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Jun 20, 2023 9:49 PM
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What does the scene with Maru and Totori say about either of the two? It's completely isolated from the rest of the episode, is deliberately titillating with it's use of camera angles and is of zero consequence to the development of either characters. Virtually every scene in this show that's remotely sexual could be trimmed and you wouldn't be missing anything of value or even notice that something's missing. As for it not sexualising the characters. I dunno, man. This stuff's been getting progressively more gratuitous with each episode.

It does show that Maru has some moral concern about the age of the girl while she doesn't give a dam. Which tells you that in these world where civilization has collapsed, moral is basically a personal thing and vary from one individual to the other. We don't see enough of Totori after this but this scene had an important consequence to Maru. He understands that the Hiruko he can detect can have a human form. And he can make the difference between a Hiruko in human form compared to a Hiruko in man-eater one.
It also shows that Hirukos are very drawn to sex, much more than other characters, and there's probably a reason for that which needs to be understood. I can't say more here without spoiling.
Apart for this scene, what do we have so far:
- A photograph of Mimihime taking a shower: it's used to show for once Shiro's strong emotional reaction toward her, while he's so stoic about the rest. It also shows that someone is manipulating the kids to develop sexuality (since we know they are not taught anything about that).
- An image of Tokio in the nude: obviously necessary for half the readers to understand she was a girl all along. Besides, there's obviously something afoot with the kids' gender in general.
- Two girls kissing : give me a break
- Juichi touching Kiruko's breasts: for me, it shows that Juichi's experience in the female community has removed any sexual desire for woman, to the point he doesn't even realize that what he does is overboard. This scene was overdone in the anime (I didn't like the work of this director).

That's basically it. We're talking about what, about 10s of animation, plus the Maru-Totori scene which lasts about 1mn over 11 episodes of 23 minutes. 1mn 10s out of 250mn. There's probably more sexual content in 60% of anime than in this.
Sorry but no. I refute that this show is sexualizing kids. None of these scenes have the purpose to arouse the audience, but to tell something.
And I disagree that they could be done differently. Change the way they're done and you don't express the same ideas and feeling anymore.
You consider that trimming the scenes would not remove anything of value but that's only true for you because you don't want a show like this to have sexuality as a theme.
Well it does and for good reasons.

There are more insightful and tactful ways of communicating all of these things. I think your point about the partial nudity scene with Tokio is the weakest, since there are a myriad of better ways you could go about communicating that without near frontal nudity. I could also confidently remove the Mimihime shower scene. The moment between her and Shiro outside of class is the only part of that exchange which matters. As for Totori, if Maru being able to differentiate between women as people and women as sex objects really is what that scene serves to establish, then it's unnecessary seeing that we already have a character who explores that idea (Hiruko). Many of these scenes are also standard fare for raunchy anime, complete with the blushing, convenient censorship, camera pans and titillating framing, so I don't see what distinguishes this show from the pack. Downplaying it's presence in the show doesn't excuse the fact that it's there in the first place, either.
Jun 21, 2023 1:36 AM

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the ep was funny but the end credits was wierd asf
Jun 23, 2023 2:16 PM

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Hoping to find another monster to kill they ran over a bear, and they still took a big risk. The scene in the Hotel was surely something lol seemed the orphan could have been parte of the group but she will go her own way instead. The duo took each other in hand, I see it as one step forward! The most enjoyable episode so far imo



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Jun 24, 2023 12:59 PM
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this is goated uderrated
Jun 25, 2023 5:37 AM
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got a lil bored with thi one
Jun 25, 2023 6:13 PM

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Honestly, right now I don't really care about Tokio. but maybe I'm too fast to judge since it seems it's building up to something. the other 2 are more entertaining to watch. But now whenever i see her on screen I just think eh the screentime could've been used for the other 2. 
Jun 25, 2023 7:01 PM
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was honestly expecting worse with the sexual elements. wasn't dealt with like a fucking creep like most anime lol
Jun 28, 2023 9:21 PM
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100% sAfE wAtEr, turns out to be a trap lmao. Well, good thing that theres a wild animal and its actually backfired the trapper, it seems xd.

Surprise this is become a deeper bonding moment, either at Maru side or Tokio side. But the different was, Maru reject the heavenly feeling, but Tokio, oh yeah, she really doing it huh? Cool...

