Attack on Titan
| The short answer: yes, he is. Villain≠Antagonist. Protagonist doesn't solely refer to the main character. Antagonist doesn't solely refer to the main antagonist. Protagonist= one of the main characters. Antagonist= one of the antagonists. Zeke is an antagonist that's working together with the MC (s4p1). Saying he can't be both is like saying one can't be a boy and a girl at the same time. |
SpeedSta123Jan 22, 2022 10:15 AM
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itz_Aditya28 said: No you are wrong imo..here is a video that might help you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjlE18Gcd6Y he is an antagonist when you think ab it here is a vid that might help you https://youtu.be/H6GmVCD7cxk |
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DevinePower468 said: just don't quote ,the thread will die that wayCan we stop with these threads I made a thread about this as well but now this is getting old. |
itz_Aditya28 said: He said the protagonist is the leading character of a story while the definition says it's either the leading character (which is most common) OR one of the major characters.No you are wrong imo..here is a video that might help you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjlE18Gcd6Y |
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| Lots of SNK fanboys somehow failed to notice complete shift this series made in The Final Series. Whole narrative made 180* shift, some characters developed beyond recognition, new ones were introduced and we even have a point od view from the other side of the conflict, which used to be an antagonists before, but now they are not. If Eren is not the antagonist, then who even is? Just like an antagonist can become a protagonist later on, same thing applies in reverse. Short answer: Yes |
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Ankit_DUTTA-1234 said: Piromysl said: Lots of SNK fanboys somehow failed to notice complete shift this series made in The Final Series. Whole narrative made 180* shift, some characters developed beyond recognition, new ones were introduced and we even have a point od view from the other side of the conflict, which used to be an antagonists before, but now they are not. If Eren is not the antagonist, then who even is? Just like an antagonist can become a protagonist later on, same thing applies in reverse. Short answer: Yes PochitaPochita said: The short answer: yes, he is. Villain≠Antagonist. Protagonist doesn't solely refer to the main character. Antagonist doesn't solely refer to the main antagonist. Protagonist= one of the main characters. Antagonist= one of the antagonists. Zeke is an antagonist that's working together with the MC (s4p1). Saying he can't be both is like saying one can't be a boy and a girl at the same time. Okeh , you are saying that Eren is an antagonist.... So who is or are the protagonists ? Those shitty alliance ?Did you see DEATH NOTE? What do you think , who is the protagonist , L or Light ? the MC could turn himself evil as fcuk but , the protagonist will be The protagonist... Briefly , eren is the protagonist and the alliance will be the antagonist ..... The better question yet is: Who is the antagonist if not Eren. |
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Ankit_DUTTA-1234 said: Now , the antagonists are those ghetto lived Eldians and Marleys who are trying to prevent eren from activing the RuBliNg .... And in future , the alliance would be the biggest antagonist .... But , if you begin to think about Armin and mikasa's perspective ... Eren will be become the antagonist from there pov. That's simply not true. XD While story revolves around Eren and his plan, we no longer are following the story from his point of view. New Warrior candidates like Gabi and Falco are being put on the forefront and story is being told from mostly their point of view, which actually makes them protagonists, regardless of what you think about them. That's literall what the protagonist label is about. Gabi and Falco are literally exactly what Eren and Mikasa were at he very start of the series. The fact that we witnessed Eren's strory and what made him what he is now is irrelevant to this and just gives some more context. |
PiromyslJan 22, 2022 11:39 AM
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| Then you could say AOT has no protagonist, since there isn't good side, it is just war, where a lot of people die |
Cammell123 said: Then you could say AOT has no protagonist, since there isn't good side, it is just war, where a lot of people die This is also a very good argument to made. Such perception is completely valid in any show that portrays both sides of the conflict. "Price of smiles" is a good example. |
