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Sep 16, 2010 9:47 AM

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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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O______O I don't know what to say ... I'll probably start to cry ... again ToT
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Sorry for all my language mistakes x_o
 
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Sep 16, 2010 10:09 AM

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I don't know. On one hand I'm disappointed at the ending, and on the other I'm happy with it. This will probably lead to more of a broken-base fandom but... I just don't know what to think. At least the ending was open-ended. And well, Ciel looks cute with black nail polish.
 
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Sep 16, 2010 10:24 AM

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hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

I hate waiting.
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Sep 16, 2010 10:32 AM

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PLEASE GIVE ME THE LINK!!
 
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Ok... I need someone to come up with a summary of this because... I really... don't know what to make of it.
Mh... I think I've never been so speechless in my entire life.
 
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Sep 16, 2010 11:27 AM

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Damn, I want those subs to know what they are saying... But, if I understood everything correctly, this is the best end! So great that I couldn"t even imagine a better one :D I just feel very sorry that this is the last episode... looking forward to kuroshitsuji II specials...
 
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Sep 16, 2010 11:41 AM

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It was propabluy first time when I was crying because Kuroshitsuji. But I don't know exacly what's happened. Ciel is a demon? With contract? Demons have a soul? On the end... it wasn't Ciel? He wasn't acting like him. And I think that Sebastian wasn't like it too. So... Why he was with him? And these letters in the boxes... To remember Ciel... It was... so...^^ I don't know how can I say it.
It was great end of Kuroshitsuji. But... I think that it wuld be better when Ciel was be a human. But now they can be for ever together... Propably.^^ It so sad that it is the end.
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Sep 16, 2010 11:50 AM

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wow. It finally ended. At least Alois soul is finally free. In a way Hannah got what she wanted...............she made Ciel a demon if I am correct?
*sighs* It was an open end but Ciel Phantomhive will never be the same again and in a way he "died". Cause with all the memorial things going on, the dance with Lizzy, the letters.......

Its good that it ended ^^ sad but good =)
 
Sep 16, 2010 11:51 AM

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WTF KIND ENDING IS THAT?! D8
and btw if you wanna the link here it is http://say-move.org/comeplay.php?comeid=94088
 
Sep 16, 2010 11:52 AM

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*cry in silence*
 
Sep 16, 2010 11:58 AM

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Kannei said:
*cry in silence*


*pats u* there, there T^T its okay.............
 
Sep 16, 2010 12:01 PM

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So last one, goodbye after this... or is it? It was pointed out that the Aniplex calendar lists an episode 13 and 14 over the next 2 weeks. The staff and even Sebastian said that 12 was the last but who knows with this mob lol
 
Sep 16, 2010 12:02 PM

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This episode gave me mixed feelings. D:

+ alois appearing in his physical form
+ luca and alois reuniting
+ letters in memory of ciel
- the cliffhanger ending. D:
 
Sep 16, 2010 12:05 PM

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It looks that Ciel isn"t the same, but somehow I see it this way: He is still same person, his soul isn"t eaten and he still has his memories... Yes, he is a demon and he will never die, so he had to go through some change, but for me this is a happy ending... I wish I could understand what were Ciel and Sebastian talking at the end of episode... *sigh*
But I think that Ciel in demon form is cute :D somehow, when I was thinking about possible endings, I wished that Ciel becomes demon, and I must say that I really didn"t expected that it will end like this :D
well, that it ended with Sebastians death, or him eating Ciels soul, it would be rather boring and too predictible...
 
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The funny thing is that I saw a youtube vid with Ciel becoming a demon in the end...... X____X It was so well made and it was possible. That the staff decided to do this in the end shows that Kuro fans do have some very great idea's XD

In a way its....ah well its over so the next thing we have to do is wait for subs and the OVA's!
 
Sep 16, 2010 12:13 PM

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so...sebastian's finally eats ciel soul , so ciel became a demon...?
 
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Miri_Haptism said:
Kannei said:
*cry in silence*


*pats u* there, there T^T its okay.............


*still crying*CLAUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
 
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Kannei said:
Miri_Haptism said:
Kannei said:
*cry in silence*


*pats u* there, there T^T its okay.............


*still crying*CLAUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


T______T That was so............. I seriously hated that part it was as if he suddenly.......it just didn't made sense. >___>
*hugs* Be strong, keep it up!! I am trying myself............
 
Sep 16, 2010 12:18 PM

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...this ending make me "WTF" all the time
 
Sep 16, 2010 12:20 PM

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LuciferTheAngel said:
...this ending make me "WTF" all the time


Your not the only one................
 
