years of getting info on what happened that night, she is still unable to remove herself emotionally and understand what Reiji had gone through. It's bizarre to me. Maybe it will be clearer with subsequent episodes, but even when she confronted him here, she didn't seem to care for an explanation. Maybe it's bizarre to you, but I can positively assure you that there are enough people who would rather react like Cal. This is something you're doing time and time again: When someone does something differently or for a different reason than YOU would, you are quick to judge it as "not credible", "laughable" and whatnot. However, this story isn't about YOU or what YOU think. You are not Cal. And unless you argue that there are no people like her, you should seriously stop being so judgmental. At the moment, Cal is driven by rage and hatred. Not by a cold logical and rational approach looking for a reconciliation. She's looking for revenge. Maybe YOU wouldn't. Fine, but that doesn't matter. She is. The way I've seen it (regarding how Claudia and SM worked), Claudia didn't seem to be responsible for Phantom's mistakes until she started having an affinity for Zwei. It was SM that took all of the blame (or glory) when things went right with them. Either way though, if she is totally in control (it seemed like she and SM were equal), then she allowed herself to be railed over by SM and Drei's tactics when she was running point on the mission. It's this issue of allowing herself to be a doormat that I don't like. Fair enough. Just explaining why she reacted the way she did. To be clear though, knowing what I know about the story, Cal has really good reasons to hate Reiji. He lied to her about Judy's killer, which was her main motivation during the second arc. No, and I'm sure I explained that to you before already. Reiji did not "lie" because he couldn't. He doesn't know even now whether it was really Elen who attacked the Godoh Group leading to Judy's death. The thing is that once Reiji found out that Elen was alive after all, he never had any opportunity to talk to Cal anymore. He never saw her after that. Therefore, he couldn't "lie" to her. My problem is that Cal comes off of being lied to and remedies that by trusting a random stranger twisting her relationship with Reiji, seemingly not doubting his motives. For someone as calculating as Cal is supposed to be, it just doesn't set well with me. The total flashback dealing with her hasn't been shown yet, but right now, it's just kind of laughable to see her like this (and the production doesn't help either). *rolls eyes* Okay, so please classify the relationship between Cal and Scythe Master now, so that I can quote you later. What does she think of him that is so "laughable"? Just for my amusement and so that I can quote you later. |
Mentar said: Maybe it's bizarre to you, but I can positively assure you that there are enough people who would rather react like Cal. This is something you're doing time and time again: When someone does something differently or for a different reason than YOU would, you are quick to judge it as "not credible", "laughable" and whatnot. However, this story isn't about YOU or what YOU think. You are not Cal. And unless you argue that there are no people like her, you should seriously stop being so judgmental. At the moment, Cal is driven by rage and hatred. Not by a cold logical and rational approach looking for a reconciliation. She's looking for revenge. Maybe YOU wouldn't. Fine, but that doesn't matter. She is. It's bizarre to me because she seemingly hasn't thought about Reiji's perspective for two years. Had this been a few months in between, fine, she can still be totally pissed of and still over-emotional. But it hasn't. It's been two years. Long enough for her to grow up a little, put herself in Reiji's place and think about what she would do. Two years stirring in this much hatred without thought, from a calculating, well-adjusted (for her circumstances) character is bizarre. Two years. No, and I'm sure I explained that to you before already. Reiji did not "lie" because he couldn't. He doesn't know even now whether it was really Elen who attacked the Godoh Group leading to Judy's death. The thing is that once Reiji found out that Elen was alive after all, he never had any opportunity to talk to Cal anymore. He never saw her after that. Therefore, he couldn't "lie" to her. I think he does, but we've already gone through that conversation. *rolls eyes* Okay, so please classify the relationship between Cal and Scythe Master now, so that I can quote you later. What does she think of him that is so "laughable"? Just for my amusement and so that I can quote you later. I'm not totally sure of the relationship between Cal and SM right now, as I have stated before. What I see is that SM has used simple manipulation to lead Cal to believe that Reiji never cared for her and was only using her to advance her own agenda. The relationship is such that he is aware of her lack of self control, and maybe hasn't really approached her about it. Judging off of how Cal threw her towel at SM and told him that she would handle her business herself, it's clear that there is a lack of trust and respect from her to him. Almost as though she thinks that she's using him to get her revenge, yet totally unaware that he is still pulling the strings. As far as the "laughable" comment is concerned, that has nothing to do with what I think of her relationship with SM. That was pointed at Cal only. She doesn't really respect SM, yet it seems like she took her completely for his word about Reiji, and after 2 years of being able to cool down somewhat, she still holds onto considerable rage (and at this point it looks like she's lost her mind in anger) and after confronting Reiji twice, doesn't care to hear his side of the story. Top all that off with her silly theme music, and huge boobs, I can't help but laugh. |
