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| Rei could only admire Claire from her television screen in episode one, and now with the finale, Rae Taylor has finally gained her affection! This was a great series that had me quite invested in the antics of these guys. I really hope it gets a season two. Until then, I have to listen to a compilation of ojou sama laughs to process this finale. |
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BlueBullet178 said:
@Phantom_373 Manaria definitely diminished my enjoyment of the show. It was shaping up to be one of my favorite Yuri animes of all time, but they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Dropped to 8/10. Magical Revolution didn't lose the title for reigning yuri champ IMO.
@Phantom_373 Manaria definitely diminished my enjoyment of the show. It was shaping up to be one of my favorite Yuri animes of all time, but they snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Dropped to 8/10. Magical Revolution didn't lose the title for reigning yuri champ IMO.
Yeah I do agree Manaria was quite annoying but she was definitely made to be that kind of character on purpose. But Icl I actually did kind of like her in the end she’s definitely messed up but she gave Rae the push she needed to properly purse Claire.
But regardless Rae and Claire’s dynamic was the highlight of the show for me, they work so well together, this is definitely a top 3 yuri for me.
| @Phantom_373 Yes...definitely agree Rae & Claire are one of the cutest couples of 2023! I did love the show, I just felt like the ending could have been a bit better, but it was still pretty great. I might have to pick up the manga to see what happens next...lol |
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Rae this ep: "Nah, I'd win" ✍️🔥🔥
sam-india-007 said: Rae this ep: "Nah, I'd win" ✍️🔥🔥  I'm literally her |
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| It's difficult to connect with a series when you don't like the protagonist. I wouldn't watch a new season 6/10 |
 welp cant wait to ruin this shit with a s2 thats basically confirmed due to production casting spoiling shit cause author is a salty bitch |
| So embarrased with Tensura fans and the fandom, how have we degraded |
| My god that was such a great finale. I was literally smiling watching these two dorks the entire time. My favorite part from this episode is when Claire described how she feels about Rae in front of Misha. That's just so precious. And geez they also add the groups teasing Claire being a bride. That was quite a jump from just dating haha. The whole scales of love ceremony is also really symbolic and foreshadowing the outcome. These past two months have been so much blissful from following this series, be starting the anime, checking out the manga and finally completing its whole LNs. Despite having limited budget and screentime, they managed to finish this season so well and adapted the material faithfully. It's even funnier to see the scenes getting animated. They can't just teased us with" a happy family with the twins" scene. I'm really grateful for the anime to exist and here's hoping for the next season being planned to see their happy family finally getting adapted in the future. For those who enjoy the show can continue the story from the LN chapter 5 vol 2 or from its manga chapter 26 vol 6. |
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| I know I’m supposed to cheer for Rae because she’s the self insert character but Manaria is so my type so I found myself rooting for her instead 😩 ah well, it was still a cute ending |
| It's a fun anime, but I think I can't get over the Rae bissexual pipeline. It can create false expectations on some viewers |
| so thats why rae so ppassionate with claire ,because she want to protect claire from that guillotine in the future .. |
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Why do Yuri shows always fumble in the last handful of episodes. Sakura Trick did the same thing. They introduce a character you hate in the last three episodes and ruin all of the romantic buildup of the entire season. ALSO, Manaria is a f*cking r^pist, so I hate that they tried to make her a sympathetic character. Other than that, overall a very enjoyable show, but it falls victim to the classic Yuri Fumble as I am now calling it. 8/10
| @BlueBullet178 Manaria isn’t a rapist, there was simply a power imbalance in an otherwise consensual relationship. idk why the anime decided to animate it like she had but that isn’t the case in the LN or when said character gets introduced and is still in love with Manaria. |
   I'll keep wishing for a world where you can be happy. |
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As flawed as Manaria's opinion on the outcome of unrequited love is, I think the true weakness of this conflict is the sheer dichotomy of threatening Claire and Rae with implied sexual assault to the stark contrast of "Teehee, I was just teasing you because I love you!"
It's such a slap in the face. The previous logic while flawed makes sense to Manaria's character and her experience, but threatening Claire like this is just too much of a leap. I feel it could've been written as Manaria just doubling down and saying "This time I'll do it right, with Claire." and have her challenge Rae as it was already shown that Rae was realizing her cowardice and how unrealistic of a relationship it is.
