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Feb 21, 7:55 AM

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NGL I came a little bit late to this episode, but the only thing I have to say is : "Confusion of the Highest Order"

How does this slot into the lore/canon with GT and Super now?

Also, Akira Toriyama could not see this with us ;(
Feb 21, 11:22 AM

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We can all guess what the wish was but I liked the tension in the scene.
Feb 21, 11:53 AM
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That doesn’t make sense but GREAT FIGHT!! That upside down kamehameha was EPIC
Feb 21, 1:57 PM

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Some of the best animation out there bundled with one of the best reveals out there that canonizes a fan fav form.
Feb 21, 2:58 PM
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When I saw that red skin on Goku, I immediately understood. SSJ4! Confirmed a moment later. Goosebumps!
The only aspect I did not like as much are the hands and the way he is brought to transform. Hopefully, they will show how Neva has such awakening power because, as it is right now, it seems just a utilitarian way to get to the transformation quickly.
I feel the scene in GT when Goku transforms from the golden Oozaru is much more meaningful and touching.
Loved Glorio's moment at the end which I think preludes his betrayal of Arinsu.
Sensational episode! Historic, I would even dare to say.
Feb 21, 3:05 PM
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HOLY SHIT WHAT AN EPISODE!! Thank you Toriyama sensei, it’s almost as if he knew this would be his last project and wanted to canonise some of the things fans have wanted for YEARS. SSJ3 Vegeta and then SSJ4 GOKU?!!!! Cmon this series has been fucking incredible!! This entire episode was just a pure sakuga fest with my jaw on the floor from Goku’s transformation onwards.

But holy shit how strong is Gomah?? Literally broke decades worth of power scaling in one episode. Him pushing SSJ4 Goku and coming back bigger and stronger means he’s on par with Baby, Super 18 he’ll even omega shenron. It’s unthinkable that much power was on buddy’s belt for the entire season and he traded it for a damn hat lmao

Lol at Purunga flicking Gomah away like a damn mosquito, shows you how strong the dragon is

That last word Glorio used had “child” in it so he probably turned them back into adults, no? Can’t wait for next ep

People crying about retcons and shit have to understand that Toriyama just didn’t have this shit all planned out 30,20 or even 10 years ago. Any long running show is gonna have changes like this especially with all the cool movies they’ve had over the years. Just be glad and enjoy shit we’ll figure out how it all slots in later lol. Give us Janemba and Cooler next!
@Marinate1016
I was also happy to see many aspects of GT integrated in Daima but we should really stop talking about canonizations etc. There is no such a thing in Japanese products. They talk about gensaku which means "fundamental" or "original" product. Which in this case is the manga.
That is it.
That is the most important version which should be regarded as a starting point.
Everything else, from Z to GT and even Daima and Super are ALL secondary even if they follow or not the manga and could be seen in whichever way and used freely by whoever owns rights according to them. There should not be any hierarchy, even less a moral one that is held a priori, for secondary products. They are derivatives etc.
Feb 21, 5:42 PM
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Akira Toriyama should be rolling in his grave with whoever wrote this crap (I refused to believe he wrote this).

SSJ3 Vegeta? SSJ4 Goku? What's next? the mythical SSJ5 with Ultra Instinct included? Makes no damn sense anymore.. and I feel whoever is running this has killed the Dragon Ball franchise with this episode and show overall. There is no continuity at all, everything is just fan-service with no care for what came before or after in DB history. There is no just explanation for anything.

Dragon Ball is now officially dead to me after this crappy show. I had my suspicions that they might fuck it up after Toriyama passed away, but damn.. they took no time at all.
@Wallenwhatsit the only thing he is rolling in (in his grave) is the money. After Super you think he CARED about the story? Money baybeeeee!

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Feb 21, 5:51 PM
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@Marinate1016 As if George RR Martin ever ACTUALLY finishes ANYTHING that is a long project.

I mean dragon ball isn’t finished either lol. But regardless the point was just retcons which HOTD has a ton of
@Marinate1016 Dragon Ball was finished like 35 years ago or so. Everything shat out now is corporate media content slop.

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Feb 21, 6:12 PM
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I know one of you speaks Namekian, what did Glorio wish for?
@Sexyjutsu It's only got as many words as are ever used in a handful of scenes it's spoken, some of which are clearly gags just for the sake of being funny and mostly are just dragon wishes. You cannot speak it because it's not a language beyond use in plot, you can only try to guess based on previous times it was used.

