| Taste is thought, opinions are irrelevant. Quality is an objective value, nothing to do with ''opinions'' If you respect people's opinions, you stop saying anything of value, everything becomes the same, nothing is ugly, nothing is beautiful, and we fall into typical liberal right thinking and political correctness. Or as Nietzsche put it best, you need mediocre authors for mediocre people. NoBoDY-5 said: I don't think it is that necessary to add "in my opinion" because when somebody says things like "X is shit" and if that anime is successful of course that is his/her subjective opinion not objective. Argumentum ad populum Zanfroni said: Pretty much boils down to their own arrogance. They think their opinions are absolute and treat it like facts. They're just the type of people that need to get some sun and you should simply ignore their existence. Most people do not accept the truth, they prefer to call others arrogant or elitists as ad hominem, they want to remain in their obscurantism. Nietzsche said that the weak are not ready for it, because they have too many certitudes to remember. Witness the lack of reflection, the lack of culture, the sophisms that are recurrent on the forum... It's a sad sight... Althaf_ said: Everything in a piece of fiction are opinions. Wether it's Guts being a great character or Kirito being trash, they are not facts but rather very common opinions. Everything should be taken as an opinion wether they imply it or not. Mediocre authors for mediocre people... Jim_Heart said: Rather than simply "in my opinion", they should add "from all I have watched" kind of phrase. It's disturbing hearing someone who have watched only like 25 anime say something about "the best xxx ever" or someone who have only watched 3 mecha anime say that "all mecha anime except of those 3 are bad" when they actually don't know the others. If you were to ask a random person on the street if they like anime, they would more than likely reply ''yes''. Anime has been a part of the mainstream, and no one wants to be left out. But if you ask them what they have watched, they will probably answer something like AOT, DBZ, Naruto... There's a difference between someone who is an anime fan and someone who consumes by mimetism. You're not a cinephile if you've seen one Kubrick and two Tarantinos, same with anime. |
DYNASTIADec 24, 2021 8:58 PM
| “You’ve never succeeded at anything and you never will, and do you know why? Because you are vulgar, irremediably vulgar, and not only are you vulgar, you are ordinary.” - Maurice Pialat’s We Won't Grow Old Together (1972) |
DYNASTIA said: Taste is thought, opinions are irrelevant. Quality is an objective value, nothing to do with ''opinions'' If you respect people's opinions, you stop saying anything of value, everything becomes the same, nothing is ugly, nothing is beautiful, and we fall into typical liberal right thinking and political correctness. Or as Nietzsche put it best, you need mediocre authors for mediocre people. NoBoDY-5 said: I don't think it is that necessary to add "in my opinion" because when somebody says things like "X is shit" and if that anime is successful of course that is his/her subjective opinion not objective. Argumentum ad populum Zanfroni said: Pretty much boils down to their own arrogance. They think their opinions are absolute and treat it like facts. They're just the type of people that need to get some sun and you should simply ignore their existence. Most people do not accept the truth, they prefer to call others arrogant or elitists as ad hominem, they want to remain in their obscurantism. Nietzsche said that the weak are not ready for it, because they have too many certitudes to remember. Witness the lack of reflection, the lack of culture, the sophisms that are recurrent on the forum... It's a sad sight... Althaf_ said: Everything in a piece of fiction are opinions. Wether it's Guts being a great character or Kirito being trash, they are not facts but rather very common opinions. Everything should be taken as an opinion wether they imply it or not. Mediocre authors for mediocre people... Your behavior perfectly fits OPs description and the arrogance I've mentioned, but I'm pretty sure you're just a troll. (just waiting for your response claiming I went full ad hominem on you). |
| "No one hates anime more than the anime community, which is composed of some of the most spoiled, immature, pessimist and ungrateful people on Earth." -Anonymous anime watcher |
Zanfroni said: DYNASTIA said: Taste is thought, opinions are irrelevant. Quality is an objective value, nothing to do with ''opinions'' If you respect people's opinions, you stop saying anything of value, everything becomes the same, nothing is ugly, nothing is beautiful, and we fall into typical liberal right thinking and political correctness. Or as Nietzsche put it best, you need mediocre authors for mediocre people. Argumentum ad populum Most people do not accept the truth, they prefer to call others arrogant or elitists as ad hominem, they want to remain in their obscurantism. Nietzsche said that the weak are not ready for it, because they have too many certitudes to remember. Witness the lack of reflection, the lack of culture, the sophisms that are recurrent on the forum... It's a sad sight... Mediocre authors for mediocre people... Your behavior perfectly fits OPs description and the arrogance I've mentioned, but I'm pretty sure you're just a troll. (just waiting for your response claiming I went full ad hominem on you). I love how unable you are to prove me wrong, maybe because I am right? The ones who are able to argue their stances do it just fine. |
| “You’ve never succeeded at anything and you never will, and do you know why? Because you are vulgar, irremediably vulgar, and not only are you vulgar, you are ordinary.” - Maurice Pialat’s We Won't Grow Old Together (1972) |
| i am objectively correct though, everyone is is just wrong |
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| To be fair to people, I think that "in my opinion" is implied by inference if people are saying things like "[show X] is the greatest [anime/shounen/magical girl/romance/etc.] of all time". So it's not exactly necessary to add "in my opinion" when it's obviously an opinion. ...well, until someone actually pretends that their opinion is fact, I guess. |
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TheFireNinja said: DYNASTIA said: I love how unable you are to prove me wrong, maybe because I am right? The ones who are able to argue their stances do it just fine. It's pointless to argue with people like you because you live in your own world of what is the correct way to judge anime. Along with adding philosophical bullshit to try to make your arguments seem more well-informed then they are. There's no one way to do things. If that were the case, there wouldn't be so much division in the anime community over tastes and ratings. If objectivity truly existed, we all would be following the same standard for critiquing anime. And I don't imagine you being that one person to change such a complex environment. In general, everyone makes body with their views and heart with their opinions. Just the act of criticizing a popular franchise like Star Wars or Dragon Ball is enough to make some people jump at your throat because they are unable to conceive the idea that those works could be flawed since they devote their lives to the branding of those franchises. If you criticize those franchises, you are criticizing their taste, and criticizing their taste is tantamount to criticizing their person. This is why imposing your views on others is human nature, everyone wants to impose themselves socially ahead of the herd. A bad review for something the ''majority'' deems to be good could possibly earn you harassment, just look at some of the profiles that dared to criticize something popular. I already know that I'm the only one seemingly interested in intellectual rigor and reasoning, most of the others prefer to stray far away from it, into obscurantism. |
| “You’ve never succeeded at anything and you never will, and do you know why? Because you are vulgar, irremediably vulgar, and not only are you vulgar, you are ordinary.” - Maurice Pialat’s We Won't Grow Old Together (1972) |
| many peoples thinking that their opinion is always a fact |
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| Presumably they are too lazy to do so. |
| I always have to add the I personally, I think, From my understanding because people that judge anime objectively exist. |
| it is pretty necessary imo, for example; if someone says "X anime is trash", people, or at least i, would assume that they are implying that X anime is trash, it is a fact, and everyone should think the same way. that is like the president publicly announcing that something is bad. however, if you add "in my opinion", you are stating that X anime is trash, but only to yourself. other people don't have to realize or think the same thing, it is just something of your own opinion. |
