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Nov 17, 2010 11:53 AM

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Smokes, or 'Save Aizen Ark' xD xD. Now i'm laughing hard, ha ha.
Nov 17, 2010 12:01 PM

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Kubo, cut the bullshit and bring on the story, hun!!!
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Not to mention that we would fianlly see the water powers of suigetsu, because Ichigo's personality would make the sword gain some more direct, close-combat powers.

lolwut. Have you been paying any attention to this manga? Kyouka Suigetsu doesn't have water powers. It was an illusion set up by Aizen so he could be part of the Gotei 13. Suigetsu = illusions. In no way does it = water.



Yes but his name suggests that the sword itself is water-element-based weapon(his sword name dirrectly translates as Mirror Flower Water Moon).

It does not matter how aizen used sword or what illusion he has shown. That was fitting for his personality - apower based on deception and stealth.

In ichigo's handle, the sword would get a more direct type of powers, according to ichigo's confrontational personality. Due to the sword name, it woul dmost likely be something water based.
Nov 17, 2010 12:12 PM

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Well, i read the chapter 2 minutes ago and i love it! i'm excited about the future ones ^.^
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Fai said:
people are getting ridiculous:

Aizen gets defeated in three chapters = people complain.
We get no background on characters - people complain
We get extensive set up and backgroun don characters = people complain.
kuybo takes his time of setting stuff up = people complain.



Yes I know, maybe for some people this looks "omg boring", but frankly this way of setting up stuff and slowly reaching the scenes and conclusions is way better than naruto's current "lets resurrect everyone and do some stuff every fanboy/girl will be fawning over" type of story.
Yea I know rite why resurrected them WHEN THEY HAVEN'T BEEN KILLLED OF IN THE FIRST PLACE.
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I'm actually interested to see what happens next, but waiting each week is going to be annoying = /
Nov 17, 2010 1:03 PM

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Karin's going to be involved too??? well...that'll be interesting to see:0 What's the hell arc?
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KantonKageX said:
Fai said:
Yes I know, maybe for some people this looks "omg boring", but frankly this way of setting up stuff and slowly reaching the scenes and conclusions is way better than naruto's current "lets resurrect everyone and do some stuff every fanboy/girl will be fawning over" type of story.
Yea I know rite why resurrected them WHEN THEY HAVEN'T BEEN KILLLED OF IN THE FIRST PLACE.
I think you missed his point "a bit", but reading your response was funny.
Nov 17, 2010 1:14 PM

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just nice to see jinta and ururu after some 2xx chapters. nothing more. ok chapter though.
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lets just hope this wont turn into another save the damsel in distress arc...
Nov 17, 2010 1:37 PM

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KantonKageX said:
Fai said:
people are getting ridiculous:

Aizen gets defeated in three chapters = people complain.
We get no background on characters - people complain
We get extensive set up and backgroun don characters = people complain.
kuybo takes his time of setting stuff up = people complain.



Yes I know, maybe for some people this looks "omg boring", but frankly this way of setting up stuff and slowly reaching the scenes and conclusions is way better than naruto's current "lets resurrect everyone and do some stuff every fanboy/girl will be fawning over" type of story.
Yea I know rite why resurrected them WHEN THEY HAVEN'T BEEN KILLLED OF IN THE FIRST PLACE.


I'd take almost no deaths per entire mang type of setup, and making the would-be-deaths actually COUNT and be permanent, than having the mangaka kill off characters in every fight with most stupi dof excuses and the most character-degrading flashbacks, JUST to resurrect them again, once he feels that his fanbase is slipping fast, due to the less than likeable villain he tries to push as final and the utterly shallow pacifistic philosophy to cash in onto the fans that like them.

At this point of Naruto, I fuly expect Jiraya to pop up and reveal that he did not really die, oh and Sarutobi too, Everyone, lets revive everyone in the end and make them live in utopia.


Im sorry, but I would take NO deaths at all over that sort of stuff.
Nov 17, 2010 2:02 PM

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I'm glad Kubo is working Karin into the story, I always found her interesting.
Lets hope she doesn't get kidnapped..
Nov 17, 2010 2:16 PM

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the reiatsu was Ichigo losing the substitute shinigami batch. this is all too predictable though..... Aizen knowing all that about Ichigo and Isshin interrupting right before Aizen said much back during their fight. Isshin isn't his father blah blah. I don't really like where this is going and so far this arc is really boring.

