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Reply to Ba-Cii10
Another class catch up....I think it's a great anime but at the same time not as good as people say, maybe if I watched it at the beginning of my adventure with anime and didn't hear a million praises for this title, I would have liked it more but imo still, solid 8/10.
The pillar of this anime are definitely the characters, that's why the episodes that focused on their past were the most interesting and engaging, unlike many episodes in which we simply had a bad guy of the week that our heroes hunted, these episodes were most often filled with a bit of stupid action where Spike without preparation got into hopeless situations but thanks to the plot armor, he managed to survive, and a lot of annoying coincidences that pushed the plot forward.
But overall most of the episodes were really good and had an interesting idea for themselves, especially those that weren't filled with action, apart from that when I spent some time with the characters and got to know them better, even the weaker episodes were enjoyable thanks to their interactions.
What I missed the most in this anime was more long arcs, like 3-4 episodes, so that there would be time to better develop the plot of a given thread and better get to know the secondary characters who take part in it, for example it would be useful in this episode of Jet, where there was this friend who betrayed him, as if the character we see for a few minutes gets some big plot twist and some big redemption scene at the end and it doesn't work at all because it's poorly built imo.
Besides, it's a shame that these episodes are so separate and what happened in one episode has no impact on the next, for example in the episode where Faye gets a recording from her past, the anime forgets about it until the episode where it is continued and Faye doesn't think about it at all during that time, it's not visible that something so big has affected her, we suddenly get a new crazy adventure, instead of maybe looking for the person who sent the recording or showing why Faye doesn't want to do it.
But back to the positives, the characters, dialogues, setting (that retrofuturism was cool), atmosphere, soundtrack and animation, it's just great.
Favorite characters:
1-Spike
2-Jet
3-Faye
4-Ed
The pillar of this anime are definitely the characters, that's why the episodes that focused on their past were the most interesting and engaging, unlike many episodes in which we simply had a bad guy of the week that our heroes hunted, these episodes were most often filled with a bit of stupid action where Spike without preparation got into hopeless situations but thanks to the plot armor, he managed to survive, and a lot of annoying coincidences that pushed the plot forward.
But overall most of the episodes were really good and had an interesting idea for themselves, especially those that weren't filled with action, apart from that when I spent some time with the characters and got to know them better, even the weaker episodes were enjoyable thanks to their interactions.
What I missed the most in this anime was more long arcs, like 3-4 episodes, so that there would be time to better develop the plot of a given thread and better get to know the secondary characters who take part in it, for example it would be useful in this episode of Jet, where there was this friend who betrayed him, as if the character we see for a few minutes gets some big plot twist and some big redemption scene at the end and it doesn't work at all because it's poorly built imo.
Besides, it's a shame that these episodes are so separate and what happened in one episode has no impact on the next, for example in the episode where Faye gets a recording from her past, the anime forgets about it until the episode where it is continued and Faye doesn't think about it at all during that time, it's not visible that something so big has affected her, we suddenly get a new crazy adventure, instead of maybe looking for the person who sent the recording or showing why Faye doesn't want to do it.
But back to the positives, the characters, dialogues, setting (that retrofuturism was cool), atmosphere, soundtrack and animation, it's just great.