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DYNASTIA said: Taste is thought, opinions are irrelevant. Quality is an objective value, nothing to do with ''opinions'' If you respect people's opinions, you stop saying anything of value, everything becomes the same, nothing is ugly, nothing is beautiful, and we fall into typical liberal right thinking and political correctness. Or as Nietzsche put it best, you need mediocre authors for mediocre people. NoBoDY-5 said: I don't think it is that necessary to add "in my opinion" because when somebody says things like "X is shit" and if that anime is successful of course that is his/her subjective opinion not objective. Argumentum ad populum Zanfroni said: Pretty much boils down to their own arrogance. They think their opinions are absolute and treat it like facts. They're just the type of people that need to get some sun and you should simply ignore their existence. Most people do not accept the truth, they prefer to call others arrogant or elitists as ad hominem, they want to remain in their obscurantism. Nietzsche said that the weak are not ready for it, because they have too many certitudes to remember. Witness the lack of reflection, the lack of culture, the sophisms that are recurrent on the forum... It's a sad sight... Althaf_ said: Everything in a piece of fiction are opinions. Wether it's Guts being a great character or Kirito being trash, they are not facts but rather very common opinions. Everything should be taken as an opinion wether they imply it or not. Mediocre authors for mediocre people... Jim_Heart said: Rather than simply "in my opinion", they should add "from all I have watched" kind of phrase. It's disturbing hearing someone who have watched only like 25 anime say something about "the best xxx ever" or someone who have only watched 3 mecha anime say that "all mecha anime except of those 3 are bad" when they actually don't know the others. If you were to ask a random person on the street if they like anime, they would more than likely reply ''yes''. Anime has been a part of the mainstream, and no one wants to be left out. But if you ask them what they have watched, they will probably answer something like AOT, DBZ, Naruto... There's a difference between someone who is an anime fan and someone who consumes by mimetism. You're not a cinephile if you've seen one Kubrick and two Tarantinos, same with anime. What a self-righteous reply. First of all: >Quality is an objective value, nothing to do with ''opinions'' Wrong. Quality is subjective. A person can deem an old coat which is a legacy of their parents better than any new expensive ZARA coats. And nothing wrong with that. The only thing that is objective in art is the amount of resources needed in producing the artwork. >If you respect people's opinions, you stop saying anything of value, everything becomes the same, nothing is ugly, nothing is beautiful, and we fall into typical liberal right thinking and political correctness. Well, one person's trash is another person's treasure. There's no denyimg it. Rather than nothing is ugly/beautiful, it's simply just different people have different idea of beauty. It has nothing to do with liberalism or rightism or even political correctness. And it's such a hypocrisy that you're seem as if criticizing the right-wingers when your next line is: >Or as Nietzsche put it best, you need mediocre authors for mediocre people. Sure, let's pretend that communism doesn't seek for classless society but rather this kind of stupid hierarchy that if one prefer something to another makes them a better person than the others. You're basically a typical "armchair communist". Honestly I appreciate people who can articulate why they like SAO writing a thesis worth of essay than someone who likes Soukou Akki Muramasa but can only say "Chachamaru best girl". Also FYI, while I'm also a Marxist, I never see the relations between socialism and capitalism as a mere right and wrong. That would make me equally self-righteous and braindead as you. I view it as the natural progression of things, just like how your Charmander will later need to evolve to Charmeleon and evolve again to Charizard to unleash its true potential after reaching a certain level, which I'd say to be the limits of feudalism, capitalism, etc. |
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DYNASTIA said: Zanfroni said: Your behavior perfectly fits OPs description and the arrogance I've mentioned, but I'm pretty sure you're just a troll. (just waiting for your response claiming I went full ad hominem on you). I love how unable you are to prove me wrong, maybe because I am right? The ones who are able to argue their stances do it just fine. I wonder who can argue to "prove you're wrong", especially if we consider that you live in one thick bubble. I suggest you get off your nihilistic phase and go get some sunlight. Or just keep replying. I'm laughing my ass off at your responses. |
| "No one hates anime more than the anime community, which is composed of some of the most spoiled, immature, pessimist and ungrateful people on Earth." -Anonymous anime watcher |
| yeah I usually say “in my opinion” whenever I talk about anime |
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| It is implied. In certain context I try emphasize it with my choice of words and tone, but without outright playing the in my opinion card. |
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Zanfroni said: DYNASTIA said: I love how unable you are to prove me wrong, maybe because I am right? The ones who are able to argue their stances do it just fine. I wonder who can argue to "prove you're wrong", especially if we consider that you live in one thick bubble. I suggest you get off your nihilistic phase and go get some sunlight. Or just keep replying. I'm laughing my ass off at your responses. I'm a nihilist? you obviously seem to know things about me I don't know myself... You confuse nihilism and Nietzscheanism... You're limited. I'm an asshole for little moralists like you... but I don't care about that! Nietzsche said it as well, he prefers to be treated as a buffoon by the weaklings and be laughed at... Desolated said: What a self-righteous reply. First of all: >Quality is an objective value, nothing to do with ''opinions'' Wrong. Quality is subjective. A person can deem an old coat which is a legacy of their parents better than any new expensive ZARA coats. And nothing wrong with that. The only thing that is objective in art is the amount of resources needed in producing the artwork. How am I self-righteous? Because I go against your morals? That's rich coming from a commie LARP. There's no objective quality to judge clothing? The tailoring? The quality of the fabric? Being hand-sewn? ZARA isn't exactly a luxury brand, it's cheap and (relatively) inexpensive, it's what proles can afford on a budget during sales. You're not going to pass down a ZARA coat like a Yves St-Laurent or a Burberry... How are resources relevant to art? Ever heard of performance art? Does that take many resources? No... Typical of an ordinary misomusist... Desolated said: Well, one person's trash is another person's treasure. There's no denyimg it. Rather than nothing is ugly/beautiful, it's simply just different people have different idea of beauty. It has nothing to do with liberalism or rightism or even political correctness. And it's such a hypocrisy that you're seem as if criticizing the right-wingers when your next line is: >Or as Nietzsche put it best, you need mediocre authors for mediocre people. All you're doing here is developing an excuse for mediocrity... I suppose that you, who has not read Guy Debord, won't understand the process of alienation that is underway, and why the proletarian masses need to escape from it because the spectacle serves to estrange them from gaining a revolutionary conscience. This is why learning how to read helps, you should start someday... You're punching above your weight level, I've exceeded you on the leftist scale, and any other political question. Desolated said: Sure, let's pretend that communism doesn't seek for classless society but rather this kind of stupid hierarchy that if one prefer something to another makes them a better person than the others. You're basically a typical "armchair communist". Accustoming us to more of your fallacies? I never said that my culture was superior, I'm arguing that people like you have none, that's different. It's still funny to talk to us about communism when there is no characteristic of communism in any of your claims. Which have nothing to do with the pooling of means of production and the abolition of private property, autogestion in companies ... In short... Uh, doing communism in your own corner doesn't work strangely... Learn to read, then, read the end of the Communist Party Manifesto. You're either dishonest or a HasanAbi tier 3 sub... Desolated said: Also FYI, while I'm also a Marxist, I never see the relations between socialism and capitalism as a mere right and wrong. That would make me equally self-righteous and braindead as you. I view it as the natural progression of things, just like how your Charmander will later need to evolve to Charmeleon and evolve again to Charizard to unleash its true potential after reaching a certain level, which I'd say to be the limits of feudalism, capitalism, etc. Well, you're looking at the problem backward, if you are a communist, the bourgeoisie steals from the lower class, so you proceed with a redistribution of wealth. The relation between the bourgeoisie and the proles is violent, the bourgeoisie violently exploits the proletariat, so the proletarian state must be accomplished by a revolution. ''nO RiGhT oR wRoNG'' Mmh it's true that communism doesn't lead towards a dictatorship of the proletariat... Lmao, there is no right or wrong, communism isn't a ''peaceful'' transition of powers. Communism is going to be violent, if you believe in a revolution, you will have to shed someone's blood... Also, you know that ''evolution'' has nothing to do technically with Pokemon, right? We call a sudden physical change a ''metamorphosis''. In short, go back to school. You're too weak to last, ideologically or physically, I remember you from the Vtuber thread in the now-defunct CE board...  Can the MAL commies start kicking out and excluding the capitalists in their ranks? Thx. TheFireNinja said: It's true that there are going to be some people out there who are likely to have opinions that conflict with the majority sentiment on popular shows. But I wouldn't deem it as a person trying to be socially ahead of the herd (unless that's a person's reason behind having an unpopular opinion). People just have different experiences and perspectives. At the end of the day, popularity matters very little to one's personal experience with an anime. Nor is it suggestive of quality. But even with quality, there's some factors to that as well. I do think that there can be some level of agreement between people in regards to aspects that they find appealing or nonappealing about an anime. But how it ultimately impacts their experience or feelings towards a show depends. People have different criteria in what they look for in a good anime. Some people look for anime that satisfy a certain system for them. Whereas others may have bare minimum requirements. The best thing that you can hope for in interacting in such a diverse environment is to find people that share your interests and what you look for in anime. 85 million Americans eat at McDonald's every day, it doesn't mean that McDonald's is the height of gastronomy... You're confusing quality for what the masses like. But you need to remember that not everything has the same value... All tastes aren't equal... All cultures aren't equal... All individuals aren't equal... Making us believe otherwise is one of the great errors of liberal democracy. When you tell someone what you think about a work, they get angry and think you're attacking them as a person. It's quite ridiculous, so I just save some time by saying clearly ''You love this? You're an idiot''. |
