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Dec 5, 1:56 PM
#1
| Something I've noticed from me and others is a certain sense of "fear" when some anime is too long (I guess it also applies to manga, LNs and VNs). But isn't it a bit weird? No one complains "I HAVE TOO MUCH CHOCOLATE! I HAVE CHOCOLATE TO LAST THE WHOLE YEAR!". If it's good, isn't it good that there's a lot of it? If it's bad, shouldn't you just drop it? I don't understand why I feel it either, why do we have an instinctive fear of anime that are too long? (Larger than 24-26 episodes, though mainly about anime that are 48 episodes or more). |
Dec 5, 1:58 PM
#2
| Probably because a lot of those cases are "ohh it gets good after X or Y" and the whole thing feels like a chore rather than getting into and experiencing a fun new anime |
Dec 5, 2:02 PM
#3
Reply to NS2D
Probably because a lot of those cases are "ohh it gets good after X or Y" and the whole thing feels like a chore rather than getting into and experiencing a fun new anime
| @NS2D So basically experiences which are painful at first but eventually start feeling nice and you start to enjoy it? Something like Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS kinda fits it (The initial episodes are indeed painful), though it's only 2-cours. I couldn't imagine myself using this cope for anything longer than that. |
Dec 5, 2:11 PM
#4
Reply to thewiru
@NS2D
So basically experiences which are painful at first but eventually start feeling nice and you start to enjoy it?
Something like Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS kinda fits it (The initial episodes are indeed painful), though it's only 2-cours.
I couldn't imagine myself using this cope for anything longer than that.
So basically experiences which are painful at first but eventually start feeling nice and you start to enjoy it?
Something like Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha StrikerS kinda fits it (The initial episodes are indeed painful), though it's only 2-cours.
I couldn't imagine myself using this cope for anything longer than that.
| @thewiru Indeed, and we'll probably see more of that mindset once the generation that grew up on short form content gets into anime and demands that it panders to them This thread https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2243664 actually had a lot of good arguments as to why some people might not be interested in too long series |
Dec 5, 2:23 PM
#5
| I personally don't drop, so there's a natural fear there. In the analogy of chocolate, if you're choosing between two boxes and one is twice as big as the other, it's more of a risk you're taking by getting the bigger box if it turns out to be shit and now you're stuck with the rest of it. Even if you don't drop, anime staying past their welcome also isn't good. If a show ends on a bad note that sours the rest of it. If a show is good for 80 episodes and the last 20 are garbage, that ending is what's left in your mind. It's harder to think about the good times when the bad memories are more recent. People also like having more experiences. It's nice being able to see more anime, and that's harder if the anime are longer. If one friend recommends you a 12 episode anime and another recommends you a 100 episode anime, which are you going to watch first? The short one is easier to finish. You could get through a whole bunch that length, so the long one ends up on the backburner. |
Dec 5, 2:25 PM
#6
Reply to NS2D
@thewiru Indeed, and we'll probably see more of that mindset once the generation that grew up on short form content gets into anime and demands that it panders to them
This thread https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2243664 actually had a lot of good arguments as to why some people might not be interested in too long series
This thread https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2243664 actually had a lot of good arguments as to why some people might not be interested in too long series
| @NS2D Yeah, I can see that those wouldn't really fit if the person is too young. Funny that the thread was locked with essentially "OK, no one is fighting here, but this is getting locked regardless". |
Dec 5, 2:30 PM
#7
Reply to zombie_pegasus
I personally don't drop, so there's a natural fear there. In the analogy of chocolate, if you're choosing between two boxes and one is twice as big as the other, it's more of a risk you're taking by getting the bigger box if it turns out to be shit and now you're stuck with the rest of it.
Even if you don't drop, anime staying past their welcome also isn't good. If a show ends on a bad note that sours the rest of it. If a show is good for 80 episodes and the last 20 are garbage, that ending is what's left in your mind. It's harder to think about the good times when the bad memories are more recent.
People also like having more experiences. It's nice being able to see more anime, and that's harder if the anime are longer. If one friend recommends you a 12 episode anime and another recommends you a 100 episode anime, which are you going to watch first? The short one is easier to finish. You could get through a whole bunch that length, so the long one ends up on the backburner.
Even if you don't drop, anime staying past their welcome also isn't good. If a show ends on a bad note that sours the rest of it. If a show is good for 80 episodes and the last 20 are garbage, that ending is what's left in your mind. It's harder to think about the good times when the bad memories are more recent.