Sep 16, 2010 12:22 PM

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that was the saddest anime death ive ever seen *sobbing*
 
Sep 16, 2010 12:22 PM

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filthy_victorian said:
It looks that Ciel isn"t the same, but somehow I see it this way: He is still same person, his soul isn"t eaten and he still has his memories... Yes, he is a demon and he will never die, so he had to go through some change, but for me this is a happy ending... I wish I could understand what were Ciel and Sebastian talking at the end of episode... *sigh*
But I think that Ciel in demon form is cute :D somehow, when I was thinking about possible endings, I wished that Ciel becomes demon, and I must say that I really didn"t expected that it will end like this :D
well, that it ended with Sebastians death, or him eating Ciels soul, it would be rather boring and too predictible...

Agree.
I almost cried of happiness because the ending is PERFECT (at least without the subs XD) but I was still waiting for a kiss. At least they will stay together forever now ^^ Oh and Alois will stay with his brother now, too ^^
And almost cried of sadness too because it's the last episode i-i
Well... this episode just made my year.
~* P H A N T O M H I V E ~ H O U S E H O L D *~

...because I NEED to see some Ciel x Sebastian again...
 
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LuciferTheAngel said:
so...sebastian's finally eats ciel soul , so ciel became a demon...?


Well, not actually... Sebastian couldn"t eat Ciels soul because of the contract Hannah had with Alois. His last wish was that Sebastian NEVER gets the soul he wanted so much. That"s why he became a demon. I wonder if that is the reason why Seabstian looked so sad through this episode...
That it didn"t happen, and that Sebastian ate Ciels soul, then he would end like Luca, sleeping inside od the demon...
 
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filthy_victorian said:
LuciferTheAngel said:
so...sebastian's finally eats ciel soul , so ciel became a demon...?

I wonder if that is the reason why Seabstian looked so sad through this episode...

because he missed the old ciel (as humen) , i guess when he made ciel a demon , was a big mistake (for sebastian)
 
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DominateOne said:
So last one, goodbye after this... or is it? It was pointed out that the Aniplex calendar lists an episode 13 and 14 over the next 2 weeks. The staff and even Sebastian said that 12 was the last but who knows with this mob lol


Well, somehow I don"t think that there will be more episodes because the story is really over and I have no idea what could happen next. And I don"t want to risk that some of the characters that actually survived get the chance to die too... But it would be great to get to see more of Ciel and Sebastian and their lives as demons... I wish that they make an anime movie or some special about it...

It was so sad to see Phantomhive servants and Ciels friends cry... :((( And is it just me, or the household badge on Tanakas suit was different? I"m almost sure that it wasnt the Phantomhive badge...
 
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filthy_victorian said:


Well, not actually... Sebastian couldn"t eat Ciels soul because of the contract Hannah had with Alois. His last wish was that Sebastian NEVER gets the soul he wanted so much. That"s why he became a demon. I wonder if that is the reason why Seabstian looked so sad through this episode...
That it didn"t happen, and that Sebastian ate Ciels soul, then he would end like Luca, sleeping inside od the demon...

didnt ciel and sebastian sign a contract????
im kinda lost with this episode
 
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filthy_victorian said:
It was so sad to see Phantomhive servants and Ciels friends cry... :((( And is it just me, or the household badge on Tanakas suit was different? I"m almost sure that it wasnt the Phantomhive badge...


I noticed that too, it was indeed different. I dunno what it means, maybe that was the badge Tanaka was always wearing before Sebby came and took it over?
Or someone else is going to inhabit the house but thats waay too soon to happen.

So I just go for the first one, how weird that may be...........
 
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LuciferTheAngel said:
filthy_victorian said:


Well, not actually... Sebastian couldn"t eat Ciels soul because of the contract Hannah had with Alois. His last wish was that Sebastian NEVER gets the soul he wanted so much. That"s why he became a demon. I wonder if that is the reason why Seabstian looked so sad through this episode...
That it didn"t happen, and that Sebastian ate Ciels soul, then he would end like Luca, sleeping inside od the demon...

didnt ciel and sebastian sign a contract????
im kinda lost with this episode


Yes, it is quite confusing without subs... (I"m learning to speak japanese for a year now and I understand some things but it"s still very confusing)
Alois/Ciel made contract with Hannah at the end of the episode 11. To make a contract, demon wants soul, and human must have wish or goal wich he will acomplish with the demons help. In this episode, we found out that Alois wish when he made a contract with Hannah was that Sebastian never gets ciels soul. And that happened. Sebastian didn"t eat Ciels soul, I"m sure of it...
The only thing that I don"t understand is how Hannah turned Ciel into demon...
It confuses me too why Sebastian and Ciel still have contract signs on them... It is possible that Sebastian will have to serve Ciel for the rest of eternity... lol poor Sebastian if this is true xD he will never get some rest :P
 