Favorite characters:
1-Spike
2-Jet
3-Faye
4-Ed
| @Ba-Cii10 You should try Black Lagoon |
| I absolutely love this anime, but I honestly thought they could have made it 10 eps longer to fully flesh out the characters backstories and their respective development. The ending felt rushed and a little too abrupt for my taste, but with more time and substance it would've been perfect... 9/10 |
can't yuck my yum  |
| W (good ending tho) i promised myself for 5/5 if the finale be as i predicted(as i suggested), sadly the last intro and outro was in the 25th epidose, good TV show, wouldn't say it's great, it's good or half of great Why didn't we say goodbye to Jett or Faye? anyways it's g00d, the era ends heeereeee "YOU'RE GONNA CARRY THAT WEIGHT" sadly, however, i may will rewatch that in the future, who knows |
FlameyWTOct 24, 2024 10:25 AM
| No entiendo por qué frenaron a buscar a la señora en vez de escapar, pero bueno. Tampoco tiene mucho sentido que spike se infiltre tan fácilmente Así y todo, me encantó el capítulo. Es una lástima que se guarden lo mejor de cowboy bebop por tanto tiempo. Hay capítulos que realmente no aportan nada y en vez pudieron dedicarse a pulir más los detalles de la historia principal que realmente es buenísima pero deben ser netos sólo 6 episodios de los 26 totales. See you, space cowboy.  |
JiborjasDec 7, 2024 8:24 PM
| ~ Jiborjas |
| i am just speechless i have been watching this show for like 2-3 months now and just completed it today finally and the way the last episode rolled man, it hit the feels.. we lost the family we made one by one, through out the whole journey they were together and now it's all gone within a single episode.. the farewell of Ed AND Edward was so sad, i am also curious to know what happened to Faye and Jet afterwards. Spike was ready for this bad dream to end and it finally did. I AM REALLY GONNA CARRY THAT WEIGHT!! SEE YOU SPACE COWBOY. |
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| Well, that was an impressive way to commit suicide. It was unwise to go there alone. However, what Spike did was demigod-tier, no doubt about that. He basically took on the whole syndicate's base solo. It was a fine anime with great production quality and cool ideas. Not as good as many people claim it to be, in my opinion, but still, I'm happy that I gave it another chance after years. Some of those episodes were fantastic. Ironically, what I initially disliked about this anime (its episodic nature) turned out to be its high point, while the main plot? It was just alright. See you, space cowboy! |
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Reply to Adnash
Well, that was an impressive way to commit suicide. It was unwise to go there alone. However, what Spike did was demigod-tier, no doubt about that. He basically took on the whole syndicate's base solo.
It was a fine anime with great production quality and cool ideas. Not as good as many people claim it to be, in my opinion, but still, I'm happy that I gave it another chance after years. Some of those episodes were fantastic. Ironically, what I initially disliked about this anime (its episodic nature) turned out to be its high point, while the main plot? It was just alright.
See you, space cowboy!
It was a fine anime with great production quality and cool ideas. Not as good as many people claim it to be, in my opinion, but still, I'm happy that I gave it another chance after years. Some of those episodes were fantastic. Ironically, what I initially disliked about this anime (its episodic nature) turned out to be its high point, while the main plot? It was just alright.
See you, space cowboy!
| @Adnash So, how did you rate it at the end? |
Reply to JoeChip
| @JoeChip Significantly lower than this anime's average score on MAL, but still higher than my average score; mostly because of high production quality and various references to popular culture or futurology. One could say that Cowboy Bebop is "just style over substance", and I'd agree, however, it can't be denied that in terms of visuals, animation and direction this show was great back in 1990s and holds up well even today. Funny enough, I enjoyed the second cour of this show way more than the first one, which I rated lower than my average score and which made me put this series on-hold for several years. I felt it embodied the worst things about episodic shows, I didn't like most of the cast, and that jazz soundtrack just was not pleasant to hear (I'm not a fan of this genre). I'm generally not a fan of episodic anime, and it's hard to please me in this matter. In other words, I can be really picky about episodic anime, given that I'm rather pessimistic towards them by default, lol. Sadly, Cowboy Bebop's first cour failed to be among the exceptional episodic anime that I can sy that I actually enjoyed. It belongs to the shows that reinforce my initial pessimism. ;p Luckily, when I decided to give Cowboy Bebop a second chance, I was surprised that I ended up not only enjoying for most of the time, but also managed to finish the whole anime. I consider the second cour superior to the first one, even if the main plotline was lackluster. But still, I feel the biggest shortcomings of this series, no matter which cour we are talking about, come from its episodic nature. Episodic storytelling can be hit or miss, so there can be totally good episodes, as well as boring stories feeling as if their sole reason of existence was to hit the certain number of planned episodes. The fact that I enjoyed most of the 2nd cour's eps doesn't change the fact that it could've felt differently if, say, the first cour had those episodes, while the second cour had the weaker episodes from the first cour. |
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Reply to Adnash
@JoeChip Significantly lower than this anime's average score on MAL, but still higher than my average score; mostly because of high production quality and various references to popular culture or futurology. One could say that Cowboy Bebop is "just style over substance", and I'd agree, however, it can't be denied that in terms of visuals, animation and direction this show was great back in 1990s and holds up well even today.
