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Sep 18, 2010 7:16 PM
#501
| It may have felt like fanservice in lots and lots of parts, but still I find this twisted and much darker plot was very intriguing to watch. And I think this more perverted and weird atmosphere of the 2nd season fits more the definition of a demon. Demons aren't supposed to be soft or polite etc. So I think this season got closer to what a demon should be like. Plus although I adore Sebastian so much I can't describe, I loved how his perfect image was somewhat spoilled and also he revealed more of his true self and motives. |
Sep 18, 2010 7:19 PM
#502
JusticeUndone said: It may have felt like fanservice in lots and lots of parts, but still I find this twisted and much darker plot was very intriguing to watch. And I think this more perverted and weird atmosphere of the 2nd season fits more the definition of a demon. Demons aren't supposed to be soft or polite etc. So I think this season got closer to what a demon should be like. Plus although I adore Sebastian so much I can't describe, I loved how his perfect image was somewhat spoilled and also he revealed more of his true self and motives. Amen to THAT. |
Sep 18, 2010 7:47 PM
#503
| Well we surely didn't see this coming. I mean in the end Team Trancy won, and who could have ever guessed that since the story is about Ciel and Sebastian? But it's so nice to see Ciel smiling now that he has a prospect of life, and I keep saying that Sebastian will get over the shock of not devouring his soul. He probably will never stand the fact that he has to baby-sit an eternal 13 year old brat, but well... he'll cheer up one way or another. |
Sep 18, 2010 7:50 PM
#504
| How many ovas plot do we know? There's the one about William and Grell, Ciel in Wonderland, the one behind the scenes, the little scenes of love at the Phantomhive estate... am I forgetting about something? Because if these are the only ones we know about, it means the last two will be about Ciel and Sebastian's life as demons, and about the Trancy family nirvana. |
Sep 18, 2010 7:57 PM
#505
Lind_L_Tailor said: ![]() The ending was more incomprehensible than the first season's. You know, I've just realised what this series is. It's a fanfic. A really, really bad fanfic. It's excuse to have all the characters do a bunch more things, it's even more slashy than the first season, loads of people are out of character, it contradicts canon... seriously. It's a dead ringer for a fanfic. Agreed. |
Sep 18, 2010 8:04 PM
#506
| I feel bad for Sebastian cuz he didn't get to eat Ciel but in a sense of way... Im a bit happy that Sebastian and Ciel would be with each other forever |
Sep 18, 2010 8:07 PM
#507
| I totally lol'd at Sebastians' face after saying he has to stay as Ciel's butler for the rest of his life. FML right thar xD It was a meh for me. The only real good thing I got outta this was seeing Alois again <3 Welp, back to the fanfics. -zooms away- |
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Sep 18, 2010 8:29 PM
#508
Lind_L_Tailor said: ![]() The ending was more incomprehensible than the first season's. You know, I've just realised what this series is. It's a fanfic. A really, really bad fanfic. It's excuse to have all the characters do a bunch more things, it's even more slashy than the first season, loads of people are out of character, it contradicts canon... seriously. It's a dead ringer for a fanfic. That picture pretty much explains my face at the end. Seriously agreed. But, hey! Sebastian finally got Ciel to cuddle with him... even though Sebastian most likely hates everyone now. |
SakariiSep 18, 2010 8:32 PM
Sep 18, 2010 8:49 PM
#509
JusticeUndone said: Completely agree. Never would have imagined Sebastian injuring Ciel like that, just out of anger/shock.It may have felt like fanservice in lots and lots of parts, but still I find this twisted and much darker plot was very intriguing to watch. And I think this more perverted and weird atmosphere of the 2nd season fits more the definition of a demon. Demons aren't supposed to be soft or polite etc. So I think this season got closer to what a demon should be like. Plus although I adore Sebastian so much I can't describe, I loved how his perfect image was somewhat spoilled and also he revealed more of his true self and motives. Starting from episode 1, every episode was unpredictable. This is the very reason why this show gets a 10/10 from me. It does have flaws like Claude being out of character in episode 10 and the whole deal of Ran Mao and Lau not being dead. Did Ciel order Sebastian to kill Ran Mao and Lau? Does anyone remember? |
Sep 18, 2010 9:15 PM
#510