It's such a slap in the face. The previous logic while flawed makes sense to Manaria's character and her experience, but threatening Claire like this is just too much of a leap. I feel it could've been written as Manaria just doubling down and saying "This time I'll do it right, with Claire." and have her challenge Rae as it was already shown that Rae was realizing her cowardice and how unrealistic of a relationship it is.
| @GooseBolt Manaria’s only bluffing to force Rae to act. She already sees herself as irredeemable and acts as such at that point because she knows it will make Rae actually do something. |
I'll keep wishing for a world where you can be happy. |
| Man, the last scene left me grinning like an idiot xD. I loved hearing Claire call Rae by her name and it was great to see Claire's dere side many times in the finale. Like Rae, I loved Claire. Her design, personality, reactions, her seiyuu, she really was one of my favorite girls of the season. I'm going to miss this show, the dynamic between Claire and Rae was super fun and I'm glad we got something concrete in their relationship by the end of the season. The OP will also be missed, I loved listening to Rae and Claire singing it. I hope we get a S2 in the future, I want to see more of them now that they are together! |
SkyLETVDec 19, 2023 10:13 AM
| Claire finally admitted to loving Rae, the worst she got from that confession was teasing from her friends. Overall it's 5/10 show for me. Rae admittedly started out really annoying and was stalkerish. She mellowed out past episode 3 which is good because I almost dropped this show. It gave me some laughs but they also were rooting for actual incest. Without the incest I would have given it a 6/10. |
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@KilledbyCuriosty That only works if there were any hints in her actions that she was just pushing Claire and Rae together. The acts Manaria takes are not ones of simple bluffing or sly attempts to get them to reveal each other's feelings. For example, the scales. Manaria uses the heaviest item in the known land. While one could try to explain that away as plot convenience to show Rae finally giving in to using her otherworldly game knowledge, I believe that is writing yourself into a corner if your only recourse is to suddenly spring this sort of contrivance. One can only suspend so much disbelief. The other issue I have is there's absolutely nothing in Manarina's actions to tell the viewers she is after Rae. It looks more like her backstepping to not gain as much ire. In the end, this is all subjective pedantry. I believe Manaria was written poorly but obviously, she did her job as a character that upsets the audience and they easily wrote her that way. To me, it felt a bit lazy as Manaria's experience is a great wake-up call to Rae even if it is a flawed assumption that all unrequited love will end with that sort of heinous action but the base message of you're only hurting yourself and others with this is great. It's just the backstepping at the end saying "I was just after you!" is such a lazy twist.
On another note, I saw you mention Manaria's actions while heavily implied as such in the Manga and Anime, are different in the LN. Where could I find that? Getting nothing on Mangareader for results.
On another note, I saw you mention Manaria's actions while heavily implied as such in the Manga and Anime, are different in the LN. Where could I find that? Getting nothing on Mangareader for results.
| @GooseBolt First of all Manaria's been pretty specifically interested in Rei since her first appearance. She explicitly includes Rei in conversations despite Claire's protests and only really starts being explicitly antagonistic towards Rei (at least in Rei's perspective) after she says she's content with Claire not returning her feelings. Until then, Manaria goes out of her way to talk to Rae and in both the sub and the dub is not subtle about trying to seduce her with her tone of voice Secondly, Manaria at the end of the day still wants to have Rei for herself which is why she gets the Floss Flower. Her actions contradict each other and she is hypocritical as a result. She tells Rei that unrequited love will always break but lets her love of Rei remain unrequited. She becomes furious at Rei for giving Claire up so easily. She expects Rei to not take a duel over Claire seriously because Rei said that she dislikes the similar ideas in Posie Amour. She tries to get Rae and Claire to interact more but Rae is stubborn and hates Manaria too much to notice. I'm rambling and idk how to say my thoughts exactly so sorry, but I don't really think Rae as she was would've actively pursued Claire without being shown that she either has to act or even can act and Manaria gets her to do both. Like...this is the first time in the entire series that Rae doesn't pass off her flirting and pursuit of Claire as a joke which is why their relationship fails to progress until Manaria shakes things up. You can find the LN via seven seas, I'm not about to advocate for piracy of a series that I both love and know the author of personally. She's an amazing person and you should support her. |
I'll keep wishing for a world where you can be happy. |
