| I have been following the rapid development of AI-generated art for the past few months. It has given people with no art skill like me the ability to produce art we could never dream of creating on our own. However, AI image generation is a new technological frontier with lots of uncertainties that not everyone feels good about. Artists are worried about losing jobs to it, and there is concern about it producing ethically questionable content (celebrity porn, violence, incriminating images, etc.). Anyways, a new AI image generator, NovelAI, just released last night and I have been playing around with it a lot today. So far it is the best anime image generator I have seen. What do you think of AI image generation? Have you ever used it? If so, would you like to share what you've created? |
| omg wtf ai generators can do that now??? jfc i shouldve made.my game a VN or something i could just generate all the damn assets the A of it is that the problem is the mode of production artists are surviving under and the B of it is that most artistic work is monkey brain weeee make le epic picture like the others for the boss man, so of course an ai is as good as a human at this, if u r doing this all day its hardly living a human life as a human is it?? you can either ask the question of whether the AI is alive, ask the question of whether or not the AI should be allowed to do such things, or you can ask the question of whether the people the AI is replicating the behavior of are really alive and i choose taht one OJSimpsonBronco said: Crow_Black said: Its a fad that is going to pass on eventually all fads do I highly doubt that. AI art is rapidly improving. The images I showed in my OP wouldn't have been possible to generate through AI image generators just 1 year ago. It will probably only be about a year or two at most before AI will be able to consistently match (and perhaps even surpass) the abilities of human artists. AI will thus be a go-to for pretty much anyone who wants fast art and/or doesn't want to pay a professional to make it. That is not to say that human artists will be completely obsolete though, as I suspect that they will continue to have an edge when it comes to controlling fine details, since the input systems AI image generators use limit such control. Plus there will still be some people who prefer the "novelty" of handmade art, just like how some people today prefer vinyl records over digital music or whatever. my wishful thinking end goal is it would be like integrated with soemthing like photoshop, right? so you prompt a tree or whatever and you go through the damn things and pick one and tweak it until it fits ur image. like content aware fill++ |
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OJSimpsonBronco said: oh shit htats basedrian9999 said: omg wtf ai generators can do that now??? jfc i shouldve made.my game a VN or something i could just generate all the damn assets the A of it is that the problem is the mode of production artists are surviving under and the B of it is that most artistic work is monkey brain weeee make le epic picture like the others for the boss man, so of course an ai is as good as a human at this, if u r doing this all day its hardly living a human life as a human is it?? you can either ask the question of whether the AI is alive, ask the question of whether or not the AI should be allowed to do such things, or you can ask the question of whether the people the AI is replicating the behavior of are really alive and i choose taht one my wishful thinking end goal is it would be like integrated with soemthing like photoshop, right? so you prompt a tree or whatever and you go through the damn things and pick one and tweak it until it fits ur image. like content aware fill++ Someone already made a Stable Diffusion plugin for Photoshop. I do think and graphic designers will gradually incorporate AI image generators into their broader toolset, as it could save them a lot of time. like ai programming i think visual studio did it in 2022 which i downloaded and it was SHIT im like now every time i write a repetative line of code, if the AI wasnt garbo, it could just fucking write this for me. god.. i always type [SF and press enter and visual studio better fucking correct taht into [SerializeField] or im shooting myself, and it should do [Se for [Serializable] too and auto add whatever assemblies damnit. and can u please just write constructors for em its fucking obcvious what im doing??? |
rian2Oct 3, 2022 10:49 PM
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| That ai art of Asuka is amazing. AI hentai is the future, and I look forward to it. Here is a cute waifu I made by waifulabs ai  |
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OJSimpsonBronco said: rohan121 said: That ai art of Asuka is amazing. AI hentai is the future, and I look forward to it. You can actually make hentai with NovelAI. In fact, I have already made hentai of Asuka with it. Now I need to try that! I love good hentai art. |
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Crow_Black said: It's definitely not a fad, the rate of improvement of these AI tools has rapidly increased just over the last three years alone going from utter shit [like DALL·E] to being so good they have been forced to keep DALL·E 2 private out of fear of what the public may do with it.Its a fad that is going to pass on eventually all fads do Heck OpenAI Codex has already come a long way and with a few tweaks to layout and of course some editing it could easily be used to create a static front-end website and make adding backend integration that much easier due to not having to focus on the frontend as much. Not to mention besides code and art general AI conversation or story generators are improving and depending on how much they can perfect it I wouldn't be surprised if such a thing is used heavily when it comes to indie games/mods and I'm sure in the hands of Bethesda and tuned properly they could go wild with procedurally generated dialogue options for their other procedurally generated content. AI has essentially reached the same phase as VR has going far past the point of being a "fad" [i.e google cardboard for VR or DALL·E for AI art] and instead both of these are at a phase of rapid innovation and improvement with no clear barriers to stop them other than money and people to work on them. |