People also like having more experiences. It's nice being able to see more anime, and that's harder if the anime are longer. If one friend recommends you a 12 episode anime and another recommends you a 100 episode anime, which are you going to watch first? The short one is easier to finish. You could get through a whole bunch that length, so the long one ends up on the backburner.
| @zombie_pegasus I kinda get it. I kinda do prefer taking lots of different ones at the same time rather than being filled to the brim with a single one (It's the reason I haven't read Muv-Luv yet, it would've taken me months only focusing on it). Keeping up with the chocolate analogy: It could be those really black ones that are very hard and taste terribly. I think I once tasted a small tablet that was 85% cocoa or something, and I streamed myself on Discord for a friend just so the experience wouldn't be a waste. But yeah, talk about sour taste... |
Dec 5, 2:33 PM
#8
| Yeah, somehow weird to me too. I have several theories. Maybe some of those are equally valid or actually none is. - People are afraid of long term commitment, they want the story to be done relatively fast. - Many people binge watch and for some reason splitting the binging into several session is unthinkable? - People have bad experiences with the long going shows of old, some of which had absurd amounts of padding, They hope that a shorter show will be more concentrated. - With multiple entry titles, people believe that shorter separated seasons will have better production quality, since more time will be given for polishing. I kind of agree with athose points (except the binge watching which I think actually ruins the experience and the longest session should be 6-7 episode max), but also I don't think those rules are set in stone. One should go case by case, especially when the different seasons are done by different studios, PS Let's take Kindaichi Shounen no Jikenbo for example. It has 148 + 25 + 22 episodes + specials + OVAs + pilot + the theatrical version of the movie being different that the same arc in the TV episodes. By the modern standards the first 148 episodes should be garbage and sure, there are many trashy episodes, but also some of the best arcs which punch the hardest. Also the atmosphere and the beloved characters will get you through the worst parts. It becomes sort of ritual and mood fix. Very similar thing with Lupin III, but on a bigger scale with way more seasons, specials and movies. |
alshuDec 5, 2:49 PM
Dec 5, 2:37 PM
#9
| That's a very unemployed way of thinking. If you don't have the time to sit around all day doing nothing but watching anime, then forgetting what the beginning of it was about is a very real possibility, so you are just unable to get through it even if you do like it. Same with the chocolate, it'll just spoil on you. Or like you could make the analogy that binging all that anime is like eating so much chocolate in a short time that you get fat and diabetic. |
Kimochi Warui |
Dec 5, 2:43 PM
#10
| Two reasons: - most anime with a lot of episodes are long running adaptations which means unnecessarily slow pacing, fillers and below average animation quality - if an anime with 100 episodes turns out to be okayish (not particularly good but decent enough not to be dropped), wouldn't that time be better spent watching eight 1-cour anime or four 2-cours anime, hoping to find at least one great anime among them? But you can't drop it because, as I said, it's okayish, not bad. |
NirinboDec 5, 2:47 PM
Dec 5, 2:44 PM
#11
| Because there is a point to finishing an anime series? It has a beginning and an end. If I stop mid-way, I'm not getting the most out of it, and I kind of wasted the time I've put in so far. Stopping is not an issue when I don't care about the anime, but it's frustrating when I still like the anime overall but find it difficult to continue, due to waning interest, distractions, IRL stuff or whatever. Chocolate isn't a good analogy, because you can stop eating that chocolate at any moment, once you've had your fill. There's no real benefit to working through the whole package from start to finish. |
Dec 5, 2:46 PM
#12
| Because Pokemon, Naruto, and One Piece became a chore to watch and turned me off from watching any future series that's long and doesn't have 24 episode seasons. |
Dec 5, 2:57 PM
#13
| Most anime are actually 50+ episodes in total as these seasons are part of the same series and a lot of people already watched such series like my hero academia being 170 eps in total, jojo 190+eps as of now, fullmetal alchemist brotherhood 64 eps, attack on titan nearly 100 eps in total as well. |
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Dec 5, 3:20 PM
#14
Reply to NS2D
Probably because a lot of those cases are "ohh it gets good after X or Y" and the whole thing feels like a chore rather than getting into and experiencing a fun new anime
| @NS2D NS2D said: Probably because a lot of those cases are "ohh it gets good after X or Y" and the whole thing feels like a chore rather than getting into and experiencing a fun new anime This was my experience with "A Certain Magical Index" it had a few points that were excellent, especially the Sisters arc (Though to be fair, Railgun still did it better) but the rest of the show was such a slog with boring characters, mediocre animation and awful pacing. Knowing that there's three seasons, each one 26 episodes long... Why would I bother forcing my way through it for a few good scenes? thewiru said: I don't understand why I feel it either, why do we have an instinctive fear of anime that are too long? (Larger than 24-26 episodes, though mainly about anime that are 48 episodes or more). To explain here but it's not really a fear as much as it is a time commitment thing. I've got limited time in the day and a longer series is more of a commitment. It's part of why I dropped the big 3, I just didn't have the time for massive series like that. I do sometimes try out longer series. I recently watched through Dear Brother, which is 39 episodes long and while I enjoyed it a lot, there's no doubt that it stumbled a bit in the third and final arc (Which, while still good, didn't live up to the previous two) and I've got Beast Player Erin on my PTW list, which is 50 episodes long. I've generally found 12 - 26 episodes to be the sweet spot in being short enough that it's easy to watch without having to worry about egregious filler but long enough to develop a cast, World and plot before wrapping it up neatly. Sometimes a shorter format is just better for a story, for example; Serial Experiments Lain or Gakkou Gurashi excel with 12/13 episodes, any more than that would have killed their pacing. Though granted on the flipside there are shows that clearly would have benefited from being longer, like Gundam GquuuuuX which desperately needed a longer runtime. Basically what I'm saying is that it's not a fear of long series, just a personal preference for shorter, self contained narratives. |
Dec 5, 3:40 PM
#15
| 24? 24!?!?!? Who the heck even has 24 to give? And who wouldn't be afraid of 24? Speaking from personal experience, even 6 or 7 down the hatch is a massive choking hazard, while anything larger than that going "bottoms up" just hurts as it crashes into your innards. Okay, fine, I admit it. I'm not speaking from personal experience. That's just what I've hear |
Dec 5, 3:42 PM
#16
Reply to Nirinbo
Two reasons:
- most anime with a lot of episodes are long running adaptations which means unnecessarily slow pacing, fillers and below average animation quality
- if an anime with 100 episodes turns out to be okayish (not particularly good but decent enough not to be dropped), wouldn't that time be better spent watching eight 1-cour anime or four 2-cours anime, hoping to find at least one great anime among them? But you can't drop it because, as I said, it's okayish, not bad.
