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Oct 14, 2024 11:38 AM
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Phlaryx said:
There were references that only manga readers would remember.


Yes, that's true, there are things happening at the opening that I just can't even imagine what they're about xD
@PokefanPT Try to avoid spoilers as much as possible! There are so many great twists that happen later on!
Oct 14, 2024 11:42 AM

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What a great premise. Im hooked.
Oct 14, 2024 11:55 AM

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@PokefanPT Try to avoid spoilers as much as possible! There are so many great twists that happen later on!
Phlaryx said:
Try to avoid spoilers as much as possible! There are so many great twists that happen later on!


Thank you for the warning! I will try my best to keep out from watching related videos on YouTube, that is the place where I most commonly get spoiled! Really REALLY curious to see how this anime will unfold!
Oct 14, 2024 12:09 PM

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This episode was really good. Can't believe that after 3 episodes the mc is dead though. This episode really showed how knowledge is passed down from generation to generation I feel.

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Oct 14, 2024 12:27 PM
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Okay, I've been watching anime for 15 or so pure years and I was like "what the actual f**k" at the end of this episode.
Banger as it is so far.
Oct 14, 2024 1:49 PM
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WWWWHAT JUST WENT DOWN???
Oct 14, 2024 2:30 PM
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Rafal you were young, but you were a true man nonetheless.
Oct 14, 2024 4:01 PM

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oh my god i can't believe how can it be possible for an anime to get so much better with every episode like this.

RIP my boy Rafal, his will and ideas will live on
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Oct 14, 2024 5:34 PM

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Wait he really just died? Like bruh? Intense episode and Rafal just proved that a man will die for his dreams. Just like Hubert left his dreams on Rafal's hands he left it too. Insane episode.
Oct 15, 2024 4:32 AM

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Hahah holy shit what a twist. Rafal is dead! They did a good job trolling us with OP and ED, making it seem like Rafal was the MC. So it seems the show will be about different people all pursuing the same goal.
Oct 15, 2024 8:41 AM
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You know how they tell the one that burned alive cannot be resurected by God

But rafal was burned dead
Also no way rafal have a fake dead, his body got burned
Oct 15, 2024 8:42 AM
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Wait he really just died? Like bruh? Intense episode and Rafal just proved that a man will die for his dreams. Just like Hubert left his dreams on Rafal's hands he left it too. Insane episode.
@MegamiRem yeah he's prob Dead, you cant fake a fire execution can you
Oct 15, 2024 1:52 PM

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My man casually went out with a giant middle finger to the system. What an absolute alpha.

In essence, this is how we reach modern-day science. A genius took what they had learned from the previous generation, built upon it, then passed it to the next generation, one step at a time.
Oct 15, 2024 2:17 PM

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Wait WHAAAAAAAAAAATTTTT?????

I was not expecting he got catch this soon, but he also died omg.

So if we are going for multiple MCs, I wonder if it will reach until Nicolau Copérnico? The one that actually manage to prove the theory.
@ScarRufus I think that is the case. These first 3 episodes have established the theme for this show. This story isn't about Rafal. It's about passing on the burning curiosity of astronomy. The quest of scholars to unravel the universe's mysteries. This upcoming episode will be critical, it could go either way. Hope it manages to keep the intrigue
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Oct 15, 2024 4:27 PM
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Holy shit, i don't even know how to describe the sheer amount of quality these first 3 episodes had.
The dialogues are just on a whole another level, man.
And i guess this anime is going to change protagonist after the death of the first one like jojo's
Oct 15, 2024 5:43 PM

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wow i liked mc already, that was good 3 episodes.
Oct 16, 2024 12:42 AM
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The level of writing of this show is off the charts, Rafal starts out as an arrogant genius and attention hungry teenager but after his meeting with Hubert he realises his love for astronomy and the reluctance to live by the lies of the church grows in him. His story ends as he decides to denounce the church's blatant lies regarding geocentrism and accepts his death for his love of "truth" that is as he sees heliocentrism. As rafal said " I would let inspiration survive even if it costs me my own life ". He will go as far as to give up his own life as long as it inspires someone else in the world to seek the truth as it did for him by Hubert.

