| I feel the same way about JRPGs and certain video games (especially the gacha ones). There's always a character or two that wears the skimpiest outfit for no practical reason at all. Like I'm playing Final Fantasy Vii remake and am wondering why the fuck a ninja character is dressed in a tight crop top and short shorts. |
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Why so much unneeded sexualisation in anime? ... Because Men are more Sexually Frustrated than Ever?!? |
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@Zarutaku
to learn what? that men are swine and only care about boobs? i dont think thats the truth for all of us and i can only hope that media stops supporting portraying men as animals who only live to cater their drives..
to learn what? that men are swine and only care about boobs? i dont think thats the truth for all of us and i can only hope that media stops supporting portraying men as animals who only live to cater their drives..
| @Wrathberry84 You should read some girly books. I think you would find it eye opening. |
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I feel the same way about JRPGs and certain video games (especially the gacha ones). There's always a character or two that wears the skimpiest outfit for no practical reason at all. Like I'm playing Final Fantasy Vii remake and am wondering why the fuck a ninja character is dressed in a tight crop top and short shorts.
| @Runasius like the entire FF7R party is basically in normal street clothes, and a crop top and shorts is, street clothes. like idk what to say here. |
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Damn 2.5d Ririsa doesn't need fan-service to make it good. I am not for censorship but saying it's bad because it his less horny than manga is crazy talk.
The anime is carried by drama not ecchi.
Very bad example
The anime is carried by drama not ecchi.
Very bad example
| @WaterMage Let's cover up all their erotic cosplay then. Their bare tummy and short skirt of their cosplay distracts me from appreciating their modest cosplay and drama (? Drama isn't everything either. It's bad because it doesn't respect the aesthetic of the original. No, worse, it abhors it. |
GnzaJan 4, 5:19 AM
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Your most recently watched series are pure pretty boy anime. Men are the same way except with a preference to pretty girls. The male sex drive is greater than the female sex drive thus the demand for sex is increased in male catered series.
Also, men like fertility and purity. This is why men have a huge preference for teenagers and schoolgirls.
The average age to have a kid 1000 years ago was 15. Literally in our biology
Also, men like fertility and purity. This is why men have a huge preference for teenagers and schoolgirls.
The average age to have a kid 1000 years ago was 15. Literally in our biology
rohan121 said: The average age to have a kid 1000 years ago was 15. Literally in our biology Yeah... the avarage lifespan was also 30-40 1000 years ago It's not men who prefere teenagers, it's perverted men AND women who prefere teenagers |
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@Zarutaku i beg to differ.
sex is totaly normal and fine. And to show characters sexualised is fine too when it fits. And thats my point.
but: the problem is not that sexuality is shown, the problem is how it is shown.
the better analogy would be if you have a show about a high school romance, where every person constantly have a bento in their hands, no matter the situation.
i dont have a problem with showing boobs, when 2 characters have sex or something like that. In the right situation its totaly okay for me to show "sex".
My problem is if every single situation needs to be as sexualised as possible, no matter if the characters are talking normal, just walking down the street or whatever.
An even bigger problem i have is if anime like fairy tail for example create complete out of context situations, just to have a chance to show their femal cast nearly naked or in seductive positions.
sex is totaly normal and fine. And to show characters sexualised is fine too when it fits. And thats my point.
but: the problem is not that sexuality is shown, the problem is how it is shown.
the better analogy would be if you have a show about a high school romance, where every person constantly have a bento in their hands, no matter the situation.
i dont have a problem with showing boobs, when 2 characters have sex or something like that. In the right situation its totaly okay for me to show "sex".
My problem is if every single situation needs to be as sexualised as possible, no matter if the characters are talking normal, just walking down the street or whatever.
An even bigger problem i have is if anime like fairy tail for example create complete out of context situations, just to have a chance to show their femal cast nearly naked or in seductive positions.
Wrathberry84 said: Easier said than done, writers would be forced to think up justified scenarios for every sexy scene, that would massively disrupt the writing process and probably reduce the quality of the remaining content.sex is totaly normal and fine. And to show characters sexualised is fine too when it fits. And thats my point. Wrathberry84 said: That sounds hilarious, I would approve of it.the better analogy would be if you have a show about a high school romance, where every person constantly have a bento in their hands, no matter the situation. Wrathberry84 said: That's a bad faith exaggeration, there are only few anime this extreme.My problem is if every single situation needs to be as sexualised as possible, no matter if the characters are talking normal, just walking down the street or whatever. |
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@DigiCat
the difference i see: the "bl/josei" genre is specifialy about sexualisation of boys and men.
so if i watch something like that, i would never complain about it.