DYNASTIADec 26, 2021 3:47 PM
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DYNASTIA said: Zanfroni said: I wonder who can argue to "prove you're wrong", especially if we consider that you live in one thick bubble. I suggest you get off your nihilistic phase and go get some sunlight. Or just keep replying. I'm laughing my ass off at your responses. I'm a nihilist? you obviously seem to know things about me I don't know myself... You confuse nihilism and Nietzscheanism... You're limited. I'm an asshole for little moralists like you... but I don't care about that! Nietzsche said it as well, he prefers to be treated as a buffoon by the weaklings and be laughed at... Desolated said: What a self-righteous reply. First of all: >Quality is an objective value, nothing to do with ''opinions'' Wrong. Quality is subjective. A person can deem an old coat which is a legacy of their parents better than any new expensive ZARA coats. And nothing wrong with that. The only thing that is objective in art is the amount of resources needed in producing the artwork. How am I self-righteous? Because I go against your morals? That's rich coming from a commie LARP. There's no objective quality to judge clothing? The tailoring? The quality of the fabric? Being hand-sewn? ZARA isn't exactly a luxury brand, it's cheap and (relatively) inexpensive, it's what proles can afford on a budget during sales. You're not going to pass down a ZARA coat like a Yves St-Laurent or a Burberry... How are resources relevant to art? Ever heard of performance art? Does that take many resources? No... Typical of an ordinary misomusist... Desolated said: Well, one person's trash is another person's treasure. There's no denyimg it. Rather than nothing is ugly/beautiful, it's simply just different people have different idea of beauty. It has nothing to do with liberalism or rightism or even political correctness. And it's such a hypocrisy that you're seem as if criticizing the right-wingers when your next line is: >Or as Nietzsche put it best, you need mediocre authors for mediocre people. All you're doing here is developing an excuse for mediocrity... I suppose that you, who has not read Guy Debord, won't understand the process of alienation that is underway, and why the proletarian masses need to escape from it because the spectacle serves to estrange them from gaining a revolutionary conscience. This is why learning how to read helps, you should start someday... You're punching above your weight level, I've exceeded you on the leftist scale, and any other political question. Desolated said: Sure, let's pretend that communism doesn't seek for classless society but rather this kind of stupid hierarchy that if one prefer something to another makes them a better person than the others. You're basically a typical "armchair communist". Accustoming us to more of your fallacies? I never said that my culture was superior, I'm arguing that people like you have none, that's different. It's still funny to talk to us about communism when there is no characteristic of communism in any of your claims. Which has nothing to do with the pooling of means of production and the abolition of private property, autogestion in companies ... In short... Uh, doing communism in your own corner doesn't work strangely... Learn to read, then, read the end of the Communist Party Manifesto. You're either dishonest or a HasanAbi tier 3 sub... Desolated said: Also FYI, while I'm also a Marxist, I never see the relations between socialism and capitalism as a mere right and wrong. That would make me equally self-righteous and braindead as you. I view it as the natural progression of things, just like how your Charmander will later need to evolve to Charmeleon and evolve again to Charizard to unleash its true potential after reaching a certain level, which I'd say to be the limits of feudalism, capitalism, etc. Well, you're looking at the problem backward, if you are a communist, the bourgeoisie steals from the lower class, so you proceed with a redistribution of wealth. The relation between the bourgeoisie and the proles is violent, the bourgeoisie violently exploits the proletariat, so the proletarian state must be accomplished by a revolution. ''nO RiGhT oR wRoNG'' Mmh it's true that communism doesn't lead towards a dictatorship of the proletariat... Lmao, there is no right or wrong, communism isn't a ''peaceful'' transition of powers. Communism is going to be violent, if you believe in a revolution, you will have to shed someone's blood... Also, you know that ''evolution'' has nothing to do technically with Pokemon, right? We call a sudden physical change a ''metamorphosis''. In short, go back to school. You're too weak to last, ideologically or physically, I remember you from the Vtuber thread in the now-defunct CE board... Can the MAL commies start kicking out and excluding the capitalists in their ranks? Thx. TheFireNinja said: It's true that there are going to be some people out there who are likely to have opinions that conflict with the majority sentiment on popular shows. But I wouldn't deem it as a person trying to be socially ahead of the herd (unless that's a person's reason behind having an unpopular opinion). People just have different experiences and perspectives. At the end of the day, popularity matters very little to one's personal experience with an anime. Nor is it suggestive of quality. But even with quality, there's some factors to that as well. I do think that there can be some level of agreement between people in regards to aspects that they find appealing or nonappealing about an anime. But how it ultimately impacts their experience or feelings towards a show depends. People have different criteria in what they look for in a good anime. Some people look for anime that satisfy a certain system for them. Whereas others may have bare minimum requirements. The best thing that you can hope for in interacting in such a diverse environment is to find people that share your interests and what you look for in anime. 85 million Americans eat at McDonald's every day, it doesn't mean that McDonald's is the height of gastronomy... You're confusing quality for what the masses like. But you need to remember that not everything has the same value... All tastes aren't equal... All cultures aren't equal... All individuals aren't equal... Making us believe otherwise is one of the great errors of liberal democracy. When you tell someone what you think about a work, they get angry and think you're attacking them as a person. It's quite ridiculous, so I just save some time by saying clearly ''You love this? You're an idiot''. Apparently, I'm a moralist as well. Didn't know about that, but Lords knows-it-all here can certainly clarify stuff to me. Don't know how I'm limited when you're the one who lacks the understanding of the term "subjectivity". If anything, you're the weakling treating people here like buffons with your pseudo-philosophical garbage just because they don't adhere to the same line of thought than you do. By your warped logic, we're just providing excuses to mediocrity just because we like something you don't. |
| "No one hates anime more than the anime community, which is composed of some of the most spoiled, immature, pessimist and ungrateful people on Earth." -Anonymous anime watcher |
Zanfroni said: DYNASTIA said: I'm a nihilist? you obviously seem to know things about me I don't know myself... You confuse nihilism and Nietzscheanism... You're limited. I'm an asshole for little moralists like you... but I don't care about that! Nietzsche said it as well, he prefers to be treated as a buffoon by the weaklings and be laughed at... How am I self-righteous? Because I go against your morals? That's rich coming from a commie LARP. There's no objective quality to judge clothing? The tailoring? The quality of the fabric? Being hand-sewn? ZARA isn't exactly a luxury brand, it's cheap and (relatively) inexpensive, it's what proles can afford on a budget during sales. You're not going to pass down a ZARA coat like a Yves St-Laurent or a Burberry... How are resources relevant to art? Ever heard of performance art? Does that take many resources? No... Typical of an ordinary misomusist... All you're doing here is developing an excuse for mediocrity... I suppose that you, who has not read Guy Debord, won't understand the process of alienation that is underway, and why the proletarian masses need to escape from it because the spectacle serves to estrange them from gaining a revolutionary conscience. This is why learning how to read helps, you should start someday... You're punching above your weight level, I've exceeded you on the leftist scale, and any other political question. Accustoming us to more of your fallacies? I never said that my culture was superior, I'm arguing that people like you have none, that's different. It's still funny to talk to us about communism when there is no characteristic of communism in any of your claims. Which has nothing to do with the pooling of means of production and the abolition of private property, autogestion in companies ... In short... Uh, doing communism in your own corner doesn't work strangely... Learn to read, then, read the end of the Communist Party Manifesto. You're either dishonest or a HasanAbi tier 3 sub... Well, you're looking at the problem backward, if you are a communist, the bourgeoisie steals from the lower class, so you proceed with a redistribution of wealth. The relation between the bourgeoisie and the proles is violent, the bourgeoisie violently exploits the proletariat, so the proletarian state must be accomplished by a revolution. ''nO RiGhT oR wRoNG'' Mmh it's true that communism doesn't lead towards a dictatorship of the proletariat... Lmao, there is no right or wrong, communism isn't a ''peaceful'' transition of powers. Communism is going to be violent, if you believe in a revolution, you will have to shed someone's blood... Also, you know that ''evolution'' has nothing to do technically with Pokemon, right? We call a sudden physical change a ''metamorphosis''. In short, go back to school. You're too weak to last, ideologically or physically, I remember you from the Vtuber thread in the now-defunct CE board... Can the MAL commies start kicking out and excluding the capitalists in their ranks? Thx. 85 million Americans eat at McDonald's every day, it doesn't mean that McDonald's is the height of gastronomy... You're confusing quality for what the masses like. But you need to remember that not everything has the same value... All tastes aren't equal... All cultures aren't equal... All individuals aren't equal... Making us believe otherwise is one of the great errors of liberal democracy. When you tell someone what you think about a work, they get angry and think you're attacking them as a person. It's quite ridiculous, so I just save some time by saying clearly ''You love this? You're an idiot''. Apparently, I'm a moralist as well. Didn't know about that, but Lords knows-it-all here can certainly clarify stuff to me. Don't know how I'm limited when you're the one who lacks the understanding of the term "subjectivity". If anything, you're the weakling treating people here like buffons with your pseudo-philosophical garbage just because they don't adhere to the same line of thought than you do. By your warped logic, we're just providing excuses to mediocrity just because we like something you don't. Can you prove that I don't understand what ''subjectivity'' means? I guess not, you will just continue to screech "NO U'' at me like a first grader. Part of the course with someone so weak... |