| Wow...just..wow. Ciel turning into a demon, Hannah falling into the sea (and surviving that, but dying later), Ciel's demon eye appears when him and Elizabeth were dancing Sebastian being Ciel's butler forever ,and telling everyone else (expect for the servants and Elizabeth) that Ciel is dead were wtf moments for me. They didn't even say where they were actually going '-'... But I do have to agree, the ending was pretty disappointing in most parts. But at least there will be 6 OVAs coming out, so its not actually "The End" of the series. Did anyone else notice that there was no tea that poured into the cup, but only the scent? I was like "Wha...but there's no tea. Why are you drinking the scent of the tea, but not the liquid?! What does this even mean?!" |
Neko123Sep 18, 2010 9:34 PM
Sep 18, 2010 10:46 PM
#511
| Okay then. Umm, I love Kuroshitsuji and I'm really sad it's ending. Unfortunately this show is absolutely ridiculous. |
Sep 18, 2010 11:36 PM
#512
Sep 19, 2010 12:11 AM
#513
Lind_L_Tailor said: ![]() The ending was more incomprehensible than the first season's. You know, I've just realised what this series is. It's a fanfic. A really, really bad fanfic. It's excuse to have all the characters do a bunch more things, it's even more slashy than the first season, loads of people are out of character, it contradicts canon... seriously. It's a dead ringer for a fanfic. Amen, BROTHER |
Sep 19, 2010 4:40 AM
#514
_Kanon said: Lind_L_Tailor said: ![]() The ending was more incomprehensible than the first season's. You know, I've just realised what this series is. It's a fanfic. A really, really bad fanfic. It's excuse to have all the characters do a bunch more things, it's even more slashy than the first season, loads of people are out of character, it contradicts canon... seriously. It's a dead ringer for a fanfic. Agreed. Agreed.x2 |
Sep 19, 2010 4:45 AM
#515
Zeino said: _Kanon said: Lind_L_Tailor said: ![]() The ending was more incomprehensible than the first season's. You know, I've just realised what this series is. It's a fanfic. A really, really bad fanfic. It's excuse to have all the characters do a bunch more things, it's even more slashy than the first season, loads of people are out of character, it contradicts canon... seriously. It's a dead ringer for a fanfic. Agreed. Agreed.x2 triple agree |
Sep 19, 2010 6:11 AM
#516
| .......wow. I thought of that ending a few weeks ago, but to think they actually did it......damn. Revenge is a bitch lol So, my summary: "Let's have a demon duel with the sword Hannah hides in her stomach!" "Um, ok!" Claude death (I thought it was funny that he wanted his glasses at the end). "Yay, look Ciel, Claude acknowledged me! (btw, ur gonna be reborn a demon)" "What was that?" "Oh nothing *whistles*" Alois death. "Because Alois is a spiteful little brat, you never get to eat Ciel's soul :D" "WUT?????!!!!!" *rushes to kill him before he wakes up* AWW HELL NO!" "I r evul demon. You amz butlerz. Servez me for all eternityz." "Yes my lord." THE END Honestly the ending made me sad, Sebastian looks so miserable. But it was a knockout, cuz there's no way I thought they'd do this. + to favorites. Too bad it's over. Now I'll just have to console myself with Shiki. |
Sep 19, 2010 7:03 AM
#517
| I liked the episode and everytime an anime I am hooked on ends, I get sad (thank gackt there is the extras)! It was good, but I think kuroshitsuji 2 deserves a better ending... It should have been a bit longer, now I was "Eeeeh?? What? say that again!". Everything was happening too fast. Nothing made sense and Ciel turning to a demon, that is just like from a fanfic... It was a good episode of a really good anime... A good ending? Not really, no... |
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Sep 19, 2010 8:20 AM
#518
| who will guard the queen if the spider and the dog have died :p |
Sep 19, 2010 8:30 AM
#519
| Noooo it ended already?? ;_____; It deserved to be longer than this Anyways, WOW. Seriously a demon Ciel? Really? & Poor Sebby having to be a butler for eternity rofl. But I guess we like him like that anyways :P & Glad Claude & Hannah are gone > hated them ~_~ But nooo my Alois died! TT^TT Overall really good 2nd season :DDD Maybe a 3rd season coming along perhaps?? |
Sep 19, 2010 10:57 AM
#520
| Does anyone know what the dvd will contain? The episodes, the ova and...? Are there any extras? Oh, and are there english subtitles? |
Sep 19, 2010 11:58 AM
#521
ch2174 said: who will guard the queen if the spider and the dog have died :p Queen died in season 1 remember? |
Sep 19, 2010 2:37 PM
#522
Linalee-Stratos said: JusticeUndone said: Starting from episode 1, every episode was unpredictable. This is the very reason why this show gets a 10/10 from me. It does have flaws like Claude being out of character in episode 10 and the whole deal of Ran Mao and Lau not being dead. Did Ciel order Sebastian to kill Ran Mao and Lau? Does anyone remember? I agree that it has many flaws, as season 1 had too.. but the whole essense of it is so captivating that I just can't ignore that and focus on flaws. And I also agree that I love this about this series that it was always so unpredictable and surprising. Actually I rewatched that episode in season 1 and we never see Lau or Ran Mao dead, Lau was only injured. And now we saw Ciel, after remembering everything, letting them live. |