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| I mean, it does a really good job replicating the style. It's a technical achievement, sure, but it's not really that interesting to look at. They look like screenshots rather than a new person's take on the same character. OJSimpsonBronco said: Crow_Black said: Its a fad that is going to pass on eventually all fads do I highly doubt that. AI art is rapidly improving. The images I showed in my OP wouldn't have been possible to generate through AI image generators just 1 year ago. It will probably only be about a year or two at most before AI will be able to consistently match (and perhaps even surpass) the abilities of human artists. AI will thus be a go-to for pretty much anyone who wants fast art and/or doesn't want to pay a professional to make it. That is not to say that human artists will be completely obsolete though, as I suspect that they will continue to have an edge when it comes to controlling fine details, since the input systems AI image generators use limit such control. Plus there will still be some people who prefer the "novelty" of handmade art, just like how some people today prefer vinyl records over digital music or whatever. >Human artists won't become obsolete >human made art will be a novelty like vinyl records I dont think you thought that analogy through very well. |
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| More garbage anime "art." I am not especially impressed. An artist must have a vision, and a personal style, but AIs just copy what was done previously. I will take them seriously when they start an artistic movement, i.e. never. Mirai said: Me who wants to become an artist in the future: chuckles I'm in danger Don't worry, you have more chances to become an artist than machines have chances to take over human beings (probability of the latter event=0). |
| I don't draw/paint to just make pretty pictures. It's a way to communicate my own interpretation of the World and I want to see other people's takes. So I'm not that interested in AI art. But I can see people using them for their own artworks even and not just copying them straight up. Also is it just me who saw all the anatomy mistakes and derpy eyes first? Not that impressed yet. |
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| Dude you didn't just 'produce' anything, it takes a lot more work than that to draw an anime girl. Normally I'd never commission anyone but I think you should do that before taking something like this seriously. Also, let's get some mans in this bitch. |
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| I mean is there any way that this site will have used a bunch of artwork that wasn't even theirs to build the program? That's sketch, yo! |
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OJSimpsonBronco said: StarfireDragon said: >Human artists won't become obsolete >human made art will be a novelty like vinyl records I dont think you thought that analogy through very well. I think you misunderstood what I said. I didn't say that the only purpose of human-made art would be for novelty, but that it would be one of at least 2 purposes. The other purpose would be to control details that would be hard to control with a basic text to image user interface. I can tell an AI roughly what I want to see and it can roughly recreate it, but I cannot dictate exactly what goes where. konkelo said: Also is it just me who saw all the anatomy mistakes and derpy eyes first? Not that impressed yet. Yeah anatomy is currently one of the main weaknesses of AI image generation. It is getting better though, and it will probably cease to be much of an issue within a year or so at the current rate of improvement. Vinyl records is an obsolete format of media. In order to reach that line of logic, one must infer that something new has replaced the old format. In the case of vinyl records, it's cassette tapes. In your hypothetical, it's Ai that has replaced humans. It will probably only be about a year or two at most before AI will be able to consistently match (and perhaps even surpass) the abilities of human artists. Relegating human artists to only the stuff that AI can't do sure sounds an awful lot like obsolescence to me. And this is all based on a very lofty assumption that AI will become more desirable, which, based on the bland examples you have shown, I am not convinced. |
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OJSimpsonBronco said: xMizu_ said: I mean is there any way that this site will have used a bunch of artwork that wasn't even theirs to build the program? That's sketch, yo! Yeah much of the training data comes from artists who did not consent to it, and in general AI art generation has been a legal and copyright mess. You can probably expect a lot of lawsuits and legislation relating to AI image generation in coming years, although I can't say much about what kind or what it's effects will be. StarfireDragon said: Vinyl records is an obsolete format of media. In order to reach that line of logic, one must infer that something new has replaced the old format. In the case of vinyl records, it's cassette tapes. In your hypothetical, it's Ai that has replaced humans. Relegating human artists to only the stuff that AI can't do sure sounds an awful lot like obsolescence to me. And this is all based on a very lofty assumption that AI will become more desirable, which, based on the bland examples you have shown, I am not convinced. I think I will amend my earlier statements. At current rate of improvement, it seems likely to me that AI will be able to create images that are largely indistinguishable from those created by traditional means within a couple