'Kono Manga ga Sugoi!' 2023 Rankings Revealed

Tokoya said:
I've been seeing this Horror/Mystery BL manga everywhere now....I wanna check it out, but its BL :')

AugustoMamilo said:

Me too lol, but if there is one in top 1 in male readers then I guess the BL part is not that bad.

AugustoMamilo said:
Me too lol, but if there is one in top 1 in male readers then I guess the BL part is not that bad.

Swagernator said:
I love to see how the shounen category numbers are influenced by all the fujoshi buying numbers.

Turly "Male Readers' Top 20" lmao.



Male readers category, does not mean it was voted only by males.

Tokoya said:
I've been seeing this Horror/Mystery BL manga everywhere now....I wanna check it out, but its BL :')

MegamiRem said:
Male reader top manga is a BL, very nice lmao.

AugustoMamilo said:

lmao i didn't know, now it makes sense
thx for clarifying

Swagernator said:
I love to see how the shounen category numbers are influenced by all the fujoshi buying numbers.

Truly "Male Readers' Top 20" lmao.

RobertBobert said:
You forget that the magazine is not mainstream and that many female-focused works are often published as shonen and seinen to save sales. For example, Black Butler and Kageki Shoujo have already done this.

Kuma said:
wow that casual homophobia and sexism, dang, as expected of MAL. this is NOT the first time BL title won male category awards. that honor goes to what did you eat yesterday?. while i am not into BL genre either (often too fetishy for me, horror thriller is not my preference either), watching this manga sales growth and pointed out it's a seinen title always has been amusing to see. this sales number can not be supported by fujoshi alone. seems like the fact that male demographic in japan welcomed stuff they didn't expect hurt their ego.

if huge fujoshi following is enough to discredit a series, those popular battle shounen would be the first one on the chopping block, lmao. not this one.


this is young ace, the same magazine that publish redo of the healer and that currently airing popular anime about gyaru cohabitation. if they want attracting more female focused series but shounen/seinen, you would think they go to GFantasy or heck weekly shounen jump. not Young Ace.

RobertBobert said:
A lot depends on the work itself, not to mention that magazines publishing LN serializations are usually a separate market from regular manga magazines. For example, Dengeki Dayoh mainly publishes yuri and moe just to fill up space and make the magazine payable.

Tokoya said:
I've been seeing this Horror/Mystery BL manga everywhere now....I wanna check it out, but its BL :')

Tokoya said:
I've been seeing this Horror/Mystery BL manga everywhere now....I wanna check it out, but its BL :')

Kuma said:
this is manga magazine we are talking about. not LN label. yes but Young Ace is NOT those magazine. also no, dangeki daioh is not mainly publish yuri, wtf. that's comic yuri hime.

MadanielFL said:
What's the problem with BL? lol

Luisito14 said:



So? Let the prejudice beside. Don t let it stops you to read a good story. Hikaru is a great manga, the story is darkening and intriguing, and the relantionship between the boys is sad, but they have a nice dynamics.

RobertBobert said:
To be honest, I'm starting to get annoyed at the idea being promoted that you have to have an interest in gay manga in order not to be considered homophobic.

MadanielFL said:
Did I ever say that? lol

nls__ said:
I am a Japanese male and I think "Hikaru ga Shinda Natsu" is a wonderful manga.
It is not a "BL manga" but rather a story in which the boy's secret homosexuality is a necessary element.
The protagonist's thoughts, combined with the eeriness of a god ≒ yokai-like being that is passed down orally in a closed community, leads to a good, creepy experience...

Butbutbut, I honestly have my doubts about this piece being "No.1". I don't think this work is in a position to be "No.1."
As in any contest... Kono Manga ga Sugoi! (This manga is amazing!)' is 'Kono Manga wo Uritai!', I guess it means 'want to market this manga from now on!'.
And this commercialistic trend seems to be growing stronger every year.

RobertBobert said:
Again. There are special manga magazines that are owned by LN brands that mainly publish manga adaptations of their IP. In this case, DD publishes a manga adaptation of Dengeki Bunko's LN. And most of their non-LN titles are either moe works like Azumanga and Railgun or yuri like Yagatte Kimi ni Naru. You don't need to be an expert to know this. And yes, Yuri Hime doesn't post "mostly yuri". It's literally just yuri magazine. I know that's not what you meant, but if you have another bout of argument for the sake of argument, then I will go to meet you You also misrepresented my comment by taking words about yuri out of context to accuse me of saying the magazine ONLY publishes yuri, but I'll pretend I didn't see it

This is first. Secondly, publications outside the mainstream audience quite often publish rather unconventional works that are either outside the traditional works for that demographic or publish all sorts of stuff for a wider audience. UP is a web-manga sub-brand of YA's exist for this type of work. If you look at their portfolio, you will find not only GL/BL, but even shoujo-like manga.

https://natalie.mu/comic/news/170195 Which makes perfect sense, as Natalie just calls it a "web manga brand" without mentioning any demographics. So the victory of this manga in the male manga section is really a formality.