To introduce, build, develop and conclude a character like this in just 3 eps is just mad work.
Hats off to Uoto-San and RIP Rafal
Oct 16, 2024 1:09 AM
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The new episode honestly surprised me so I’m excited for the future episodes. This anime is such a hidden gem
Oct 16, 2024 2:31 AM
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was censoring and stopping publications of the work and stuff like that. The biggest, and only, event where they were a bit more aggressive was against Galileo Galilei, that was put on Trial. The verdict was simply ''Describe the pro and cons of Heliocentrism'', but Galileo trolled them and his published research was pretty much just a ''Ya, I'm right, gg no re'' lol
Oct 16, 2024 2:40 AM
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The plot twist is FUCKING INSANE
This is such a well-directed ep. The dialogue is so well-written, and the story keeps gettin better and better. What an underrated show!
Oct 16, 2024 4:45 AM
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"Your enemy is a resilient one. The thing you all oppose isn't me. Nor is it heretics. It's part imagination and part curiosity. In short, it's the truth itself."

im getting 1984 vibes from this anime
Oct 16, 2024 8:43 AM
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Just Masterpiece
Oct 16, 2024 8:53 AM

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Oct 16, 2024 2:25 PM

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I geek out a bit again as I've written before that what happens in this anime is pure fantasy. A couple of more episodes are just a confirmation of that.
For ease of reading, I'm going to hide chunks of text under the spoiler and denote the subject matter. This is a simplified, brief summary.
Heresy. What is it?

A bit about the Inquisition.

Maleficars. Who's that?

A little bit about times and dates.

Printing press.
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The work of Copernicus and Galilei is not denied and is recognised. But it is Giordano Bruno who seems to be represented here.
Oct 16, 2024 11:32 PM
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Episode 3 and our boy Rafal is dead?
I was shocked 😱
RIP Rafal

10 years timeskip!!

What is this Show???
Oct 17, 2024 12:45 AM
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I don't think Rafal is really dead. I think he faked his death, in order to be burnt before the torture and so he couldn't escape somehow when guards were not watching because they didn't expect a dead body to escape. Remeber the scene with the burnt paper, where father said to Rafal: "You should watch until it's completely burnt" and I hope that will be the plot 🙏
Oct 17, 2024 3:04 AM

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First two episodes bored me a lot but this episode was just perfect. The dialogue in this anime is very well written and the final scene literally gave me goosebumps. 10 year timeskip let's see what happens next.
Oct 17, 2024 4:33 AM

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oh I liked this twist
Oct 17, 2024 4:46 AM
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Ain’t no way they just fucking pumped faked us with a fake MC mannnnnn this shit hurted dawg I was truly ready to see Rafal spend the next 30 years of his life proving to the world that the Heliocentric model is the true model but no bro died and we got a 10 time skip so quickly I’m sadden that bros gone now hopefully bro managed to escape from the flames or something😢😢😢🥺🥺🥺 (THIS IS JUST WISHFUL COPING FROM ME DONT PAY IT ANY ATTENTION😭)

On this episode gave me To Your Eternity type vibes with the sad and tragic death of our MC I’m happy as well that bro went out as a real nigga and tortured his would be torturer, he had that man Novak shitting his pants in fear hahaha🤣

While Novak was scared I can’t forget that that man is truly scary with how his voice is still the same after threatening you with torture like bro is next level sadistic man

I wonder where this 10 year timeskip is going to take us? And how did those guys find Rafal’s stash I need the next episode NOW man😩🙏🏽
Oct 17, 2024 10:44 AM
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He is death. I really don´t know what will be next ,but I love it.
Oct 17, 2024 1:56 PM
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Fantastic, amazing
Oct 17, 2024 3:42 PM

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Wow, manga readers must be reading this thread with the largest grin on their face!!

