The Flowers of Evil
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| The backgrounds are absolutely gorgeous. |
 What "Adolescence" do you have? Do you remember "Childhood"? The irreplaceable one existed there. |
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| At least the story will be more believable this way. |
 "Your sight, my delight. Will you marry me?" |
| I really liked, how great the pictures are composed. The background is influenced by impressionism(i guess a nod to Baudelaire, who was good friends with Edouard Manet), the middle ground consists of those photorealistic buildings and the character Designs are in this outworldish, but very realistic rotoscopy. If you want to see it with Baudelaire: The Ideal in the distance, the real, existing, somehow failing world as some kind of separator and the people as manifestation of le spleen. |
| In 9/10 cases, the worst thing about an anime is its fandom. |
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Sophilia said: The backgrounds are quite beautiful. Amutofan123 said: The backgrounds are absolutely gorgeous. SantaPoncho said: I was actually thinking... I could watch Kasuga walk around in circles around that city for hours and still be amused.Indeed ZetaZaku said: I think I'm gonna go read the Manga now :|At least the story will be more believable this way. Nucksen said: I really liked, how great the pictures are composed. The background is influenced by impressionism(i guess a nod to Baudelaire, who was good friends with Edouard Manet), the middle ground consists of those photorealistic buildings and the character Designs are in this outworldish, but very realistic rotoscopy. If you want to see it with Baudelaire: The Ideal in the distance, the real, existing, somehow failing world as some kind of separator and the people as manifestation of le spleen. Guess I've got 51 poems to read today. Lately said: Love the reference.You are (not) alone. Berzin said: They should of atleast animated the op and ed.The background scenery is certainly the highlight of this so far. The rusted guardrails and enameled posters even have a charm to them and matches the "realistic" world they're in. However overall it all still looks like it was made in the late 80's. Also, despite how horrendous the OP and ED themes are, the music that plays during the episode is well fitted to the atmosphere. |
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| Have to agree with you, the backgrounds are nice. |
| The backgrounds are fantastic, but to be honest they only pronounce just how poor the character design and animation is. |
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| ... How the hell can this have so many haters? I was really shocked from the episode discussion. I could understand it from the viewpoint of the manga readers though- seeing the comparisons, there is definitely a drastic art-style change. But as someone who has only watched the adapted version- I love the art. It's unique. It's different. Seriously. Sure, the animation of the characters can be edgy at times, but we needed something different, and Aku no Hana fills that gap- and quite good, may I add. I'm just really shocked at how poorly received it is (Probably due to the difference from the original source, I'd say). All in all, I loved it and looking forward to more eye candy. |
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| the hate for this show is amazing, keep it coming Amarrez said: The backgrounds are fantastic, but to be honest they only pronounce just how poor the character design and animation is. that animation is not poor. it is among the most realistic animation i have seen. |
| It was some of the most poorly done rotoscoping I've ever seen and was choppy as fuck. |
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| The animation is unique, but not in a bad way. One thing that distracted me is the MC's prominent teeth when he talks. I welcome anime that are a bit daring, yet doesn't try too hard to look artsy. |
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BigSimo said: Parts are very realistic while rest is atrocious. Look at 15:00. You call that realistic hand movement? His hand is going places, changing width and length, not to mention several joints randomly showing up and disappearing all the time. And then there are odd scenes where there's absolutely no animation for few seconds.the hate for this show is amazing, keep it coming Amarrez said: The backgrounds are fantastic, but to be honest they only pronounce just how poor the character design and animation is. that animation is not poor. it is among the most realistic animation i have seen. Really, Aku no Hana is one of ugliest and worst animated shows I have seen. Pretty backgrounds mean nothing when they're just some traced photos with filters. |
| I must say that I really like the art style, but it falls in uncanny valley too easily in some scenes, making that some problems that ALL animes have (don't forget that anime is classified as LIMITED animation, and if you have read any animation book you know that is a really fitting description) here really stand out. The only real problem here is the frame rate, with the resulting lack of fluidity. The lack of shadowing can also be a little disturbing, but I think it was more of an artistic decision, so I'm giving BOTD on that aspect. |
Progeusz said: BigSimo said: Parts are very realistic while rest is atrocious. Look at 15:00. You call that realistic hand movement? His hand is going places, changing width and length, not to mention several joints randomly showing up and disappearing all the time. And then there are odd scenes where there's absolutely no animation for few seconds.the hate for this show is amazing, keep it coming Amarrez said: The backgrounds are fantastic, but to be honest they only pronounce just how poor the character design and animation is. that animation is not poor. it is among the most realistic animation i have seen. Really, Aku no Hana is one of ugliest and worst animated shows I have seen. Pretty backgrounds mean nothing when they're just some traced photos with filters. I'm pretty agree with you and this is really the best anime I've ever seen so far. XD 2/10 |