Mentar said: noteDhero said: It's the severity of the situation. He thought she was dead, and since he was being chased by the entire organization, he needed to flee. Those are the facts of the situation, so it's easily understandable if she indeed cared about Reiji. Explained before. From her point of view, the situation is very different. Therefore, she acts differently. I don't think that was angry Cal. I think that was vidictive and desperate Cal. What Cal is displaying now is something we hadn't seen of her before. And the manner in which she talked about having Judy's killer killed (If I remember correctly) was more hurt, desperate, and serious than it was actual anger. This episode was named "Rage" for a reason. It's something we haven't seen from Cal before. Yes, we didn't see this side from Cal before - the taunting killer who was seemingly enjoying herself. However, Cal HAS been shown to be vindictive in the past, so it's not like her current behavior would be so inexplicable (like you claimed before). It emphasizes a streak which was in her before, and which has been tainted to perfection by SM. I'm saying that she was clever enough to make a plan on the fly to entrap Reiji, but after 2 years of getting info on what happened that night, she is still unable to remove herself emotionally and understand what Reiji had gone through. It's bizarre to me. Maybe it will be clearer with subsequent episodes, but even when she confronted him here, she didn't seem to care for an explanation. Maybe it's bizarre to you, but I can positively assure you that there are enough people who would rather react like Cal. This is something you're doing time and time again: When someone does something differently or for a different reason than YOU would, you are quick to judge it as "not credible", "laughable" and whatnot. However, this story isn't about YOU or what YOU think. You are not Cal. And unless you argue that there are no people like her, you should seriously stop being so judgmental. At the moment, Cal is driven by rage and hatred. Not by a cold logical and rational approach looking for a reconciliation. She's looking for revenge. Maybe YOU wouldn't. Fine, but that doesn't matter. She is. The way I've seen it (regarding how Claudia and SM worked), Claudia didn't seem to be responsible for Phantom's mistakes until she started having an affinity for Zwei. It was SM that took all of the blame (or glory) when things went right with them. Either way though, if she is totally in control (it seemed like she and SM were equal), then she allowed herself to be railed over by SM and Drei's tactics when she was running point on the mission. It's this issue of allowing herself to be a doormat that I don't like. Fair enough. Just explaining why she reacted the way she did. To be clear though, knowing what I know about the story, Cal has really good reasons to hate Reiji. He lied to her about Judy's killer, which was her main motivation during the second arc. No, and I'm sure I explained that to you before already. Reiji did not "lie" because he couldn't. He doesn't know even now whether it was really Elen who attacked the Godoh Group leading to Judy's death. The thing is that once Reiji found out that Elen was alive after all, he never had any opportunity to talk to Cal anymore. He never saw her after that. Therefore, he couldn't "lie" to her. My problem is that Cal comes off of being lied to and remedies that by trusting a random stranger twisting her relationship with Reiji, seemingly not doubting his motives. For someone as calculating as Cal is supposed to be, it just doesn't set well with me. The total flashback dealing with her hasn't been shown yet, but right now, it's just kind of laughable to see her like this (and the production doesn't help either). *rolls eyes* Okay, so please classify the relationship between Cal and Scythe Master now, so that I can quote you later. What does she think of him that is so "laughable"? Just for my amusement and so that I can quote you later. I'm gonna bring up a post I made on the 3rd page since you guys are talking about the same thing http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=108236&show=40#msg4395015 Cal is just plain Naive, which is fine considering she was what, 14 at the time? It's plain and simple to figure out what's going on in her head. To understand lets walk through the events