That would be like watching titanic and complaining about the ship sinking in the end.
BUT: the shounen and romance genre have nothing to do with the sexualisation of women from a thematic point of view.
"that time i got reinacarnated as a slime" is a good story and has nothig to do with oversexualisation of women storywise. but still i constantly need to see shion putting her boobs on rimurus head for no reason at all which pulls me really out of enjoying the show for everything else.
the difference i see: the "bl/josei" genre is specifialy about sexualisation of boys and men.
so if i watch something like that, i would never complain about it.
That would be like watching titanic and complaining about the ship sinking in the end.
BUT: the shounen and romance genre have nothing to do with the sexualisation of women from a thematic point of view.
"that time i got reinacarnated as a slime" is a good story and has nothig to do with oversexualisation of women storywise. but still i constantly need to see shion putting her boobs on rimurus head for no reason at all which pulls me really out of enjoying the show for everything else.
| @Wrathberry84 And here comes the logic bending argument Yes there are certain BL and josei shows (as there are of any other demographic/genre) that have sex appeal as their main theme... but that is in no way a staple of either BL or josei Ignoring hentai and erotica, the only genre where sex appeal is ingrained in it is ecchi Servamp, a josei, does not need to put it's characters in suggestive situations to push foward the story, the same way Full Metal Panic, a shounen, does not need to put it's characters in suggestive situations to push foward the story Both shows do so purely cuz, as the age old saying goes, sex sells In essence, both anime are exactly the same with how they use fanservice (in fact, i'd argue the opposite of what you claim, as a josei sexualizing teen characters is slightly worse than a shounen doing so, considering the target audience of josei is adult women, where's shounen's is teen boys), though neither show really goes beyong horny gag humor |
Zarutaku said: Easier said than done, writers would be forced to think up justified scenarios for every sexy scene, that would massively disrupt the writing process and probably reduce the quality of the remaining content. He does sort of have a point there, there is a lot of smut out there where the characters dress modestly, until they just don't. |
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Zarutaku said:
Easier said than done, writers would be forced to think up justified scenarios for every sexy scene, that would massively disrupt the writing process and probably reduce the quality of the remaining content.
Easier said than done, writers would be forced to think up justified scenarios for every sexy scene, that would massively disrupt the writing process and probably reduce the quality of the remaining content.
He does sort of have a point there, there is a lot of smut out there where the characters dress modestly, until they just don't.
| @JaniSIr That would require a sudden character design change, I doubt there are lots of anime where this happens. Do you have popular examples? |
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Wrathberry84 said: I talk about sexualisation of especialy young girls and women in anime where it has nothing to do with the plot and does not do anything for the anime. This seems more like a marketing strategy. As an example an Author might create a character who is purposely dressed up in an extremely revealing garb that is unrealistic such as a metal bikini. They do this to appeal to a really particular type of otaku who would normally not be interested in such a story. It reminds me of animated movies trying to target kids and young children that purposely throw in the random extremely attractive and provocative looking female character simply as eye candy for a child's father. I can't count how many times I have taken my daughter in the past when she was still a very young child to see something like a random Pixar movie and can instantly notice when something like this is thrown in the film. Where such a character serves no real purpose to the plot of the film. lol |
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@WaterMage Let's cover up all their erotic cosplay then. Their bare tummy and short skirt of their cosplay distracts me from appreciating their modest cosplay and drama (?
Drama isn't everything either. It's bad because it doesn't respect the aesthetic of the original. No, worse, it abhors it.
Drama isn't everything either. It's bad because it doesn't respect the aesthetic of the original. No, worse, it abhors it.