Sep 19, 2010 4:15 PM
#523
| I'm reading a lot about how people are confused as to how Sebastian can make a contract w/ demon Ciel. Well I was a bit confused too, but think of it this way: Two humans can have a mutual agreement (or contract) with each other, right? So why can't demons? As to why they had a contract, it was probably one of the conditions of when Ciel was revived. (probably) Anyway, I actually enjoyed the ending~ Though I'm sad that Season 2 JUST started and it's already over ;A; It went by way to quickly!! All that anticipation and we get 12 episodes....thanks. |
Sep 19, 2010 4:24 PM
#524
| Wow...this season was pretty much a jumbled mess of nothing... It was kind of sad to see Claude die, I really liked his character even though most didn't. Who knows there will probably be a season 3 where he is mysteriously alive again...and poor Sebastian, having to serve bratty Ciel for eternity...lol |
Infinite-VoidSep 19, 2010 4:28 PM
Sep 19, 2010 6:35 PM
#525
| Honestly, the ending made me feel that Ciel is an ass. But I guess it was an interesting twist and just wonderful for all the CielXSebastian fans, I didn't like it though. I really just wanted Ciels soul to get eaten by Sebastian. This ending makes me feel that there shouldn't have even been a second season in the first place. As for a third season, nothanks unless the servants from the mansion come back. (along with Tanaka, ofc.) |
Sep 19, 2010 6:40 PM
#526
| I preferred this over the manga currently. The circus arc was cool, but then we get this detective bull shit that tries to make ciel seem like he should be sympathized with dispite all the shit he pulled in the circus arc. THis on the other hand focuses on the fact that the demons are bastards, which is established in the source... Then it shows ciel getting his revenge on the bastard demon. After spending so much time making 2 children miserable just to get ones soul...he instead gets slapped in the face and gets told "No soul for you!". I think that goes a lot better than a murder mystery that goes nowhere plot wise. Or Character development wise... or anything. |
Sep 19, 2010 6:55 PM
#527
| Wow! What a creative ending! Didn't see THAT ONE coming... If they were going for the unexpected, they definitely succeeded. I just don't know what to think... I think that they totally catered to the CielxSebastian fanbase. I mean Ciel and Sebastian together for eternity? lol Why did Ciel do that? Does he really care for Sebastian or is he just using him? Is Sebastian happy? Or did he truly only want Ciel for his soul? You know there is no show if they aren't together. This way the show can go on forever... in a weird twisted way! lol Season 3? Yes! I would be excited. They can make contracts and eat souls together. (I honestly thought Ciel was going to make a contract with Elizabeth.) It would be cool to see Sebastian train Ciel and show him how to be a demon. |
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Sep 19, 2010 6:55 PM
#528
| Wow! What a creative ending! Didn't see THAT ONE coming... If they were going for the unexpected, they definitely succeeded. I just don't know what to think... I think that they totally catered to the CielxSebastian fanbase. I mean Ciel and Sebastian together for eternity? lol Why did Ciel do that? Does he really care for Sebastian or is he just using him? Is Sebastian happy? Or did he truly only want Ciel for his soul? You know there is no show if they aren't together. This way the show can go on forever... in a weird twisted way! lol Season 3? Yes! I would be excited. They can make contracts and eat souls together. (I honestly thought Ciel was going to make a contract with Elizabeth.) It would be cool to see Sebastian train Ciel and show him how to be a demon. |
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Sep 19, 2010 7:07 PM
#529
LizzyLoves5 said: Wow! What a creative ending! Didn't see THAT ONE coming... If they were going for the unexpected, they definitely succeeded. I just don't know what to think... I think that they totally catered to the CielxSebastian fanbase. I mean Ciel and Sebastian together for eternity? lol Why did Ciel do that? Does he really care for Sebastian or is he just using him? Is Sebastian happy? Or did he truly only want Ciel for his soul? You know there is no show if they aren't together. This way the show can go on forever... in a weird twisted way! lol Season 3? Yes! I would be excited. They can make contracts and eat souls together. (I honestly thought Ciel was going to make a contract with Elizabeth.) It would be cool to see Sebastian train Ciel and show him how to be a demon. Ciel is obviously using Sebastian, he never cared for him. Sebastian is not happy, he wanted Ciel for his soul and clearly stated it many times in the series. To be bound to him for all eternity, to be bound to what he wanted to eat the most without being able to eat it forever is probably the worst kind of torture you could do to him. Sebastian must be wishing for something to happen to break his contract with Ciel, which will probably happen (demon are not eternal, Claude proved it) but will take a hell of a long time to do so. |