of years or so. What exactly this means for the art world is uncertain, and may largely depend on how exactly AI image generation works and how it relates to other image creation tools. So far most of this thread's discussion has positioned artists and AI as being in opposition to each other, but may not necessarily be the case. As AI image generation becomes more advanced, its input system may become more complicated and may require greater training to use it well. It will likely also be combined with other tools like, say, photoshop. Thus AI image generators could end up just being one of many tools available to artists. I should also clarify AI image generation is still in its infancy so it is very difficult to make accurate predictions about how it will evolve and how it will impact society. Take anything I say with a grain of salt. You didn't do yourself any favors in making it seem like a vs match, lol. I think it's already "indistinguishable" in some sense. Like I said it looks straight out of the anime in some cases. But what does being indistinguishable have to do with creating good art? It could be a technical marvel, which, in some ways, it is, right now... bit that's only one small part of what makes art appealing. I dont care how indistinguishable, or how "perfect" something looks, because that is not what I care about. I just want something that can captivate me, emotionally. Maybe AI will become integrated into software. Might be interesting, but we will have to see. |
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OJSimpsonBronco said: xMizu_ said: I mean is there any way that this site will have used a bunch of artwork that wasn't even theirs to build the program? That's sketch, yo! Yeah much of the training data comes from artists who did not consent to it, and in general AI art generation has been a legal and copyright mess. You can probably expect a lot of lawsuits and legislation relating to AI image generation in coming years, although I can't say much about what kind or what it's effects will be. Bingo because they have to stand on the shoulders of anime giants to even make this. IMO it's best to practice from classic mangas that were analog/traditionally drawn. |
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OJSimpsonBronco said: Meusnier said: More garbage anime "art." I am not especially impressed. An artist must have a vision, and a personal style, but AIs just copy what was done previously. I will take them seriously when they start an artistic movement, i.e. never. Don't worry, you have more chances to become an artist than machines have chances to take over human beings (probability of the latter event=0). Aren't pretty much all art styles based on older art styles but with a few tweaks? If you look at art history you can find a sort of art style 'genealogy'. Now can AI build upon older art styles likes human artists do? At the moment, I am not sure. It can definitely combine art styles, but I am not entirely sure to what extent it can be used to create new ones. The future though is another story. AI image generation is still in its infancy and we have yet to see what the boundaries of its creative potential are. You are right, and there is a filiation in arts (especially in painting), but can you really reduce impressionism, avant-guarde Russian painters like Malevich, and Picasso's work as "a few tweaks" of older art styles? If there is a legacy from Cimabue to Basquiat, the function was not continuous, and instead of progress, Proust would talk about "geological revolutions." |
OJSimpsonBronco said: StarfireDragon said: I just want something that can captivate me, emotionally. That is an interesting point. I am not exactly sure what elements an image needs to be able to have an emotional impact on people, much less how well an AI can generate it. There's also the question of how well can someone use an AI image generator to convey their own emotions, which I am also uncertain about. It will probably help if and when AI image generators have stronger natural language processing abilities and people can just write sentences about what they want to see. Yes indeed you can do that. I will proceed to be an unpaid shill and direct you to NovelAI.net. I will warn you though that you will need to pay for a subscription to use the site's image generator. It would require an artist who already knows what makes something captivating. Maybe you can get that from an AI, but I dont think that it will be the same as an artist communicating something that they personally find interesting about their subject. If an AI is more concerned with meticulous detail, it might be easy to lose sight of what exactly stands out on a subject. Where an artist may exaggerate certain aspects that appeal to them, I dont think an AI will be that refined as to have a distinct sense of taste. |
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| AI art is so good, it's an alien entity. |
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| Artificial intelligence, for the moment, can only copy things it has already seen and improve itself in doing so, it cannot do things like invent new styles. Its use is unlikely to decrease and the sad thing is that it will replace not heavy manual work, but artistic work, apart from high-level ones. You will hardly see stuff made by artists in museums, but all workers such as freelance illustrators and the like are at risk. Probably the whole world of music, writing and art will undergo a revolution similar to that which occurred in painting with the introduction of the camera. The scary thing is what this could do to office jobs and the like, there is a risk that in the future the only jobs available will be manual ones, highly specialized research ones and those involving a great deal of bureaucracy and human interaction. |
| AI "art" is totally a scam. You would a complete fool to trust it whatsoever. |
| I have approximately 1 terabyte of anime on my computer. |
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