Funny enough, I enjoyed the second cour of this show way more than the first one, which I rated lower than my average score and which made me put this series on-hold for several years. I felt it embodied the worst things about episodic shows, I didn't like most of the cast, and that jazz soundtrack just was not pleasant to hear (I'm not a fan of this genre). I'm generally not a fan of episodic anime, and it's hard to please me in this matter. In other words, I can be really picky about episodic anime, given that I'm rather pessimistic towards them by default, lol. Sadly, Cowboy Bebop's first cour failed to be among the exceptional episodic anime that I can sy that I actually enjoyed. It belongs to the shows that reinforce my initial pessimism. ;p
Luckily, when I decided to give Cowboy Bebop a second chance, I was surprised that I ended up not only enjoying for most of the time, but also managed to finish the whole anime. I consider the second cour superior to the first one, even if the main plotline was lackluster.
But still, I feel the biggest shortcomings of this series, no matter which cour we are talking about, come from its episodic nature. Episodic storytelling can be hit or miss, so there can be totally good episodes, as well as boring stories feeling as if their sole reason of existence was to hit the certain number of planned episodes. The fact that I enjoyed most of the 2nd cour's eps doesn't change the fact that it could've felt differently if, say, the first cour had those episodes, while the second cour had the weaker episodes from the first cour.
Funny enough, I enjoyed the second cour of this show way more than the first one, which I rated lower than my average score and which made me put this series on-hold for several years. I felt it embodied the worst things about episodic shows, I didn't like most of the cast, and that jazz soundtrack just was not pleasant to hear (I'm not a fan of this genre). I'm generally not a fan of episodic anime, and it's hard to please me in this matter. In other words, I can be really picky about episodic anime, given that I'm rather pessimistic towards them by default, lol. Sadly, Cowboy Bebop's first cour failed to be among the exceptional episodic anime that I can sy that I actually enjoyed. It belongs to the shows that reinforce my initial pessimism. ;p
Luckily, when I decided to give Cowboy Bebop a second chance, I was surprised that I ended up not only enjoying for most of the time, but also managed to finish the whole anime. I consider the second cour superior to the first one, even if the main plotline was lackluster.
But still, I feel the biggest shortcomings of this series, no matter which cour we are talking about, come from its episodic nature. Episodic storytelling can be hit or miss, so there can be totally good episodes, as well as boring stories feeling as if their sole reason of existence was to hit the certain number of planned episodes. The fact that I enjoyed most of the 2nd cour's eps doesn't change the fact that it could've felt differently if, say, the first cour had those episodes, while the second cour had the weaker episodes from the first cour.
| @Adnash You know you could have just posted the number you used to rate the show instead of posting that wall of text. If you don't want to tell what did you rate the show that is fine. While Cowboy Bebop can be criticized for its various shortcomings calling it "style over substance" would be a both untrue and moreso a shortsighted criticism. |
JoeChipMar 19, 11:09 AM
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@Adnash
You know you could have just posted the number you used to rate the show instead of posting that wall of text. If you don't want to tell what did you rate the show that is fine.
While Cowboy Bebop can be criticized for its various shortcomings calling it "style over substance" would be a both untrue and moreso a shortsighted criticism.
You know you could have just posted the number you used to rate the show instead of posting that wall of text. If you don't want to tell what did you rate the show that is fine.