| “You’ve never succeeded at anything and you never will, and do you know why? Because you are vulgar, irremediably vulgar, and not only are you vulgar, you are ordinary.” - Maurice Pialat’s We Won't Grow Old Together (1972) |
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DYNASTIA said: Zanfroni said: Apparently, I'm a moralist as well. Didn't know about that, but Lords knows-it-all here can certainly clarify stuff to me. Don't know how I'm limited when you're the one who lacks the understanding of the term "subjectivity". If anything, you're the weakling treating people here like buffons with your pseudo-philosophical garbage just because they don't adhere to the same line of thought than you do. By your warped logic, we're just providing excuses to mediocrity just because we like something you don't. Can you prove that I don't understand what ''subjectivity'' means? I guess not, you will just continue to screech "NO U'' at me like a first grader. Part of the course with someone so weak... I suggest you reread your first comment then. You state that the quality of things is objective and opinions are irrelevant because they take away their value. But there is no such thing as an objective value to an artform such as anime. It's a matter of perspective, this is where opinions are inserted. You seem to confuse reality with escapism. You're putting real-life examples such as communism and McDonalds in the same degree as opinions on anime, which is simply absurd. On one side, you have things that have already been proven, via scientific studies or practical examples in history that they're bad. On the otherside, you have an artform whose quality is built upon people's experiences and perspectives. Again, your logic is twisted. I also find particularly funny that in every response of yours, you label me as "weak". Are you that insecure that you need to keep repeating to yourself that you're above others? |
ZanfroniDec 26, 2021 5:10 PM
| "No one hates anime more than the anime community, which is composed of some of the most spoiled, immature, pessimist and ungrateful people on Earth." -Anonymous anime watcher |
| People tend to appeal to their own authority. Naturally, your own experience (in anything) is the best experience you could possibly convey. What people forget is that other people experience the same things differently. For instance, someone who likes electronic music who has no experience or an ear for thrash metal may discount it as garbage without giving it an actual chance. Most people who dismiss things aren't open and are naturally ignorant to new things ultimately bottlenecking their so-called 'experience' which is peak irony. One can simply say "I didn't enjoy -" or "this was not for me - (possibly at this time)", instead of appealing to their own horse-blinder authority. |
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DYNASTIA said: Zanfroni said: I wonder who can argue to "prove you're wrong", especially if we consider that you live in one thick bubble. I suggest you get off your nihilistic phase and go get some sunlight. Or just keep replying. I'm laughing my ass off at your responses. I'm a nihilist? you obviously seem to know things about me I don't know myself... You confuse nihilism and Nietzscheanism... You're limited. I'm an asshole for little moralists like you... but I don't care about that! Nietzsche said it as well, he prefers to be treated as a buffoon by the weaklings and be laughed at... Desolated said: What a self-righteous reply. First of all: >Quality is an objective value, nothing to do with ''opinions'' Wrong. Quality is subjective. A person can deem an old coat which is a legacy of their parents better than any new expensive ZARA coats. And nothing wrong with that. The only thing that is objective in art is the amount of resources needed in producing the artwork. How am I self-righteous? Because I go against your morals? That's rich coming from a commie LARP. There's no objective quality to judge clothing? The tailoring? The quality of the fabric? Being hand-sewn? ZARA isn't exactly a luxury brand, it's cheap and (relatively) inexpensive, it's what proles can afford on a budget during sales. You're not going to pass down a ZARA coat like a Yves St-Laurent or a Burberry... How are resources relevant to art? Ever heard of performance art? Does that take many resources? No... Typical of an ordinary misomusist... Desolated said: Well, one person's trash is another person's treasure. There's no denyimg it. Rather than nothing is ugly/beautiful, it's simply just different people have different idea of beauty. It has nothing to do with liberalism or rightism or even political correctness. And it's such a hypocrisy that you're seem as if criticizing the right-wingers when your next line is: >Or as Nietzsche put it best, you need mediocre authors for mediocre people. All you're doing here is developing an excuse for mediocrity... I suppose that you, who has not read Guy Debord, won't understand the process of alienation that is underway, and why the proletarian masses need to escape from it because the spectacle serves to estrange them from gaining a revolutionary conscience. This is why learning how to read helps, you should start someday... You're punching above your weight level, I've exceeded you on the leftist scale, and any other political question. Desolated said: Sure, let's pretend that communism doesn't seek for classless society but rather this kind of stupid hierarchy that if one prefer something to another makes them a better person than the others. You're basically a typical "armchair communist". Accustoming us to more of your fallacies? I never said that my culture was superior, I'm arguing that people like you have none, that's different. It's still funny to talk to us about communism when there is no characteristic of communism in any of your claims. Which have nothing to do with the pooling of means of production and the abolition of private property, autogestion in companies ... In short... Uh, doing communism in your own corner doesn't work strangely... Learn to read, then, read the end of the Communist Party Manifesto. You're either dishonest or a HasanAbi tier 3 sub... Desolated said: Also FYI, while I'm also a Marxist, I never see the relations between socialism and capitalism as a mere right and wrong. That would make me equally self-righteous and braindead as you. I view it as the natural progression of things, just like how your Charmander will later need to evolve to Charmeleon and evolve again to Charizard to unleash its true potential after reaching a certain level, which I'd say to be the limits of feudalism, capitalism, etc. Well, you're looking at the problem backward, if you are a communist, the bourgeoisie steals from the lower class, so you proceed with a redistribution of wealth. The relation between the bourgeoisie and the proles is violent, the bourgeoisie violently exploits the proletariat, so the proletarian state must be accomplished by a revolution. ''nO RiGhT oR wRoNG'' Mmh it's true that communism doesn't lead towards a dictatorship of the proletariat... Lmao, there is no right or wrong, communism isn't a ''peaceful'' transition of powers. Communism is going to be violent, if you believe in a revolution, you will have to shed someone's blood... Also, you know that ''evolution'' has nothing to do technically with Pokemon, right? We call a sudden physical change a ''metamorphosis''. In short, go back to school. You're too weak to last, ideologically or physically, I remember you from the Vtuber thread in the now-defunct CE board... Can the MAL commies start kicking out and excluding the capitalists in their ranks? Thx. TheFireNinja said: It's true that there are going to be some people out there who are likely to have opinions that conflict with the majority sentiment on popular shows. But I wouldn't deem it as a person trying to be socially ahead of the herd (unless that's a person's reason behind having an unpopular opinion). People just have different experiences and perspectives. At the end of the day, popularity matters very little to one's personal experience with an anime. Nor is it suggestive of quality. But even with quality, there's some factors to that as well. I do think that there can be some level of agreement between people in regards to aspects that they find appealing or nonappealing about an anime. But how it ultimately impacts their experience or feelings towards a show depends. People have different criteria in what they look for in a good anime. Some people look for anime that satisfy a certain system for them. Whereas others may have bare minimum requirements. The best thing that you can hope for in interacting in such a diverse environment is to find people that share your interests and what you look for in anime. 85 million Americans eat at McDonald's every day, it doesn't mean that McDonald's is the height of gastronomy... You're confusing quality for what the masses like. But you need to remember that not everything has the same value... All tastes aren't equal... All cultures aren't equal... All individuals aren't equal... Making us believe otherwise is one of the great errors of liberal democracy. When you tell someone what you think about a work, they get angry and think you're attacking them as a person. It's quite ridiculous, so I just save some time by saying clearly ''You love this? You're an idiot''. At what point in my post did I say anything about their being equality in our tastes? Or even that I equate quality to mass opinion? I acknowledge that there's differences in our tastes. And I don't think mass opinion suggests the quality of a show. All I'm just saying is that no one is right or wrong in their opinions about a show due to the differences in perspectives. Positive and negative criticisms can offer a person different points of view or ways of thinking about an anime. But there can be an issue when people promote their ways of enjoying an anime or their beliefs about good anime as the gold standard. It can often times come from a place of condescension. |