| @Gnza yes it's just "Manga is better" mob mentality. I am not saying it's ok to censor all. I rather prefer if it goes all in. But the fact is that it doesn't take away from the main thing about the story. If you think it will be good without that then what's left? A generic ecchi harem with a dense as mc which people can self insert. Like there's lack of that. The cosplay and everything related to it and how the girls do it, how Ririsa reach his goal is what unique. This is where characters shine. I do agree with need of erotic cosplay but it's not like it's completely removed. I am no expert but these dresses are plenty sexy for me. By reducing ecchi it can actually increase audiance pool. I know why ecchi fans are angry and I also don't like this but that's how capitalism works. People who will be here good story won't be that open to wait if there's excessive fan-service. As I said I don't favour censorship but this anime is a horrible example, the girls are sexualised which is needed for the story so why it's not more it's not loyal to manga it is what is, I for one don't care. Something like Cafe Terrance, Ranma 1/2 has it worse with censorship. |
WaterMageJan 4, 7:27 AM
Wrathberry84 said: The argument that the target audience are teenage boys is fine (is it really for a show like that time i fot reincarnated as a slime?). But why the sexualisation at all? It's to sell stuff like official body pillows of the characters half naked and expensive sexualized figurines to a particular type of otaku. I can't count how many times I have shopped for Anime online and end up stumbling upon stuff like a "Shion" figurine as an example posed trying to put on a pair of pants with her ass hanging out showing off her panties. lol Wrathberry84 said: Boys are fine with just good fights and cool characters. Why do adults need to teach them to look at girls like fresh meat? This type of conditioning goes way beyond just Japanese Anime. You can point to Western music and see how such a conditioning is embedded in media entertainment in general and it has always been this way since the 60s. Where Pop stars are singing and dancing in 60s micro skirts to clothing that basically equates to just wearing a bikini. Wrathberry84 said: And btw: i would be totaly fine if 14 year olds would argue with me, that they want to see pantys of 14 year olds. But it really feels weird for adults to defend that to be honest... Japan is just a different culture where only up until recently the age of consent use to be 13. So the exploitation of young girls in fiction was just a norm when it comes to girls as young as 13 when it's just simply briefly exposing their panties. It will take at least a full generation for Japan to get use to such a change where it even it took girls gym bloomers in their general media entertainment to slowly fade out as a norm as girls gym garb once they were no longer required as gym wear for girls. |
ColourWheelJan 4, 7:21 AM
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@WaterMage i tried reading the manga for an example of harem and try to see why people like the genre and I must say that even it wasn't that focused on fanservice after a pretty early point (either that or I just can't understand fanservice for some reason), the story did become better than expected though, not really my thing but pretty good for what it is
| @Guilmon1 I am shameless degen I love harem manga and don't mind if its filled with culture. But 2.5d Ririsa ANIME is one of the least harem type harems out there. This season didn't focused on harem at all until at very very end. The main focus is about cosplay like My dress up Darling only it does way better. @Wrathberry84 that doesn't mean it is right to censor. If people had watched it with open mind appreciating a story with or without excessive ecchi, it would have been easy to make things less censored but there isn't. This story is indeed about sexy cosplay and it's still ecchi just reduced. I just don't care about its more or less because how good the actual story is. |
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@JaniSIr That would require a sudden character design change, I doubt there are lots of anime where this happens. Do you have popular examples?
@Zarutaku If you think about it, characters in Redo of Healer dress pretty modestly once you ignore half the show where they are naked. lol Like tell me this doesn't look like one of those generic wholesome isekai shows. |
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WaterMage said:
am shameless degen I love harem manga and don't mind if its filled with culture.
But 2.5d Ririsa ANIME is one of the least harem type harems out there. This season didn't focused on harem at all until at very very end. The main focus is about cosplay like My dress up Darling only it does way better.
am shameless degen I love harem manga and don't mind if its filled with culture.
But 2.5d Ririsa ANIME is one of the least harem type harems out there. This season didn't focused on harem at all until at very very end. The main focus is about cosplay like My dress up Darling only it does way better.
Well, the marketing is a little misleading
| @Guilmon1 yes first 4-5 epsiode it will fill pretty generic but when story starts and main duo starts going to cosplay it gets really good. |
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@henwens i just said that i watch the show for the characters and really good story. And not to see naked 14 year olds.
So im happy that they toned down on that for the anime, since it totaly works like that and i probably wouldnt have watched it otherwise.
I still dont get why any adult would watch the anime or read the manga for that, im honest.
So im happy that they toned down on that for the anime, since it totaly works like that and i probably wouldnt have watched it otherwise.
I still dont get why any adult would watch the anime or read the manga for that, im honest.
| @Wrathberry84 I still dont get why any adult would watch the anime or read the manga for that, im honest. Seriously, you don’t know? Are you a woman? Or are you just asexual? It’s basically the same thing that drives us to explore our sexuality. There’s a lot of visual pleasure and satisfaction in sexual attraction, even if it doesn’t lead to masturbation or sex. Why do I want it in that specific manga? Because the playful, romantic, erotic and comedic context lends itself perfectly to that enjoyment, and cosplay is best experienced with the senses, not figuratively. |
| stop watching dumbass battle shonen made for 13 year old boys. problem solved. |
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JaniSIr said: @Zarutaku If you think about it, characters in Redo of Healer dress pretty modestly once you ignore half the show where they are naked. lol Like tell me this doesn't look like one of those generic wholesome isekai shows. I think most people who start Redo of Healer know what they're getting into, it's a designated sex show, so the characters getting naked isn't out of place. |
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JaniSIr said:
@Zarutaku If you think about it, characters in Redo of Healer dress pretty modestly once you ignore half the show where they are naked. lol
Like tell me this doesn't look like one of those generic wholesome isekai shows.