| The story of Rae Taylor entering isekai has ended. And now this anime has officially finished with a happy ending. After Rae's struggle to have her love recognized by Claire, it is now complete. So let's celebrate this. In this last episode I realized that, Manaria is the best girl. Not gonna lie, since the first appearance, so her goal is that she intends to push Rae and Claire closer. And one more thing if I may say, I just want to say: Love has different forms for each person. |
RafaBryanDec 19, 2023 11:08 AM
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@GooseBolt First of all Manaria's been pretty specifically interested in Rei since her first appearance. She explicitly includes Rei in conversations despite Claire's protests and only really starts being explicitly antagonistic towards Rei (at least in Rei's perspective) after she says she's content with Claire not returning her feelings. Until then, Manaria goes out of her way to talk to Rae and in both the sub and the dub is not subtle about trying to seduce her with her tone of voice
Secondly, Manaria at the end of the day still wants to have Rei for herself which is why she gets the Floss Flower. Her actions contradict each other and she is hypocritical as a result. She tells Rei that unrequited love will always break but lets her love of Rei remain unrequited. She becomes furious at Rei for giving Claire up so easily. She expects Rei to not take a duel over Claire seriously because Rei said that she dislikes the similar ideas in Posie Amour. She tries to get Rae and Claire to interact more but Rae is stubborn and hates Manaria too much to notice. I'm rambling and idk how to say my thoughts exactly so sorry, but I don't really think Rae as she was would've actively pursued Claire without being shown that she either has to act or even can act and Manaria gets her to do both. Like...this is the first time in the entire series that Rae doesn't pass off her flirting and pursuit of Claire as a joke which is why their relationship fails to progress until Manaria shakes things up.
You can find the LN via seven seas, I'm not about to advocate for piracy of a series that I both love and know the author of personally. She's an amazing person and you should support her.
Secondly, Manaria at the end of the day still wants to have Rei for herself which is why she gets the Floss Flower. Her actions contradict each other and she is hypocritical as a result. She tells Rei that unrequited love will always break but lets her love of Rei remain unrequited. She becomes furious at Rei for giving Claire up so easily. She expects Rei to not take a duel over Claire seriously because Rei said that she dislikes the similar ideas in Posie Amour. She tries to get Rae and Claire to interact more but Rae is stubborn and hates Manaria too much to notice. I'm rambling and idk how to say my thoughts exactly so sorry, but I don't really think Rae as she was would've actively pursued Claire without being shown that she either has to act or even can act and Manaria gets her to do both. Like...this is the first time in the entire series that Rae doesn't pass off her flirting and pursuit of Claire as a joke which is why their relationship fails to progress until Manaria shakes things up.
You can find the LN via seven seas, I'm not about to advocate for piracy of a series that I both love and know the author of personally. She's an amazing person and you should support her.
| @GooseBolt to add to what @KilledbyCuriosty said, in Rae's OG world, the game had Manaria assist the heroine get together with the one she was in love with. Rae mentions thiis soon after Manaria's name was mentioned iirc, b4 she even shows up. Despite Rae knowing this, she dismisses her help ing her out because that help in the game was only ever for the Princes and never for her Claire-sama. Despite that, Manaria was in fact helping her out the entire time. She took things too far sure, but some of that was due to Rae's own stubbornness and cowardice with always running away. Now the twist with Manaria was after Rae the whole time can be taken as either true or false. The only hint one has that i can see towards that is how she messes with rae, which, also coincides with her trying to help Rae get with Claire. The offering is also something you can look at in two ways. One side being she was there to make Rae hers, but the other side to get her with Claire. If her offering wasn't beat, she might've hoped Rae or Claire would fight for the other to not be taken away. Or perhaps she woulda been ok with both rae and Claire dating her? I feel Manaria is a interesting character who has 2 or more sides to her at, perhaps all times. Remember that people are not just a stereo type and thats what this show tries to avoid, even if sometimes it has some of said stereo types/settings and such, the people are still people and not stereo types like you see in some anime. That said, Manaria and Claire here contradict ep 3 I think it was and maybe even Lene and her brother as why should same sex relationships be ok but not sibling relationships in society to the point one isn't punished but the other is? Sure Lene and her brother were sent away for treason but they wouldn't have done what they did if society hadn't said no to their relationship so the end result is still the same... its a shame too, I REALLY was starting to like Lene and then that twist happened and they sadly sent her away and outta the story... and Claire being infatuated with her Big Sister (Manaria), is where that contradictions lies alongside Manaria herself as a whole. |