| @DYNASTIA How am I self-righteous? Because I go against your morals? That's rich coming from a commie LARP. Because you believe that you're right and others are wrong without any warrant whatsoever. Sure, I don't really know brands so I'll just gloss over it. But you get my point.There's no objective quality to judge clothing? The tailoring? The quality of the fabric? Being hand-sewn? ZARA isn't exactly a luxury brand, it's cheap and (relatively) inexpensive, it's what proles can afford on a budget during sales. You're not going to pass down a ZARA coat like a Yves St-Laurent or a Burberry... Also exactly, those things are objective. But art of storytelling and comedy? No. You can't, except like I said, the amount of materials needed to produce said art and comedy. That's about THE only thing objective about it. Funny that I'm the one LARPing instead of someone like you who has superiority complex, which is a similar mindset of those of the imperialists. All you're doing here is developing an excuse for mediocrity... Underway? More like almost reaching the end stage of it. Emotions such as love, even families are now being commodified. Which in turn alienates people from one to another. But it has nothing to do with "objectivity in art". What you're saying is basically just the "To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand" copypasta, nothing more.I suppose that you, who has not read Guy Debord, won't understand the process of alienation that is underway, and why the proletarian masses need to escape from it because the spectacle serves to estrange them from gaining a revolutionary conscience. This is why learning how to read helps, you should start someday... You're punching above your weight level, I've exceeded you on the leftist scale, and any other political question. Accustoming us to more of your fallacies? I never said that my culture was superior, I'm arguing that people like you have none, that's different. It's still funny to talk to us about communism when there is no characteristic of communism in any of your claims. Which have nothing to do with the pooling of means of production and the abolition of private property, autogestion in companies ... In short... Uh, doing communism in your own corner doesn't work strangely... Learn to read, then, read the end of the Communist Party Manifesto. You're either dishonest or a HasanAbi tier 3 sub... But it's similarly an act of you bragging about your e-penis size. I guess since you're "diction nazi"ing me down there, I'll just do it here as well. It's called "Manifesto of the Communist Party", dumbass. I've participated in some of real life organizing section, protests, as well as online group study. In other words, I touch grass, unlike you. And no, I'm not subscribing to a reformist socdem who's a proud John. I just found his 9/11 meme funny, I guess Well, you're looking at the problem backward, if you are a communist, the bourgeoisie steals from the lower class, so you proceed with a redistribution of wealth. The relation between the bourgeoisie and the proles is violent, the bourgeoisie violently exploits the proletariat, so the proletarian state must be accomplished by a revolution. ''nO RiGhT oR wRoNG'' Mmh it's true that communism doesn't lead towards a dictatorship of the proletariat... Lmao, there is no right or wrong, communism isn't a ''peaceful'' transition of powers. Communism is going to be violent, if you believe in a revolution, you will have to shed someone's blood... Also, you know that ''evolution'' has nothing to do technically with Pokemon, right? We call a sudden physical change a ''metamorphosis''. In short, go back to school. Congratulations on telling me what I already know about reform and revolution which is unrelated to my argument about right and wrong in the first place just in order to try to "defeat" me in this debate by being a "diction nazi" in the end (do you know that flight of ideas is a mental condition?), missing the point of me essentially using the analogy to simplify things. Funny that you ask me to "go back to school" when your argument in itself lacks any form of coherence. You're too weak to last, ideologically or physically, I remember you from the Vtuber thread in the now-defunct CE board... Lol.Can the MAL commies start kicking out and excluding the capitalists in their ranks? Thx. "You buy a weeb merch so you're a capitalist!" You basically just called out every people of the working class who want to save to just indulge a bit on their hobbies "capitalists". Funny because by the same logic, you're calling out everyone minus probably the North Sentinel islanders as all "capitalists" just because they engage in capitalist activity, which is currently inevitable in the first place. From eating your daily lunch, until buying merch (which in my case isn't that costy as well anyways since it's just one keychain and one figurine), there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. That's just the way it is. I can even argue that you're (or perhaps, all of us) a "capitalist" as well simply due to all the privilege you (us) have to watch anime, which industry is very exploitative towards their animators. Who have some words about dishonesty just a moment ago? Not to mention that you proudly quoted Nietzsche, the person who wrote "Beyond Good and Evil", while making fun of my notion of "There is no right and wrong" without giving any proper rebuttal at all. Get off your high horse, armchair communist who's probably thinking that "I'm more of a true communist than Marx himself!" Don't bother replying. You're too repulsive, incoherent, and will probably end up in "struggle session" with that kind of mentality anyways. |
DesolatedDec 26, 2021 7:09 PM
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| Just insert "In my opinion" into the quote territory of every person you're talking with if you're so hot and bothered about it. I certainly don't feel like adding it for you. Side-note, @DYNASTIA Is likely the most conceited person I've had the pleasure of reading this year. Congrats. DYNASTIA said: You managed to be conceited in your smug rebuttal to being conceited. Congrats.Well, when you are cultured, when you speak well, you necessarily seem a little arrogant, the others are just not up to the level. |
TylaenDec 27, 2021 11:05 AM
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| because they try to look cool asf.lolllllllllll |
You all have to undrestand that Chainsaw man is impossible to adapt without CG. |
| I look down on people who use "in my opinion" to every statement they make. It usually just sounds like they don't know how to stand their ground or they themselves don't stand with their take or "I can't handle the humiliation". If they sound like they're on a high horse is a different situation though. I use "in my opinion" only if necessary, most of the time I try to sound like its my opinion, other than flat out using my "in my opinion" card. |
darrenkbennDec 26, 2021 9:44 PM
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Zanfroni said: I suggest you reread your first comment then. You state that the quality of things is objective and opinions are irrelevant because they take away their value. But there is no such thing as an objective value to an artform such as anime. It's a matter of perspective, this is where opinions are inserted. You seem to confuse reality with escapism. You're putting real-life examples such as communism and McDonalds in the same degree as opinions on anime, which is simply absurd. On one side, you have things that have already been proven, via scientific studies or practical examples in history that they're bad. On the otherside, you have an artform whose quality is built upon people's experiences and perspectives. Again, your logic is twisted. I also find particularly funny that in every response of yours, you label me as "weak". Are you that insecure that you need to keep repeating to yourself that you're above others? You seem to have a reading problem, so let me clarify. I said that opinions are irrelevant, why? Because anyone can have one. But do most people have an informed opinion? No... What do most people know about the animation process or the history of the medium to give a fair judgment? Nothing... Truffaut said that we'll need to habituate ourselves to hearing the cinematic judgments of people who have never heard of Murnau... People with no clue give their perspectives on a medium they don't know, this is how you delve into fatalism like ''I like it and that's that!'' You speak as if ''perspective'' isn't tainted by your social class, your education, and your environment, a nice little apology for your liberal mediocrity, you defend alienation because you are alienated yourself by your ''escapism''. It's just stupid entertainment, poorly done, used to maximize profits, and seeing that when people come home from work they need to "clear their heads", It works... That's the very definition of alienation, read ''The Society of Spectacle'' by Guy Debord. You don't even know the difference between your taste and quality... Maybe, next time, prove that my logic is twisted? And while you're at it, share with us your enlightened ''perspective'' on the failure of communism, I feel like I could use a laugh. And dude, if you had read Nietzsche, you would have known what being ''weak'' or ''strong'' means... TheFireNinja said: At what point in my post did I say anything about their being equality in our tastes? Or even that I equate quality to mass opinion? I acknowledge that there's differences in our tastes. And I don't think mass opinion suggests the quality of a show. All I'm just saying is that no one is right or wrong in their opinions about a show due to the differences in perspectives. Positive and negative criticisms can offer a person different points of view or ways of thinking about an anime. But there can be an issue when people promote their ways of enjoying an anime or their beliefs about good