Ichigo didn't even ask questions before well maybe he will now.
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Fai said:
KantonKageX said:
Fai said:
people are getting ridiculous:

Aizen gets defeated in three chapters = people complain.
We get no background on characters - people complain
We get extensive set up and backgroun don characters = people complain.
kuybo takes his time of setting stuff up = people complain.



Yes I know, maybe for some people this looks "omg boring", but frankly this way of setting up stuff and slowly reaching the scenes and conclusions is way better than naruto's current "lets resurrect everyone and do some stuff every fanboy/girl will be fawning over" type of story.
Yea I know rite why resurrected them WHEN THEY HAVEN'T BEEN KILLLED OF IN THE FIRST PLACE.


I'd take almost no deaths per entire mang type of setup, and making the would-be-deaths actually COUNT and be permanent, than having the mangaka kill off characters in every fight with most stupi dof excuses and the most character-degrading flashbacks, JUST to resurrect them again, once he feels that his fanbase is slipping fast, due to the less than likeable villain he tries to push as final and the utterly shallow pacifistic philosophy to cash in onto the fans that like them.

At this point of Naruto, I fuly expect Jiraya to pop up and reveal that he did not really die, oh and Sarutobi too, Everyone, lets revive everyone in the end and make them live in utopia.


Im sorry, but I would take NO deaths at all over that sort of stuff.
That means not how deep the "fatal" wound a good guy get don't worry about it they won't die. Even if they get their head cut off.
Nov 17, 2010 2:21 PM
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Honestly bleach is getting pretty stupid right now, and wow spoiler now we gotta find out more about ichigo's family?

DAmn more mystery ;P

Nov 17, 2010 2:41 PM

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Seemed ok in the start(continuing from where we left) But somehow the atmosphere got epic in the last! :O



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Last 5 pages or so was the main plot driver. Looks like Ichigo is regaining his reiatsu somehow and his dad might be connected to that. Karin walking into Urahara's shop was unexpected though.
Nov 17, 2010 2:58 PM

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Fai is so insecure about Bleach that he always has to bring Naruto into the discussion. Just because you think Naruto sucks doesn't mean Bleach is good.

That being said, I enjoyed this chapter. I like the banter between Ichigo and the new guy.
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Last 5 pages or so was the main plot driver. Looks like Ichigo is regaining his reiatsu somehow and his dad might be connected to that. Karin walking into Urahara's shop was unexpected though.


Actually this got me thinking...


1. Is it actually reiatsu or some sort of higher level spiritual power as result of mugetsu? MAybe Ichigo IS still evolving as result of mugetsu. he traded his shinigami and hollow powers for something higher?
2. How did Karin know of Urahara. Its quite obvious Ichigo never told about him. And Urahara was way too serious for someone he met the first time. That alongside the "you know nothing about your family" part is ominous.
Nov 17, 2010 3:22 PM

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Ok now this all makes sense... Why such powerful forsaken shinigami are hiding there, why the town is the most spiritually powered, why ichigo only human became more powerful then any shinigami in the sereate can imagine, why they haven't been found, why they dare not attack knowing where they are, why they never seem to age, why only now do they now, how many other worlds exist, why the seriate is the only apparent place in a world of the never dieing dead, why ichigo's mother is died, a lot about shinigami fake body's/real body's, and what is ichigo's favorite treat... O and quincys.

Now I gained that much information from about 7 lines in 20 pages. Stop and think about it and you'll realize them all as well. They just ended a 420 chapter God-Arc I would hope they would slow down and restart the situation, if they didn't you'd freak out from confusion or just enjoy the fighting cause that's all your reading it for then.
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Nov 17, 2010 3:23 PM

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God, stop complaining.
This chapter wasn't PERFECT, but it was okay nonetheless.
Unlike the the two previous ones.
My prediction is that...
Nov 17, 2010 3:30 PM

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If the whole ramen and chocolate dialogue part was supposed to be funny then it wasn't, for me anyway.
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Fai said:
people are getting ridiculous:

Aizen gets defeated in three chapters = people complain.
We get no background on characters - people complain
We get extensive set up and backgroun don characters = people complain.
kuybo takes his time of setting stuff up = people complain.