Also, im glad they reveal Tokio boobs cause i absolutely believe Tokio was a boy, especially since Kiru actually a boy inside. But nope, Tokio turned out a girl! But Kiru starting to realized its time to turn side too?

Weird episode, not much focus on the plot to find the heaven. But only for the bonding moment for our two side mcs which, truly significant to blur out the fact that Maru is not a normal human that can even kill human if he touch them deep. And Tokio able to manipulate the security camera live footage. Yes....
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Jul 1, 2023 12:32 AM

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This episode was silly, especially with the bear. They could've just made this anime grim-dark and it would've worked, but the comedy adds some extra weirdness to the whole situation.

I saw that dream sequence coming, but that didn't make it any less unsettling.

Damn this episode was horny; so much seggs. I thought the hotel girl and Maru were gonna do it for a minute.

I can see why people thought Tokio was a dude, but I thought it was pretty obvious she was a girl. 

Rip Tokio got found out though. How'd Tokio not get seen on the cameras?? I thought maybe she was invisible, but now I'm not so sure.

Jul 1, 2023 5:11 AM

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Always warm up your body before doing a lil exercise. Good thing the bear isn't the climbing type.
Also a real homie would let his bro touch his boob, its in the bro code.

Jul 6, 2023 4:55 AM
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This episode was a whole minefield of misunderstandings.
Jul 8, 2023 2:12 PM

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I guess it just isn't the real seasonal anime watching experience, without those unnecessary fanservice episodes with shaky consent.
I mean, if you really have to make it sexy; fine. But what is Japans problem with just portraying all involved parties as happily consenting?
You could sooo easily avoid having a protagonist and side characters that sexually assault each other, if you just show them liking it.


And to the user above:
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That is some fucked up shit! I hope this wont turn into a transgender in love situation, gross!
Could you make your transphobia any more obvious? I understand not liking the forced romance here (because the blond guy is only attracted to the other guys body, and body guard guy openly says, that he's not interested and that he still sees himself as a man) but you can dislike this part without being a bigot.

Jul 9, 2023 11:23 AM

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iloathesasuke said:
Ceyliel said:

And to the user above:
Could you make your transphobia any more obvious? 

I thought I made it crystal clear. 

That, to me, is a really odd hill to die on: sabotaging your own enjoyment of multiple good shows for the sake of being an asshole to a group of people, who just try to life their best lifes. But kinda nice to know, that this weird form of unnecessary hatred is getting more and more antiquated these days ^-^

Jul 9, 2023 1:00 PM

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iloathesasuke said:
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 this weird form of unnecessary hatred is getting more and more antiquated these days ^-^
Are you talking about your hatred towards people who do not want to watch underage sex and dudes getting romantic out of nowhere in the middle of fucking completely something else? And you have the nerve to tell these people what they should watch or enjoy, interesting species are the wokes. Besides I am still watching, it's not good. 

Also who are the ones being assholes to the female athletes who spent their entire lives being the best at their own field? Is that the group of people who are just trying only to live their lives?
Uhm...are you conflating being trans and being underaged or do you shift the discussion from one point to a completly different one, because you're afraid of losing an argument? I was criticising your blatant transphobia not your criticism of stupid ecchi scenes between minors or bad writing. Trying to misrepresent what I said might work irl, but not when everything I said is literally written down.

And the question how a competetion between high level athletes should be organized can be discussed without hating on trans-people, you know. Just a very, very small fraction of them are olympia-level athletes, and hormonal levels also varie wildly between cis-people. And intersex people can't compete at all. So maybe things should get re-organized anyways, to treat everyone more fairly.

But you don't really care about that, do you?  You try to act "feminist" in this one instance to justify your feelings of transphobia. But this episode had nothing to with sports competition. You were complaining about a potential trans love story. So you're hating on them, not because of sports, but simply because they exist and have feelings.
So there's no real reason at all. It's irrational.