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Ankit_DUTTA-1234 said: I have. The protagonist of Death note is Light who also corresponds to the villain. The antagonist is L who opposes the protagonist. Being good or bad doesn't have much to do with being a protagonist or antagonist.Piromysl said: Lots of SNK fanboys somehow failed to notice complete shift this series made in The Final Series. Whole narrative made 180* shift, some characters developed beyond recognition, new ones were introduced and we even have a point od view from the other side of the conflict, which used to be an antagonists before, but now they are not. If Eren is not the antagonist, then who even is? Just like an antagonist can become a protagonist later on, same thing applies in reverse. Short answer: Yes PochitaPochita said: The short answer: yes, he is. Villain≠Antagonist. Protagonist doesn't solely refer to the main character. Antagonist doesn't solely refer to the main antagonist. Protagonist= one of the main characters. Antagonist= one of the antagonists. Zeke is an antagonist that's working together with the MC (s4p1). Saying he can't be both is like saying one can't be a boy and a girl at the same time. Okeh , you are saying that Eren is an antagonist.... So who is or are the protagonists ? Those shitty alliance ?Did you see DEATH NOTE? What do you think , who is the protagonist , L or Light ? the MC could turn himself evil as fcuk but , the protagonist will be The protagonist... Briefly , eren is the protagonist and the alliance will be the antagonist ..... |
SpeedSta123Jan 22, 2022 12:13 PM
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| At this point, screw the concept of protagonist and antagonist. He is Thanos, but without the Gauntlet; THE END. |
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ktg said: Haha you can be happy and unhappy at the same time.Can you be happy and unhappy at the same time? No. So we got the correct answer to your question. And if we talk about solely S4P1 then yes, Eren is the antagonist, but he's not the protagonist. In S4P1 Falco is much closer to be the protagonist. "Yale University psychology professor Laurie Santos, who is teaching an extraordinarily popular course on how to be happy, agreed it's possible for people to feel both positive and negative emotions at once." |
SpeedSta123Jan 22, 2022 12:05 PM
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| If you make Mikasa or Reiner or armin or Gabi the protagonist than yes he is antagonist but if he is the protagonist the only way he will be an antagonist is if he has split personality |
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| He is both antagonist and protagonist tbh.. |
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ktg said: We use synonyms while repeating a word a second time to avoid being repetitivePochitaPochita said: Haha you can be happy and unhappy at the same time. "Yale University psychology professor Laurie Santos, who is teaching an extraordinarily popular course on how to be happy, agreed it's possible for people to feel both positive and negative emotions at once." Having positive and negative emotions at once is not same as being happy and unhappy. So your quote doesn't refute me, but nice try. |
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| The protagonist is the character whose perspective we follow. During the parts of the story where we follow Eren's perspective he is the protagonist. The Final Season is not shown from Eren's perspective and the characters which we are following oppose Eren, so he is the antagonist for this portion of the story. He can't be protag and antag at the same time, but he can swap between roles. |
BlazeGV said: Your definition from Google says protagonist is also one of the major characters and not only the main character but you are ignoring that part.By definition no, Protagonist - the leading character or one of the major characters in a play - taken from google Antagonist - a character in a story who is presented as a foe to the protagonist So by definition Eren cannot be the antagonist unless you can pinpoint the exact moment that the protagonist shifted to someone else that eren opposes and then stated that way. Eren is the protagonist of the story he is the villain right now yes but not the antagonist and protagonist and antagonist contradict each other they cannot over lap protagonist doesn’t equal hero and antagonist doesn’t equal villain. So again Eren isn’t the antagonist unless someone else became the protag |
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ktg said: I think you're pretending you didn't understand the quote. You can fight with your own conscience, I won't bother interfering.PochitaPochita said: We use synonyms while repeating a word a second time to avoid being repetitive You have a really sad life if your only positive emotion is happiness, because that's the only way that you could think it's a synonym. Hint: It says you can be happy and unhappy at the same time |