Sep 19, 2010 7:13 PM
#530
| I loved it! It really kept with the whole kuroshitsuji thing. It just felt right. When I saw it I was like oh shit, is he a demon? then wait why is he bleeding out unless its the pressure from the ocean depth. Then I was waiting for confirmation. You wouldn't think that the contract would hold up at the point of death though and even if he was reborn but I guess its a soul thing since it carried over before. Ya feel bad that Sebastian didn't get his soul and now is stuck as a butler but I like the thought of the post before mine #545 about contracting together--wonder how that'll work. Ciel is like a cat--multiple lives. |
Sep 19, 2010 11:25 PM
#531
SirensRequiem said: .......wow. I thought of that ending a few weeks ago, but to think they actually did it......damn. Revenge is a bitch lol So, my summary: "Let's have a demon duel with the sword Hannah hides in her stomach!" "Um, ok!" Claude death (I thought it was funny that he wanted his glasses at the end). "Yay, look Ciel, Claude acknowledged me! (btw, ur gonna be reborn a demon)" "What was that?" "Oh nothing *whistles*" Alois death. "Because Alois is a spiteful little brat, you never get to eat Ciel's soul :D" "WUT?????!!!!!" *rushes to kill him before he wakes up* AWW HELL NO!" "I r evul demon. You amz butlerz. Servez me for all eternityz." "Yes my lord." THE END Oh, I get it now. Anyways, where is this fairyland that they end up going to where it's an equal ground for humans and demons? ... after life? |
Sep 20, 2010 7:24 AM
#532
hext said: SirensRequiem said: .......wow. I thought of that ending a few weeks ago, but to think they actually did it......damn. Revenge is a bitch lol So, my summary: "Let's have a demon duel with the sword Hannah hides in her stomach!" "Um, ok!" Claude death (I thought it was funny that he wanted his glasses at the end). "Yay, look Ciel, Claude acknowledged me! (btw, ur gonna be reborn a demon)" "What was that?" "Oh nothing *whistles*" Alois death. "Because Alois is a spiteful little brat, you never get to eat Ciel's soul :D" "WUT?????!!!!!" *rushes to kill him before he wakes up* AWW HELL NO!" "I r evul demon. You amz butlerz. Servez me for all eternityz." "Yes my lord." THE END Oh, I get it now. Anyways, where is this fairyland that they end up going to where it's an equal ground for humans and demons? ... after life? Exactly. It's called hell. |
Sep 20, 2010 7:27 AM
#533
SirensRequiem said: .......wow. I thought of that ending a few weeks ago, but to think they actually did it......damn. Revenge is a bitch lol So, my summary: "Let's have a demon duel with the sword Hannah hides in her stomach!" "Um, ok!" Claude death (I thought it was funny that he wanted his glasses at the end). "Yay, look Ciel, Claude acknowledged me! (btw, ur gonna be reborn a demon)" "What was that?" "Oh nothing *whistles*" Alois death. "Because Alois is a spiteful little brat, you never get to eat Ciel's soul :D" "WUT?????!!!!!" *rushes to kill him before he wakes up* AWW HELL NO!" "I r evul demon. You amz butlerz. Servez me for all eternityz." "Yes my lord." THE END the best summery EVER |
Sep 20, 2010 7:34 AM
#534
| Okay as starters; I cried so freaking hard when Claude died; yea unexpected but I did. I think he died as a 'Trancy' butler. I'd like to think it that way. Okay what the hell. Ciel a demon? His shota-ness ended with those eyes. Of course I was super disgusted by Hannah when she snuggled up to Claude; oh lovely dovey shall live as a happy family for eternity. "Oh look Luka everyone's here, we're gonna live happily evur afterz like in za disney movies! Claude and Hannah are here too to make us babiehs!"