that happened. The room blows up and Cal thinks Reiji came back and possibly died. When she looks in the room she doesn't see any blood and automatically assumes he wasn't there. She leaves and comes back assuming he would show up. Little does she know he had already came back but didn't see her around so he had to GTFO since he was being targeted by the whole organization. Since he doesn't show up when she's there she automatically assumes he left her. Her little mind was fixated around the assumption that he purposely left her, when she should have been trying to figure out why the room blew up in the first place and why Reiji wouldn't show up.....and ofcourse why a random stranger is in front of her telling her Reiji left her. from this point on it's simply guesses We have Scythe Master who shows up out of the blue telling her yes, Reiji left you with another women. We can only guess that later on SM tells her that Ein was the one that killed Judy and that Reiji is now partners with Ein. This combined with Reiji leaving her is enough to fuel hate and cause rage for the next 2 years. Now it's been two years, Cal should know damn well what really happened by now. Does that matter? Obviously not since the past two years shes been force fed lies that Reiji left her. Cal wants revenge on Reiji for leaving her when they promised they would always be together no matter what and Ein for possibly killing Judy. Chances are she wont brake from this mentality till Reiji knocks some sense into her or she kills them both. She's a 16 year old in a 20+ year old's body with the mentality of a psychopathic killer. But then again if she doesn't know the real reason why Reiji left with Ein then she cant really call herself a genius now can she? |
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BitchMaster said: Monad said: Am thinking that she was crying in that burned house more about being alone and ending in some street corner getting anally raped by some guys, instead of "am sad am not gone a see his face again". The killing scene was really badly made. 15 guys shooting down in a room on her and not hitting her is stupid and especially showing us all those pullets flying around her. What, she is Superman "Faster than a speeding bullet"? "Anally raped", please reconsider your choice of words, that's pretty offending & not all people on this board need to know such materials, you may be fine with it or it's your own hobby, but please consider other people's feelings, especially when you're in a forum. That's MINIMUM courtesy, and I hope you at least have an ounce of it. About Cal being Superman;first of all, please change it to Superwoman. Secondly, you already watched two such GODLY beings before her, yet that amazed me that your "lips" are "tight" when they went SPARTAAAA & now this storm of criticism? Talk about being prejudiced LOL. And all this @#$* is mainly because of appearance matter, the others can do whatever they want, no big deal up til now, but IF those stuffs are done by Cal, she's gonna get flamed. Wouldnt you yourself hate to be judged on your appearance, being called a f@ggot when you're not? And seriously, there will be more of those Superman stuffs & of course more Cal, so time for you to drop it now, guys. Otherwise, if you hate something and still watching, either you are a bunch of hypocrites or masochists, don't you think so? You are a hypocrite beyond belief. For a guy with his "rape face" in his profile you are the one to talk. And what exactly is wrong with what i said? First by saying "or it's your own hobby" you tried to make a conversation about an episode a direct personal attack by suggesting that am a rapist. I hope you have the decency to apologize for calling other people you don't know rapist. The phrase i used has nothing wrong with it. Offending to who? It was a phrase to describe an event, it was not an insult against somebody here. What? Am not allowed to describe something horrible because it seems too shocking to you? I should have said "She might have a forceful penetration in her rectum" so your need for the hypocrisy of hearing sweet sugar words in a world full of horrors continue? Sorry mate. Freedom of speech works against you. You are allowed to disagree with me about what i say but you are not allowed to tell me what to say. Got it. That reminds me of the people who censor a little blood in anime or a sex scene because "O my God what if my kid gets a trauma from seeing this?" but the next day they go out with there kid and kick a homeless guy that was sitting too close to there house. About the Superwoman thing. Yeah it would probably fit better. Thanks for that. As about what i said about the scene. I think you didn't quite get that my problem was with the people that made that scene that way and not with Cal as a character. Who is the character has nothing to do with the fact that is stupid putting him dancing between 400 hundred pullets that fly around. Are you telling me you found nothing wrong with that? I agree that the "slut" thing is not a correct way to describe the way she acted but i just used it because i didn't know how to describe it at the time and just took it from other people here that described it like that just for convenience. My mistake, but don't worry i don't thing she will get insulted very much since she is not real. O! and by the way i never said i don't like watching Phantom or Cal. That doesn't mean am not allowed to give my opinion about a badly made scene. Nothing is perfect. Also i want to say nice going to few people that applaud your personal attack and you calling me a rapist because they think am against the character they like. Fortunately am not so swallow to hate a character because of the actions of some fans. At least reptilia answered my questions with a nice on the subject post. Thanks for your answers reptilia. |