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"in the memory of...
{Ciel phantomhive}
who died at aug , 26th , 1889
AGED 13 YEARS"

...CIEL IS DEAD?!!!
O_o
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LuciferTheAngel said:
filthy_victorian said:


Well, not actually... Sebastian couldn"t eat Ciels soul because of the contract Hannah had with Alois. His last wish was that Sebastian NEVER gets the soul he wanted so much. That"s why he became a demon. I wonder if that is the reason why Seabstian looked so sad through this episode...
That it didn"t happen, and that Sebastian ate Ciels soul, then he would end like Luca, sleeping inside od the demon...

didnt ciel and sebastian sign a contract????
im kinda lost with this episode

Alois made a contract with Hanna before the two butlers arrived in the tower. He wished for Ciel to be save from the demon butlers and for his soul to never be eaten (maybe because he did not want for Ciel to end up like him). So Hanna made Ciel a demon and thus Sebastian was forever unable to eat Ciel's soul (because demons don't have an immortal soul).
BUT, and that's why Sebastian is 'sad' (more like innerly destroyed), the contract between Ciel and Sebastian is made with the promise that it is over once and only once Sebastian has devoured Ciel's soul. Because that is impossible now Sebastian is now forever chained to Ciel (this is what they talk about in the carriage at the end) by the contract they made.

Like the cards to their former friends said, Ciel Phantomhive is practically dead now and there is no reason for him anymore to stay. Like he said to the servants ''Use the mansion however you like. You may as well burn it down''...I thought that was really sad.

I'm really impressed at the guts they showed in the end by producing such an ending. I think many manga-fans will be raging because of it, but I love it.
Waiting for: God Eater (PSP)

私が、探偵だからよ。
 
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Horrible episode. Quite honestly the most pointless ending ever. 1/5 since I can't rate it any lower
 
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carol_4never said:
filthy_victorian said:
It looks that Ciel isn"t the same, but somehow I see it this way: He is still same person, his soul isn"t eaten and he still has his memories... Yes, he is a demon and he will never die, so he had to go through some change, but for me this is a happy ending... I wish I could understand what were Ciel and Sebastian talking at the end of episode... *sigh*
But I think that Ciel in demon form is cute :D somehow, when I was thinking about possible endings, I wished that Ciel becomes demon, and I must say that I really didn"t expected that it will end like this :D
well, that it ended with Sebastians death, or him eating Ciels soul, it would be rather boring and too predictible...

Agree.
I almost cried of happiness because the ending is PERFECT (at least without the subs XD) but I was still waiting for a kiss. At least they will stay together forever now ^^ Oh and Alois will stay with his brother now, too ^^
And almost cried of sadness too because it's the last episode i-i
Well... this episode just made my year.


Me too :D :D :D It was so funny because I read Kuroshitsuji doujinshi with almost the same ending lol xD the ending (at least without subs, and I so hope that I won"t discover anything sad when they come out) is like some demon yaoi fairytale lol xD and they lived dark and happily ever after. XD awwww :)
Somehow it seems to me that Tsoboso Yana and producers were making 2nd season according to wishes of the fans... all those fanservice and everything xD almost like they read doujinshies and forum posts xD lol
 
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Somehow it seems to me that Tsoboso Yana and producers were making 2nd season according to wishes of the fans


Then it is official. FANS RUIN SERIES.
 
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seizonsha, thanx for clearing the things I didn"t understand... :) Quite interesting, then this is really the best possible ending...
I was afraid what might happen when subs come out... I was wondering what if Ciel is dead and this is someone else, or a demon who has no memoryes on his former life... xD glad it isn"t like that...
wheee! :D can"t wait fr the specials :)
 
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filthy_victorian said:
Me too :D :D :D It was so funny because I read Kuroshitsuji doujinshi with almost the same ending lol xD the ending (at least without subs, and I so hope that I won"t discover anything sad when they come out) is like some demon yaoi fairytale lol xD and they lived dark and happily ever after. XD awwww :)


XDDDD
What's the name of this doujinshi?? *-*
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...because I NEED to see some Ciel x Sebastian again...
 
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*tries not to read what all of you been saying-

Does anyone knows when the subs comes out?
 
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I'm scared to watch this.
 
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Darklight0303 said:
filthy_victorian said:
Somehow it seems to me that Tsoboso Yana and producers were making 2nd season according to wishes of the fans


Then it is official. FANS RUIN SERIES.

agreed

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I'm scared to watch this.

i prefer you dont watch this , or you will say "WTF" all the time , non stop
 
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Before I continue watching, I just want to say that I hate how they are making it...a game. SEEING ALOIS IN HIS PHYSICAL FORM ANDDD BACK-TO-BACK WITH
CIEL IS PURE AWESOMENESS, BTW.

