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Dec 11, 2009 9:00 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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They spent longer on the flashback than I thought they would, but it wasn't a bad thing, I liked it. Plus, this was probably the only way to make the episode long enough so that it ended where it ended.
Next week, we get another taste of Misaka Mikoto awesomeness, and I think that's going to be the last episode for this arc. I guess the Imouto arc will take another 12 episodes if this really is 24 episodes.
Kiyama with one red eye is scary.

They should have made Misaka speak in Kansai-ben so her last words in this episode could have been "なんでやねん!!" ...Maybe that's just me (I'm currently going through a NANDEYANEN phase).
Dec 11, 2009 9:05 AM
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another fantastic episode. actually i was really surprised by the pacing. i was sort of expecting this first phase of the last battle to take an entire episode so that the cliffhanger at the end would be when it looks like mikotosama got killed or whatever (cliffhanger at the end of the second volume of the manga). they even skipped the cute explanatory images of how she knew it was coming (eyes in the back of her head). but harumi's story was so well done that i'll forgive that.

i guess i should probably read the fourth volume of the manga at some point. i've actually been toying with watching the anime first, though, for a change of pace. but maybe i would regret that - ruining the manga by watching the anime first. the anime hasn't been as good as the manga. who knows.

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Dec 11, 2009 9:12 AM
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Flashback was well done... more in-depth than the manga but the battle was a bit too short though (so manga is better in that regards). At the rate they are going right now, the Imouto arc will not be able to last till the end of the series ... what kind of filler will they put in between??

Can't wait for Accelerator to show up ^^
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Dec 11, 2009 9:38 AM
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protoman96 said:
actually i was really surprised by the pacing. i was sort of expecting this first phase of the last battle to take an entire episode so that the cliffhanger at the end would be when it looks like mikotosama got killed or whatever (cliffhanger at the end of the second volume of the manga). they even skipped the cute explanatory images of how she knew it was coming (eyes in the back of her head). but harumi's story was so well done that i'll forgive that.

While I loved them in the manga, the cute explanatory images may actually ruin the mood a little in the anime. I think if they spent the whole episode doing the battle, it would have gotten dry three quarters of the way through, plus they probably want half an episode next week to resolve and put an ending everything.

I almost forgot: Next week, Kuroko violates Mikoto (again).

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i guess i should probably read the fourth volume of the manga at some point. i've actually been toying with watching the anime first, though, for a change of pace. but maybe i would regret that - ruining the manga by watching the anime first. the anime hasn't been as good as the manga. who knows.

Read it :D

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what kind of filler will they put in between??

Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what they can cook up. More character development, probably, and maybe a little Misaka-Touma interaction. That, plus a slight and subtle relation to the upcoming plot (like they did with the eyebrows girl before they actually got to the meat of the level upper plot).
Dec 11, 2009 10:25 AM
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It was nice and made sense, but what was that 'ghost' in the end?
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I think Kiyama got defeated way too easily by Misaka. Although it was a some what intense fight to me. I was hoping Touma would ram in like he did in episode 4 I believe and beat Kiyama.
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I knew Kiyama couldn't be really evil with those sexy eyes of hers.
But i have to say i expected both to put up more of a fight. I'd rather see two humans fighting than one human with some strange entity and of course this entity must possess some tentacles which at some point will strangle our attractive female lead...
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It was nice and made sense, but what was that 'ghost' in the end?


read the manga if you want to find out ... but I can tell you it wasn't much of a challenge for our level 5 to handle :P
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Dec 11, 2009 3:32 PM
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I Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!!
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Kiyama is like always attractive. Her angry face, her blushing face, her blank face; I love them all. Hair length is no matter to her, she looks cute in any fashion. Even her bloodshot eyes were great, especially added with the bags under her eyes. <3
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Dec 11, 2009 4:44 PM

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It's disappointing that characters like Kiyama who aren't really evil always has to be the ones to get obliterated just to show off the main characters's abilities.
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Wasabi said:
It's disappointing that characters like Kiyama who aren't really evil always has to be the ones to get obliterated just to show off the main characters's abilities.

