Eren was never meant to be like Lelouch.

i have never seen Eren be called a failed Lelouch.

Its about time y'all be comparing Eren with jesus lol

Get this shit off my feed

Yes, that's why it is a failed Lelouch. The same things happened in both shows, but in CG it happened because the character was capable of achieving that, while here it just happened for no reason.

very nice. I didn't see anyone compare him to Lelouch so far but if someone did, it's probably because they sacrificed themselves to save the world from something other than that there's nothing similar about them. like with eren he had the goal of destroying with titans from the start which he succeeded in while wars and stuff still happens in the world. Lelouch just made the world peaceful. yes it is totally different

I agree for most part as a Big fan of both works. People argue he is failed Lelouch though simply because of their plans similarity rather than characteristic even tho they have few similarities as well such as desire for freedom of their own lives etc.

Well yes and no, as I said I do agree that they’re aren’t copies necessarily, but you can’t disregard much similarities they have as individuals. Another thing is, when people say aot or eren copied and failed CG and Lelouch, they mean that as the ideas of the story rather than the portrayal of it in the story.

His natural tendency … to kill people? B/c that’s bs. That ain’t a tendency you just have.

Also how do you hate the people you’re killing, with the certainty that it’s what you want, while feeling immense regret for killing them because they’re mostly innocent? That does not compute. It’s also so pathetic that I don’t have the patience for it in a character. So dissatisfying.

Eren didn’t have to be smart, but don’t make him enact a plan that he himself acknowledges as stupid … and justify it with some weak ass logic like “it’s in his nature to kill” or this even more nonsensical turn of events with Ymir’s character.

Make him do it because he ACTUALLY wants to do it. Have him say with certainty “I decided that what I cared about wasn’t humanity’s freedom … it was that of my friends.” Or have him say that he cares about his friends more or something. You could easily tie that in with the themes of AOT, and it would hit so much harder than the bull crap we got.

Btw, I won’t waste time replying back if you do reply @Fuhrer_Wrath. I read your reply on another forum, and … the very first line tried to box Eren’s character in - in a way that didn’t make sense - so that my argument would fall flat … copium. Didn’t read the rest of it after that.

Yes, he was never meant to be Lelouche because that's not possible in the world of AoT. What Eren meant to be was to be the man to break the cycle of hatred and violence, even at the cost of wiping out the rest of the world. Yes. That was the strife that Eren was fighting against---to be better than his father and the people that preceded him. Who, may I remind you, were cowards and hid behind the walls of a small island and accepted the fate that Eldians should vanish from the world.

Eren was to not be like his father and Island Eldian Kings. Why did you see Eren act so angry and distraught in season 3 and earlier stages of season 4 before the whole final reveal? Was it just an act? I think not.

That is why, among many other reasons, people are upset with the ending of AoT. So yes, from all the seasons and readings that people have done, they have the right to call this ending bs and that it's a character assassination through and through.

It’s simple why Eren ≠ Lelouch.

Lelouch grew up and realised that he wanted to save the world.

Eren grew up and realised that he wanted to end the world.

Lelouch wanted to save his sister, then his friends and then whole world.

Eren wanted to avenge his mother, then protect his friends, then he simply let his intrusive thoughts win.

They were never the same. Neither was their plan/goal.

I thought this was obvious but yeah I agree

It’s simple why Eren ≠ Lelouch.

Lelouch grew up and realised that he wanted to save the world.

Eren grew up and realised that he wanted to end the world.

Lelouch wanted to save his sister, then his friends and then whole world.

Eren wanted to avenge his mother, then protect his friends, then he simply let his intrusive thoughts win.

They were never the same. Neither was their plan/goal.

He wanted to avenge his mom, when he was an ignorant kid.

He let his mom get eaten, when he could not do anything to save her. Remember, in paths the past and the future happen at the same time and as per Eren’s words “it’s all determined.”
He also said he tried to change things many times, but the events always played out as he saw them in his memories of the future.

Meaning, he simply could never save his mom. She was fated to die.

There’s no bad writing here. It’s just you who doesn’t understand it.

@MeVike



Bro but he says
"that's why I let him go and MADE HER GO TOWARDS MY MOM"

Do you mean even if he did nothing Dina would go towards Carla and eat Her ? Aka fated event.

Or

Do you mean the Universe of AoT forced him to kill his mom so that he could save his best buddy Armin in s3 part2? A decision made by himself.

Or

was it a decision made by himself so that his child self could seek selfish his desire and force him to follow the same path he took?

Or

Was everyone in AoT manipulated Ymir Fritz the Mastermind behind everything??

Do you not understand what the past and the future happening at the same time means? Or a determined event?

What Eren had seen, him having “killed” his mom had already happened. Meaning even if he saw it for the 1st time, it had already happened an infinite amount of times before in that exact moment.