- most anime with a lot of episodes are long running adaptations which means unnecessarily slow pacing, fillers and below average animation quality
- if an anime with 100 episodes turns out to be okayish (not particularly good but decent enough not to be dropped), wouldn't that time be better spent watching eight 1-cour anime or four 2-cours anime, hoping to find at least one great anime among them? But you can't drop it because, as I said, it's okayish, not bad.
Nirinbo said: if an anime with 100 episodes turns out to be okayish (not particularly good but decent enough not to be dropped), wouldn't that time be better spent watching eight 1-cour anime or four 2-cours anime, hoping to find at least one great anime among them? But you can't drop it because, as I said, it's okayish, not bad. This assumes I have 8 other anime I'm interested in watching and that the longest anime isn't the best of them, neither condition which is guaranteed. |
| その目だれの目? |
Dec 5, 3:44 PM
#17
Reply to deltahalo241
@NS2D
This was my experience with "A Certain Magical Index" it had a few points that were excellent, especially the Sisters arc (Though to be fair, Railgun still did it better) but the rest of the show was such a slog with boring characters, mediocre animation and awful pacing. Knowing that there's three seasons, each one 26 episodes long... Why would I bother forcing my way through it for a few good scenes?
To explain here but it's not really a fear as much as it is a time commitment thing. I've got limited time in the day and a longer series is more of a commitment. It's part of why I dropped the big 3, I just didn't have the time for massive series like that. I do sometimes try out longer series. I recently watched through Dear Brother, which is 39 episodes long and while I enjoyed it a lot, there's no doubt that it stumbled a bit in the third and final arc (Which, while still good, didn't live up to the previous two) and I've got Beast Player Erin on my PTW list, which is 50 episodes long.
I've generally found 12 - 26 episodes to be the sweet spot in being short enough that it's easy to watch without having to worry about egregious filler but long enough to develop a cast, World and plot before wrapping it up neatly. Sometimes a shorter format is just better for a story, for example; Serial Experiments Lain or Gakkou Gurashi excel with 12/13 episodes, any more than that would have killed their pacing. Though granted on the flipside there are shows that clearly would have benefited from being longer, like Gundam GquuuuuX which desperately needed a longer runtime.
Basically what I'm saying is that it's not a fear of long series, just a personal preference for shorter, self contained narratives.
NS2D said:
Probably because a lot of those cases are "ohh it gets good after X or Y" and the whole thing feels like a chore rather than getting into and experiencing a fun new anime
Probably because a lot of those cases are "ohh it gets good after X or Y" and the whole thing feels like a chore rather than getting into and experiencing a fun new anime
This was my experience with "A Certain Magical Index" it had a few points that were excellent, especially the Sisters arc (Though to be fair, Railgun still did it better) but the rest of the show was such a slog with boring characters, mediocre animation and awful pacing. Knowing that there's three seasons, each one 26 episodes long... Why would I bother forcing my way through it for a few good scenes?
thewiru said:
I don't understand why I feel it either, why do we have an instinctive fear of anime that are too long? (Larger than 24-26 episodes, though mainly about anime that are 48 episodes or more).
I don't understand why I feel it either, why do we have an instinctive fear of anime that are too long? (Larger than 24-26 episodes, though mainly about anime that are 48 episodes or more).
To explain here but it's not really a fear as much as it is a time commitment thing. I've got limited time in the day and a longer series is more of a commitment. It's part of why I dropped the big 3, I just didn't have the time for massive series like that. I do sometimes try out longer series. I recently watched through Dear Brother, which is 39 episodes long and while I enjoyed it a lot, there's no doubt that it stumbled a bit in the third and final arc (Which, while still good, didn't live up to the previous two) and I've got Beast Player Erin on my PTW list, which is 50 episodes long.
I've generally found 12 - 26 episodes to be the sweet spot in being short enough that it's easy to watch without having to worry about egregious filler but long enough to develop a cast, World and plot before wrapping it up neatly. Sometimes a shorter format is just better for a story, for example; Serial Experiments Lain or Gakkou Gurashi excel with 12/13 episodes, any more than that would have killed their pacing. Though granted on the flipside there are shows that clearly would have benefited from being longer, like Gundam GquuuuuX which desperately needed a longer runtime.