MonadAug 24, 2009 5:12 PM
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Monad said: You are a hypocrite beyond belief. For a guy with his "rape face" in his profile you are the one to talk. Err, if you can't appreciate my sense of humor, can't blame you, but at least his face doesnt suggest anything indecent, is it? I even put it in spoiler for people to avoid it if they dont want to look at it while you do not. See my point? And what exactly is wrong with what i said? First by saying "or it's your own hobby" you tried to make a conversation about an episode a direct personal attack by suggesting that am a rapist. I hope you have the decency to apologize for calling other people you don't know rapist. "you may be fine with it or it's your own hobby" is what I said, I never say you ARE fine with it & that IS your own hobby, it's just a suggestion so if it's not, good for you, or is it TRUE for you to react as such? And how do you know I want to say you're a "rapist"? All I said is that you may be fine with such abusive words, but others don't, why the need to think too far? Well, I do agree that phrase of mine need some re-formulation so I apologize if it offended you in an unintended way. The phrase i used has nothing wrong with it. Offending to who? It was a phrase to describe an event, it was not an insult against somebody here. What? Am not allowed to describe something horrible because it seems too shocking to you? I should have said "She might have a forceful penetration in her rectum" so your need for the hypocrisy of hearing sweet sugar words in a world full of horrors continue? Sorry mate. Freedom of speech works against you. You are allowed to disagree with me about what i say but you are not allowed to tell me what to say. Got it. *Sigh* Honestly, do you even bother to read what I said at all? I never IMPOSE you what to say, I merely demanded your authorization to use better words than the ones you used. Here's a copy of what I said: "please reconsider your choice of words, that's pretty offending & not all people on this board need to know such materials, you may be fine with it or it's your own hobby, but please consider other people's feelings, especially when you're in a forum." So, where did I IMPOSE my authority on you? You're free to do what you want to since it's a forum, it's just my modest suggestion, if you don't want to compromise, that's fine too. Who is the character has nothing to do with the fact that is stupid putting him dancing between 400 hundred pullets that fly around. Are you telling me you found nothing wrong with that? I apologize for my lack of intelligence, but who are you talking about again? O! and by the way i never said i don't like watching Phantom or Cal. That doesn't mean am not allowed to give my opinion about a badly made scene. Nothing is perfect. Glad you still like it, & hope you will enjoy it at the end since I said that to all people who bear hate on this show just because of something "normal" in anime ayway :) Also i want to say nice going to few people that applaud your personal attack and you calling me a rapist because they think am against the character they like. Fortunately am not so swallow to hate a character because of the actions of some fans. Err.. Well, I guess they should take that as a compliment? HEY GUYS !!! HEAR THAT? GOOD FOR YOU!!! KEEP GOING !!! Other than that, they just merely wish for some educated words from someone who looks like he was educated in a forum full of educated people ( Maybe not me) even if this world, like you said, is un-educated. Well, also, glad to know you're someone generous. I can see that from your reply, so my best hope for you to not get influenced by fans' reactions in the future too, 'Kay? |
BitchMasterAug 24, 2009 5:41 PM