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Suzie said: I usually defend anything that dares to be original and creative but I can't convince myself that this was "art". In my eyes, it was only cheap-looking rotoscope with somewhat above average BGs. I know the feeling of trying to love something more than it deserves after seeing people hate it more than it deserves. But it's too early to judge. Daring to be creative and original is only respectable when you do a good job of it, otherwise you'd be defending guys shitting off skyscrapers. |
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| So many plebs I tell ya... This is like porn, only on a planetary level, how could one even dare to stand against it. It's planet porn. |
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MellowJello said: Ehhh.... third pic = rotoscoping gone bad fourth pic = rotoscoping gone good yeah yeah i know it technically isn't rotoscoping but still. |
| Yes, it's beautiful! I really liked the first episode and the animation/art didn't bother me, I quite liked it actually. It feels like I'm not even watching the same thing as everybody else lol |
MDLimit said: MellowJello said: Ehhh.... third pic = rotoscoping gone bad fourth pic = rotoscoping gone good yeah yeah i know it technically isn't rotoscoping but still. No, no, no.... Why use the worst possible picture from the series unless you're trying to make yourself hate it...  How is this bad rotoscoping? Only problem I see is the lack of frame rate. |
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| There's also the fact that they don't have eyes or any facial features until they're about two meters from the camera? That isn't realistic, it isn't good rotoscoping and it certainly isn't something to call eyecandy. |
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YorozuyaGinSan said: dat realism It's like I'm playing a game and have the field of view set as low as it'll go, not to mention the textures set to lowest. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: YorozuyaGinSan said: dat realism It's like I'm playing a game and have the field of view set as low as it'll go, not to mention the textures set to lowest. Don't worry, there'll be a day where even you could have good taste. |
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| when i started watching it, i thought to myself, dang... that art looks really realistic... but the characters looked kinda weird in comparison to any other anime. |
| actually, when I rewatched it again , it isn't as bad as I thought at first. People are raging because they compare this anime with other animes and with the original manga itself. in contrast, the insanity is well depicted (especially dat ED creeped me out) For me who only peeks thru the manga and then watching the anime, it really isn't that bad. I'd say the animation quality is bad in some aspects, but the movement is really realistic. The character design isn't that bad either. I just don't like some scenes are repeated like hell. and nakamura is really...not good. I guess it really is not recommended for all anime watchers in general, especially those who expect a really, really animu style. and there's this saying in the anime itself "You'd never understand what's so good about it." |
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| The backgrounds are great and the story may be decent, let's give them that. Unfortunately, that's not the only one a viewer focuses on. |
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Orix said: The backgrounds are great and the story may be decent, let's give them that. Unfortunately, that's not the only one a viewer focuses on. Looking at the Anime industry from this forums point of view... The focus seems distributed like this. plot 5% Background art 5% Animation 15% Cute girls doing cute things 75% Especially prevalent due to the lack of the latter in this particular Anime. |
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| I thought the first episode was great. I was a little disappointed with the rotoscoping. I mean, I was expecting "A Scanner Darkly" results, but I set my standards way too high lol. With that said, I'm part of the minority that enjoyed it, and I'm going to keep watching. |
| So I said this elsewhere but then realized that this is a better place for it: I can't help but wonder if they used Rotoscoping, which makes a majority of the [side] characters look like unrefined blobs, in an effort to convey how Kasuga felt disconnected from the environment and people around him. Maybe this was just me but in the manga it seemed like some characters, such as Nakamura, grew (were drawn to look) more appealing as a subsequent result of Kasuga's changing perceptions of, and relationships with, said characters. In a nutshell, what I'm trying to say is that maybe as the show progresses, we'll get a sort of beer goggles effect that changes Nakamura from looking like Squealer into something more....aesthetically pleasing...? |
| "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move." - Douglas Adams "...but all these feels that are currently assaulting me don't seem to care. Conversely, I'm also aggressively erect at the moment..." |
| Yeah, the scenery is very beautiful, and the characters have a realistic look to them and create a realistic atmosphere. It's quite unique. Unfortunately, The characters lack detail until they're like right in front of the camera, which makes me cringe looking at it as if it was rendering like a game on a crappy pc |
AnimeHAwk616Apr 6, 2013 1:16 AM