I'm so shocked that Rafal died! I really thought he was going to stay alive. They even burned him too, for good measure! I haven't been this excited to see where the story goes since Vinland Saga.
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Oct 17, 2024 8:17 PM
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actually wild i did NOT see that shit coming
Oct 17, 2024 10:45 PM

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Yeah talk about a major swerve, I was thinking that Rafal was going to lie and get through university while being more incognito about his heliocentric research, damn. This type of surprise has happened once before to me in another anime called

I'm curious to see where this goes from here as I think other characters will take over Hubert's and Rafal's research.
Oct 17, 2024 10:46 PM
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really surprising and inspirational
Oct 18, 2024 3:37 AM

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Honestly, this anime is just ridiculous.

Nobody was burn at stake in the 15th century for subscriving to the theory of heliocentrism for purely logical and scientific reasons. You got problems only if you start speaking out against the major dogmas of Christianity, and heliocentrism is NOT one of them. That's why Copernicus lived a peaceful life despite working on the theory of heliocentrism and even sending his books to the pope (who didn't particularly think anything about it), while Giordano Bruno was sentenced to death because he wrote ideas like reincarnation of the soul or Jesus being not God.

It seems like the mangaka didn't care about finding out how people lived and thought in the 15th century to write such a ridiculous story. I'm okay with works of fiction set in historical context, but you have to do your research first to avoid writing, well, bullshit. A story set in a historical context doesn't have to be perfectly historically accurate, but at least it shouldn't give a blatantly false view of the reality of said historical context.

Let's just talk about the discussion between the boy and the inquisitor about death. Boy starts to quote ancient philosophers about nobody knowing what is death, and so on. Come on, we are supposed to watch a story set in Europe, in the 15th century, when everybody believed that a man named Jesus died, descended into Hell where he freed Adam, Abraham etc, then was resurrected. Actually, everybody at the time think they know what is death, because everybody have faith. You just don't ask yourself what is death, or what happens after death, in the 15th century in Europe.

Characters in this anime are behaving like today's people, and sometimes particularly like today's Japanese people (like the boy in episode 1 saying "you're like a god", like he was living in a Shinto society). To write a good story set in a context far from your cultural and historical time, you need to do a lot of work, a lot of research, or else you just write something mediocre and not believable. Unfortunatey, mangaka didn't even try to do that.

Biggest problem, however, is that there are still people in the anime community thinking that the "reality" depicted in this anime is true because it reminds them vaguely of clichés about the Middle Age, and then are going to recommend watching it. It's okay believing in clichés until somebody opens your mind and shows that said clichés are totally false. But the lazy author of Orb doesn't do that, it's even worse, he or she continues to spread these clichés. So please, let's not label his work as good and well written when it is just not the case.
Oct 18, 2024 5:11 AM

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The level of writing of this show is really high. When I first started watching this anime, I didn't know it would be so...good. This third episode is the best one so far. I hope it continues to be this good.

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Oct 18, 2024 5:19 AM
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Honestly, this anime is just ridiculous.

Nobody was burn at stake in the 15th century for subscriving to the theory of heliocentrism for purely logical and scientific reasons. You got problems only if you start speaking out against the major dogmas of Christianity, and heliocentrism is NOT one of them. That's why Copernicus lived a peaceful life despite working on the theory of heliocentrism and even sending his books to the pope (who didn't particularly think anything about it), while Giordano Bruno was sentenced to death because he wrote ideas like reincarnation of the soul or Jesus being not God.

It seems like the mangaka didn't care about finding out how people lived and thought in the 15th century to write such a ridiculous story. I'm okay with works of fiction set in historical context, but you have to do your research first to avoid writing, well, bullshit. A story set in a historical context doesn't have to be perfectly historically accurate, but at least it shouldn't give a blatantly false view of the reality of said historical context.

Let's just talk about the discussion between the boy and the inquisitor about death. Boy starts to quote ancient philosophers about nobody knowing what is death, and so on. Come on, we are supposed to watch a story set in Europe, in the 15th century, when everybody believed that a man named Jesus died, descended into Hell where he freed Adam, Abraham etc, then was resurrected. Actually, everybody at the time think they know what is death, because everybody have faith. You just don't ask yourself what is death, or what happens after death, in the 15th century in Europe.