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Feb 22, 5:08 AM
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RIP Toriyama created such masterpice. Also hope we get S2 in next decade
Feb 25, 12:38 AM
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Oh my goodness it's happening Super Saiyan 4 😱😱😱
Feels like an asspull but fck it!!
I love this 🀣

ABSOLUTE CINEMA πŸ™Œ

THANK YOU TORIYAMA SENSEI πŸ™πŸ™πŸ™

And of course Glorio gonna wish for Goku and everyone else back to adult again.
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Feb 26, 11:37 AM

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They turned back let's gooo
Feb 27, 1:36 AM
πŸ₯Š CHAMPION πŸ₯Š

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Glorio has woken up Popporunga!
Wish?
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Feb 28, 11:38 AM
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I don't like DBGT, I didn't want to see this transformation.
Mar 4, 3:45 PM
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ssj4 was too random and kinda useless(in a way it didnt defeat gomah) still peak tho
Mar 5, 6:08 PM
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@deg Vegeta does not care about ssj3 thats why he isnt using it cuz of how draining it is

and goku cant transform to ssj4 without neva (although its not ssj4 likely just a new form that is based on it)
@HyperSonic1271 next episode showed how he transformed without neva lol
Mar 15, 10:30 PM

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Yea... as I previously said

The author considered "GT" to be canon, but majority of fanbase doesn't.

So with that interview of the author saying Daima is based off of GT, he's pretty much solidifying the author's statement that GT is canon by making Daima a "canon" in between Kai and Supers.

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However, the author also mentioned that there might be some inconsistencies. Such as Vegeta's SSJ3 and Goku's SSJ4, as they're not in any of the future "Supers" series that takes place after Daima.

Especially as Goku did in fact (as someone posted of manga source) mention SSJ3 was the furthest he could go before SSJ Blue (god). SSJ4 technically didn't exist according to manga Goku. But that was also before Daima's storyline was made.
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Apr 1, 8:36 AM
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Bruh I wished i didn't leave this show on hold till now, as I would have been so excited seeing SSJ4 become canon through this show.
Damn shame I waited so long and got spoilered, but nothing but my own fault there.

Still so damn cool seeing another version of SSJ4 transformation.


Apr 5, 12:26 AM

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Man, I'm bummed that I knew about SSJ4 before. There would have been so much more tension in Goku losing at SSJ3 and then Nevah's power up would have been a mystery...plus the hype as it became clear what the transformation was.

But no, multiple people had to post about it on social media the day that the episode aired, INCLUDING BANDAI.

Still, good episode and I'm excited to see how it ends.
Apr 9, 8:44 AM

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Did a Namekian just turn Goku into SSJ4? What timeline is this?
Glorio did not say her name, I wonder what that means, hmmmmmmmmmmm...
Apr 15, 9:44 AM

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What an unbelievable episode, looks as if they saved up all the budget for this one. One of the best transformation scenes they have and fight scenes looked slick too. Well worth the slow build up. (yes SSJ4 doesn't make much sense, but I don't take this shows lore too seriously anyway)
Apr 29, 3:16 AM
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That was quite the fight against Gomah with SSJ4 Goku though that end what a cliffhanger we'll see if Glorio really betrayed them or not
May 9, 2:12 PM

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This was an awesome episode. It's been a while since I've seen Goku rocking red fur in an anime. Welcome back SSJ4!!!! So freaking amazing that it's in a show written by toriyama. It's canon now!

Also I must add Duu was rocking that ssj3 hair.
May 9, 5:03 PM
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So what the hell did Neva do? Did he awaken Goku’s inner potential like Grand Elder Guru did for Krillin and Gohan back on Namek? That’s what I’m guessing, and at first Goku was clapping Gomah’s cheeks (NO HOMO), but the Tursian Oculus keeps increasing Gomah’s power allowing him to overcome any difference in power. This new form looks like Super Saiyan 4, but I’m not calling it that unless there’s confirmation that’s what it’s called.

Vegeta seems to be too beat up to join in the fight, and I’m wondering why he didn’t go Super Saiyan 3 prior to getting knocked down back in the last episode. Duu straight up copied Super Saiyan 3, but it didn’t last long because the chocolate cookie’s energy ran out. That was straight up disappointing. It reminds me how Buu fell asleep during the Universe 6 vs. Universe 7 Tournament and shortly before the Tournament of Power. He simply does not come in clutch, despite being so much of a threat back in DBZ. That’s just another trope, when the villain/antagonist become a good guy they become WORTHLESS, but Vegeta isn’t like that though.

Arinsu makes her move and apparently, she had Glorio learn Namekian to make the wish. Considering that Neva is shocked about this revelation, I’m assuming that Glorio learned it from some books? If that is the case, WHY DIDN’T ARINSU LEARN IT HERSELF AS WELL?! She could have learned it to ensure that she made the wish herself and not leave room for error.

My guess is that Glorio got attached to Goku and the crew and instead made the wish to return Goku and his friends back to normal. Considering that the next episode is called Betrayal, it’s a possibility, or I’m wrong and it’s focusing on Glorio actually betraying the group.