Yes I know, maybe for some people this looks "omg boring", but frankly this way of setting up stuff and slowly reaching the scenes and conclusions is way better than naruto's current "lets resurrect everyone and do some stuff every fanboy/girl will be fawning over" type of story.


I get annoyed by Bleach's Namek arcs and stuff and I think Naruto is pretty decent nowadays (maybe because I stopped taking it seriously), yet I couldn't agree more.
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It was ok. I was glad that I could see Jinta and Ururu growing up. I bet Urahara will make Karin a shinigami and the ramen guy will help Ichigo get his reiatsu back.
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there is nothing to complain about the art of bleach, character design is topnotch, if you compare it to one piece and naruto, bleach is still the best if were talking about the art.


actually bleach has the worst art form all the shounen manga out there..

just give some examples where the art is good in bleach ?

especially the character design =)

even fairy tail or KHR art is way more better than this


Actually not, amongst the shonen shows Bleach is considered to have one of the best characters designs, one of the few redeeming features of the manga, and I strongly agree even with all it's faults I always liked Kubo's designs.

And you can't really compare normal manga artwork with one piece, one piece it's kind of it's own thing :P
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Well, I've admittedly been a little sad about how this story was progressing, but I see a lot of potential in this chapter. Combined with the other chapters, I think that this dark figure is really being under appreciated. He's got that 'next big baddie's minion' aura, and I really wasn't expecting the manga to just end with Aizen getting captured. (I mean COME ON, Ichi is the main character. We all knew Ichigo was going to get his powers back from the moment we heard he was going to lose them. It's the journey that'll be fun)

Ichigo has taken a lot of soul society up at face value until now, but one has to wonder, with someone so intelligent as Aizen, was his reason for wanting to overthrow the Spirit King/Emperor or whatever legitimate? I think that that part of the story will end up just being a smaller part of a whole that shows that Aizen may not have been innocent, but what he wanted was actually the lesser of two evils.
At the same time, he may still just have been crazy.

Karin will be a shinigami, although I don't see that happening with the other younger sister. A key element to the time skip has to be the characters aging. I mean, aging happens differently on earth than in soul society, so who really knows how quickly Human Shinigami could progress as compared to already dead ones? Perhaps that is the reason Ichi progressed so quickly, besides his parentage... If his father is even who he thinks it is...

I don't doubt that Ichigo's father is a shinigami, but I wouldn't be too quick to say that we've necessarily met him yet. Think about it, he looks nothing like his old man, but both his sisters do. Also, where did his red hair come from? It's called BLEACH, and the interpretation of that can be on so many levels. Perhaps it's to do with Ichi's hair colour and how that relates to his parentage. ... ... ...

I wouldn't actually be that surprised if this emperor/king guy was his father.

In any case this chapter was actually my favorite so far. I want to get a hold of the raws though, because I think that the translation is a little lackluster. In fact, I think perhaps a thing or two have been mistranslated, which could add to people complaining about how this chapter doesn't make much sense. Even simple phrases when translated differently can completely change what the authour originally intended. :/ Mostly, I think the part that Ishida said may have been a little awkwardly translated. I'm going to go check that out.
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I see a lot of potential. It has been a long time since a Bleach chapter was this intriguing. Introducing new plot elements and demolishing what we previously knew is definitely going to bring this series back from being crappy.

Good chapter (after a loooong time).
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Actually not, amongst the shonen shows Bleach is considered to have one of the best characters designs, one of the few redeeming features of the manga, and I strongly agree even with all it's faults I always liked Kubo's designs.



I agree, I find the character design/development probably one of the best things about bleach, his characters are so realistically developed too. Probably the character that most people get annoyed at is Orihime. But in all reality, she really is a helpless, real character, and the fact that she's always striving to become stronger and her will to help is really admirable. Not everyone has to be a hero/heroine, and I enjoy that about Kubo's characters.
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Soulstrider said:
smokes said:
nijlpaard87 said:
there is nothing to complain about the art of bleach, character design is topnotch, if you compare it to one piece and naruto, bleach is still the best if were talking about the art.


actually bleach has the worst art form all the shounen manga out there..

just give some examples where the art is good in bleach ?

especially the character design =)

even fairy tail or KHR art is way more better than this


Actually not, amongst the shonen shows Bleach is considered to have one of the best characters designs, one of the few redeeming features of the manga, and I strongly agree even with all it's faults I always liked Kubo's designs.