Basically what I'm saying is that it's not a fear of long series, just a personal preference for shorter, self contained narratives.
deltahalo241 said: I recently watched through Dear Brother, which is 39 episodes long and while I enjoyed it a lot, there's no doubt that it stumbled a bit in the third and final arc (Which, while still good, didn't live up to the previous two) and I've got Beast Player Erin on my PTW list, which is 50 episodes long. You can read the source material of both those anime in a mere fraction of the time it takes to watch them. https://myanimelist.net/manga/1419/Oniisama_e https://myanimelist.net/manga/11028/Kemono_no_Souja |
LucifrostDec 5, 3:47 PM
| その目だれの目? |
Dec 5, 4:07 PM
#18
| I don't really like to drop anime because I like to consume stories completely, and I also don't like to watch mediocre anime. Accordingly, the shorter the anime, the easier I am to give it a chance, and the longer the more picky I choose. It's one thing if it's some 45-minute OVA, another if it's something for 12 episodes, a completely different thing if it's for 25 episodes, and so on. So the longer the anime, the more potentially good it has to be. If watching some 4 episodes OVA gives me 6/10 impression - it is a great experience, the same 6/10 anime for 48 episodes - it is a terrible experience. |
Dec 5, 4:43 PM
#19
Lucifrost said: This assumes I have 8 other anime I'm interested in watching Well, I'm not surprised to hear this since I know you don't like watching anime that don't tell a complete story and my guess is that 60-70% of all anime are incomplete adaptations. Lucifrost said: and that the longest anime isn't the best of them The longest anime can be better than eight shorter ones, but it won't change the fact that "one long anime = one attempt to find a great anime" and "eight one-cour anime = eight attempts to find a great anime". Sometimes the guy who bought one lottery ticket will win and the guy who bought eight will lose, it can happen. |
Dec 5, 5:12 PM
#20
Reply to zombie_pegasus
I personally don't drop, so there's a natural fear there. In the analogy of chocolate, if you're choosing between two boxes and one is twice as big as the other, it's more of a risk you're taking by getting the bigger box if it turns out to be shit and now you're stuck with the rest of it.
Even if you don't drop, anime staying past their welcome also isn't good. If a show ends on a bad note that sours the rest of it. If a show is good for 80 episodes and the last 20 are garbage, that ending is what's left in your mind. It's harder to think about the good times when the bad memories are more recent.
People also like having more experiences. It's nice being able to see more anime, and that's harder if the anime are longer. If one friend recommends you a 12 episode anime and another recommends you a 100 episode anime, which are you going to watch first? The short one is easier to finish. You could get through a whole bunch that length, so the long one ends up on the backburner.
Even if you don't drop, anime staying past their welcome also isn't good. If a show ends on a bad note that sours the rest of it. If a show is good for 80 episodes and the last 20 are garbage, that ending is what's left in your mind. It's harder to think about the good times when the bad memories are more recent.
People also like having more experiences. It's nice being able to see more anime, and that's harder if the anime are longer. If one friend recommends you a 12 episode anime and another recommends you a 100 episode anime, which are you going to watch first? The short one is easier to finish. You could get through a whole bunch that length, so the long one ends up on the backburner.
| @zombie_pegasus I mean if you have 80 episodes you do like there's nothing stopping you from burning the remaining 20 from memory. For me Kyojin ends at the start of the rumbling. That 12 episode anime may be easier to finish but the feeling of there being no continuation hits earlier. |
Dec 5, 5:15 PM
#21
| If it's a series I like, then surely I'll watch it to the end. But it's a sad feeling seeing something you like turn bad because of pointless dragging and unnecessary drama. I guess for me the fear is not because it's long, but because it may overstay its welcome. |
Dec 5, 5:40 PM
#23
Reply to plebrepel
@zombie_pegasus I mean if you have 80 episodes you do like there's nothing stopping you from burning the remaining 20 from memory. For me Kyojin ends at
the start of the rumbling.
That 12 episode anime may be easier to finish but the feeling of there being no continuation hits earlier.
the start of the rumbling.
That 12 episode anime may be easier to finish but the feeling of there being no continuation hits earlier.
| @plebrepel It's especially easy to burn the worst episodes of Minky Momo from memory, because those episodes are nothing more than a dream. |
| その目だれの目? |
Dec 5, 5:48 PM
#24
| Time is a hot commodity and an ever depleting resource. |
| Ask not the sparrow how the eagle soars. I've never even seen an eagle. |
Dec 5, 5:50 PM
#25
| Because short things are easier to finish and less risky. |
Dec 5, 6:07 PM
#26
Reply to AnimeEnjoyer2357
Because short things are easier to finish and less risky.
| @AnimeEnjoyer2357 Yeah, but people don't usually feel fulfilled by things that are short and finish too quickly, do they? |
Dec 5, 6:22 PM
#27
Reply to thewiru
@AnimeEnjoyer2357
Yeah, but people don't usually feel fulfilled by things that are short and finish too quickly, do they?
Yeah, but people don't usually feel fulfilled by things that are short and finish too quickly, do they?
| @thewiru It depends on the anime. For me, for example, the 12-episode Madoka Magica was more satisfying than the 87-episode AOT. |
Dec 5, 6:31 PM
#28
Reply to AnimeEnjoyer2357
@thewiru
It depends on the anime. For me, for example, the 12-episode Madoka Magica was more satisfying than the 87-episode AOT.