For dub watchers, both Episodes 19 and 20 will be released next week. In other words, we’ll get two episodes in one.

I’m excited to see this conclude, but again, WHY DIDN’T ANYONE THINK ABOUT GOING TO NAMEK?! AND ALSO, WHICH IS THE DEMON REALM DRAGON ALSO NAMED PORUNGA?! I’m guessing that the Porunga on Namek used a model from the Demon Realm, similar to how Dende used a Shenron model to restore Shenron back in DBZ.
May 9, 5:06 PM
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This was an awesome episode. It's been a while since I've seen Goku rocking red fur in an anime. Welcome back SSJ4!!!! So freaking amazing that it's in a show written by toriyama. It's canon now!

Also I must add Duu was rocking that ssj3 hair.
@Magicmist First of all, Toriyama has nothing to do with this since this is an ANIME, not a manga. Secondly, Daima logically can't be canon to DBS for multiple reasons (Shenron only granting one wish to first timers, Nahare and Kibito being unfused BECAUSE of the acids in Buu's body implying that the Potara fusion for non Kais is permanent, Goku and the gang knowing about the existence of other universes due to Nahare's explanation, but acting surprised in DBS, and likely more, but that's just from my immediate recollection).
May 9, 5:07 PM
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Did a Namekian just turn Goku into SSJ4? What timeline is this?
Glorio did not say her name, I wonder what that means, hmmmmmmmmmmm...
@Gator He likely unlocked Goku's full potential like Guru did for Krillin and Gohan.
May 9, 5:11 PM
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NGL I came a little bit late to this episode, but the only thing I have to say is : "Confusion of the Highest Order"

How does this slot into the lore/canon with GT and Super now?

Also, Akira Toriyama could not see this with us ;(
@Dudi4PoLFr Logically Daima can't be canon to DBS due to things revealed within just the first episode alone.


  • Shenron only giving one wish to newcomers
  • Nahare and Kibito being unfused, and due to Buu's acids, implying that the Potara fusion for non Kais is permanent
  • Goku, Bulma, Vegeta, and Piccolo knowing about the existence of other universes, but Goku and Vegeta are shocked when they hear this in DBS (this isn't from the first episode)
May 9, 6:00 PM

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Great, now this is super gt lol. with a mix of THE PRIDE TEAM FROM UNIVERSE 11 in gomaa's outfit and the mini SSYJ4 transformation *facepalm* 1/5. only two more episodes left!

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May 9, 10:15 PM
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Wow just wow SUPER SAIYAN 4 IS HERE and he looks so good!! Stephanie Nadolny did a fantastic job for the role as Super Saiyan 4 (mini) and it was awesome just seeing her do other voice ranges this time!!
May 10, 4:38 PM
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The battle against Gomah continues and Goku gets a new powerup because of course he does. Even so, the episode did a pretty good job at keeping me at the edge of my seat, partially because the action is very good and mostly because the story took the time to elevate the stakes, which is what every good story should do.
May 11, 6:08 AM
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May 11, 11:15 AM
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Really would've liked to react to this episode as it happened instead of finding out about it months ago and waiting months for the dub.
May 11, 3:02 PM

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The animation was the best—loved the camera angles and how smooth it was, just like SSJ4’s face.

There are a few things that make absolutely no sense at all, like the power scaling. Then we have Goku, who's supposed to be taking more damage, yet somehow can still keep fighting, while Vegeta got his ass handed to him so hard he can’t even stand—meanwhile, the others just flew off!

Vegeta once again is being left behind—a form that Goku has now mastered, SSJ4. Guess we’ve got our new meme material after Vegeta finally broke free of the SSJ3 one after transferring into it.

Loved how Duu mimicked Goku, even down to the hair—it was like we had two SSJ3s out on the battlefield. Or the part where his gas ran out after powering up from that chocolate cookie. And then when Gomah was easily sent flying by Porunga, that was gold.

Still don’t get why Glorio is working for Arinsu or what he’s gaining from it, especially when his face clearly showed he doesn’t like the idea of Arinsu being a dictator. And dude can even speak Namekian, impressive.
May 31, 4:10 PM

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Duu copying Goku's SSJ3 and growing 'hair' caught me off guard lol. Gomah has so much plot armor though :<
Jul 4, 2:55 AM

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Sheesh Goku going sicko mode but that third eye is something. Then that got diffed by the dragon at the end lmao. I know Glorio is gonna pull thru in the end, he's a real one. Wouldn't have had that flashback otherwise lol.

Never ending plan to watch list...

Jul 24, 5:24 PM

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Super Saiyan 4 ... officially in the main series!
That primal Kamehameha was beautiful.

Gee I do wonder if Glorio made the wish to turn everyone back to their normal selves after realizing the goodness in his heart x)
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