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BitchMaster said: Monad said: You are a hypocrite beyond belief. For a guy with his "rape face" in his profile you are the one to talk. Err, if you can't appreciate my sense of humor, can't blame you, but at least his face doesnt suggest anything indecent, is it? I even put it in spoiler for people to avoid it if they dont want to look at it while you do not. See my point? And what exactly is wrong with what i said? First by saying "or it's your own hobby" you tried to make a conversation about an episode a direct personal attack by suggesting that am a rapist. I hope you have the decency to apologize for calling other people you don't know rapist. "you may be fine with it or it's your own hobby" is what I said, I never say you ARE fine with it & that IS your own hobby, it's just a suggestion so if it's not, good for you, or is it TRUE for you to react as such? And how do you know I want to say you're a "rapist"? All I said is that you may be fine with such abusive words, but others don't, why the need to think too far? Well, I do agree that phrase of mine need some re-formulation so I apologize if it offended you in an unintended way. The phrase i used has nothing wrong with it. Offending to who? It was a phrase to describe an event, it was not an insult against somebody here. What? Am not allowed to describe something horrible because it seems too shocking to you? I should have said "She might have a forceful penetration in her rectum" so your need for the hypocrisy of hearing sweet sugar words in a world full of horrors continue? Sorry mate. Freedom of speech works against you. You are allowed to disagree with me about what i say but you are not allowed to tell me what to say. Got it. *Sigh* Honestly, do you even bother to read what I said at all? I never IMPOSE you what to say, I merely demanded your authorization to use better words than the ones you used. Here's a copy of what I said: "please reconsider your choice of words, that's pretty offending & not all people on this board need to know such materials, you may be fine with it or it's your own hobby, but please consider other people's feelings, especially when you're in a forum." So, where did I IMPOSE my authority on you? You're free to do what you want to since it's a forum, it's just my modest suggestion, if you don't want to compromise, that's fine too. Who is the character has nothing to do with the fact that is stupid putting him dancing between 400 hundred pullets that fly around. Are you telling me you found nothing wrong with that? I apologize for my lack of intelligence, but who are you talking about again? O! and by the way i never said i don't like watching Phantom or Cal. That doesn't mean am not allowed to give my opinion about a badly made scene. Nothing is perfect. Glad you still like it, & hope you will enjoy it at the end since I said that to all people who bear hate on this show just because of something "normal" in anime ayway :) Also i want to say nice going to few people that applaud your personal attack and you calling me a rapist because they think am against the character they like. Fortunately am not so swallow to hate a character because of the actions of some fans. Err.. Well, I guess they should take that as a compliment? HEY GUYS !!! HEAR THAT? GOOD FOR YOU!!! KEEP GOING !!! Other than that, they just merely wish for some educated words from someone who looks like he was educated in a forum full of educated people ( Maybe not me) even if this world, like you said, is un-educated. Well, also, glad to know you're someone generous. I can see that from your reply, so my best hope for you to not get influenced by fans' reactions in the future too, 'Kay? chillax -.- forums are for discussing AND people have varied opinions some people like cal somebody dont lol ( i dont) but it's okay ^_^! |
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| LOL I'm far too tired and out-of-it to comment on the epic Mentar v.s. noteDhero debate so I'm just going to write a few bits of my own thoughts for now... There were good and bad points to this episode, IMO. First, the bad points: Elen and Reiji showed me that they still have not learned how to effectively run away from Inferno. They know Inferno (or at least Cal) is onto them, they know they should change identities and locations ASAP, but the next day after Reiji meets Cal...they go to school as they usually would?! It makes no sense and only makes them more vulnerable. They should know that, if you're being tailed, your worst enemy is your own routine and I'd classify going to school and attending all your regular classes and meeting up with your usual friends as routine. It's no wonder SM and Cal found them. On a related note, I agree that we need to ditch the high school setting soon. Other than Mio, the other characters are pretty useless (aside from providing comic relief in a series that doesn't have much comedy to begin with) from what I can tell. (Also as a random question from a random observation: why does everyone in the school wear different uniforms?) Third, as others have noted already, BGM in this episode was weird. I'm getting tired of hearing Cal's music box-like theme (and its weird pop version, too) and the random moaning was really...odd (and awkward, considering I had my volume up loud, lol). Fourth, I'm more or less in agreement with noteDhero about Cal's character development feeling more for the sake of plot than for the character herself. Maybe it feels more like that because of the time skip (and the holes left by said time skip not being filled in yet), but that's why one has to be really careful when fast-forwarding the plot like that. Cal is pretty much 99% different (in appearance and personality) from when we saw her two years prior and, without