Characters in this anime are behaving like today's people, and sometimes particularly like today's Japanese people (like the boy in episode 1 saying "you're like a god", like he was living in a Shinto society). To write a good story set in a context far from your cultural and historical time, you need to do a lot of work, a lot of research, or else you just write something mediocre and not believable. Unfortunatey, mangaka didn't even try to do that.

Biggest problem, however, is that there are still people in the anime community thinking that the "reality" depicted in this anime is true because it reminds them vaguely of clichés about the Middle Age, and then are going to recommend watching it. It's okay believing in clichés until somebody opens your mind and shows that said clichés are totally false. But the lazy author of Orb doesn't do that, it's even worse, he or she continues to spread these clichés. So please, let's not label his work as good and well written when it is just not the case.
@EckhartPilgrim its not meant to be historically accurate, its more like a alternate history fantasy.
Oct 18, 2024 7:11 AM
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Loving how the story is moving forward. Quite interested to see what's next.
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Wow, okay, I’m used were left flat on the ground, did we just see our MC die in three episodes? Was it supposed to be this kind of show?

Seriously though, that whole dialogue with the detective was on point and the moonshade created that eerie atmosphere. Can’t contain the truth, am I right

It was amazing to see the deep dive into his mindset though. Poor father couldn’t save his child after all. Where’s this going now?
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Oct 18, 2024 2:28 PM
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Three episodes in , and the story takes a drastic turn of events. Reminds me that the story revolves around the theory, and not the character/s per se. So, who will take up the cudgels of Rafal next?
Oct 18, 2024 3:13 PM

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This episode was crazy from start to finish, there were some crazy twists that i never saw coming. Rafal's speech moved me to tears, and the ending left me genuinely awestruck. :0 This was a beautiful start, I'm super excited to see where this story goes, and I think it will definitely be an underdog of this season! ^-^
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Oct 19, 2024 3:13 AM
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well, that was fast
Oct 19, 2024 7:36 AM
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Well, RIP first MC. It was really good arc. Would be actually cool idea if anime will have few arcs with different MCs slowly building one theory over time
Oct 19, 2024 10:11 AM
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Do we have any reaction regarding this anime from the Catholic Church in Japan? Did they put it on the Index Prohibitorium? Are the japanese faithful able to watch it without committing sin?
(I know very few japanese christians remained in the aftermath of Nagasaki and Hiroshima nuking but I think there is one japanese government minister, a lady who is practicing catholic, so they still have presence in the society.)
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Adizcool said:
I think it's cause Nowak was trying to find evidence to catch him, since it is pretty clear he was suspicious of Rafal from episode 2. But as we know from Potocki, he could not find any and so directly confronted him to ascertain the truth. And Hubert's necklace and Rafal's reaction gave it away that he was still continuing his research.


Why did it take so much time between their inital meeting until Nowak went in to hound Rafal and question Potocki? If Nowak was so certain that Rafal was already in cahoots with Hubert he should have made it his top priority, specially since someone that had been involved in heresy readings/teachings could have fled town and start a new somewhere else. This feels like pretty bad forced drama.

Adizcool said:
And they do not give away poppy seeds to prisoners lol. If you watch the episode carefully, Rafal had a feeling that he might be turned in to the inquisitors by Potocki when he asked him about heliocentrism and heard Rafal's answer. So he prepared the pouch on him just in case. We even see him hiding the pouch on him before he goes to sleep.


I watched the episode carefully (I love it when fanboys think they have some sort of gotcha argument). Rafal never had any internal monologue that would state he was fearful of getting handed to the inquisitors. In fact his relationship with Potocki was pretty solid, he forgave him several times when he was disobedient of the strict rules. Potocki wasn't going to hand him anyway (specially since he was a heretic that had to recant his statements), it was all due to the forced and badly written introduction of Nowak.

I'll just humor you and will play a hypotetical scenario. You don't think that these ruthless inquisitors hadn't met another wise guy before Rafal that would have kept any suspicious belonging that would aid him into killing themselves before being tormented to death? Frisking the fresh to be tortured prisoner should had been their priority once they had him ion custody. This is as cheap as it is as contrived and pure writer's convenience as Gaby using a loosen brick to smack the only guard in a whole prison wing in Attack on Titan.