Jul 12, 2023 4:32 AM
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Denji's spirit possessed Maru in this episode. And the truth is that the ending surprised me a lot, let's see what happens with those children...
Jul 15, 2023 2:03 PM
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kiruko: *kyaaaaaa*
Jul 17, 2023 4:12 PM
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this episode is very funny
Jul 19, 2023 1:06 PM
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We need more Trans (sorta) gay (sorta) relationships in anime. Especially good ones
Jul 27, 2023 7:06 PM

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i didnt realize people were confused about tokios gender, i knew she was a girl i dont remember how though? maybe they called her she at one point? thats why i thought it was weird when they were saying find a BOY that looks just like you i was like??? maybe its not tokio???? also i did love the hotel girl but id been really enjoying this anime since it has such a good story i was happy that there werent any over exaggerated/unnecesary feeling scenes to cater to male gaze lol but i guess i got my hopes up
Aug 17, 2023 9:28 AM

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Kiruko or whoever it is starts acting more and more like a girl, in ep 5 and now even more...

there was one funny moment with "sis it went in", but then in a funny way it was ruined, Kiruko should slam the door and "I didn't see anything" and they should continue, instead anime again showed that maleXfemale is something bad, while other sexual quirks are fine

wtf was that at the end? Tokio a girl? he was referred as boy all the time even by adults
another intentional confusion to mix up gender by this anime this is sick

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Aug 21, 2023 6:57 AM

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Don't they all have same footwear, how did he find her based of her boot?
Aug 23, 2023 8:06 AM

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Thyriad-oPPailov said:
wtf was that at the end? Tokio a girl? he was referred as boy all the time even by adults
There's no reference to Tokio as a boy, particularly not by adults.
Sep 3, 2023 3:40 PM

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Maru jumping down to get the battery the second Kiruko made him.. that proposal lol. That bear surely looked off tho. Thought that the Hotel King girl would join them tho
Sep 4, 2023 8:17 AM

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Funny episode, Maru didn't hesitate to jump if it meant he got to touch some boobies. But poor Maru didn't get to touch Kiruko's boobs. They found out Tokio snuck into the nursery. I don't understand how it was a 92% match if all the kids wear the same clothes and shoes. I honestly didn't know Tokio was a girl, but that does explain her eyelashes. Also, why are there people arguing about sex in this thread?
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Sep 5, 2023 11:29 AM
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The episode is very good, I'll rate it 5/5
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Sep 11, 2023 8:26 AM

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Awww Maru was this close to getting lucky!
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Sep 24, 2023 8:52 PM
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Ok, so this dude is willing to practically sexually assault someone but the second he becomes the victim, he turns into a wimp? I don't understand or want to understand why these writers like to depict girls as thirsty and men as wimps. Or why they even depict such things in the first place if it never leads to anything more. It sure as hell showed me that he is a coward without a dick.
Nov 10, 2023 2:23 AM
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Ep was funny af, didn’t know what to expect 🤣🤣😭
Nov 11, 2023 10:30 PM

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i've taken issue with some of the minor details along the way but hats off to this show: i never know what to expect.
Nov 25, 2023 5:14 PM

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It seems the kids at the facility are not taught about sex or genders (they all use the same uniform).
But oh well, human instinct is still there, even if you are not taught, you will crave proximity, connection, touch and the instinct will take over.
Jan 6, 2024 12:53 PM
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Oh wow cool... Fanservice that lasts a really goddamn long time
Jan 17, 2024 3:48 PM

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Can't be as bad as the last hotel the pair stayed at right? Totori looks a lot like one of the kids from Heaven, the dancer?

It was just a regular bear, the "Fatal Dive" didn't work. Maru slid down as soon as Kiruko promised he could cop a feel kek Maru and Denji would get along. Maru reminds Kiruko to uphold his end of the bargain. Using pictures of Haruki and Kiriko do not dissuade Maru. But the hotel owner is adamant about guests not making her futons and rooms dirty... but she can.
Thinking he's in the mood, they go to second base despite Maru's preference for Onee-sans (remember what was on the porno mag when Kiruko thought he had gone missing). But when Maru finally gets to grab a breast, his hand goes right through and nearly crushes a red heart like object that Hirukos and Tarao's ashes both have. Not wanting to fatal dive her, Maru tries to make her face the other way, ending up in a suggestive position for Kiruko to walk in on. Then the fucking narrator kicked in lmao

As Maru could Fatal Dive her, is Totori a human-hiruko hybrid or a hiruko in the form of a human? Is she one of the kids or their descendant? It would explain her attitude towards sex in the lawless dystopia, since the kids in the heaven went through puberty with knowledge of such things withheld by the adult researchers. Perhaps she is the same kind of orphan Tokio-lookalike Maru was. The Hotel King is ambitious lol.