seeing or hearing about anything in-between now and then, it comes off as too sudden, forced and out-of-character. Fifth, it didn't occur to me until I read these discussions that it's hilarious that SM never did consider using psychological means of manipulating his "puppets" until Reiji came along (although, he couldn't experiment with the idea until Cal). And if what someone said is correct (about SM having a PhD in psych and neuro), it makes it even more ridiculous. Controlling behaviour goes as far back to basics as Pavlov and classical conditioning. Good points: I actually did enjoy watching Cal/Drei bursting into the building on her motorbike and killing off all those guys. Reminded me a bit of Kill Bill, to be honest, but with guns rather than swords xD Although I felt it was dragged out a little too long (I mean, we all knew Cal was going to win in the end, right?), the "game" Cal played with that one guy was pretty enjoyable, too. I liked the cliffhanger and made for some good tension. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the next episode - looks like we're nearing the climax? Maybe? No? oO; |
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Elen and Reiji showed me that they still have not learned how to effectively run away from Inferno. They know Inferno (or at least Cal) is onto them, they know they should change identities and locations ASAP, but the next day after Reiji meets Cal...they go to school as they usually would?! It makes no sense and only makes them more vulnerable. They should know that, if you're being tailed, your worst enemy is your own routine and I'd classify going to school and attending all your regular classes and meeting up with your usual friends as routine. It's no wonder SM and Cal found them. School is the safest place for them until they secure an escape route as Inferno does not want to attack them in crowded place since the Godoh Group would be enraged and Inferno would create suspicion (unlike USA, they don't have control over Japanesse administration thus Inferno might be discovered). Their worst mistake IMO is belief that they can actually stay at one place for long. Once they stop running and settle, Inferno will eventually reach them. |
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| that was a great episode!! phantom...this series really has its ups and downs (like a roller coaster ride) but i find weird that reiji and eren hardly grows while cal is growing in leaps and bounds (aren't they like teenagers or something??) i'm quite lost with those two being in hgih school... besides that, looking forward the next episode with the showdown between the three 'phantoms' |
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but i find weird that reiji and eren hardly grows while cal is growing in leaps and bounds Reiji is a male so I guess that it is harder to notice his growth, especially now that he looks like a high school kid after watching him act like an adult. Elen has a reason she didn't grow up, but that reason wasn't mentioned in anime. |
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whats with the orgasm between 10.28 and 11.30? lol is it random? or does it have a meaning? It is just one of the new soundtracks... one very weird soundtrack. And no, it doesn't have a meaning. It appears two more times in episode 22 for no apparent reason as well. it makes me think that cal had sex already... or is it just my imagination? Knowing the game, Cal had sex in episode 16. by the way, whats with the spoiler warnings? I know there is a game, OVA, and a manga. But the spoiler are based on what? the game? The game, the future episodes... no matter, spoiler is a spoiler. And the spoiler warning can be found in every tread. |
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alessandroempire said: well that helps a lot..thanks so wait, cal did actually had sex in episode 16, but they didnt show it? or she was supposed to have sex in that episode according to the game? yeah i ge the spoiler thing now... also, the anime ends at 24 episodes right? Yup, SMEX in friggin' 16th ep, didnt show=me enraged like a Red Bull & yup according to the game plot, she was supposed to have sex with Reiji but the best they could do is showing Reiji entering watching a nude Cal smiling at him & yup, this anime ends at 24 eps, unless they plan on making alternative OVA(s) like Clannad showing different roads in the game. Hope that helps... |
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Yup, SMEX in friggin' 16th ep, didnt show=me enraged like a Red Bull & yup according to the game plot, she was supposed to have sex with Reiji but the best they could do is showing Reiji entering watching a nude Cal smiling at him & yup, this anime ends at 24 eps, unless they plan on making alternative OVA(s) like Clannad showing different roads in the game. Hope that helps... The episodes on DVD's are uncensored so the scene might be shown there. There are 26 episodes planned as far as I know. |