anime as the gold standard. It can often times come from a place of condescension. That's what I told you, not every opinion is of value or should be listened to since everyone has one, we need to select who's opinions we choose to listen to, and often time, popularity trumps knowledge. All you can tell me is ''no one is wrong or right''. There is an authority crisis, people don't want to listen to experts or critics, which is why so many are listening to anti-vaxxers instead of health professionals. And when WretchCr1tikal does a video denigrating art, do you think his audience even knows what contemporary art is? The disadvantaged classes have a very scholarly taste of art, all the references they have are the ones that are part of the standardized curriculum, which is why there's a virulent rejection from some of anything too ''modern'' or ''experimental", read ''The Inheritors'' by Bourdieu. You're negating the social and environmental influence of the word ''taste'', it's not something people decide for themselves entirely. Desolated said: Also exactly, those things are objective. But art of storytelling and comedy? No. You can't, except like I said, the amount of materials needed to produce said art and comedy. That's about THE only thing objective about it. Nice shift of the goalpost there, you said something stupid, and now, you're saying even more dumb shit. You said nothing about traditional art in your original reply, but ok. Can you prove that it's the only objective factor on which to judge a medium? Begging the question. Desolated said: Funny that I'm the one LARPing instead of someone like you who has superiority complex, which is a similar mindset of those of the imperialists. Proof that I have a superiority complex or that I have the mindset of an imperialist? I don't know why, but I feel like you're not medically qualified to deliver judgments on someone's mental state... This is begging to seem like resentment and anger on your part... Desolated said: Underway? More like almost reaching the end stage of it. Emotions such as love, even families are now being commodified. Which in turn alienates people from one to another. But it has nothing to do with "objectivity in art". What you're saying is basically just the "To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand" copypasta, nothing more. How to confirm to me that you haven't read Guy Debord... You're not on my level. I never said that subjectivity doesn't play a part in art appreciation, I said that subjectivity isn't the most pertinent criteria. Analysis of art is made on an objective basis. If you see Duchamp's fountain, no one cares about your like-dislike ''opinion'' of it, it's not important to what it symbolizes. Nice strawman. Desolated said: I guess since you're "diction nazi"ing me down there, I'll just do it here as well. It's called "Manifesto of the Communist Party", dumbass. 🤔  And one Godwin point, one. Desolated said: I've participated in some of real life organizing section, protests, as well as online group study. In other words, I touch grass, unlike you. So you've done LARP irl, sorry for doubting your credentials... What's your parents' profession and income bracket? If you read Marx, you would understand what he says about the people who want to reform and ''better'' the condition of proletarian workers through protests while maintaining the same economic and class system. It's called bourgeois socialism, or conservative socialism. Desolated said: Congratulations on telling me what I already know about reform and revolution which is unrelated to my argument about right and wrong in the first place just in order to try to "defeat" me in this debate by being a "diction nazi" in the end (do you know that flight of ideas is a mental condition?), missing the point of me essentially using the analogy to simplify things. Funny that you ask me to "go back to school" when your argument in itself lacks any form of coherence. Oh, a little moralizer who tries to make me look crazy because I go against his morals... Nietzsche talks about it too ... that's what is wonderful with the weak ... they are so predictable ... I also need to remind you that medical impersonation is a felony under the penal codes of most states and is punishable by fines or possible jail time. Can you prove that my arguments lack coherence? Can you define ''diction nazi'' for me? Look for yourself on this scale.  Desolated said: Lol. "You buy a weeb merch so you're a capitalist!" You basically just called out every people of the working class who want to save to just indulge a bit on their hobbies "capitalists". Funny because by the same logic, you're calling out everyone minus probably the North Sentinel islanders as all "capitalists" just because they engage in capitalist activity, which is currently inevitable in the first place. From eating your daily lunch, until buying merch (which in my case isn't that costy as well anyways since it's just one keychain and one figurine), there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. That's just the way it is. I can even argue that you're (or perhaps, all of us) a "capitalist" as well simply due to all the privilege you (us) have to watch anime, which industry is very exploitative towards their animators. Who have some words about dishonesty just a moment ago? Not to mention that you proudly quoted Nietzsche, the person who wrote "Beyond Good and Evil", while making fun of my notion of "There is no right and wrong" without giving any proper rebuttal at all. Yes, because anime figures are produced under humane conditions and aren't useless chunks of plastic proving your bad taste... Lunch, or even a video game, responds to someone's need, your figurines serve no purpose. Alienation ... Alienation my boy ... How do you want to overthrow the system if you yourself are alienated by this system, alienation preventing you from any revolutionary inclinations? Do you think when the time comes, you and your LARP crew will dare to give up your figurines and your bodypillows? A bourgeois with ugly plastic figurines who preaches online... no need to say anything more. And when did I say that I was a communist, or that I was more of a communist than Marx? You're weak and disposable. Tylaen said: Side-note, @DYNASTIA Is likely the most conceited person I've had the pleasure of reading this year. Congrats. Well, when you are cultured, when you speak well, you necessarily seem a little arrogant, the others are just not up to the level. |
DYNASTIADec 27, 2021 1:39 AM
| “You’ve never succeeded at anything and you never will, and do you know why? Because you are vulgar, irremediably vulgar, and not only are you vulgar, you are ordinary.” - Maurice Pialat’s We Won't Grow Old Together (1972) |
| Dunno fam I have no such problem in saying it. Why would anyone have it tho? |
| I usually take it for granted when I speak in a forum that that is my opinion and not someone else's |
| I don't think its a big deal. Some people are just very confident in their opinion and don't feel the need. I sometimes don't whenever I have a very strong opinion on something. Like whenever referring to Berserk. Though I find it it obvious that of course that its an opinion. I am sure there is at least one guy out there who thinks Berserk CG is good. |
  Even If We Painstakingly Piece Together Something Lost, It Doesn't Mean Things Will Ever go Back To How They Were - Guts  |
Nurguburu said: CuteAssTiger said: Because I'm only exclusively spitting straight facts all day long Probably the best answer in this thread! Thanks xD Didn't except anyone to find it buried under the heavy debates going on here xD |
darrenkbenn said: I look down on people who use "in my opinion" to every statement they make. It usually just sounds like they don't know how to stand their ground or they themselves don't stand with their take or "I can't handle the humiliation". If they sound like they're on a high horse is a different situation though. I use "in my opinion" only if necessary, most of the time I try to sound like its my opinion, other than flat out using my "in my opinion" card. This is a really good take. When people use IMO on things it often sounds like they aren't quite convinced themselves. Or they don't know why they think that way. Of course that somewhat depends on the context and what is being said |
| "in my opinion" is implied. you shouldnt HAVE to say "in my opinion" about subjective matters like this. there is no objectivity in art. |
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Monochrosanity said: This should have been the end of the thread. The fact that it’s their opinion is almost always inherent. There’s not really a reason to state it. |
| People saying it's implied really don't know how incapable these forums are when it comes to properly conveying their opinions in a subjective way and not denying others contrary opinions. You guys are giving these forums WAY too much credit, half of these opinion posts absolutely do not have "this is my opinion" implied. |