While Cowboy Bebop can be criticized for its various shortcomings calling it "style over substance" would be a both untrue and moreso a shortsighted criticism.
| @JoeChip Well, it's not like I don't want to tell, but given that I have a specific way of rating shows, writing just a number 1-10 would've not been sufficient in this case. That's why I did it in a descriptive way, lol. I prefer descriptive ratings over numbers. Though apologies if I got carried away a little and made my post way longer than one would expect it to be, hehe. Regarding "style over substance", it really depends, I think. In general, in my opinion Cowboy Bebop might be perceived that way, which I don't consider negative per se - it can be simply treated as the core concept and its execution. However, this doesn't hold true when we delve into the details of certain episodes, with having their messages and aesthetics in mind. As I mentioned, that's the drawback of episodic anime. Judging the whole show differs from judging individual parts. Both approaches feel somewhat disingenuous or unfair if treated in solely, let's call it, binary way (one eliminated the other). Heck, I believe perfectly balancing both aspects without prioritizing one is impossible this way or another, unfortunately. It can still be consistently artistic and creative, as Cowboy Bebop demonstrates. It's nothing new, of course... Like, it's hard to say that music is not that important in a musical, but saying that it's everything that makes a musical good is also a stretch. I think the same goes with looking at an episodic show as a whole. |
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| Not the great anime people make it to be, still don't get why it's high regarded, there's hardly anything that happens, most of it is just what you would call filler on other manga-based anime, just filler the makers fantasized in them about a futuristic galactic life, that's it, no real story here, and I seriously wish it was story focused and the writers dug deeper on the syndicate plot and built the whole show on it. Characters were this and that, some were good, others weren't, with hardly any development for the main cast. Animation and action were great for sure but that's expected for 90s anime. The episodes themselves weren't good minus a few numbered ones, this final episode being one of them, it was absolutely peak. It's a pretty average anime overall. If there's anything I truly liked is that Spike hardly felt like the MC most of the show + the main cast weren't highschoolers + they perfectly managed to capture the age difference between the adult characters and kids, admittedly the best thing about it, no other anime succeeded in capturing that, in fact, every other anime I know of fails horribly in this regard. |
TheBerserkerApr 3, 6:36 PM
Reply to Shinji_ikari07
one of the best anime of all time
| @Shinji_ikari07 Minus a few good episodes and traits, it's more like one of the most overrated. |
TheBerserkerApr 3, 6:33 PM
| see you space pirate or however the burger is fried i thought the vicious spike dynamic was already bad enough but the wholer reason they hate each other is because spike cucked julia from him? also julia is literally yoko ono !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! spike is a manchild fr |
Reply to JKam57
After Julia's death Spike decides to stop running away from his past and end with that once for all. Finally took down his worst enemy at the cost of his own life. Everything ends like that. Those last scenes of Spike taking down the entire cartel were the best of the show but this thing about Julia and Vicious ended being less complex than I thought. Spike dying wasn't very shocking because I already knew that was going to happen, I knew that spoiler since long ago, luckily was the only spoiler I knew so despite that I was able to enjoy this show pretty much. There were left many unsolved things about Jet and Spike so is dissapointing for that. Now with my opinion about this series: I used to hate this series for how popular it was until one day I decided to watch it because is popular because is good right? And I enjoyed this show very much, I love the style and its way to tell the stories but was mainly episodic and had a couple of mid episodes. Being mostly episodic isn't bad but when it comes about the main plot it ended being less complex than I thought and than most of people said, pretty dissapointing in that part. Despite those problems was a very good show but honestly is overrated, so I give it a 8/10. It also has a movie, I don't know if the movie is a prequel or just a recap, seems like is hard to find but I'm going to watch it anyway. And this is how after like 4 years I finally ended this anime, see you space cowboy.
JKam57 said: It also has a movie, I don't know if the movie is a prequel or just a recap, It's neither, the movie is just another episode with a longer running time and takes place before episode 24 and after episode 9 chronogically. |
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Space bebop always delivers
Space bebop always delivers
Space bebop always delivers
Space bebop always delivers
Space bebop always delivers
Space bebop always delivers
Space bebop always delivers
Space bebop always delivers
Space bebop always delivers
| @nirererin What the hell is even Space bebop? |
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