Estimated 1 Trillion Yen for KNY franchise

Xacobe01 said:


I'm referring to quality in the technical side of things. Nobody grown up enough enjoys a shounen for its story, but you can enjoy more things. Don't be like that "cultured taste" guy that talks about quality shows and hasn't watched even 80 animes, let alone quality ones.

And yeah @Scordolo, that's you right there

Scordolo said:

LMAO what does the number of anime has ANYTHING to do with me wanting more quality writing Anime? Congratulations, you just lost all your validation to your opinion.

deg said:


dude i enjoyed Demon Slayer to give a high rating both anime and manga but im not a blind fanboy that will say it has a groundbreaking or even an original story, i agree that the characters of this show are great but im talking about how generic the story is the story is just executed better with how great the animation and how fast pace or never boring the story pacing in the manga is

devilmaacry said:
Man
Literally, masterclass animation can put a below average story also to great heights
But , man, these days people only need soundtrack and animation, story is nothing for them

Vanshkuhar said:

What are u even saying smh, most studios don’t make anime originals, they adapt stories from manga, light novels and visual novels, so they don’t have to go around spending money for production of source material

devilmaacry said:
Man
Literally, masterclass animation can put a below average story also to great heights
But , man, these days people only need soundtrack and animation, story is nothing for them

Xshake said:

After saying this much in a demon slayer discussion section.
Your are still going to watch it .aren’t u a🤡 . Story is nothing for them wdym ? It’s an easy understandable story .so ? What u want a death note type writing ? If aren’t satisfied then stop watching instead of crying here in mal discussion which is irrelevant.

Xacobe01 said:


What it means is that you talk about quality without knowing what quality is, because literally you haven't watched enough shows to know what quality is. Dude there is a minimum of 20 shows that can be mentioned when you talk about quality story telling before Vinland saga.

Vanshkuhar said:

Smh fr man 86 anime out of the 90 anime you’ve watched are adaptation and 4 are anime originals *sighs intensely*

Xshake said:

What ?a person who is having DITF as his fav anime talking about Quality story telling oh please 😂.

devilmaacry said:
yup
Gonna stop watching it
And, not understandable? it's flawed
Wanna have spoilers
So moron, shut up and mind your own business
Man, it's flawed in manga, hoping some changes in anime so it would become better
Not a typical hater like you

Xshake said:

Typical hater ? Obvious hater is infront of me 🤦‍♂️. Flawed manga huh ? There is nothing like perfect so stfu . Well i was minding my own business by triggering a hater like you my bad . Already finished the manga so go on spam spoilers I hope u are aware of mal discussion rules . So please for rest of the people don’t do it .

Xshake said:

Typical hater ? Obvious hater is infront of me 🤦‍♂️. Flawed manga huh ? There is nothing like perfect so stfu . Well i was minding my own business by triggering a hater like you my bad . Already finished the manga so go on spam spoilers I hope u are aware of mal discussion rules . So please for rest of the people don’t do it .

Xacobe01 said:


Oh, what a pity, continue following the mob mentality of "Darling in the Franxx is a bad anime". It was special for me in its moment, and thats why it's in my favorites list. It may not be the best anime in quality reign, but it was pretty pretty good.

Also, dude, I have 190 animes on my completed list, you can check those to see my taste. It was easy to go through your 90 and knowing you don't have a really developed criteria

deg said:


Demon Slayer become big because of episode 19 alone dude and specifically the last sakuga scene with awesome animation and soundtrack

if Demon Slayer got bad animation it will not be as popular

Xshake said:

Is it really matters how much u have watched needed to be checked in mal 😂 I’m new so it will take some time to adding so stuff in profile so don’t judge peoples by their mal watch list before that check when did they joined . Like u said DITF was special to you so it’s same goes for that fella who was saying KNY was best . actually everyone thinks it’s bad so ratio wins bruh it means you are the minority pervs who must over zero two.
DITF never was adapted well and wtf was that giant zero two with a big unicorn 😂 . In the end it was more underground shit . Well u are still arguing in mal to prove the quality story telling in kny is bad but as we can see mal discussion group is irrelevant like Pluto in solar system.

Xacobe01 said:


Bro, you were the one to check it first. Let's start with the rant

1- Darling in the Franxx is not an adaptation, it's original anime.
2- I have my criteria, so I don't care about the majority rationing my opinion. I literally don't give a shit about what they say. Lots of quality anime are ratioed as bad, and they aren't (Paranoia agent is the first example that comes to my mind). I can watch anime, know they are not the best, and still enjoy them.
3- I never said the stroy telling in KnY was bad, I just said that if you want a show with a good and interesting story, there arw better options than a Shonen Jump manga story, designed to be easily consumed by young audiences.

deg said:


more like interpreting the data and how historically great animation and visuals boosted the popularity of an anime and i already provided even a whole studio dedicated to that observation

if you think Demon Slayer have great story then ok that is just you and not the general population since we know mainstream shows have generic stories most of the time it all comes down to execution like better visuals or animation at this one

MikitoList said:

Every anime boosts the popularity of a manga regardless of story or animation. That’s literally what the entire purpose of making the anime is for. If KnY is boosted by animation due to the manga sales rising after the end of the anime, then so is literally every manga series in existence, including One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, HxH, AOT, FMA, etc.