Is not like she'll die or anything. Bad guy should get punished by the protagonist ^^
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I think Kiyama got defeated way too easily by Misaka. Although it was a some what intense fight to me. I was hoping Touma would ram in like he did in episode 4 I believe and beat Kiyama.
It won't happen..he is somehow busy right now XD

Yeah the battle seems more shorter than the manga..oh well probably because we use more imagination when reading the manga

Damn no wonder it took a while for my browser to load this page..those screenshot is making my browser exhausted XD

I don't know if i really looking forward to meet Accel again..after i saw something terrible, oh well
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kaminakun said:
Wasabi said:
It's disappointing that characters like Kiyama who aren't really evil always has to be the ones to get obliterated just to show off the main characters's abilities.

Is not like she'll die or anything. Bad guy should get punished by the protagonist ^^

She's not a bad guy though. Even though her method was kind of shady, she had good intentions.
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This is EXACTLY what I've been waiting for in this series. Finally, a glimpse into the darker aspects of the science side of the To Aru series. Kiyama shouldn't really be considered a 'bad guy' really. Spreading the Level Upper like a drug may not have been a good but at least she's got her plan all worked out and did prepare a cure for it, which she gave to Uiharu. It'll be a shame once this arc ends and they go back to their temporary stupid antics (not that they're that bad or anything). I look forward to the Accelerator arc.
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Holy shit. That's really all I said the entire time watching this. I cannot even fathom how amazing this episode was! Absolutely mind blowing.

I feel sorry for those who dropped this earlier... because right now it is beyond fantastic. Kiyama-sensei's flashback was beautifully done, and I really felt my heart strings being pulled during the lab scenes. Can't wait to see the next episode.
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pretty exciting xD

everyone always have a reason for doing something ... guess it was the children that made her do all this ..


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this is one of the best series in this season. i like how this series shows the dark side of science while index showed the darker side of magic. i hope both of them have more seasons or come together in another series.
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Wasabi said:
kaminakun said:
Wasabi said:
It's disappointing that characters like Kiyama who aren't really evil always has to be the ones to get obliterated just to show off the main characters's abilities.

Is not like she'll die or anything. Bad guy should get punished by the protagonist ^^

She's not a bad guy though. Even though her method was kind of shady, she had good intentions.


okay... wrong choice of word... not really bad... but as far as this episode is concern, she's the enemy for all the "good" guys

like I said, nothing life-threatening will happen to her so I don't think there's anything wrong with her getting beat up a little... though in the manga she gave a much harder time to Misaka
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porkypink said:
I think Kiyama got defeated way too easily by Misaka. Although it was a some what intense fight to me. I was hoping Touma would ram in like he did in episode 4 I believe and beat Kiyama.
Wasabi said:
It's disappointing that characters like Kiyama who aren't really evil always has to be the ones to get obliterated just to show off the main characters's abilities.


I also believe she got defeated way to easily having that many esper powers. Even if Misaka is a level 5.

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Holy shit. That's really all I said the entire time watching this. I cannot even fathom how amazing this episode was! Absolutely mind blowing.

I feel sorry for those who dropped this earlier... because right now it is beyond fantastic. Kiyama-sensei's flashback was beautifully done, and I really felt my heart strings being pulled during the lab scenes. Can't wait to see the next episode.


Lol that's exactly what I said when I saw the flat line, then the blood...
Tense episode, beautifully done. I was in shock and awe at the end.

She isn't bad. She's actually trying to do something kind of good, by exposing the people who allow or actually commit those kind of atrocities. Plus she said (If you can take her word for it) everyone will wake up fine and she easily gave the cure away. She also said that all esper we're in essence being used, or what they were participating in via the city wasn't safe, as they would like you to believe. Some dirty secrets going around. And she was trying to stop that/bring it down/find a way to "fix" this "problem". I wish she would've actually escaped.

Fetus was creepy looking at the end too.