Kuma said:
all you need to do is to search the the magazine title on MAL and filter to publishing.
https://myanimelist.net/manga.php?cat=manga&q=&type=0&score=0&status=1&mid=23&sm=0&sd=0&sy=0&em=0&ed=0&ey=0&c%5B%5D=a&c%5B%5D=b&c%5B%5D=c&c%5B%5D=f
there is literally more ecchi titles than yuri/moe stuff. yes it's kadokawa label, hence lot LN adaptation, but even magazine try to diverse even when they still tagged as male demographic. and you know, the reader are diverse too. male included, not carried solely by female who hijack the demographic label. that's just untrue, even Weekly Shounen Jump that arguably has most female audience out of other shounen/seinen magazine wouldn't just label themselves male demographic out of formality. that's part of their appeal. same case with Young Ace label hence male demographic label. and again, this is NOT the first time BL manga title won Male Demographic awards. you cannot say "what do you eat yesterday?" which published in Morning only categorized as male demographic out of formality.

so yes, A BL titles won Male Readers Vote, and no it's not unusual or formality.

RobertBobert said:


So, you got too salty again (this time due to the fact that the web manga sub-brand of the men's magazine is formally defined as a men's publication without being a men's publication in the truest sense of the word) and started talking casuistic nonsense just to argue for the sake of arguing (you don't even care that the ecchi filter would include their LN adaptations or that some moe work would still be ecchi)? I'm just stopping this conversation so as not to waste time on another level of demagoguery "I did not lose the argument, as long as I have something to write."

And yes, finding What do you eat yesterday in the male category is even more of a formality, it is literally BL food porno written by a woman for women with a predominantly female audience. Whose adaptation, as far as I remember, was even filmed as a typical girls dorama https://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/kinounanitabeta/. Morning is a typical seinen magazine that publishes a variety of works, which I have already mentioned above. Your attempts to justify this with a "diverse audience" are simply ridiculous.

Kuma said:


why are being weird man? who being salty? i just disagree such vague and subjective "not true male demographic" argument to discredit the the title.

again, there is literally only 4 moe title that i know of while 6 ecchi title that not LN adaptation that i know from dengeki bunko. literally look it up. i even given you link how your stereotype is false.

also again, soo many assumption you made which is not mentioned anywhere in the series or title, despite full fledged seinen titles. it literally same production behind the fable LA, which also another morning title. again Your attempts to justify "it's not true male demographic title" are simply ridiculous. it's published in male demographic label even if it does business attempt at variety, it still a conscious decision by editor to put them on male demographic title and not just formality because they think it would sell better in there rather than Female demographic label under same editorial.

Kuma said:
wow that casual homophobia and sexism, dang, as expected of MAL. this is NOT the first time BL title won male category awards. that honor goes to what did you eat yesterday?. while i am not into BL genre either (often too fetishy for me, horror thriller is not my preference either), watching this manga sales growth and pointed out it's a seinen title always has been amusing to see. this sales number can not be supported by fujoshi alone. seems like the fact that male demographic in japan welcomed stuff they didn't expect hurt their ego.

RobertBobert said:
Kageki Shoujo even talked about it directly, explaining why the first volume of the manga was published in seinen magazine and only then transferred to shoujo.

RobertBobert said:


Again, I'm not going to give in to your bait just because you don't know when to stop and argue just for the sake of arguing. You literally dive deeper and deeper into the most terrible sophistry, trying to justify no one's hidden female-targeted work just because it is published in a magazine that has a male tag. This is nonsense, you are literally trying to cling to any hope, even if it is formal only to argue. This is not some kind of "special knowledge", seinen often serves as a magazine for a general audience, because such a tag is easier to sell than publishing work in female magazines. Author of Kageki Shoujo even talked about it directly, explaining why the first volume of the manga was published in seinen magazine and only then transferred to shoujo.

Kuma said:
my point is that there are NOTHING HIDDEN here. THERE ARE more female oriented works but those are still conscious decision by editorial to attract more reader to their magazine and doesn't make them any less male demographic label. it's intended purpose to attract more wide variety audience. this is how it works in any magazine that want more general audience.

heck, even weekly shounen jump did this. Gintama and Prince of Tennis explicitly stated they have higher female fans, but nobody called them a shoujo series. shoujo-like series maybe, but not shoujo. same case apply to the summer hikaru died. it is still editorial choice to put them under male demographic, even if it's just business move. you get the logic reversed, it's not publisher want to save the series, but they want more people attracted to magazine because said series. they are doing it on purpose to promote the magazine, NOT to promote the series, otherwise it would be fine to just put in under female label. same case also happen with female label to lesser degree.

that's why you are being nonsense. kageki shoujo is NOT transferred, it's literally restarted and changed publication label all together from shueisha to hakusensha. the first series was cancelled due to magazine where it originally published terminated. but it still the case i mentioned above where the magazine it originally published (Jump Kai) want appeal to wider audience (even in the end doesn't save magazine).

here another example case where stuff like this happen, this time the series is Otome Kaiju Caramelize from Comic Alive. notice it's editorial is the one that insist for her to keep drawing shoujo manga and reject author idea to make it more appeal to guys. they explicitly want something that isn't magazine like

RobertBobert said:


Then why did you start mocking him just because BL scares him away from work?