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| @DYNASTIA oh well, look at you, still replying even when I said don't bother. But now that you've slandered me on a lotta things, I'm afraid I have to now, to clarify things so others who read your post aren't being misled by your slanders. Nice shift of the goalpost there, you said something stupid, and now, you're saying even more dumb shit. I can basically says the same thing about you, judging on this reply to me You said nothing about traditional art in your original reply, but ok. Can you prove that it's the only objective factor on which to judge a medium? Sure.Begging the question. Because that's the only thing that can have a concrete standard of measurement. Let's talk about salt in food, for instance. One put 3 grams of salt in a dish as a seasoning per plate, and there are 3 plates. A billionaire, a farmer, and a Hiki-NEET are each given 1 plate of the food. The billionaire and the Hiki-NEET said that the dish is "too salty", whereas the farmer said that it's "too plain, needs more salt". So which statement here is subjective, and which one is objective? "Too salty" "too plain" are all subjective remarks. "The salt is 3 grams per plate" is an objective remark. Now which one do you usually see in a critic reviews of a movie or book whatsoever, is it the former, or the latter? It's the former, without a doubt. And one can always further ask "How much is too much/few of something?" and you will never receive a concrete dose of it in regards of art. But for the amount of materials used to create said art, one can answer the said question with a concrete dose (e.g. the studio rent price, the clothes you need to buy, the electricity bill, the makeup cost, how many litre of paint you used, etcetc), and therefore objective. How to confirm to me that you haven't read Guy Debord... You're not on my level. I never said that subjectivity doesn't play a part in art appreciation, I said that subjectivity isn't the most pertinent criteria. Analysis of art is made on an objective basis. If you see Duchamp's fountain, no one cares about your like-dislike ''opinion'' of it, it's not important to what it symbolizes. Nice strawman. "A critical analysis is subjective writing because it expresses the writer's opinion or evaluation of a text." Source/Reference: https://www2.southeastern.edu/Academics/Faculty/elejeune/critique.htm "Movie reviews can be informative—they can help you decide which movies to see and which to skip. But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. A movie that one critic thinks is dull and boring may be what another critic contends is the best picture of the year. And you may have an entirely different opinion." Source/Reference: http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 I guess since you're "diction nazi"ing me down there, I'll just do it here as well. It's called "Manifesto of the Communist Party", dumbass. 🤔 And one Godwin point, one.[/quote] But I'm not wrong.  Now search for the book published with the exact title of "Communist Party Manifesto", if you can't, then you're wrong So you've done LARP irl, sorry for doubting your credentials... What's your parents' profession and income bracket? If you read Marx, you would understand what he says about the people who want to reform and ''better'' the condition of proletarian workers through protests while maintaining the same economic and class system. It's called bourgeois socialism, or conservative socialism. Nice job of slandering me as some kind of child of a millionaire and that I'm just a socdem. Oh wait, my dad is actually Elon Musk! What should I do??? I've been exposed on MAL! NOOOOO.... sike. Oh well, I'll doxx myself a bit so that no shithead like you would've sus me outta nowhere. My parents are both an employee of a state owned property and that's just about all the job they have, whereas I work on both state owned property and a privately owned property as an employee. Also not everyone has the privilege of able to own a gun. Sorry but, the US isn't the world. I don't live in the "Land of the Free". I live in a country that used to be a US puppet state under fascist junta dictatorship for 32 years. Guns are banned here, but nevertheless, our government is trying to stand up against the imperialism of the Global North now. Oh, a little moralizer who tries to make me look crazy because I go against his morals... Before you accusing me of "name-calling" for calling you a "diction nazi" with lack of coherence, please try to even reread what you've written, here:Nietzsche talks about it too ... that's what is wonderful with the weak ... they are so predictable ... I also need to remind you that medical impersonation is a felony under the penal codes of most states and is punishable by fines or possible jail time. Can you prove that my arguments lack coherence? Can you define ''diction nazi'' for me? Look for yourself on this scale. Well, you're looking at the problem backward, if you are a communist, the bourgeoisie steals from the lower class, so you proceed with a redistribution of wealth. There is no correlation whatsoever between my statement of "There is no right or wrong" with "Reform or Revolution", so basically you're jumping from point A to point B, by simply explaining point B without realizing that point B has no correlation with point A and you think of it as if you have refuted my point of "there is no right or wrong". Jumping from one point to another unrelated point is called "flight of ideas" in psychiatry, and is why your paragraph lacks coherence between trying to refute my point of "there is no right or wrong" and then you try to talk about reform or revolution.The relation between the bourgeoisie and the proles is violent, the bourgeoisie violently exploits the proletariat, so the proletarian state must be accomplished by a revolution. ''nO RiGhT oR wRoNG'' Mmh it's true that communism doesn't lead towards a dictatorship of the proletariat... Lmao, there is no right or wrong, communism isn't a ''peaceful'' transition of powers. Communism is going to be violent, if you believe in a revolution, you will have to shed someone's blood... Also, you know that ''evolution'' has nothing to do technically with Pokemon, right? We call a sudden physical change a ''metamorphosis''. In short, go back to school. Also that's not even the reason why establishing Socialist Dictatorship of the Proletariat must be through revolution. It's because historically, even a transition from feudalism to capitalism has been through a bloody revolution, and that also historically, reform has been proven to be able to be easily rolled back (e.g. during Reagan's era), as long as the ruling class (the people working in the government, the lawmakers, etc) are still the bourgeoisie or people who can be easily influenced by the bourgeoisie via lobbying etc, which will in turn will make laws in favor of the bourgeoisie. It's not about how harsh the exploitation the bourgeoisie to the proletariat, but rather due to the inherent class conflict between them. Anyways, not even the CPUSA is planning to do a revolution in US in a short period, and you're gonna call them as a "fake communist" as well? Smh. Me calling you a "diction nazi" was due to your second paragraph. Your argument boils down to one. single. word. In which if course, in my analogy of Pokemon, it's also called as an "evolution" in the franchise, and when I say about it, I mean the word by the Pokemon terminology, not the general one. That's the whole thing about your paragraph. You didn't even refute my point, but just rather try to take me down for my usage of the single word of "evolution", which isn't even wrong in the first place given the franchise terminology. It's a pathetic attempt of "defeating" someone in a debate. Yes, because anime figures are produced under humane conditions and aren't useless chunks of plastic proving your bad taste... Except that decorations is a response to someone's need. Even in countries like North Korea, decorations of a room or restaurant or hotel exists. Sorry but, room decorations are something that will persists under socialism.Lunch, or even a video game, responds to someone's need, your figurines serve no purpose. Alienation ... Alienation my boy ... How do you want to overthrow the system if you yourself are alienated by this system, alienation preventing you from any revolutionary inclinations? No? The biggest class contradiction in the world right now is between the imperialist countries vs the imperialized countries, that's why most of the left-leaning countries in the Global South emphasis their policy on anti-imperialism first, anti-capitalism second. And nearly all of the product I use are made in my own country, and a lot of them are handmade Do you think when the time comes, you and your LARP crew will dare to give up your figurines and your bodypillows? A bourgeois with ugly plastic figurines who preaches online... no need to say anything more. Do I really need to remind you of this? It's not even on a different post. You accused me of "name-calling" while you yourself are doing the same right now, and unlike me, your slander are 100% baseless. You don't know me. You never meet me irl, and here you are, namecalling me as "a Bourgeois". Sorry to say this but I own no private property, unless you're a filthy libertarian who probably thinks that my body is my private property or something. Honestly I think the more you talk the more you'll end up make fun if yourself, because in a lot of your pathetic attempt of "roasting" me, the only thing I need to do is to just pull the "no u" card, because that's just how frail your attempts are. All bark, no bite. Anyways bodypillows are personal property. There is no reason someone would give their personal property even under communism. "Abolition of personal property" is just a Red Scare strawman of the communists "wanting to take toothbrushes for public uses". Communists only seeks to abolish private property, not the personal one. Imagine flaunting about the books you read but not even able to distinguish between private and personal property. What a clown 🤡 And when did I say that I was a communist, or that I was more of a communist than Marx? Since you've stalked my post hIstory, I guess it's fine for me to stalk yours as well:You're weak and disposable. https://web.archive.org/web/20211227174521/https://anilist.co/user/DYNASTIA/ Again. All bark, no bite, and another namecalling. Here, I'll remind you to this once more: |
DesolatedDec 27, 2021 9:50 AM
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| Well, "x anime is shit" is always an opinion regardless of whether the speaker says that it is. None of yall dumbasses speak/think in facts. And it's only douchey if you're saying it to roast ppl who like x anime, which unfortunately is a lot of peoples' intentions |