It depends on the anime. For me, for example, the 12-episode Madoka Magica was more satisfying than the 87-episode AOT.
| @AnimeEnjoyer2357 So it's less about the size and more about the format, techniques, having the right rhythm and how it is used? |
Dec 5, 6:46 PM
#29
Reply to thewiru
@AnimeEnjoyer2357
So it's less about the size and more about the format, techniques, having the right rhythm and how it is used?
So it's less about the size and more about the format, techniques, having the right rhythm and how it is used?
| @thewiru I think the most important thing is my enjoyment. The characters, plot, and art style are also important. I don’t pay much attention to other technical aspects. |
Dec 5, 6:54 PM
#30
| I dont fear it at all, in fact sometimes it can be really good because I like to see how anime evolves during its multiple seasons and I really dislike rushed stuff specially at the end. What Im many times worried is that I dont like to be "sucked" by the anime so i only watch the show all day, I try to watch an episode a day (tho, I even for that I have been failing lately), so starting an anime with many episodes/seasons is a long time commitment on my side. |
Dec 5, 6:59 PM
#31
Reply to thewiru
@AnimeEnjoyer2357
Yeah, but people don't usually feel fulfilled by things that are short and finish too quickly, do they?
Yeah, but people don't usually feel fulfilled by things that are short and finish too quickly, do they?
| @thewiru You can't just make random statements like that without context. Like a video game you can spend a lot of time into, because the gameplay itself is fun, even if repetitive, getting better at it is fun in itself. But some people don't want or can't sink 60+ hours into a game of moderate length. Anime has no gameplay, how can you keep the story going on for so long? Side stories and arcs, that don't necessarily contribute all that much to the plot progression. I mean those are sometimes good, if not better than the core story, Monster comes to mind. But everything long eventually will have really bad parts to it, it's inevitable. |
Kimochi Warui |
Dec 5, 7:20 PM
#32
Depends on how long is "Longer".
The biggest factor is time. I can chose to spend it watching one long series that might not end of being any good or a whopping 25 shorter anime with a higher chance of being good, that seems to be a more efficient use of my time. |
KruszerDec 5, 7:30 PM
Dec 5, 7:47 PM
#33
| Well, now... where to begin? As someone who started watching anime *after* the whole craze of having behemoths of decade-long running shows, long shows just... scare me, frankly. Which is ironic as Naruto was one of my gateway anime. As for why? Oh, boy: 1.) Any anime over let's say 50 episodes, and isn't split over multiple seasons, tends to suffer from a few inherent flaws: A - Bad pacing, where there are massive lulls in-between arcs, sometimes due to production issues, sometimes because of difficulty accurately fitting content into tv-length, and sometimes because the studio just dropped the ball entirely. B - Filler. Not good filler either, just... boring, uninspired, by-the-numbers, 0 consequence filler. Just look at Naruto, where the last like 100+ episodes up until the Naruto and Sasuke fight is just... pointless. C - A terrible/mediocre beginning, and in some cases the conclusion is disappointing/lackluster as well. For the former, One Piece. Whenever I run into a hardcore One Piece fan, they always swear to me, "Oh, you just gotta get through like the first 50 episodes, and by ____ Arc you'll be hooked, trust me!" ... Do you *seriously* think I want to waste 50 episodes of my time torturing myself through mediocrity with the mere promise that I'll eventually get to the gold mine? Kingdom, one of my favorite anime of all-time, is another such example, where I just have to tell people, "Look, I know season 1 looks like trash, and I know season 2 doesn't look great either... but just push through, I *swear* it becomes peak by season 3, so long as you are into military/historical shows, I *swear*!" ... Yeah, most people will look at me and laugh, or try a few episodes and drop it. As for the latter, I can't exactly give any examples from experience, as I'm not a masochist that'll sit through a mid show just to have no payoff in the end, but I always hear how Bleach fell off a cliff (I get that once more content was pushed after, and that's supposedly fantastic, but still), and I know a lot of people were hugely disappointed by both the 4th Ninja War Arc and the Kaguya Arc of Naruto Shippuden (I wasn't one of them, but I understood their negativity). D - Watching such shows once they're completed, or near-completion, is a task. Watching them while they're airing, though? Oof. Just look at One Piece still chugging along, or Detective Conan. How many fans of those series have croaked, while these two monsters are *still* not done? Like, Detective Conan is nearly *30-years old*, with *29 movies*! That's insanity. 2.) I am quite open-minded for an anime watcher, as in I'll watch just about anything if I hear enough praise and it even *remotely* interests me. Chihayafuru, for example, is a show that wasn't at all on my radar, but was recommended to me by a friend and now I *need* more seasons, PLEASE Madhouse I'm begging you... *Anyway*, that means I already have a lot on my plate, as I'm a gamer *and* I pick up a considerable amount of seasonal shows, on top of working and having a personal life. There's just realistically no time for me to try to fit in a 100 episode show on top of that, and really, there is no argument on where my priorities are: 9 12-episode shows > 1 100-episode show any day of the week. The risk is too high, the reward is minimal, and even if it *did* somehow become one of my favorites, I'd be sacrificing too much for it IMO. I'm practicing what I'm preaching, too, as I 'recently' picked up Gintama, and tried to give it a fair, honest