Depending on the context in which to speak. If about BL as an official genre - perhaps. But broadly speaking, it just doesn't matter. This is still a male queer work with a queer protagonist that will attract and repel certain audiences. And these are not otokonoko works that, at least in theory, are aimed at a male audience.

Luisito14 said:



You don t make the question for me, but I will answer. Because this is homophobia. You can say the excuse you want for that, if it makes you feel better, but don t changes the fact this is homophobia.

RobertBobert said:


Are you now literally and non-ironically saying that your lack of interest in gay content makes you a homophobe? So, are people who ignore straight content finally legally heterophobic?

Luisito14 said:



And how many times did you see someone refuses read/watch a good story only becauses it s straight? I am sure wasn t that much. In same time, I all the time see people don t read/watch a story only because "bruh, it s gay, bruh" and I am forced to have to read any excuse they give, to try justify a thing that is obvious homophobia.

RobertBobert said:


You did not answer my question. And yes, I see people complaining about straight content all the time, especially if they were expecting something gay. To the
point where I still remember one dude refusing to watch Bloom into you after learning that Yuu's sister was in a relationship with a man.

Luisito14 said:



Maybe they could be considered heterophobics. I already see people who are tired of this idea of heterosexuality that is the only way to live, to try force on us since always. But yes, the answer is yes.

RobertBobert said:


Tired of heterosexuality? How? In any case, developing the theme, do you think that all straight anime fans should be forced into gay content, otherwise they will be considered homophobic?

Luisito14 said:



Tired of see hetero relantionships all the time. Yes, I think. We are forced to see straight relantionships all the time, why straights can t, sometimes, watch a gay story? Although, judging by your profile, queer and same-sex relantionships only are a problem when is a male, right? After all, a male HAS to be straight in a story, right?

RobertBobert said:


Do I understand correctly that you yourself are trying to justify heterophobes by saying that they are "just tired of heterosexuality", but at the same time openly trying to shame homophobes? Why can't some "tired of homosexuality" by this logic work with them?

RobertBobert said:


Are you now complaining non-ironically that most people are straight and not interested in gay content other than fanservice material with opposite sex characters? And to expand on the topic, should heterophobes likewise be forced to watch straight content?

Luisito14 said:



I will explain. Some gay people are tired of heterosexuality, because it s only what we see everywhere. It s only what it s teached us since kids, it s only what we see in any media, all the time. We rarely has stories next our reality, in the opposite with that, we are teached that if we won t straights, we are wrong, we are the worst thing on Earth. In fact, I saw a post about this yesterday, from a youtuber from here. Straight relationship are in all the places, in all the medias, even in that not about romance. In the opposite, gay relantionships are just growing up now, there is not so much of them, in comparation. Tired of gay? Honestly, how many times a straight refers to gay if don t to say it s a bad thing? How many times a straight don t considered gay a bad thing? Personally, is this what I am tired, is this what I want to finish. I am tired to be considered a bad thing.

RobertBobert said:


Do you seriously not realize that "who is more - who is less" is blatantly childish thinking, which does not affect the fact that accusing those who are not interested in gay fiction or complaining that the world around you is straight is sheer nonsense? Developing the theme, does the lack of interest in shows about Jews mean anti-Semitism, shows about POC people racism, shows about characters of the opposite sex or gender identity - sexism and transphobia? And, accordingly, people need to be forced to watch all this through force, otherwise they will legally be perceived by moral guards as intolerant bigots?

Luisito14 said:



Look, I try to explain to you, you clearly don t want to understand. People should be more open to things out of their reality, is this. In my opinion, this would be a way to change the world. I won t answer you anymore, I am only losing my time here. Goodbye, and have a nice life.

Swagernator said:

Its more about the fact that the middle aged cat ladies have all the time to vote for their favorite manga, rather than 14 years old boys who need to clean their room and finish their homework first.

Not to mention the buying potential of a working person, against someone whos still in a middle/high school with no income to spend.

RobertBobert said:
Then you don't realize how much you are complicating yourself and trying to challenge things that were never a problem. Certain seinen magazines have been used for years to publish overly specific shoujo manga in the hope of appealing to a female audience that you can't reach in a normal shoujo magazine (just don't say you've never heard of the modern migration of demographics between manga magazines). Trying to dispute this somehow, you are just fighting windmills. Probably because it's too personal for you to admit that BL-like work has never appealed to a male audience outside of formal publication in a men's magazine.

I'm sorry, but the way you argue for the sake of an argument, take words out of context, or generally find fault with words, only confirm what I said.