Fantastic (but sad) episode.
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Is it just me or is this RITSU (railgun style):

http://nate.quandra.org/railgun11/79.png


She sounded and acted a lot like Ritsu from K-ON, and of course the trademark yellow head band.
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Is it just me or is this RITSU (railgun style):

http://nate.quandra.org/railgun11/79.png


She sounded and acted a lot like Ritsu from K-ON, and of course the trademark yellow head band.


Thats what i was tinking too LOL Ritsu guest stars in Railgun rofl

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A multiple abilities user..quite powerful. Whoa @ the ending with the fetus.



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At first I got annoyed when they went to flashbacks, but it made sense in the end. I felt bad for the lady. Good episode, though.
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Wow...just wow. Yeah the battle seems a bit short but that's okay. But the esper fetus at the end, that was unexpected...not to mention just gross looking.
What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

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Very good episode, I love everything about it except that alien fetus bakemono thing at the end.
Why monsters and alien thingies? Oh well... I love Misaka even moar after all xDDD
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Very good episode, I love everything about it except that alien fetus bakemono thing at the end.
Why monsters and alien thingies? Oh well... I love Misaka even moar after all xDDD


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Good Episode... it was really sad... now it's starting to seem like index YAY :D
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Nice to see Kiyama before she got those bags under her eyes. The look into her past was very cute and sweet at first, but it ended so horribly. It's easy to sympathize with her even if the tactics she used were wrong. The battle scenes were well done. Jaw dropped when that fetus thing took form. Definitely looking forward to the next episode.
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A surprisingly good episode of an unsurprisingly mediocre series.

The fight was actually pretty good until the whole "oops i was still alive and now i'm going to electric hug you" scene. Totally lame way to end a good fight. It doesn't show off Misaka's powers at all and it doesn't give the feeling of her being the underdog.

Their method of showing Kiyama's memories was pretty questionable. Misaki shocks her via touch and now she witnesses those specific memories? Don't they have writers? I suppose they needed a way to get The Truth to Misaka though anhd their infamously bad writers couldn't think of anything else.

This series might finally answer the question i've had since watching index though. Why students in the city spend all of their time learning about useless theories surrounding their powers. They all can't be specialists in the field so one day they would presumably need to get a job that isn't an ability specialist, yet their schooling system spends 100% of its time teaching them about abilities.

Will be interesting to see what they do with the fetus formed from all of that power. I sincerely hope that they don't have a stereotypical scene where Misaka faces off against it 1vs1. With these writers you never know though.

This does remain the most overrated series in the recent past though. I'd put it on Kampfer level at this rate. At least the spin off doesn't feature a plot entirely centered around the main character questing for his harem this time.
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Great job on the flashback this help's bring her motive's into a better light. Cannot wait to see the epic battle with the giant baby fetus next episode :P
Dec 11, 2009 8:36 PM
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This does remain the most overrated series in the recent past though. I'd put it on Kampfer level at this rate. At least the spin off doesn't feature a plot entirely centered around the main character questing for his harem this time.


Please don't compare this series to Kampfer... It's just wrong.

P.S.: Shikabane Hime was disappointing, you shouldn't be complaining about Railgun.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
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I really enjoyed some of the animation in this episode...particularly the fetus thing. Looking forward to some more action.
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Falatorx said:

The fight was actually pretty good until the whole "oops i was still alive and now i'm going to electric hug you" scene. Totally lame way to end a good fight. It doesn't show off Misaka's powers at all and it doesn't give the feeling of her being the underdog.


Kiyama is a level 0, she got ability through the network but she probably never fought once in her live, she have potential to be stronger than Misaka but at this point it is useless. Her blowing Misaka would has been more ridiculous than the opposite.
Also you need to not worry about seein Misaka ability since that the network is now out of control and it's ability to fight is surhuman and it has all the skill Kiyama had.

Falatorx said:

Their method of showing Kiyama's memories was pretty questionable. Misaki shocks her via touch and now she witnesses those specific memories? Don't they have writers? I suppose they needed a way to get The Truth to Misaka though anhd their infamously bad writers couldn't think of anything else.


Sorry but no, memories are electric signal so it make sense this way. Also soon it will be hinted that Misaka has the potential of creating a network like the level upper because with electric signal she could use synthesia and connect brain patern herself tough she's still far from this level at the moment. It means that Misaka has the potential to become a dual skill. You could say that in the heat of the moment she used her power to a new level.