-- STOP wait what? "MUST. . . SAVE. . . BOCCHAN!!! -dive- " -Sebastian. "-opens eyes-" -Ciel. "zOMFG DEMONZ -FALCON PUNCH- . . . . oh shoot. . . " -Sebastian. -later- "Did you just try to kill me, Sebastian?" -Ciel "ROFLMFAO, no he was killing the water-bug on your effing shirt, of course he tried to kill you." -Me. Alright. And also the empty cup thingy, was epic, admit it. You know you went like "What the hell Ciel, the cup is empty you know." And Elizabeth going all like "OMAI CIEL WE'LL DANCCCEEEE????! Yaaaaaaay." Then few moments after Ciel shows her the EVIL powas. "Omai what teh fawk Ciel your eyessss -bluuuuuuuush-" By this time I was falling over from the chair. The last 'cliff' moment. Was EPIC. "You're mai butler nao, you get no soul. And you serve me ever after~ I'm so happizz" "Y-yes my lord. And I've been granted an eternal curse. . . . -jumps-" Aaaaaaaaaaaaaare you serious? lol. If anything, Alois fucked up everything for Sebastian. I pity Sebastian now, Ciel is just. Not shota anymore. And they made him sound like some bastard. But you gotta admit it. Claude, Hannah, Alois, got away with it. I think being dead is better than humiliated. Better safe than sorry. Sadly, Sebastian chose the wrong timing; time to be sorry. For all the fangirls who were bashing Claude for killing Alois. Here's this. Sebastian JUST wanted Ciel's soul. He even attempted to kill him too when he wasn't human anymore. What the hell with the demons are nice and crap that I saw around the forums. Another proves. Sebastian's change in attitude. He's SERVING a demon like him now. I don't hate any of the characters, but yeah. He got owned badly; though he didn't really do anything wrong. Alois and Hannah were victorious~ Alois was the mastermind; who would have guessed? Conclusion:: Claude underestimated Alois. Hannah had a child complex. Sebastian showed his true colors. Ciel turns into a fawking demon. Lizzy goes "OMAI -BLUUUUSH-" Lau goes all like "Wtf" Insert more drama for Soma's sake. Ciel curses Sebastian for all eternity with demonic shota-ness. Ah the end. This episode had it's share of tears and Rofl'ing. I've been disappointed by this season; I started watching it half-hearted-ly ever since Alois started dying. No one would read this I bet. It might get a 7.5/10 |
Sep 20, 2010 7:35 AM
#535
| Interesting ending.... It made me smile when Alois was able to join with everyone in the afterlife (I guessss?). x3 And I was not expecting Ciel to become a demon. Kinda frustrated me cause I kept thinking of what Sebby must have been feeling. DUDE. All he wanted was a little snack, but in the end he bit off more than he could chew and now he's stuck with Ciel for eternityyyyyyy. o_o No nom time for Seb. :O Poor guy. lmao I'm guessing none of this chaos happened in the manga? I'ma go read that next. |
Sep 20, 2010 7:47 AM
#536
XxAlicexX said: Okay as starters; I cried so freaking hard when Claude died; yea unexpected but I did. I think he died as a 'Trancy' butler. I'd like to think it that way. Okay what the hell. Ciel a demon? His shota-ness ended with those eyes. Of course I was super disgusted by Hannah when she snuggled up to Claude; oh lovely dovey shall live as a happy family for eternity. "Oh look Luka everyone's here, we're gonna live happily evur afterz like in za disney movies! Claude and Hannah are here too to make us babiehs!"-- STOP wait what? "MUST. . . SAVE. . . BOCCHAN!!! -dive- " -Sebastian. "-opens eyes-" -Ciel. "zOMFG DEMONZ -FALCON PUNCH- . . . . oh shoot. . . " -Sebastian. -later- "Did you just try to kill me, Sebastian?" -Ciel "ROFLMFAO, no he was killing the water-bug on your effing shirt, of course he tried to kill you." -Me. Alright. And also the empty cup thingy, was epic, admit it. You know you went like "What the hell Ciel, the cup is empty you know." And Elizabeth going all like "OMAI CIEL WE'LL DANCCCEEEE????! Yaaaaaaay." Then few moments after Ciel shows her the EVIL powas. "Omai what teh fawk Ciel your eyessss -bluuuuuuuush-" By this time I was falling over from the chair. The last 'cliff' moment. Was EPIC. "You're mai butler nao, you get no soul. And you serve me ever after~ I'm so happizz" "Y-yes my lord. And I've been granted an eternal curse. . . . -jumps-" Aaaaaaaaaaaaaare you serious? lol. If anything, Alois fucked up everything for Sebastian. I pity Sebastian now, Ciel is just. Not shota anymore. And they made him sound like some bastard. But you gotta admit it. Claude, Hannah, Alois, got away with it. I think being dead is better than humiliated. Better safe than sorry. Sadly, Sebastian chose the wrong timing; time to be sorry. For all the fangirls who were bashing Claude for killing Alois. Here's this. Sebastian JUST wanted Ciel's soul. He even attempted to kill him too when he wasn't human anymore. What the hell with the demons are nice and crap that I saw around the forums. Another proves. Sebastian's change in attitude. He's SERVING a demon like him now. I don't hate any of the characters, but yeah. He got owned badly; though he didn't really do anything wrong. Alois and Hannah were victorious~ Alois was the mastermind; who would have guessed? Conclusion:: Claude underestimated Alois. Hannah had a child complex. Sebastian showed his true colors. Ciel turns into a fawking demon. Lizzy goes "OMAI -BLUUUUSH-" Lau goes all like "Wtf" Insert more drama for Soma's sake. Ciel curses Sebastian for all eternity with demonic shota-ness. Ah the end. This episode had it's share of tears and Rofl'ing. I've been disappointed by this season; I started watching it half-hearted-ly ever since Alois started dying. No one would read this I bet. It might get a 7.5/10 yeah , sure no one will read this but me |