But I think Ciel was just being his usual self and doubting the word "ai" (aka love)
while Alois wus all "WAHHT? YOU DON'T AGREE WITH LOVE????"
 
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WTF happend....*goes back to watch*....


-I don't care anymore...
I wish everybody would just dissapear into darkness...

 
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seizonsha said:
LuciferTheAngel said:
filthy_victorian said:


Well, not actually... Sebastian couldn"t eat Ciels soul because of the contract Hannah had with Alois. His last wish was that Sebastian NEVER gets the soul he wanted so much. That"s why he became a demon. I wonder if that is the reason why Seabstian looked so sad through this episode...
That it didn"t happen, and that Sebastian ate Ciels soul, then he would end like Luca, sleeping inside od the demon...

didnt ciel and sebastian sign a contract????
im kinda lost with this episode

Alois made a contract with Hanna before the two butlers arrived in the tower. He wished for Ciel to be save from the demon butlers and for his soul to never be eaten (maybe because he did not want for Ciel to end up like him). So Hanna made Ciel a demon and thus Sebastian was forever unable to eat Ciel's soul (because demons don't have an immortal soul).
BUT, and that's why Sebastian is 'sad' (more like innerly destroyed), the contract between Ciel and Sebastian is made with the promise that it is over once and only once Sebastian has devoured Ciel's soul. Because that is impossible now Sebastian is now forever chained to Ciel (this is what they talk about in the carriage at the end) by the contract they made.

Like the cards to their former friends said, Ciel Phantomhive is practically dead now and there is no reason for him anymore to stay. Like he said to the servants ''Use the mansion however you like. You may as well burn it down''...I thought that was really sad.

I'm really impressed at the guts they showed in the end by producing such an ending. I think many manga-fans will be raging because of it, but I love it.


I hope people don't bash Alois and say it's his fault because of this...
I can see the rage coming from the Ciel and Sebastian fans..*shivers*
DON'T BLAME ALOIS, HE JUST WANTED CIEL TO HAVE THE BEST!
HE WAS BEING THOUGHTFUL...A LITTLE TOO THOUGHTFUL..AND HE..
made them come to this situation. What an interesting situation..
 
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OMG, THE CLAUDE DIED?!
 
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What did I just watch...What is this, I don't even.

"Death is the end of a dark prison."
 
Sep 16, 2010 1:25 PM

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EarlCiel said:
OMG, THE CLAUDE DIED?!


now your happy right thats what ya all whanted isnt it
 
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I knew they would you "The Devil" card.
It actually has nothing to do with demons and satan either..
there's a convincing argument that this is the most powerful and dangerous card in the deck. Magically speaking, it is the one card in the deck that holds the secret of how to escape the material and temporal bonds of Earth.

This is a card about ambitions; it is also synonymous with temptation and addiction. On the flip side, however, the card can be a warning to someone who is too restrained, someone who never allows themselves to get passionate or messy or wild - or ambitious.

I can totally see how it relates to this episode.
 
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WHAT WAS THAT ?

I mean, Ciel turned into a demon?
I.. knew it, but.. but!!
OMG.

I have no words.
I'm sad, because soon ALL the hate will come and cheer about Claude's death, which I'm not looking forward to .
Remember, respect the fans who just lost a character they love.

I just don't .. it's not a bad ending. Just confusing.
But I guess.. at least Sebby and Ciel stayed together in the end.

And I'm glad all characters had an appearence, even the wonderful Alois. <3
But poor servants, Soma and Agni. ;;

- GRELL, RONALD & WILL <333

love is such a strange thing
but with you, it doesn't matter

 
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EarlCiel said:
OMG, THE CLAUDE DIED?!


YES HE DID HAHAHA
 
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Mony-Chan said:

I have no words.
I'm sad, because soon ALL the hate will come and cheer about Claude's death, which I'm not looking forward to .
Remember, respect the fans who just lost a character they love.


No one said anything.
And I don't have any intention of celebrating my happiness towards his death
because I am mentally confused..but I'll say that I felt no emotion when he was stabbed.
I just kind of laughed when Sebastian put on his glasses, rofl

Sebby:...I'll put your glasses on you since you always wanted it on *sniffles*
Claude: X______X
 
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Astrid_ said:
EarlCiel said:
OMG, THE CLAUDE DIED?!


YES HE DID HAHAHA


whats soo great about that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CLAUDEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!*starts crying again*
 
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