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This series might finally answer the question i've had since watching index though. Why students in the city spend all of their time learning about useless theories surrounding their powers. They all can't be specialists in the field so one day they would presumably need to get a job that isn't an ability specialist, yet their schooling system spends 100% of its time teaching them about abilities.


Because ability user will have a work related to that. The world is large and Academy city has the role of teaching about esper power's, if you want to study something else you will go to another city if there isn't the course you want there. I mean they probably has other important course but don't expect random course there. And why the fuck would they show our protagonist in a math class anyway it would be out of context. Ability are related to science, physic, math and biologie, I also expect them to have a language course or two add to that two or three course about the esper poweritself and you get a session running.


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Will be interesting to see what they do with the fetus formed from all of that power. I sincerely hope that they don't have a stereotypical scene where Misaka faces off against it 1vs1. With these writers you never know though.


These 'writer' like you said are quite logicical, more than most series anyway, because you don't know about something don't mean it is absurb. And to respond to your question


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This does remain the most overrated series in the recent past though. I'd put it on Kampfer level at this rate. At least the spin off doesn't feature a plot entirely centered around the main character questing for his harem this time.


Lolwut Kampfer level? Look like it don't make sense to you when it's actually making some to everyone I know, wonder where you get this bad writting thing, especially with what you have on you fav bro.
Dec 11, 2009 9:03 PM

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Good episode. I would have liked some Saten-san though...
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Here's something pretty shocking i didn't realize now.
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Falatorx said:
A surprisingly good episode of an unsurprisingly mediocre series.

The fight was actually pretty good until the whole "oops i was still alive and now i'm going to electric hug you" scene. Totally lame way to end a good fight. It doesn't show off Misaka's powers at all and it doesn't give the feeling of her being the underdog.

Their method of showing Kiyama's memories was pretty questionable. Misaki shocks her via touch and now she witnesses those specific memories? Don't they have writers? I suppose they needed a way to get The Truth to Misaka though anhd their infamously bad writers couldn't think of anything else.

This series might finally answer the question i've had since watching index though. Why students in the city spend all of their time learning about useless theories surrounding their powers. They all can't be specialists in the field so one day they would presumably need to get a job that isn't an ability specialist, yet their schooling system spends 100% of its time teaching them about abilities.

Will be interesting to see what they do with the fetus formed from all of that power. I sincerely hope that they don't have a stereotypical scene where Misaka faces off against it 1vs1. With these writers you never know though.

This does remain the most overrated series in the recent past though. I'd put it on Kampfer level at this rate. At least the spin off doesn't feature a plot entirely centered around the main character questing for his harem this time.


what's with all that hating on Railgun?
i thought the fight scene was done pretty well, and the way it ended was well done, she used her power to dodge and she countered right after, how does that not show off her power? since this fight is not the final fight in the arc there's no need to make it one episode long, or the need to make her seem like an underdog.
i dont see how its questionable that Misaka was able to connect with Kiyama thru electricity, maxime1007 has explained that, and plus its a scifi/superpower anime ffs, theres no need to take every detail so seriously.
oh and Kampfer level? seriously? lol come on now
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... whoa.

Kiyama may have shot towards the top of my favorite characters with that performance. The consummate scientist. Socially, emotionally awkward. Driven to a fault with her research. Interesting choice to have the tragedy manifested in the dark circles always under her eyes! Cool too that the focus on Uiharu's headband last episode wasn't just a random joke.

And that may have been the best transition into a flashback I've seen. The science behind it might be a bit outlandish... but I really have to give the show credit for taking these leaps with the material they use. Choices like these really put magic into the science. The hell with pure stuffy logic!!

Oh, and if she hated children before, she's going to love Squishy Mental-Fetus Jr.
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Good episode, the dragged out flashback was the only thing that kept me from giving it a 5. This episode really gave Kiyama some depth, and the fight scene was nice, I'm wondering what the heck is gonna happen next episode.
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Huh, I really feel I should start reading the manga.