And you can't really compare normal manga artwork with one piece, one piece it's kind of it's own thing :P


It used to be good, but it's just recycling mostly now. One Piece characters > Bleach by a lot. Having said that, Kubo *is* good at drawing his characters. Too bad there's no background and the action scenes are kinda lame
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Fai said:
ChronosXIII said:
Last 5 pages or so was the main plot driver. Looks like Ichigo is regaining his reiatsu somehow and his dad might be connected to that. Karin walking into Urahara's shop was unexpected though.


Actually this got me thinking...


1. Is it actually reiatsu or some sort of higher level spiritual power as result of mugetsu? MAybe Ichigo IS still evolving as result of mugetsu. he traded his shinigami and hollow powers for something higher?
2. How did Karin know of Urahara. Its quite obvious Ichigo never told about him. And Urahara was way too serious for someone he met the first time. That alongside the "you know nothing about your family" part is ominous.

Wait a second...I just noticed a Gon- Ichigo connection! I can't believe I didn't notice that till now...
Anyway, I don't think that reiatsu is ichigo himself. I think it was the shinigami badge.
Nov 17, 2010 5:21 PM

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im not complaining its good chapter for me

tatsuki and karin might become shinigami lol
Nov 17, 2010 5:26 PM

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First of all it's about damn time Tite Kubo has Karin really catch on to all of this. It really bothers me whenever Kubo gives off a reveal or foreshadow about a character at one point and then doesn't explain it for another couple hundred chapters, especially with his pacing of telling the story thorugh panels. Case in point, we don't find out how Shinji was able to stand with the bottle upside down in the beginning of the arrancar arc until towards the end of the battle at Fake Karakura town about 390 chapters later. And in this case, we don't get to see Karin have anything to do with what Ichigo had to go through until this chapter. Now what I wanna know is when is Tatsuki is going to say anything about Ichigo and if we're ever going to hear anything from Nel and the others again.

And I gotta say, Ururu looks kinda cute after a year-in-a-half. She looks slightly, maturely feminine in a strange kind of way. And of course Jinta is... well, Jinta still. Also why on earth is Ichigo overreacting?! It feels so unneccesary! So the guy knows your dad. I get the need to feel suspicious, but jeez!
Nov 17, 2010 5:36 PM

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This chapter was meh, nothing exciting, but I think its slowly starting to go somewhere.
The whole ramen bit pissed me off.
Nov 17, 2010 6:16 PM

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Is this the right time to say..."I told you soooo!"

This chapter finally proves that this arc will discuss Ichigo's family...for all the people who challenged me, and deterred my opinions during the last few weeks; please bear witness my awesomeness, and bragging rights XD >:)

Btw, have to agree with the majority, that this chapter sucked, at least until the last 3 pages, especially pace-wise. I hope Kubo speeds this up soon, or else we might have another arrancar arc on our hands. It was quite nice to see Urahaha, and highschool Ururu, but no Yoruichi :(.
I wonder, did Kubo kill off Chad? If so, it's a mixed blessing. Chad was weak as hell, but had a badass power setup, that Kubo can make even more badass.
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im not complaining its good chapter for me

tatsuki and karin might become shinigami lol


Lol, in Karin's case, we'll have a female version of Ichigo, but absolutely boring.
In Tatsuki's case, she'll be better as one of the support people with powers, such as Chad, Inoue, and Ishida rather than an actual shinigami.
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I seem to be one of the minority, but I admit I'm actually kind of liking this. Reminds me of Bleach's early days. Also seeing all these characters that we haven't seen in a while. I'm hoping Karin will play a bigger role. This arc could get interesting. *trying to be optimistic*
Nov 17, 2010 6:49 PM

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I'm actually sort of liking it so far (then again I read this with little to no expectations so), as long as some shit actually goes down next chapter.
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Ok now this all makes sense... Why such powerful forsaken shinigami are hiding there, why the town is the most spiritually powered, why ichigo only human became more powerful then any shinigami in the sereate can imagine, why they haven't been found, why they dare not attack knowing where they are, why they never seem to age, why only now do they now, how many other worlds exist, why the seriate is the only apparent place in a world of the never dieing dead, why ichigo's mother is died, a lot about shinigami fake body's/real body's, and what is ichigo's favorite treat... O and quincys.