Lol and that isn’t “just me.” You literally can’t say that. There is 0 data on something like that. For the third time, you’re talking out of your ass. You personally don’t find anything special about the show other than its animation, but don’t project that onto everyone else.

deg said:


duh that is obvious but youre denying what im saying like the whole Kyoto Animation doing average stories while having great animation and look at how good their profit is, same is true with One Punch Man and Demon Slayer

yes Demon Slayer has a generic story if you cannot see that then watch more anime again there is no originality anymore but just better execution like with better animation

youre so obsessed with data? look at the top 200 popular and top 200 ranking here on MAL and tell me if animation quality does not matter

MikitoList said:
You’re denying reality. You’re not listening to anyone but yourself. There is nothing objectively average about any story. You asserting that it’s average doesn’t actually make it average. If you think the story is mediocre then that’s your opinion. There is nothing objectively bad with the story.

No story is completely original. Every story takes from previous stories. You tell me to watch more anime, yet I’m sure there are hundreds of shows that are just like the ones you consider original, yet you just wouldn’t know because you haven’t seen them. And being unoriginal doesn’t make something bad.

MAL rankings mean absolutely nothing. It’s just a conglomeration of people’s opinions, from a skewed data group, who are equally as smooth-brained as you. Millions of people love the MANGA for its story, characters, and writing. You can’t change that, and no data that you’ve brought up has shown that either, sorry.

deg said:


fighting monsters or demons is a generic story or plot especially in an battle shonen

again execution is the name of the game this days and one of it is better animation and as you said there is no originality anymore too like i said

you know that animation boost the source material sales anyway so animation quality is very important

youre the one looking for data and now youre denying the biggest sample size in the anime fandom that is MAL rankings

@Scordolo

that is the problem i have with you, youre a noob to MAL and anime and you act like you know more

like your example of God of High School the problem with it that people are saying is that its rushed as hell and they cut a lot of manga content so obviously the animation will not save its ranking but its popular enough due to its eye candy sakuga

MikitoList said:


That’s actually not the plot of Demon Slayer, but you’d be right if it was. Just like you’d be right to call every plot of every story generic. I never said animation quality wasn’t important, I’m saying that you can’t dictate that it is the only reason something is successful. Any data you get from MAL doesn’t prove what you’re trying to argue. Especially considering that MAL is dominated by people from western countries. We’re talking about Japan here.

And lmao that’s a very toxic and dumb mentality to have. “You are new to anime therefore your opinion is irrelevant!” You don’t even know if he is new to anime or not. Even if he was, it doesn’t make his opinion less valid. You can continue to add on a bunch of anime to your watchlist that you don’t even like simply for the purpose of adding to some irrelevant number in your goal of psuedo-superiority. It doesn’t make your opinion more important than others.

Finally, the survey asked respondents to write in their own specific reasons they like the manga. Many commented on the pace and the originality of each character. Others wrote that “the story is easy for anyone to get into, and doesn’t use complicated words,” and “not just the main character, but the demons themselves, also have their own back stories.”

Shinuki_n_Reborn said:
>Kimetsu no Yaiba becomes the biggest phenomenon in anime and manga since One Piece (that btw never had great animation), selling over 5 million copies per volume and becoming the biggest box office in Japan history

>People on MAL: ItS OnLy bEcAuSe UfOtaBlE aNiMaTIoN

>All the other Ufotable tv anime and movies with as good or even better animation:.......

Scordolo said:

Hence why I'm starting to lose faith in this generation who only think Animation is everything and not the story.

Scordolo said:

Yeah, quality writing shows like Odd taxi or Vinland saga is getting so hard to find these days because of mediocre battle shounen.

deg said:


lol experience comes with time so experience more anime the both of you

anyway im not saying story is not important too but the top priority should be animation quality in any anime this days to be popular among the global community

like it or not anime is part of the global market now so its not just japan

heck even in this japanese survey they say its just a simple story so what more data you want? https://otakuusamagazine.com/survey-demon-slayer-kimetsu-no-yaiba-popular/

average story is not bad at all if presented very well with like great animation or visuals

btw ive provided sources to my claims but you have not so show me the cultural influence you are talking about with survey or polls too there in japan since you want to stick to japan only fans

MikitoList said:


Lmao I've been watching anime since I was born, I don't need you to tell me to get more experience. I never said that anime wasn't part of the global market, I'm saying that the global market is irrelevant to this post. We're not talking about how Demon Slayer is viewed and how well it's doing in America, this is specifically about Japan. And I love how you keep bringing in sets of data that disprove your point. First you say that animation is what got Demon Slayer popular, now you bring up a poll that shows the opposite, and that it's the characters and story that people love about it the most - literally what I've been saying this entire time. And you're conflating a lot of terms together to mean the same thing, when they don't. "Simple" doesn't mean "Average" or "Generic." You can't say that "oh look these people said the story was simple, now I'm going to slight of hand that and exchange the word for average." And they didn't even say that the story is simple, they said it's easy to get into. That's not the same thing. The proof of KnY's cultural significance is literally in the fact that it made 1/5th of Japan's GDP in a year lmfao. That's literally right there in the article you replied to. Not only that, it is literally everywhere. It's in Japan's sports league, fast food chains, onsens, merchandise, malls, metro, schools, festivals, etc. Are you just going to keep circling around everything I reply with so that you can never be wrong? I'd rather end the argument now if you're just going to do that again and completely ignore every claim of yours that I've dismantled.