shake. I'm over 50 episodes in, and while I think it's kinda good, in a time-wasting but not groundbreaking or truly memorable way, I stopped keeping up with it when the Winter 2025 season started wrapping up so I could focus on the seasonals... and then Spring 2025 came, and I wrapped those up 'early' and was about to start Gintama again... but then Summer 2025 started, and *that* season was insane. Now it's peak time for my job, and I've got a few video games on the backlog... so Gintama's just going to keep sitting on the backburner. I've heard that once the 'serious' arcs come up, that's when Gintama truly shines, but I'm already *50 episodes in*... with only lukewarm feelings over it and with another 350 episodes waiting over the horizon, threatening all my free time. 3.) I don't really drop shows. Most of what is in my 'dropped' list are shows that I finished a season of, decided I'd had enough, and use that list as a way of keeping track of shows I *know* I want no part of going forward. It may sound ridiculous, but with my bad memory and my need to be organized/thorough, placing sequel seasons of shows I disliked/didn't care for there is almost... cathartic? Anyway, this means that I'll sit through a 12-episode season even if I dislike it, firstly to give it the fair chance it deserves as some shows start crappy and get good later on (like Steins;Gate) and also to ensure that I want no part in it later on. It helps my mind with the whole FOMO thing, like 'What if I'd actually really like it if I stuck it out?' or 'Maybe I'm just not in the mood for it right now, and it's my current mentality that's hampering my enjoyment'. No, I bunker down, finish the season, and if it still didn't land it goes into the fiery depths of hell, *uh* I mean the dropped list. So... with that said? I am NOT starting a large show, which is almost certainly going to have the fans of it going, "Just hold out until 'X', it becomes great then!", which may or may not be true, and then feel compelled to sit through and consume it, even if I'm not enjoying it. I *will* torture myself and force myself to complete it, unless it's truly unbearably bad to me. Honestly though, most large shows aren't. They're just... mid. 4.) Long shows take forever, yeah? To which, with my limited free time, a show like, say... Black Clover would take me months to get through, and maybe even have to put it on hiatus for a bit like I'm doing with Gintama right now... so if by the time I get to episode 110, my memory is murky about what happened 90 episodes ago... it's just a mess, frankly. I equate it to playing an RPG, getting wrapped up in other stuff for months, and then when you get back to your old save while you're just staring at the screen like, "What the f--- is happening...? Where am I? How do I play this, again?" Either I continue, but it's jarring and the experience is soured somewhat, or I restart which feels like a waste, or worst of all, I just give up and play something else. Time sinks, when you don't have the time to see it through properly and the motivation to stick to it, are the worst. So... real talk? I still watch a lot of 'long' shows: they're just stealthy about it. Like MHA, or AoT/SnK, or Kingdom, or Re:Zero, or Inital: D. Instead of running for years without stopping, they just split the content into 'reasonable' chunks that I can get through at my own pace without the same level of commitment, or investment, and if I start to dislike the show I can drop it easily once I finish that particular season/arc. The animation quality tends to be higher, the pacing is faster with minimal filler (which tends to be delegated as movies or OVAs anyway), and if I put my all into watching any given season it'd take me a week maximum without forcing myself (assuming I'm actually enjoying the show). This modern way of producing anime is how I prefer it to be done, even if less shows end up being seen through to completion as a result. To anyone with the willingness to read my 'little' rant, thank you. Figured if I was going to answer OP's question, I'd be genuine and thorough to the best of my ability. To the rest, I'm so sorry lol. |
AndrewappsDec 5, 7:59 PM
Dec 5, 8:01 PM
#34
| I have yet to see anyone acknowledge that episodic shows are easy to get into, as you don't have to watch the whole thing. I am certain that most fans have not watched 1,000+ episodes of Pokemon, Doraemon, or Detective Conan. |
| その目だれの目? |
Dec 5, 8:06 PM
#35
| Takes too much time, unless you have time to kill and plus have the guts to binge it. Which does anyone do that? I do that sometimes. |
Dec 5, 8:25 PM
#36
| Low attention spans. That's why long anime nowadays are split into multiple seasons. |
Dec 5, 8:28 PM
#37
Dec 5, 8:35 PM
#38
| I also think this comes from a strange expectation and self-imposed rule people put on themselves. They feel like they have to reach the ending fast, or at least not take “too long,” and that they’re obligated to finish everything they start. The no-drop mentality is genuinely dumb. |
Dec 5, 9:16 PM
#39
thewiru said: Something I've noticed from me and others is a certain sense of "fear" when some anime is too long (I guess it also applies to manga, LNs and VNs). But isn't it a bit weird? No one complains "I HAVE TOO MUCH CHOCOLATE! I HAVE CHOCOLATE TO LAST THE WHOLE YEAR!". If it's good, isn't it good that there's a lot of it? If it's bad, shouldn't you just drop it? I don't understand why I feel it either, why do we have an instinctive fear of anime that are too long? (Larger than 24-26 episodes, though mainly about anime that are 48 episodes or more). “Why are you and 'people' afraid of long shit?" No one complains about having too much chocolate or having too much sex... and it's not like anyone is forced to perpetually non-stop keep shoving shit like chocolate down their throat or keep thrusting their cock up inside a woman either. That’s because Japanese anime isn’t fucking chocolate, sex, or even your gramma's dirty underpants. lol Anime is more like a dream of being handed a harem of chicks where one is able eat out each ones pussy 1st and being told “Don’t fucking worry, if the shit taste bad you can just stop". instead of perpetually keep shoving that shit on ones tongue. No one has a gun to their head forcing them to keep licking anymore than watching any shit once one has start it. lol Cool. Except:
Length isn’t “more = better”. Length is risk. Risk of shit like filler. Risk of pacing faceplants. Risk of budgets evaporating mid-run. Risk of investing 30+ hours just to realize a story could’ve been told effectively and entertainingly in way less fucking time. “If it’s good, shouldn’t it be good that there’s a lot of the shit?” Sure... in the same way a book, movie, or conversation is good until it keeps talking past the point it had something to say. 'People' aren’t afraid of long anime. They’re afraid of being told “just keep going” by people who clearly have way more infinite free time and zero standards than most. lol If anything, don't fucking look at this medium like your trying to put notches on your belt every time you get to fuck a woman up her ass. Just watch shit without even looking at its total run time, and if the shit doesn't land for you and you aren't actually enjoying it, just stop and don't finish the shit. Just because one starts fucking a woman up her ass and then suddenly she tells them she has to take a dump and can't hold it, they don't have to keep going till they finish... they can fucking stop at that point. lol 'People' who hesitate at long running shit aren’t usually scared either... they have likely not been into this medium long enough and are not use to experiencing extremely long running shit to begin with. Where 'people' who have been really deep into this medium for decades and decades, usually have watched enough shit, even before MAL existed as it is, to know better than to treat this medium like a competition or scoring sheet. Time is finite, backlogs are real, and no story automatically earns unlimited commitment just by existing, even if most modern Users who have only been into this shit for no longer than a decade, to me seem like a majority all suffer from some shit like ADHD. lol But none of that means long anime are bad or that people who like them are wrong. It just means length isn’t a fucking virtue by default... it’s a variable. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it absolutely doesn’t. Treating the runtime of an anime like a badge of honor is newbie logic too. 'People' who have been into this medium for Decades-plus don’t ask, “how long is this shit?” because they’re scared either… they ask because they don’t usually have hours, days, weeks, and months of their life to waste, and they’ve already sat through enough episode 37s two decades ago to know that restraint is what usually separates memorable shows from glorified fucking marathons. So yeah, watch whatever you want, however long you want. Just don’t fucking confuse endurance with taste, or finishing everything with comprehension. At some point, that isn’t fandom... it’s just poor time management with fucking badly localized subtitles. The shit is almost as worse than each season mindless dumping dozens and dozens of seasonal slop against ones eyes to watch just for imaginary clout. lol |
ColourWheelDec 6, 2:04 PM
Dec 5, 9:43 PM
#40
| tiktok attention spans and/or people who like to act busy to give their time a sense of importance while they proceed to waste it in other ways. |
Dec 5, 10:25 PM
#41
| To be perfectly fair, I think we all have an "upper limit" of how many eps of an anime are confortable for us to watch. That said, I've never dropped an anime for being "too long." The whole.. 2? 3? anime I've dropped was because (a) they sucked altogether, or (b) they went to crap in the second season and were no longer worth watching for me. I honestly love long-run/multi-season anime and multi-title anime franchises (e.g., Macross; Gundam; BanG Dream!; etc.) But then, I'm old and have an attention span longer than that of a housefly lol. |
Dec 6, 1:21 AM
#42
| Yeah? Well, some people are busy. Some people just can't go like this: "Hey, I love Chocolate, I will sit down and eat for the next hundred hours. I don't have a life. Screw it." But since we're not really here to discuss the logic or the validity of these broad and made up claims you just made... but rather to stroke your ego, for the 5th time this week. Here you go: I Know! It's crazy. I don't think they are real Anime-Fans, like you. People are so afraid. I think these are these "Normies", you're discussing, in your other Threads. What about the culture? What about the art? It really needs people like you to make sure these things stay well and truly important or at least are being brought into the limelight. To make sure Tradition and history within the community won't get lost. Thank you for your Service, Sir. You've seen a lot of long running Anime, didn't you? Please tell us about your experience. |
Merve2LoveDec 6, 1:30 AM
Dec 6, 2:21 AM
#43
| There are few decent stories which need more than ten hours or so to tell. Too much time suggests you're likely to get a lot of sub-par content in there, either delaying moving the story forward for no good reason or just having a long series of events rather than a story which is about something. |
Dec 6, 2:26 AM
#44
| Because people instinctively try to avoid a sunk cost fallacy. |
*kappa* |
Dec 6, 4:28 AM
#45
| I'm afraid of long-windedness. Maybe 12 is too short. But 24 is like delicious. But if it's something I really like, more than 24 is okay or likeable. |
| Somebody kiss Potato. D:< |
Dec 6, 6:51 AM
#46
Reply to Merve2Love
Yeah? Well, some people are busy. Some people just can't go like this: "Hey, I love Chocolate, I will sit down and eat for the next hundred hours. I don't have a life. Screw it."