A determined event is something that will always happen no matter how much you try to change it.

What does that tell us? Eren’s mom was to die for everything to happen. Can’t it be changed though? Now bc it’s already happened an infinite amount of times.


Going back to the Eren having killed his mom.

As you said, Eren said he made the titans go his mom’s way so everything would happen. How does he know that everything would happen if he made the titan go his mom’s way? Bc it had already happened. It was already set in stone to happen.

Eren also said himself he tried to change everything yet it always happened as he saw them in his memories.

Why does that mean? Basically, Eren just by existing means his mom dies. Eren being born is the the cause of his mom’s death. Eren seeing himself “kill his mom” is nothing other than him being forced to watch his mother die bc of him, without being able to have a say on it.


Then again, we go to the real matter of this topic:

What’s all this gotta do with what you even said in the first place? You called it bad writing by using Eren wanted to avenge his mother, but he killed his mother. By your logic that’s bad writing.

That completely shows you don’t understand what you’re saying.

The Eren that wanted to avenge his mom was the Kid and ignorant Eren. The Eren that knew of nothing at all.

The Eren that “killed” his mom is paths Eren. So where’s the bad writing here?

It’s actually very good writing. Just like in the beginning Eren wanted to kill all titans and then he learned all about them and found out the enemy were humans not titans. That’s character development.

Eren growing up and finding out he was the cause of his mom’s death is nothing other than a very good plot twist. He was blaming titans but realized that the fault was his, which goes in line with him realising the enemies are humans.

Again, where’s the bad writing there?

@ayanokamisama

Finally, I got it.
Thanks bro.

Past and future happening at the same time means
Eren after obtaining founder power became the freest person in the world and

he saw Dina diverging from her path and trying to eat Bertolt which would create two outcomes

1) Carla dies. Hannes saves Mikasa and Eren
Here Carla dies not matter what, her fate is set in stone

But Dina would become colossal titan

this is not possible coz there is only one timeline in AoT in which
The past determines the future & the future is based on the past.

2) Hannis saves Carla and Dina becomes colossal titan.

this is also NOT POSSIBLE coz sadly there is only one timeline in aot in which the past determines the future & the future is based on the past





So This means even if he didn't send carla towards his mom

Dina would ignore Bertolt eventually and move towards Carla coz that's how it is an event set in stone to happen like that.

So when Eren says "Made her go towards my mom"


It is either Eren fixing Dina's path so that his buddies could become heroes.

It's is Jus like how Eren manipulated Grisha offscreen by sending the memory shards of the rumbling to obtain the FT.

or

Dina would eventually ignore Bertolt and move towards carla an event that is set in stone.

This is Jus like when Eren said

"you guys can only save 20% it is already DECIDED"

Even if Eren stoppped the rumbling when Armin Asked him to

the rumbling will happen up to 80℅ no matter what as if Eren was doing it coz it's a event already happened infinite times.

Its already DECIDED by some HIGHER POWER or the UNIVERSE.

So in the end Eren was a mere slave to the path which was set by himself.

Most of what you’ve typed here is just sarcastic mumbo jumbo, so I’ll just answer the important stuff and end our very unproductive discussion.

Eren sees what’s already happened. Basically him diverging Dina. Dina ends up eating his mom and and thus AoT starts.

You still don’t understand what a determined/set in stone events is? Everything one does to change it, doesn’t change it. It’s simple as that. So yes, the events that need to happen, Berthold surviving and Dina eating Carla. No matter what you try to do will always happen. You don’t need to imagine other scenarios.

If you’ve seen Steins gate, you’ll know how no matter how one tries, they can’t change a determined outcome. It always finds a way to happen.



Again showing how you don’t understand anything. Eren can’t stop the rumbling, himself. He can’t do anything other than walk and wait for the final outcome (which he didn’t know what it was) to happen. The moment “life” connected to him he was simply a passenger or as he calls himself “a slave of freedom”

This is further proved by Armin, when he says Eren is only moving forward. It’s Ymir that’s resisting. It was Ymir that was fighting the alliance. Eren as he always said, was simply moving forward, towards that goal that was set in stone for Ymir.

So no, he can’t stop the rumbling. He can’t do anything. He’s a puppet. How many times do I have to say it to you? He said he tried to change the outcome many times, but it always happened exactly to how he saw it in his memories. That’s what set in stone or determined outcome means.

It seems like you simply can’t comprehend what that is.

This also debunks your statement that Eren avenging his mom when he killed her is bad writing.


That’s all there is. It’s pretty simple.


Whatever you do with this info, is up to you. Gonna go sleep now. Have great day/night in advance.

Tl;dr. It’s determined. It’ll always happen. You can’t change it. End of story.

@ayanokamisama