--Kaori--Dec 19, 2023 1:21 PM
| Cute episode, honestly loved it! Super excited for season 2 |
| “Listen well, we are different than regular people because we are born with special powers. But that shouldn’t give you the illusion that you’re a special being. We are part of humanity. Besides our rare power, we are no different than them. People who run fast, people who can sing well, people who study hard, people who are funny, and people with psychic powers. Are we different from them? Having confidence in your strength, is good thing but do not get carried away. Our powers are a dangerous weapon.” – Reigen Arataka |
| Wasn't really a huge fan of these last few episodes, everything with Manaria felt obvious and old hat in a way that the earlier episodes were not. The exception was Rae getting the tables turned on her for a change with Manaria teasing her by proclaiming her love. Probably 6.5 but I'd round it up to 7 because overall I enjoyed the show. Rae and Claire are great together and the series was a fun spin on the genre. I'd be excited about a second season. |
| Can't wait for the second season if it release |
| Kind of painful to seeing Rae when she was down and Manaria egging her on ince I get how Rae felt. I do question Manaria's views on unrequited love though, they seem too flat but it is understandable since she is a flawed character. Im glad to see Rae and Claire get close again. Claire looks pretty when she's happier too. Ohhhhh all this time i kept thinking "but Claire is just a bully at most. How is she a villainess?" so she's a future villainess. I dont know why I didnt think of that more. Would be nice if this had another season but supposedly that is rare for yuri shows. Im not sure if my attention span is good enough to read the LN or not... on another note I kind of hated Rae's design from the start. I dont know why she is the only character where her gaze looks so dead eyed. I dont know if that was intentional or not. Maybe it's the colour pallet? KilledbyCuriosty said: Manaria isn’t a rapist, there was simply a power imbalance in an otherwise consensual relationship. idk why the anime decided to animate it like she had but that isn’t the case in the LN or when said character gets introduced and is still in love with Manaria. From what i interpreted from what we got in the anime Id say the maid obviously felt violated and went along with things because she is a maid falling into her role but it didnt seem like there was anything in the anime suggesting Manaria knowingly made her against her will have sex which is a lot more nuanced. Not sure if that sounds reasonable to someone having read the LN or not. GooseBolt said: As flawed as Manaria's opinion on the outcome of unrequited love is, I think the true weakness of this conflict is the sheer dichotomy of threatening Claire and Rae with implied sexual assault to the stark contrast of "Teehee, I was just teasing you because I love you!" It's such a slap in the face. The previous logic while flawed makes sense to Manaria's character and her experience, but threatening Claire like this is just too much of a leap. I feel it could've been written as Manaria just doubling down and saying "This time I'll do it right, with Claire." and have her challenge Rae as it was already shown that Rae was realizing her cowardice and how unrealistic of a relationship it is. Yeah I dont think her view makes sense but i kind of get what is meant that it the pain would eat away at you holding back feelings and may cloud judgment but that is exaggerated on the last part. Many cultures hold unrequited love as the most pure love. |
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| That was a nice stinger at the end. I doubt I’ll ever read the manga/LN but maybe we’ll get another season someday. It was a lot of fun, and a little drama would spice it up. 9/10 |
| I have liked all Villainess isekai I've watched so far which is why I watched this but ended up disliking it. I did like Claire as a character but couldn't like Rae at all mainly because her actions and words didn't match, she said she only wants Claire to be happy with Thane but for majority of the show she kept on harassing Claire. Then Manaria came in and Claire seems to be in love with her, I thought she earlier mentioned she was hetero, what ever happened to her love for Thane!? And then it turns out Claire was in love with Rae after all but just hadn't realized it. That's pretty much the standard GL/BL scenario where harassment makes them gay. Tenten Kakumei did the yuri aspect so much better, it felt more natural compared to this. |
 「あなたのためなら世界中を敵にしてもかまわない」 "If it was for your sake I wouldn't mind even if I had to turn the whole world into my enemy" |
| Rae's knowledge about the videogame (even if obviously unable to reveal it in context) made her win, Manaria completed her "mission", cliffhanger about Claire going to the scaffold because, well, she's supposed to be a villainess, more shenanigans between the two main characters even if to be honest they still made me laugh until the very end. Never been too involved with this show, as with most isekais or period pieces-esque stories, it was decent but if it receives a season 2 i'm not sure i will go through it even if it's also italian dubbed like this one. |
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