@Zarutaku If you think about it, characters in Redo of Healer dress pretty modestly once you ignore half the show where they are naked. lol
Like tell me this doesn't look like one of those generic wholesome isekai shows.
I think most people who start Redo of Healer know what they're getting into, it's a designated sex show, so the characters getting naked isn't out of place.
| @Zarutaku The whole conversation started here though. Wrathberry84 said: sex is totaly normal and fine. And to show characters sexualised is fine too when it fits. And thats my point. So basically the question is if you'd prefer mild panty shots all throughout the show (Freezing for example), or modestly dressed characters occasionally getting extremely spicy?  |
JaniSIr said: So basically the question is if you'd prefer mild panty shots all throughout the show (Freezing for example), or modestly dressed characters occasionally getting extremely spicy? Personally I much prefer the latter. |
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@Zarutaku The whole conversation started here though.
So basically the question is if you'd prefer mild panty shots all throughout the show (Freezing for example), or modestly dressed characters occasionally getting extremely spicy?
Wrathberry84 said:
sex is totaly normal and fine. And to show characters sexualised is fine too when it fits. And thats my point.
sex is totaly normal and fine. And to show characters sexualised is fine too when it fits. And thats my point.
So basically the question is if you'd prefer mild panty shots all throughout the show (Freezing for example), or modestly dressed characters occasionally getting extremely spicy?
| @JaniSIr things can get spicy. where i have a problem is, when characters are oversexualised in completly normal situations where its complelty worthless. i dont need the pantyshot when the girl is just walking down the street. and i also dont need half naked big boobed women everywhere when we look to the shounen genre. i just hate when it feels like the whole point of the women being there is for men to drool on their tiddys... |
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@JaniSIr
things can get spicy. where i have a problem is, when characters are oversexualised in completly normal situations where its complelty worthless.
i dont need the pantyshot when the girl is just walking down the street.
and i also dont need half naked big boobed women everywhere when we look to the shounen genre.
i just hate when it feels like the whole point of the women being there is for men to drool on their tiddys...
things can get spicy. where i have a problem is, when characters are oversexualised in completly normal situations where its complelty worthless.
i dont need the pantyshot when the girl is just walking down the street.
and i also dont need half naked big boobed women everywhere when we look to the shounen genre.
i just hate when it feels like the whole point of the women being there is for men to drool on their tiddys...
Wrathberry84 said: i just hate when it feels like the whole point of the women being there is for men to drool on their tiddys... i don't disagree with this op! and one thing that always annoyed me was when people called series sexist because it had boob armor, and ignored things like, "do the women in the story have interesting characters, and realistic motivations of their own" |
| in all seriousness one reason i always tended to hate accusations of anime sexism was exactly because, in my experience, anime was far more likely to have interesting women characters with fun personalities than most western shows I've seen. like ok they have big tits, is that really more important than them being good characters who do interesting things? |
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Basically the answer is a presumption that an audience mostly composed of heterosexual men or boys want to see essentially pornographic material at all times. I kind of get why someone would think we think like this, I do think about sex a lot, and back in the day when pornography was harder to access putting some softcore material in your anime could genuinely help garner an audience. Personally find it quite tiresome, though, it tends to take me out of the experience and remind me that I am watching something that's very much a product. I did come to appreciate the relentless horniness in Darling in the Franxx because that was earnestly and genuinely about teenage sexuality, however.
| @09philj Like he said. It's more profitable to do it. Nowadays, I just ignore anime where in the previews you can see it's a generic sexualised sh*t. And that removes a lot of the seasonal anime... |
Wrathberry84 said: i just really cant see the point of constant boobs, sex, pantys and so on. it just takes away from the story and the how serious you can take a work. I see this as the real issue for you. Japanese Anime was never intended to be some serious medium to begin with. Only about a fraction of Anime seems to be truly created to be some serious "thing". If you set yourself up to be expecting a majority of Japanese Anime to be on the level you seem to want, then I can already tell you right now it's likely never going to reach your expectation since it hasn't happened already in the late 90s or even the 2000s. |
ColourWheelJan 4, 8:15 AM
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Wrathberry84 said: But in my oppinion sex is a cheap way to promote something. And I wouldn't disagree with you on this. The thing is, it's effective and it sells. Stuff like this will only stop once it's no longer effective. |
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Hold my beer. You're talking like asstronomers and boobologists shouldn't conduct research on their field of study.  |
SgtBateManJan 4, 11:42 AM
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