Speaking of Tokio, she's having dreams that she will get the same illness Tarao had and sees the only other dead student, Asura who looks like an alien? It was said they could not bear to be in their body. A brain too big for their skull? An alien-human hybrid?
Tokio sneaks into Kona's room at night for sexual intercourse and the AI substitutes CCTV footage in both of their rooms to prevent the adults from seeing. So when she vomited last time, it wasn't Tarao's illness but morning sickness. Kona's precognition drew his and Tokio's future baby in the womb, could that baby grow up to be Maru?
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Jan 19, 2024 2:19 PM
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the ecchi scenes were funny (because of the narrator part) but so unnecessary....
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100% NOT SAFE even the narrator had to get involved!!!!

This show's twists and turns as we go through the ins and outs of it xD "haita" "...nani ga... doko ni.........." RIP!!!!!!

And the way he jumped, omg.

Call me a bear, because I'm deaad XD
Apr 12, 2024 3:05 AM
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something is hapeninng between two main characters
Apr 21, 2024 11:35 PM
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So tokio is not tokio kun but tokio chan....
May 28, 2024 8:19 AM

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I liked this ep, it was interesting and funny. The love part at the hotel where I thought hentai would appear didn't but it's still cool to see Maru and Kiruko's relationship grow every episode.
May 29, 2024 5:48 PM
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I'm not a big fan of the gay or gender-bender shit going on in this anime, boys getting attracted to a girl who happens to be a fucking guy in the body of a girl, that same guy in the body of a girl getting attracted to the other boy afterward so it's getting a bit gay there, and then we have Tokio who I thought was a guy the whole time and we get some gay kiss between girls to push some agenda or whatever and then we have these other boys wanting to kiss Tokio who I thought was a guy so yeah, more gay shit so I'm not surprised at this point, but hey, Tokio happens to be a girl in this episode so drawing that character as a trap was totally on purpose to make us believe he was gay the whole time.

I will finish this anime but I don't like the way this is going and I don't even dislike gay characters since I have no problem with Haku (Naruto) or Ruka (Steins;Gate), those are gay characters done right IMHO but in this anime, the gay shit is just not working out for me, it's cringe.
Jun 10, 2024 1:19 AM
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Maru really risked his life to touch that opppppaaiii!!
Also, damn that Hotel manager was hot and damn I would if I could!
Jun 13, 2024 9:29 AM
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I did enjoy the aimless nothingness of Kiruko and Maru's journey, as much as it seemed like nothing happened, it's the small things that are the most enjoyable.

I feel like it would probably be a given that a teenage boy would react the way Maru did or most teenage boys going through puberty, but considering Kiruko may have never really experienced what they proposed it would make more sense.

There wasn't too much shown inside Heaven this episode, but it did show us who Asura is, or some version of her. Also it seems the cameras purposefully censor things out of survalliance footage, maybe the theory mentioned could be something that comes true inside of Heaven. Maybe Heaven is actually a Hell...
Jun 21, 2024 7:22 PM
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this is really great
Nov 1, 2024 9:16 AM

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I know this is weird, but when Maru's face was serious and he said, 'Let me touch your boobs,' I was like 😳😳 LOL SEIYUU'S VOICE MAKING ME BLUSH

I've been reading too much smut or something HAHA ....let me focus on the plot, and I’ll keep watching this
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Huh bro had a chance of a life time in a time where like is soo fleeting.

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The sexuality was handled in a juvenile way. It was funny, but not reaching its potential. I hope not all of such encounters between our main duo work that way, where comedy is used to handwave affection. The scene with Kiruko grabbing Maru's hand and the end is much more touching.
Whether the main relationship becomes sexual or not, there needs to be some scene about Kiruko's body, preferably discussed with Maru. What Haruki's sister's body means to him hasn't been discussed much since it was revealed to us back in Episode 3. It's the most unique thing about Kiruko as a character, and its potential is immense.

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Loved every episode so far! This anime is amazing!
Jun 8, 2:42 AM

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Chainsaw Man deja vu.

Hotel-chan is a sex freak, Bear-san is dead, Tokio-kun is a girl (and fucked, in more ways than one).

Weakest episode so far, too much fanservice and comedic bits. Maru & Kiruko, homies or homos?

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Jun 26, 6:21 PM
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I really like how things are adding up, brutal
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SEXOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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