Now I gained that much information from about 7 lines in 20 pages. Stop and think about it and you'll realize them all as well. They just ended a 420 chapter God-Arc I would hope they would slow down and restart the situation, if they didn't you'd freak out from confusion or just enjoy the fighting cause that's all your reading it for then.


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Anyway, I don't think that reiatsu is ichigo himself. I think it was the shinigami badge.


the bagde that "wasn't there" until awhile ago? Hmmm

At leat i know ichigo likes chocolate (:

Anyway, i think the chapters actually pretty decent at its current pace, i'm really excited to see the kurosaki development (and chad's apperance) and if we ever see the soul society again. and im willing to get some questions answered. like the reiaitsu thingy.
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i wonder where chad is and i'm hoping that ichigo gets his power back but if he doesn't well it will be a shame. The chapter was okay and i haven't seen chad since the wakomundo hoping karin wil get shinigami powers that could prove to be interesting.
Nov 17, 2010 9:27 PM

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I also like Bleach's art - the main reason why I've stuck with Bleach,

Anyway - I hope all this shit going on in this chapter will lead to something big.
Nov 17, 2010 9:50 PM

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So.. basically the only good thing in the chapter was a pannel with Karin in it.. sigh with so many wasted pages on personal food likes and dislikes.. Can we just give Ichigo his power back have the final battle and end the manga please >.>
Nov 17, 2010 10:26 PM

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AHAHAHAHAHAHA Jinta is a yankee-wannabe!!
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Nov 17, 2010 11:50 PM

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doesn't this ramen guy remind you of Crocodile from one piece ? O_o
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amongst the shonen shows Bleach is considered to have one of the best characters designs


ok GIVE examples.

character design is Unique, thats why everyone loves bleach but the ART is not good

actually the art is the worse from all the shounen stuff.. mostly cause Kubo is lazy drawing..

check the Bleach examples


onepeice examples

fairy tail examples
Nov 18, 2010 3:04 AM

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Sooo..... slow... and so many mysteries :o I wonder what's going to happen
Nov 18, 2010 3:07 AM

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SO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS!!!

I really love Karen's new along with Jinta and Ururus. <3
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It wasn't so bad, considering the previous chapters. I like the way where this "story" is heading to.

More Ichigo & Isshin hottness can't be bad.
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Why isn't this getting interesting? :/
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Fai said:
ChronosXIII said:
Last 5 pages or so was the main plot driver. Looks like Ichigo is regaining his reiatsu somehow and his dad might be connected to that. Karin walking into Urahara's shop was unexpected though.


Actually this got me thinking...


1. Is it actually reiatsu or some sort of higher level spiritual power as result of mugetsu? MAybe Ichigo IS still evolving as result of mugetsu. he traded his shinigami and hollow powers for something higher?
2. How did Karin know of Urahara. Its quite obvious Ichigo never told about him. And Urahara was way too serious for someone he met the first time. That alongside the "you know nothing about your family" part is ominous.


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smokes said:
Soulstrider said:
amongst the shonen shows Bleach is considered to have one of the best characters designs


ok GIVE examples.

character design is Unique, thats why everyone loves bleach but the ART is not good

actually the art is the worse from all the shounen stuff.. mostly cause Kubo is lazy drawing..

check the Bleach examples


onepeice examples

fairy tail examples


Lot's of things in a page doesn't necessarily mean better art,bleach's blank pages are blank not because he is lazy but because it is is style, I actually really like the use of blank spaces because it gives a cleaner and solid look, sometimes when a mangaka tries to put a lot into is pages things turn out to be a mess, look at D-Gray Man for example.
About the design as I said One Piece it is own thing, it doesn't feel right compare with the the rest of them, but in my personal opinion One Pieces drawing don't deserve the praise they get , sure they have a very unique look but unique doesn't necessarily mean good, but as I said that's just my personal opinion and by no mean I am trying to say they are bad, they are good just not really that good.
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