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And finally, going against the authority is not a Shonen trope, it is a storytelling trope. Not just in anime, but even many of the literatures greatest pieces have it's characters rise up to the status quo. Would you call them shonen as well? What a strange thing to try and critique a story for.



This is where you should really focus on proper reading rather than make terrible argumentations. I never said that going against the authority was a exclusively a shonen trope, I did it in a mocking way given how common it is in terms of storytelling in that demographic to shock and awe the gullible preteens and claim "that's a badass character, I wanna be like him when I grow older".

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Especially when the story has built Rafal's character enough that it makes sense for him to do that.


Quite the opposite. His character was established as someone that kept his head low and didn't want to get in trouble with anyone by sticking to the rules no matter how unfair they were, it was even in his very first monologues about being a crowd pleaser among the class. His sudden change and martyr role in just a few days goes against his whole character that was built upon years of societal repression.

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I do agree on the animation though. It is pretty lacking on that front. But since it is a dialogue based anime with great direction and story boarding, I don't think it is that important.


The storyboarding is just as average as it's animation. My original point wasn't that it was important, it was that the other guy was overreacting about the quality of the animation by saying "it's accurate to the source" which is absolutely plain non sense as some sort of animation quality measurement.

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And given the reception of the past 3 episodes, I think most people agree.


The reception is just as average as the story and the animation. If the numbers of people jumped drastically after episode 3 based on MAL numbers or other viewership in other sites you would have a point, but it's really not.

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It keeps getting better.
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Novak popping out of nowhere to harass Rafal feels so forced and out of place. At least the Simpsons made it a comical satire, in here the author couldn't give a proper reasoning for Novak to hound him after several days or even weeks had passed since their last encounter. If Novak felt he was corrupted by Hubert's teachings in episode 2, why did he wait until now to continue his hounding?

Also, do they hand out poppy seeds to heretic prisoners? I feel that they would want to avoid these priosoners to kill themselves before being tortured and burnt alive. I see no other way why would Rafal had poppy seeds in the first place. And if they plan to make it a huge ruse with a fake death later on, that's a stinkier diaper full of poo worse than the historical innacuracies.

Rafal tearing down the deal given him by the church was only lacking upbeat J-rock music to cement the shonen tropes of younguns defying the unfair status quo established by big bad mean adults. Thank god this is a seinen, am I right guys? /s

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The animation looks amazing just see the manga and anime difference


Like where?

It's not bad, but it's very average. Any knowledgeable guy that knows about animation wouldn't call it amazing. Just because they are being faithful to adapting the panels of the manga that does not equal to amazing animation.
@Kimurah I read the intention behind the resolution to read less straightfowardly than you might have. Yes, he really "stuck it to the man", emphasized by his final interaction, but I also think there's an intentional element of madness to it. A decision made out of blind passion and partially youthful impulsivity. I don't think we're meant to take it purely as some heroic act of martyrdom or the tone read solely as badass defiance. These people may pursue truth, but they are still fanatical and selfishly motivated, and they refuse to deny what they love, they have faith, it mirrors the religious faction intentionally. Love makes people act crazy, which goes for both Novak and Rafal, and Novak's distress is very easy to sympathize with. Unlike a typical antagonist in that scenario, it's easy to intepret his flusteredness more as concern than indignation at blaspheming or being outdone. He has a daughter, he doesn't want to hurt a child. He probably thought he could still save him by convincing him he wanted to recant, and was a little heartbroken that he wouldn't have that chance.

The poppy seeds are a transparent contrivance and Novak's character is definitely wasted potential and flattens the tone (he had some hinted depth and symbolic value but he also is more of a plot device). I am somewhat convinced this show has superficial elements, but the themes and characters are written to be interrogated.
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No way. Is Rafal really dead and now we are following new characters? I loved Rafal though! He was so relatable. His struggle with doing what’s best for him vs what’s best for society was so powerful, and it resonated with me. I hope we find out he was able to survive or something, but it’s kinda cool that the theme of truth passes on from one person to another. I’m hyped for the next episode! (10/10)
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