Sep 20, 2010 9:13 AM
#537
| *begin rant* big fan of kuroshitsuji so i eagerly watch this. super thrilled that throughout the series sebastian pawned claude, who i find disgusting and like a second-rate sebastian. alois was also annoying. ciel owns. (sorry can't help but compare the whole butler-master thing) hannah was the most annoying character ever, i mean stop showing your breasts and die already. i thought being the final episode that it is, and since sebastian finally killed claude, he will at last have his freaking snack that he so totally deserves, bu noooooo. hannah and alois just had to ruin it for him!!! i know i should be impressed by the twist of events, like ciel "escaping the contract" and alois, claude and hannah one-upping sebastian but i don't think sebastian was not depicted as an evil greedy butler that deserved eternal humiliation. at least not that evil, he was even likeable. in fact, he served ciel well, and the final episode of kuroshitsuji made him seem like the epic demon that he is. i know it's just the sebastian fangirl that's mostly talking, but goshdarn, i was really hoping sebastian gets to eat ciel's soul. he totally deserves it. the ending downgraded sebastian's epicness, and that is just sad and wrong and totally disappointing. over-all the series entertained me. sebastian is still awesome. sure the ending totally knocked me for a loop. if this anime is one thing, it is unpredictable. however, i would have preferred to have not watched it and just end the whole anime with kuroshitsuji's final episode, with sebastian leaning in to take ciel's soul. now that was a great ending.... unfortunately, i cannot unwatch this disappointing anime... sebastian + humiliation = cannot be done *end rant* |
michelle17Sep 20, 2010 9:17 AM
Sep 20, 2010 9:25 AM
#538
Sep 20, 2010 10:22 AM
#539
| LIKED IT the whole demons duel sucked, Claude was most boring character ever (along with Hannah), but Ciel becoming a demon was nice. Fanservice for the SebxCiel pairing, hmm? :> Here I disagree with Dandere-chan. If Ciel wouldn't care for Sebastian, he wouldn't blush thinking about him in the garden >D Btw, 99% watchers of this anime are girls, so WHY oh WHY we had to watch continuous groping Hannah's breasts and stuff? THEY COULD MAKE HER SO COOL D: |
Sep 20, 2010 11:20 AM
#540
| Poor Sebastian... he was working so hard for Ciels souls and thats what he's getting ._. Although it is nice too, that they will be together for eternity :3 |
Sep 20, 2010 1:49 PM
#541
XxAlicexX said: Conclusion:: Claude underestimated Alois. Hannah had a child complex. Sebastian showed his true colors. Ciel turns into a fawking demon. Lizzy goes "OMAI -BLUUUUSH-" Lau goes all like "Wtf" Insert more drama for Soma's sake. Ciel curses Sebastian for all eternity with demonic shota-ness. Ah the end. This episode had it's share of tears and Rofl'ing. I've been disappointed by this season; I started watching it half-hearted-ly ever since Alois started dying. No one would read this I bet. It might get a 7.5/10 I read it all, and you have it right. Claude TOTALLY underestimated Alois...Yes, Claude is brilliant and indeed clever, but even he got controlled by Alois to the very end of his life. This brings it back to the spider and butterfly symbolism. You never know who's the spider and butterfly between Claude & Alois, their roles just keep changing. |
Sep 20, 2010 2:37 PM
#542
EarlCiel said: XxAlicexX said: Conclusion:: Claude underestimated Alois. Hannah had a child complex. Sebastian showed his true colors. Ciel turns into a fawking demon. Lizzy goes "OMAI -BLUUUUSH-" Lau goes all like "Wtf" Insert more drama for Soma's sake. Ciel curses Sebastian for all eternity with demonic shota-ness. Ah the end. This episode had it's share of tears and Rofl'ing. I've been disappointed by this season; I started watching it half-hearted-ly ever since Alois started dying. No one would read this I bet. It might get a 7.5/10 I read it all, and you have it right. Claude TOTALLY underestimated Alois...Yes, Claude is brilliant and indeed clever, but even he got controlled by Alois to the very end of his life. This brings it back to the spider and butterfly symbolism. You never know who's the spider and butterfly between Claude & Alois, their roles just keep changing. I think this is why I like the ClaudexAlois pairing more than the SebastianxCiel one. I agree with Grell, who said that love means fight XD Claude is clever, yes, but that doesn't mean I like him. I actually wouldn't like him at all if it weren't for Alois. I hate his glasses, I hate the lace doilies he crochets, and I hate his origamis. More generally, I hate his face. Really, even if there are still many open questions about the series, I think if they gave me the possibility to ask Alois just one question, the only thing that would pop in my mind would be to point at Claude and ask Alois "Explain the attractiveness of this man, because I really CANNOT bring myself to see it". To me, Claude will always be a cheap copy of Sebastian, who I must admit is a great character and really didn't deserve his fate. No matter if you guys like him or not, you must admit that life simply wasn't fair to him. |