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BlazeGV said: What's the point of copy pasting the definition then if you're going to ignore it.PochitaPochita said: that’s ignoring the main point I made, the antagonist antagonises the protagonist. Hence why Eren isn’t the antagonist he can’t and isn’t going against himself. Please read what someone has actually said before you make yourself out to be a hypocriteYour definition from Google says protagonist is also one of the major characters and not only the main character but you are ignoring that part. You said by definition Eren can't be an antagonist because you think the definition is saying that protagonist only refers to the main character while it says otherwise. That's what I'm trying to tell you. If you don't understand, use Zeke as an example: He's still an antagonist in the final season but he doesn't antagonize Eren. In fact, he's an ally. Eren and Zeke are going against both Paradis and Marley which makes Eren an antagonist since our OTHER main characters are from both sides. Protagonist= ... OR one of the major characters (Armin, Mikasa, Reiner, Gabi, Falco etc are all protagonists). But Eren, unlike Zeke, can't seize to be a protagonist because a MAIN CHARACTER MUST BE A PROTAGONIST by definition. Protagonist= the leading character OR ... That's it. |
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BlazeGV said: Why paste the definition if you disagree that one of the major character in a series is not a protagonist. You could have said you were against the definition from the startPochitaPochita said: no read what I said again wherther a protag is the Mai. Or just major doesn’t matterWhat's the point of copy pasting the definition then if you're going to ignore it. You said by definition Eren can't be an antagonist because you think the definition is saying that protagonist only refers to the main character while it says otherwise. That's what I'm trying to tell you. If you don't understand, use Zeke as an example: He's still an antagonist in the final season but he doesn't antagonize Eren. In fact, he's an ally. Eren and Zeke are going against both Paradis and Marley which makes Eren an antagonist since our OTHER main characters are from both sides. Protagonist= ... OR one of the major characters (Armin, Mikasa, Reiner, Gabi, Falco etc are all protagonists). But Eren, unlike Zeke, can't seize to be a protagonist because a MAIN CHARACTER MUST BE A PROTAGONIST by definition. Protagonist= the leading character OR ... That's it. Eren is the protag The antagonist opposes the protag The protag can’t be the antagonist since the definitions contradict each other Hence eren isn’t the antagonist He can’t be unless some who he is opposing becomes the antagonist Also saying that every major character is a protag is dumb IMO Gabi is important but far from A protag Also Reiner is a major antagonist not a protagonist |
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BlazeGV said: PochitaPochita said: ok listen, yes a story can have more than one protag. However AOT only has 1 and that is eren. None of the other characters fit in every key point to make the a protag, and that is simply the fact that the story follows eren and his perspective. During the Marley arc eren isn’t the protag since we don’t follow his perspective we primarily follow falcos, so during this point in the story Falco is the protag. This then shifts back to eren. As such eren is now the protagonist and therefore cannot be the antagonist, and being both would be contradictory, a YouTube called the masked man did a great video on this very subject. He covers the main point I’m trying to make but more eloquently and thought out. It was my bad for not including the perspective thing earlier in.Why paste the definition if you disagree that one of the major character in a series is not a protagonist. You could have said you were against the definition from the start - Says Eren is the only protagonist - Nominates Falco as a protagonist *insert Roy Mustang's "it's raining" gif here* |
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BlazeGV said: Wait a second lemme use your logic against you:PochitaPochita said: you missed the pint, the protagonist shifts based on the stories perspective, it can change. As I explained during the Marley arc the protag is flaco and at the time only falco so 1 protag. Then it shifts to eren and only eren, 1 protag. I should have been clearer with my wording. AOT only ever has 1 protag at a time and that protag is eren with 1 expeption. Calling out that point doesn’t discredit the argument I made either just to let you know since it was just a discrepancy with wording- Eren is the only protagonist - Nominates Falco as a protagonist *insert Roy Mustang's "it's raining" gif here* 0. Eren was the only protagonist 1. Falco shifts to being the protagonist. 2. Eren becomes the antagonist since he's against Falco and co. 3. Eren returns to being the protagonist and since he's now the protagonist he can't be the antagonist. 4. Falco returns to playing whatever role you think he plays 5. Season 4 part 1 is over Crunchyroll awards was for s4p1, makes sense he is nominated in both categories (he did an amazing job when he was an antagonist and when he returned to being protagonist too). Now I feel safe to say he was both a protagonist and antagonist in the final season. Thanks for enlightening me |
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| I don't think there is a real antagonist, just different perspectives, you can put yourself in the shoes of every character in the series and share the same point of view. |
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