Pusswookie said: So I said this elsewhere but then realized that this is a better place for it: I can't help but wonder if they used Rotoscoping, which makes a majority of the [side] characters look like unrefined blobs, in an effort to convey how Kasuga felt disconnected from the environment and people around him. Maybe this was just me but in the manga it seemed like some characters, such as Nakamura, grew (were drawn to look) more appealing as a subsequent result of Kasuga's changing perceptions of, and relationships with, said characters. In a nutshell, what I'm trying to say is that maybe as the show progresses, we'll get a sort of beer goggles effect that changes Nakamura from looking like Squealer into something more....aesthetically pleasing...? That's motherfucking genius. Instant 10/10 if this is how it happens. |
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YorozuyaGinSan said: I think I've come to conclusion that your tastes are relatively out there, and (in my opinion) aren't quite as good as your ego leads you to believe. Or you're just trolling. |
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| Is the rotoshop choppy and lacking detail? Yes. Is it bad? On a technical level maybe, but personally, I love it. I think it creates an awesome effect - half-ultra real and half-obviously fake, giving it a simultaneously dreamlike and realistic atmosphere. I think the whole thing is beautiful, and I'm glad there are a scant few other who agree with me. |
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Ekureiru said: YorozuyaGinSan said: I think I've come to conclusion that your tastes are relatively out there, and (in my opinion) aren't quite as good as your ego leads you to believe. Or you're just trolling. I don't even know what you're quoting me on, but I can assure you... My tastes are more legit than any other. Calling an Anime beautiful =/= Calling an Anime good. |
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YorozuyaGinSan said: Ekureiru said: YorozuyaGinSan said: I think I've come to conclusion that your tastes are relatively out there, and (in my opinion) aren't quite as good as your ego leads you to believe. Or you're just trolling. I don't even know what you're quoting me on, but I can assure you... My tastes are more legit than any other. Calling an Anime beautiful =/= Calling an Anime good. Just trying to get your attention in general. I will say this much though. If you think this is 'beautiful' animation, then you are sorely mistaken on what proper quality in animation is. One fine example I can provide out of many is Break Blade. |
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shadowtsunami said: So people hate this show only because of it's artwork lol? No. It's just the easiest reason to repeat because it speaks volumes on it's own. Many are also upset with the godawful pacing (half of one chapter in a 13 episode series based on a much longer than 6 chapter manga is kind of fucking retarded), and other aspects. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: shadowtsunami said: So people hate this show only because of it's artwork lol? No. It's just the easiest reason to repeat because it speaks volumes on it's own. Many are also upset with the godawful pacing (half of one chapter in a 13 episode series based on a much longer than 6 chapter manga is kind of fucking retarded), and other aspects. 95% of the complaints are directed towards the art-style |
| 1st: Just because it's different doesn't mean it's good. I hate those "It's different, so it's good" people. For "different" to be "good" it has to actually BE good. 2nd: The backgrounds are indeed very beautiful. But that's not what people are complaining about. 3rd: I think people hating it WAS the point. |
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Ekureiru said: YorozuyaGinSan said: Ekureiru said: YorozuyaGinSan said: I think I've come to conclusion that your tastes are relatively out there, and (in my opinion) aren't quite as good as your ego leads you to believe. Or you're just trolling. I don't even know what you're quoting me on, but I can assure you... My tastes are more legit than any other. Calling an Anime beautiful =/= Calling an Anime good. Just trying to get your attention in general. I will say this much though. If you think this is 'beautiful' animation, then you are sorely mistaken on what proper quality in animation is. One fine example I can provide out of many is Break Blade. I probably made this clear in my first post, but I was referring solely to the back ground animation of Aku no Hana. It's not a fair comparison when Break Blade firstly has a movie level budget, and also takes place in far more remote locations than Aku no Hana. Keep in mind, I only made this thread because Aku no Hana is currently lowest scoring Anime on Mal despite all it seemed to have going for it. |
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| The background are indeed astonishing. As for the unfamous character design, I really don't understand the hate. How can this be the lowest rated anime on MAL, that's fucking horrid. Just because it's not what people are used to. I understand the disappointment of the manga fans, it indeed is a big change and frankly, it doesn't look nice or appealing, but rather very realistic, and I think that was THE POINT. That applies to how the characters move too, and I like it. And after one episode, they complain that the pacing was too slow... omg. I really liked the atmosphere the anime has and I'll definitely continue watching this. If the show gets cancelled or something, I'll get really pissed. And I thought MAL was a community of people who are more open to experiments, but hell I was wrong. |
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TallonKarrde23 said: YorozuyaGinSan said: dat realism It's like I'm playing a game and have the field of view set as low as it'll go, not to mention the textures set to lowest. Graphic to Performance ratio Performance max |
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| Rotoscope when done right : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZNPdUjaXys#t=1m37s Your beautiful animation: [img] They look like potatoes gaining human faces. I love OP |
| Sword in hand, a warrior clutches stone to breast. In sword etched he his fading memories In stone, his tempered skill By sword attested, by stone revealed. Their tale can now be told |
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