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DYNASTIA said: Zanfroni said: I suggest you reread your first comment then. You state that the quality of things is objective and opinions are irrelevant because they take away their value. But there is no such thing as an objective value to an artform such as anime. It's a matter of perspective, this is where opinions are inserted. You seem to confuse reality with escapism. You're putting real-life examples such as communism and McDonalds in the same degree as opinions on anime, which is simply absurd. On one side, you have things that have already been proven, via scientific studies or practical examples in history that they're bad. On the otherside, you have an artform whose quality is built upon people's experiences and perspectives. Again, your logic is twisted. I also find particularly funny that in every response of yours, you label me as "weak". Are you that insecure that you need to keep repeating to yourself that you're above others? You seem to have a reading problem, so let me clarify. I said that opinions are irrelevant, why? Because anyone can have one. But do most people have an informed opinion? No... What do most people know about the animation process or the history of the medium to give a fair judgment? Nothing... Truffaut said that we'll need to habituate ourselves to hearing the cinematic judgments of people who have never heard of Murnau... People with no clue give their perspectives on a medium they don't know, this is how you delve into fatalism like ''I like it and that's that!'' You speak as if ''perspective'' isn't tainted by your social class, your education, and your environment, a nice little apology for your liberal mediocrity, you defend alienation because you are alienated yourself by your ''escapism''. It's just stupid entertainment, poorly done, used to maximize profits, and seeing that when people come home from work they need to "clear their heads", It works... That's the very definition of alienation, read ''The Society of Spectacle'' by Guy Debord. You don't even know the difference between your taste and quality... Maybe, next time, prove that my logic is twisted? And while you're at it, share with us your enlightened ''perspective'' on the failure of communism, I feel like I could use a laugh. And dude, if you had read Nietzsche, you would have known what being ''weak'' or ''strong'' means... TheFireNinja said: At what point in my post did I say anything about their being equality in our tastes? Or even that I equate quality to mass opinion? I acknowledge that there's differences in our tastes. And I don't think mass opinion suggests the quality of a show. All I'm just saying is that no one is right or wrong in their opinions about a show due to the differences in perspectives. Positive and negative criticisms can offer a person different points of view or ways of thinking about an anime. But there can be an issue when people promote their ways of enjoying an anime or their beliefs about good anime as the gold standard. It can often times come from a place of condescension. That's what I told you, not every opinion is of value or should be listened to since everyone has one, we need to select who's opinions we choose to listen to, and often time, popularity trumps knowledge. All you can tell me is ''no one is wrong or right''. There is an authority crisis, people don't want to listen to experts or critics, which is why so many are listening to anti-vaxxers instead of health professionals. And when WretchCr1tikal does a video denigrating art, do you think his audience even knows what contemporary art is? The disadvantaged classes have a very scholarly taste of art, all the references they have are the ones that are part of the standardized curriculum, which is why there's a virulent rejection from some of anything too ''modern'' or ''experimental", read ''The Inheritors'' by Bourdieu. You're negating the social and environmental influence of the word ''taste'', it's not something people decide for themselves entirely. Desolated said: Also exactly, those things are objective. But art of storytelling and comedy? No. You can't, except like I said, the amount of materials needed to produce said art and comedy. That's about THE only thing objective about it. Nice shift of the goalpost there, you said something stupid, and now, you're saying even more dumb shit. You said nothing about traditional art in your original reply, but ok. Can you prove that it's the only objective factor on which to judge a medium? Begging the question. Desolated said: Funny that I'm the one LARPing instead of someone like you who has superiority complex, which is a similar mindset of those of the imperialists. Proof that I have a superiority complex or that I have the mindset of an imperialist? I don't know why, but I feel like you're not medically qualified to deliver judgments on someone's mental state... This is begging to seem like resentment and anger on your part... Desolated said: Underway? More like almost reaching the end stage of it. Emotions such as love, even families are now being commodified. Which in turn alienates people from one to another. But it has nothing to do with "objectivity in art". What you're saying is basically just the "To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand" copypasta, nothing more. How to confirm to me that you haven't read Guy Debord... You're not on my level. I never said that subjectivity doesn't play a part in art appreciation, I said that subjectivity isn't the most pertinent criteria. Analysis of art is made on an objective basis. If you see Duchamp's fountain, no one cares about your like-dislike ''opinion'' of it, it's not important to what it symbolizes. Nice strawman. Desolated said: I guess since you're "diction nazi"ing me down there, I'll just do it here as well. It's called "Manifesto of the Communist Party", dumbass. 🤔 And one Godwin point, one. Desolated said: I've participated in some of real life organizing section, protests, as well as online group study. In other words, I touch grass, unlike you. So you've done LARP irl, sorry for doubting your credentials... What's your parents' profession and income bracket? If you read Marx, you would understand what he says about the people who want to reform and ''better'' the condition of proletarian workers through protests while maintaining the same economic and class system. It's called bourgeois socialism, or conservative socialism. Desolated said: Congratulations on telling me what I already know about reform and revolution which is unrelated to my argument about right and wrong in the first place just in order to try to "defeat" me in this debate by being a "diction nazi" in the end (do you know that flight of ideas is a mental condition?), missing the point of me essentially using the analogy to simplify things. Funny that you ask me to "go back to school" when your argument in itself lacks any form of coherence. Oh, a little moralizer who tries to make me look crazy because I go against his morals... Nietzsche talks about it too ... that's what is wonderful with the weak ... they are so predictable ... I also need to remind you that medical impersonation is a felony under the penal codes of most states and is punishable by fines or possible jail time. Can you prove that my arguments lack coherence? Can you define ''diction nazi'' for me? Look for yourself on this scale. Desolated said: Lol. "You buy a weeb merch so you're a capitalist!" You basically just called out every people of the working class who want to save to just indulge a bit on their hobbies "capitalists". Funny because by the same logic, you're calling out everyone minus probably the North Sentinel islanders as all "capitalists" just because they engage in capitalist activity, which is currently inevitable in the first place. From eating your daily lunch, until buying merch (which in my case isn't that costy as well anyways since it's just one keychain and one figurine), there's no ethical consumption under capitalism. That's just the way it is. I can even argue that you're (or perhaps, all of us) a "capitalist" as well simply due to all the privilege you (us) have to watch anime, which industry is very exploitative towards their animators. Who have some words about dishonesty just a moment ago? Not to mention that you proudly quoted Nietzsche, the person who wrote "Beyond Good and Evil", while making fun of my notion of "There is no right and wrong" without giving any proper rebuttal at all. Yes, because anime figures are produced under humane conditions and aren't useless chunks of plastic proving your bad taste... Lunch, or even a video game, responds to someone's need, your figurines serve no purpose. Alienation ... Alienation my boy ... How do you want to overthrow the system if you yourself are alienated by this system, alienation preventing you from any revolutionary inclinations? Do you think when the time comes, you and your LARP crew will dare to give up your figurines and your bodypillows? A bourgeois with ugly plastic figurines who preaches online... no need to say anything more. And when did I say that I was a communist, or that I was more of a communist than Marx? You're weak and disposable. Tylaen said: Side-note, @DYNASTIA Is likely the most conceited person I've had the pleasure of reading this year. Congrats. Well, when you are cultured, when you speak well, you necessarily seem a little arrogant, the others are just not up to the level. Holy moly, you're way over your head. So people can't opinate on something unless they have a good amount of knowledge (measured by... who exactly?) to opinate on something. Because people who simply enjoy a medium for casual entertainment are mediocres, I guess. Typical fucked-up logic from people with a superiority complex. Pretty sad. Again, you're inserting objectivity where it doesn't exist. But this one killed me: "a nice little apology for your liberal mediocrity" LOL, you don't even know me, dude. For starters, I'm not even a liberal. But I guess I don't know that and you know me better than myself just because you spilled some pseudo-philosophical bullshit on a thread of an anime website. Talk about being pathetic. Can you stop gratuitously inserting politics and ideologies where they're not needed? Also, if you think you're not alienated from reality, you just proved that you are. Everyone lives in their own bubble in some way. If you think you're morally superior than everyone else and others are weak, well... again, shows how thick your bubble is. "You don't even know the difference between your taste and quality..." A bunch of arrogant bullshit. Quality in artform is entirely subjective and goes from people's perspectives. I've said that countless times already and you did nothing to prove quality is objective. All you did was namecall people because they don't share the same view of quality as you do. If you can't see that, just shows how blinded you are by your superiority complex. Who defines what this "quality" you're talking about is? Pretty sure you can't answer this clear, direct and without blabbering nietzscheism. I'll leave this as it is. I have better stuff to do in my life. Just remember that you're not being smart nor intellectual here. You're just being pretentious and dull. All you did was namecall people because they don't share the same worldview as yours. You must be a sad person, but thanks for the inumerous laughs I've had reading through your nonsense. |
| "No one hates anime more than the anime community, which is composed of some of the most spoiled, immature, pessimist and ungrateful people on Earth." -Anonymous anime watcher |
| yeah people should be sputting facts like I doo |
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