But since we're not really here to discuss the logic or the validity of these broad and made up claims you just made... but rather to stroke your ego, for the 5th time this week.
Here you go:
I Know! It's crazy. I don't think they are real Anime-Fans, like you.
People are so afraid. I think these are these "Normies", you're discussing, in your other Threads. What about the culture? What about the art?
It really needs people like you to make sure these things stay well and truly important or at least are being brought into the limelight. To make sure Tradition and history within the community won't get lost.
Thank you for your Service, Sir.
You've seen a lot of long running Anime, didn't you?
Please tell us about your experience.
But since we're not really here to discuss the logic or the validity of these broad and made up claims you just made... but rather to stroke your ego, for the 5th time this week.
Here you go:
I Know! It's crazy. I don't think they are real Anime-Fans, like you.
People are so afraid. I think these are these "Normies", you're discussing, in your other Threads. What about the culture? What about the art?
It really needs people like you to make sure these things stay well and truly important or at least are being brought into the limelight. To make sure Tradition and history within the community won't get lost.
Thank you for your Service, Sir.
You've seen a lot of long running Anime, didn't you?
Please tell us about your experience.
Merve2Love said: You've seen a lot of long running Anime, didn't you? The funniest thing about your response is that he hasn't. https://myanimelist.net/animelist/thewiru?status=7&order=12&order2=0 |
| その目だれの目? |
Dec 6, 10:15 AM
#47
| I personally fall into a weird category, where I avoided anime like FMA: B for a long time because I didn't feel like watching 64 episodes but read book series that took more than a year to finish LISTENING to (not even reading smh). I generally tend to read longer book/light novel series instead of one-off books, as opposed to anime where I mostly watch 1-3 seasons long shows. Watching season 1 and then reading the whole LN series has happened multiple times to me, I'm too impatient to wait for them to make more of the anime and I know that the story is good already, so I went into the anime with low commitment (1-2 seasons) and pivoted to even series as long as 30+ volumes. Might have something to do with Zarutaku said: Because people instinctively try to avoid a sunk cost fallacy. |
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Dec 6, 11:06 AM
#48
Reply to Merve2Love
Yeah? Well, some people are busy. Some people just can't go like this: "Hey, I love Chocolate, I will sit down and eat for the next hundred hours. I don't have a life. Screw it."
But since we're not really here to discuss the logic or the validity of these broad and made up claims you just made... but rather to stroke your ego, for the 5th time this week.
Here you go:
I Know! It's crazy. I don't think they are real Anime-Fans, like you.
People are so afraid. I think these are these "Normies", you're discussing, in your other Threads. What about the culture? What about the art?
It really needs people like you to make sure these things stay well and truly important or at least are being brought into the limelight. To make sure Tradition and history within the community won't get lost.
Thank you for your Service, Sir.
You've seen a lot of long running Anime, didn't you?
Please tell us about your experience.
But since we're not really here to discuss the logic or the validity of these broad and made up claims you just made... but rather to stroke your ego, for the 5th time this week.
Here you go:
I Know! It's crazy. I don't think they are real Anime-Fans, like you.
People are so afraid. I think these are these "Normies", you're discussing, in your other Threads. What about the culture? What about the art?
It really needs people like you to make sure these things stay well and truly important or at least are being brought into the limelight. To make sure Tradition and history within the community won't get lost.
Thank you for your Service, Sir.
You've seen a lot of long running Anime, didn't you?
Please tell us about your experience.
Merve2Love said: You've seen a lot of long running Anime, didn't you? Please tell us about your experience. Last time you had a question in your post and I answered, you told me I "missed the point". How can I know if I should answer this time? |
Dec 6, 11:24 AM
#49
Reply to thewiru
Merve2Love said:
You've seen a lot of long running Anime, didn't you?
Please tell us about your experience.
You've seen a lot of long running Anime, didn't you?
Please tell us about your experience.
Last time you had a question in your post and I answered, you told me I "missed the point".
How can I know if I should answer this time?
| @thewiru I will tell you. She asked the question sarcastically and likely does not expect a response. |
| その目だれの目? |
Dec 6, 5:03 PM
#50
| To me 12-24 episodes are long enough if you want to make it longer having several seasons that are some months or years apart is good. 52 episodes works fine as well but it´s better if they are split in to seasons. Biggest issue for me when they are to dang long aka Naruto, One piece, Bleach and so on they are to damn long to get in to and often more than not when they are to long they kind of overstay their welcome and become rather annoying. I started Food wars and after seasons 2 I just lost interests because it became to samey. I know I nag about anime´s I love to get a S2 or 3 but that because I want a proper ending to them and most of the same they don´t to the same thing over and over and maybe they are just more my style. Give me more of Super Cub S2 or After School Dice Club or Dungeon People or Diary of Our Days at the Breakwater. They deserve to be a bit longer. |
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