Astrid_Sep 20, 2010 2:48 PM
Sep 20, 2010 3:20 PM
#543
| I dislike Claude as well...even if he did admit his feelings to Alois... Why the heck would he suddenly admit it? He was being such a smart ass and "hiding" his feeling until the END where he knows where Alois is in control? Sebastian tells him that Alois wanted this, and the suddenly Claude's all "OHH YAY! I'M GOING TO SUFFER FOREVER! YIPEE!!!" (he may have been,"ohh alois has given me a second chance..wippee!! but I freaking doubt it >___> and if he DOES HE BETTER BE FREAKIN' GRATEFUL BECAUSE SEBASTIAN GETTING HIS BUTT WHOOPED AROUND BY CIEL FOR ETERNITY.lol) Is admitting his feelings some kind of a battle cry where he thinks Alois will love him even more...well, even if he DOES try to pull up one of his "tricks" Alois isn't alone anymore. It isn't as easy to punch Alois now that he has body guards..first you have to get through the utterly adorable little kid, Luca (Claude will fall down here, since he is a pedo) and then he has to get through Hannah (Momma Trancy. rofl. She'll get that demon sword and give it to Alois to stab Claude x2. Might not kill him since they are in the "after life".. but ohh..Claude will suffer...either way. |
Sep 20, 2010 3:40 PM
#544
EarlCiel said: I dislike Claude as well...even if he did admit his feelings to Alois... Why the heck would he suddenly admit it? He was being such a smart ass and "hiding" his feeling until the END where he knows where Alois is in control? Sebastian tells him that Alois wanted this, and the suddenly Claude's all "OHH YAY! I'M GOING TO SUFFER FOREVER! YIPEE!!!" (he may have been,"ohh alois has given me a second chance..wippee!! but I freaking doubt it >___> and if he DOES HE BETTER BE FREAKIN' GRATEFUL BECAUSE SEBASTIAN GETTING HIS BUTT WHOOPED AROUND BY CIEL FOR ETERNITY.lol) Is admitting his feelings some kind of a battle cry where he thinks Alois will love him even more...well, even if he DOES try to pull up one of his "tricks" Alois isn't alone anymore. It isn't as easy to punch Alois now that he has body guards..first you have to get through the utterly adorable little kid, Luca (Claude will fall down here, since he is a pedo) and then he has to get through Hannah (Momma Trancy. rofl. She'll get that demon sword and give it to Alois to stab Claude x2. Might not kill him since they are in the "after life".. but ohh..Claude will suffer...either way. Yeah, Claude should be grateful because really, Alois could have done anything to him. He could have decided to come back to life in Ciel's body as a demon and have Hannah eat Ciel. He could have forced Claude to submission (as hannah suggested), he could have done an infinite number of perverted things, but in the end... well if Claude didn't have a change of heart, what Alois did was the worst curse he could come up with XD. To condemn Claude to live in a nirvana for all eternity where there's backup for Alois and none for him XD I think Claude may envy Sebastian now XDXD But I think there actually was a "change of heart" that wouldn't have happened if Claude was still a demon. Claude did like Alois, he admired the way he wanted to take revenge on Sebastian and desired Alois when he was in his "psyco" moments (what with all that "I only wish to devour my master" etc). The problem is that feelings muddle the taste of the soul, so when Alois started having feelings for Claude, his soul lost its value. But now that Claude is a soul and not a demon who wishes to devour souls, I think he'll appreciate again what he once appreciated of Alois. Unlike Ciel and Sebastian, who work well because Sebastian is a demon, Claude and Alois will work well once Claude ISN'T a demon anymore. |
Sep 20, 2010 3:45 PM
#545
| I think Claude hid his feelings until he knew his life was over because it was... complicated. I don't think Claude loved Alois as a soul (like Sebastian with Ciel) he always wanted Ciel, but when he was with Alois he admired his personality, he liked his psycotic phases (probably because Claude is a psyco too) etc. But demons aren't supposed to like people this way. They should only eat his souls. So Claude did what any demon would have done and killed Alois, whose soul was muddled by feelings. Then, as a proper demon, he convinced himself he was fighting over Ciel's soul, but then Sebastian revealed the truth Claude didn't want to face. Sebastian admitted what Claude couldn't bring himself to, that Alois always controlled him. And that's when Claude admitted his feelings for Alois. Alois did well in deciding to live as a soul with Claude, because it wouldn't have worked between them neither if he came back to life as a mortal, or if he became a demon. Being both souls it's the only way they could work out together. |