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Nayrael said: Yup, SMEX in friggin' 16th ep, didnt show=me enraged like a Red Bull & yup according to the game plot, she was supposed to have sex with Reiji but the best they could do is showing Reiji entering watching a nude Cal smiling at him & yup, this anime ends at 24 eps, unless they plan on making alternative OVA(s) like Clannad showing different roads in the game. Hope that helps... The episodes on DVD's are uncensored so the scene might be shown there. There are 26 episodes planned as far as I know. O-K-A-Y !!! DVDs, WHERE ART THOU ?!!! And yeah, my bad, it's 26. Thanks for the correct info :D |
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| A genuine murderous intention and a calm sense of judgement *chuckle* The dream Now, I am very behind in the visual novel. Possibly over 10 episodes of anime behind.. |
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| Actually, Cal is the Phantom. However, she won't get the respect she deserves until she confirms her right for the title. |
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| Omg, did anyone else notice the ecchi "music" playing in the background when Cal was taking a shower, etc? XD Woahhh |
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| I'd just say "fuck it" and smash Scythes head... And I didn't like Cal in this one. I seriously didn't... Gaaah Reiji you pedophile ;d |
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| I still don't know if I like this new setting or not... I'm not watching Phantom for some crappy school life. The new characters are pretty average, except for the meganekko, I really like her. :-D Why the hell Scythe is still alive and well? D: Also, I think I kinda miss the old Cal. But I like how she acts with pedoScythe (towel scene ftw). & lol @ the ecchi background music. BitchMaster said: ...wtf. I actually had the suspect, from watching that shower scene, that something MAY have happened, but... but... but... So my beloved Reiji is a lolicon. *speechless*Yup, SMEX in friggin' 16th ep, didnt show=me enraged like a Red Bull & yup according to the game plot, she was supposed to have sex with Reiji but the best they could do is showing Reiji entering watching a nude Cal smiling at him & yup, this anime ends at 24 eps, unless they plan on making alternative OVA(s) like Clannad showing different roads in the game. Hope that helps... |
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So my beloved Reiji is a lolicon. *speechless* Well Cal is just 2 years younger than Reiji. |
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Nayrael said: Yup, SMEX in friggin' 16th ep, didnt show=me enraged like a Red Bull & yup according to the game plot, she was supposed to have sex with Reiji but the best they could do is showing Reiji entering watching a nude Cal smiling at him & yup, this anime ends at 24 eps, unless they plan on making alternative OVA(s) like Clannad showing different roads in the game. Hope that helps... The episodes on DVD's are uncensored so the scene might be shown there. There are 26 episodes planned as far as I know. Do you think the DVD version will be up for downloading? |
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Do you think the DVD version will be up for downloading? I think you can find first two DVD releases on Tokyotosho. |
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RenaPsychoKiller said: It does take time to get used to I think.. And to be honest I still love the old setting better, but since the show has been great till now.. I'll just accept whats coming and see how it plays out.I still don't know if I like this new setting or not... I'm not watching Phantom for some crappy school life. The new characters are pretty average, except for the meganekko, I really like her. :-D |
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| I have to concur that it's high time to now leave the school setting. Episode 20 did perfectly well with putting the characters back into a false security (thinking their past is behind them then throwing them a curve ball. It's been accomplished now move on! |
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| It ain't only about false security. It is there to keep the contrast between the Underworld and Civilian World. This ain't USA where you can commit crime wherever you want. Both Inferno and the Phantoms must be careful about what they do. |
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| Okay. I'm starting to get pissed off because of Cal. Why'd she turn like that? Was it just because Zwei left her? COME ON. Beat the living out of her! Go Elen! You better hurry up Reiji and help Elen or else I'll be mad. :( |
| I loved how Cal did the pose before killing that guy, just like Zwei told her to when she was training XD And wow she has turned badass, she has more attitude than either of the other two Phantoms now! |
| That soundtrack, the one reserved for Drei, it seems - the one with the moaning sounds - is really disturbing. |
| The thought of that Soundtrack still makes me go WTF... |
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| There's no freaking way all those bullets missed her! |
| There's no freaking way all those bullets missed her! |
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