Where is Touma though? I know this one's supposed to be about biribiri, but he could stop all this in no time.

I'm guessing (cos I have no idea) that his right hand is an AIM field nullifier.

Fetus thing made no sense and in the previews looks like a bad CENCOROLL monster. Also, next week, biribiri gets borderline tentacle rape scene.

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Huh, I really feel I should start reading the manga.

Where is Touma though? I know this one's supposed to be about biribiri, but he could stop all this in no time.

I'm guessing (cos I have no idea) that his right hand is an AIM field nullifier.

Fetus thing made no sense and in the previews looks like a bad CENCOROLL monster. Also, next week, biribiri gets borderline tentacle rape scene.
Get on it..read the manga..XD.. Touma? He is busy with Index..probably,
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Kiyama in this episode reminded me of this:

(Possible spoilers for Tsukihime)
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chinlamp said:
Huh, I really feel I should start reading the manga.

Where is Touma though? I know this one's supposed to be about biribiri, but he could stop all this in no time.

I'm guessing (cos I have no idea) that his right hand is an AIM field nullifier.

Fetus thing made no sense and in the previews looks like a bad CENCOROLL monster. Also, next week, biribiri gets borderline tentacle rape scene.
Get on it..read the manga..XD.. Touma? He is busy with Index..probably,


Isn't this still before then?

And why did we not get to see how Misaka and Touma really met?

Ugh, whatever, I'm gonna have to read the manga.

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Great episode, i really enjoyed it.

Fight could have been a little more exiting but Kiyama flashback was nice. She looked better with short hair. And they made a good effort on making us feel for her and liking those kids.

And people stop that "where is Touma" shit already. Fuck him. This is Birisbiri's anime why the hell should he fight in her place?
Dec 12, 2009 2:50 AM
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this was an awesome episode. The story of Kiyama's teaching days was very well done, and the ending is epic :D
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D'awwwwww, I like her motivation.

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This episode was made up so nicely. It was made even more touching than in the manga: I loved it ! ;_____; ♥


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Here's something pretty shocking i didn't realize now.
Ummm...could you enlighten us with your findings? Putting picture up without an explaination is meaningless.
What if the Hokey Pokey is what it is all about?

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chinlamp said:

Where is Touma though? I know this one's supposed to be about biribiri, but he could stop all this in no time.

No he wouldn't if his adversaries just used a bit of brains.. attack him from several angels simultaneously and his down for it. Or why not cut off his arm with a melee weapon and the finish him off with some fancy ability? Oh the possibilities are endless.

Anyway so Kiyama lent the brains of those peoples to make the processor of a super computer?(wish I could do thatto my comp xD)
And seeing that flashback I'd say she's not evil at all, if anything it's Mikoto who is selfish, "played with their feelings" talk about a lame excuse for attacking her. I mean those kids have been in coma for years and the first level-up users for what, a few months?
So instead of letting her do the calculation and possibly helping those children, Mikoto thinks it's better to let all the preparations and suffering the lever-uppers might have endured to be in vain.
No I can't agree with her logic at all.

Though I'm a person who believes that the end always justify the means and as such don't necessary think what the doctor did on those kids was wrong either.
I mean the where unwanted rejects anyway and if those experiments could grant access to new knowledge and enhance humanity as a whole, then it was valid.

As for the fight I thought it looked quite good and the reason Kiyama lost is as previous said, she had no previous experience of using her abilities for fighting which Mikoto does. Plus Kiyama wasn't trying to kill Mikoto, so that even further reduced her chances of winning.
Overall I'm quite satisfied with how their battle ended. Though I really wonder WTF that thing that came out of her head was, and how they will explain it in a 'logical' way.
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Ummm...could you enlighten us with your findings? Putting picture up without an explaination is meaningless.


Those who know the Light Novel spoilers will understand what it means. And it is a VERY interesting find for us.

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Here's something pretty shocking i didn't realize now.


Interesting. Now I can't wait for him to fight


Get on it..read the manga..XD.. Touma? He is busy with Index..probably,


In manga, yes. Still not in anime it seems.
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