Sep 20, 2010 4:34 PM
#546
| I could agree with that, but don't really think Claude liked Alois' psychotic phases because he knew that Alois acted that way because he was trying to get attention. Any time Alois acted crazy, it was because of Claude he does that. Really, Alois isn't a phsyco maniac we see him as..no way..the only physco thing about Alois is that he won't give up, even if someone broke his heart a thousand times, he'd always convince himself to get right back up and keep going. That's creepy, I don't think anyone can have that much endurance while being rejected over and over again. If Claude admired Alois, that's great and all...but the fact he was fighting over Ciel's soul so passionately without really giving Alois a glance doesn't make sense. His demon senses may have taken over, but remember the look in his eyes whenever he thought about Ciel? His passionate wanting for Ciel, and only Ciel? In the beginning, he said,"I only wish to devour my master" and yet he goes on and tries to steal Ciel from Sebastian. Lies, Betrayal. I never thought that he convinced himself to fight over Ciel's soul, I believe that Claude was curious about Ciel's soul right after he made a contract with Alois. After Mr. Trancy died, he told Alois about Sebastian, then mentioned Ciel. He then soon began to form a plan, Alois was nothing to Claude, he was just a chess piece, alois was just a stepping stone for Claude to get Ciel. IF Claude had feelings he'd never be able to do that. Does Claude find pleasure in Alois' suffering? How can he GO ON LIVING knowing that the person he "used to admire" was suffering more than he ever needs to? I believe that when Alois said he wanted to make Sebastian suffer a death more painful that death itself, Claude acknowledged Alois as "clever", which makes me think he really said that because he desperately wanted to steal Ciel's soul. |
Sep 20, 2010 4:43 PM
#547
| So basically, I find it very hard to believe that Claude can suddenly express his feelings like that. To me, he never had feelings for Alois. Ever. In the beginning, he never acknowledged Alois for anything unless it involved Ciel. Even Alois knew just how much Claude had a desire for Ciel's soul. I find it hard to believe for someone to kill the "so called person they admire" and use them after "convincing them-self" that they are a demon. Yes, Claude is a demon, and he's one hell of a demon...but for him to abandon his feelings like they were nothing? This tells me he never had them. He never had feelings. In the beginning, Claude stood there obeying Alois' EVERY WORD. Skillfully, Professionally and like a TRUE butler, but he also did it without emotion. Alois disliked how Claude never showed any emotion. Not a smile, not even his anger. Then why, why did Claude smile whenever he thought of Ciel? Why did he show his true self after discovering the taste of Ciel's blood? Why? Because Claude is a demon, and demon devour souls. because claude is a demon, he isn't emotionless. He's a hungry monster waiting for souls to feast on. He is very skillful, at getting his prey. He's a demon. Claude was not going to stay by Alois' side forever. Ordering Alois day and night. Putting up with his attitude and selfishness. Claude never planned on being with Alois from the start. When Alois didn't have a wish, he made one for himself so he could be with Claude. I don't know if Claude actually forced a wish ("suggested"), but either way...Alois' wish was not true to himself. All alois wanted was to find happiness with Claude. To me, Claude had the eyes of a starving demon ever since the beginning. That's why I find it hard to believe he's suddenly revealing his "feelings". It's absolutely absurd to me. |
Sep 20, 2010 4:57 PM
#548
| hmm, two different takes on the ending of claude..interesting..too bad we won't really get know who's right.. |
Sep 20, 2010 7:15 PM
#549
| I rarely ever say these words about any anime I've ever watched but: HORRIBLE, plain and simply HORRIBLE, I can't believe I just saw this disastrous, idiotic, yaoi fest. This has got to be one of the worst I've ever seen, I rarely rate lower than 5, but this is clearly lower than that. I regret watching this season, they should've ended it on season 1. |
Sep 20, 2010 7:34 PM
#550
| What a terrible ending. The whole thing was a mess. Combined with a lackluster feeling overall, characters that are difficult to like, plus plenty of needless fanservice, I have to give Kuroshitsuji II a 3/10. Disappointing, considering that I thought season 1 wasn't that bad at all. |
AeternaSep 20, 2010 7:41 PM
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