Animate Times asked these respondents how the originally heard about Demon Slayer. From left to right, the Japanese reads:

By encountering it in Shonen Jump
Though a bookshop, anime store, etc.
By watching the anime
From a friend
From Twitter or other social media
By hearing the opening/ending song(s)
From news or variety TV
Other


Clearly, the anime had a huge effect. After all, the manga had been running since 2016, but only became a monster hit after the anime adaptation started airing in 2019.

The next question asked which elements of Demon Slayer respondents found interesting. The elements included, from left to right, are:

Characters
Story
Worldview
Setting


Respondents were allowed to pick as many as they liked. 80.7% went for characters, making it the highest-ranked category, followed by story at 72.8%.

deg said:


read the full article then particularly this part

they did not include the Animation but clearly mention the anime is what made it popular and the manga sold so well

now show some sources of your own too

i thought you mean there is some cultural symbolism going on but you just meant cultural impact which is lol irrelevant then since national popularity is cultural phenomenon anyway

as for simple and easy difference as a word lol thats just playing semantics

MikitoList said:

Buddy I read the full article. And you don't know how to interpret data. 109 out of 316 fans FOUND OUT about the show. That means 2/3rds (most) found out about it through something OTHER than the anime. And finding out about the show doesn't correlate to the animation being the main reason that people LIKE the show. Every manga with an anime in existence will have most people finding out about it because of its anime, that's literally how the entire industry works. The anime is an advertisement for the manga, so yes, most people will find out about any given manga because of its anime. They didn't include animation as a factor, therefore you have no data to be arguing that as a reason, and no one even bothered to bring it up. Clearly it wasn't important enough. Cultural Symbolism would be reflected in the "Worldview" and "Setting" element, so yes I was also right about that. You're the only one playing with semantics. "Easy to get into" doesn't mean that the overall story is simple. But I guess you're going to do exactly what I said you would lmao.

deg said:


ok so Demon Slayer is all about great story than great animation to you huh ok thats just you

again anime is a visual story telling medium so animation is more important because if its not then just read the manga then but clearly that did not happen to most people

MikitoList said:

You've already said this before lmao. We're circling back to the same exact argument. That isn't JUST me, that's most people - shown in the very poll you sent. Manga is also a visual story-telling medium lmfao. And a manga will never be more popular than its anime counterpart. Most people watch TV, few people read. In Japan however, manga is extremely popular. And guess which manga sold the most in one year than every other manga in the entire history of Japan's manga sales: Demon Slayer. So yes, clearly the story and the characters were more important to the Japanese population that they bought the manga to read, rather than waiting for additional seasons of the anime to come out.

deg said:


the huge manga boost in japan happened after the anime finish airing remember

Demon Slayer is release in Shonen Jump the most popular manga magazine there and in Japan manga is more popular than anime as you said so why Demon Slayer is not read more from the start before the anime aired

a lot of people here on MAL for example watch battle shonen shows seasonally then read the manga after the first season or any season ends to know the future story so i and them can focus on watching the sakuga when the anime sequel comes, this is what my observation tells me and Demon Slayer is no different and a lot of complains on the anime adaptation of any battle shonen is bad animation too

since this will just circle back this is my last reply

MikitoList said:
For like the 50th time, a series getting popular because of the anime doesn’t correlate to people only liking it for its animation. I don’t know why I have to keep repeating that. The WSJ magazine has been on a constant decline and dying in popularity; and by the time KnY starting circulating, it was at half the yearly volume that the Big 3 had when they started circulating. And I never said manga is more popular in Japan than anime, it’s not. It was not read more before the start of the anime because it wasn’t well-known - that’s why an anime was made. I don’t know why this is so hard for you to understand. Literally no other newly serialized manga in the WSJ from the time that KnY started serializing until the time the anime aired got substantially popular by its manga alone. Neither does mostly any manga actually because the anime literally drives the sales for all manga series.

Scordolo said:
@deg and the problem I have with YOU is that you show too much arrogance instead of just correcting someone.

Scordolo said:

Hence why I'm starting to lose faith in this generation who only think Animation is everything and not the story.

deg said:


i do know that manga industry is still have a bigger popularity and profit than the anime industry heck in USA the top selling comics are all manga this days defeating DC and Marvel comics

give me a source saying the manga industry is not popular or as profitable as the anime industry in Japan before Demon Slayer success and i will changed my mind

i will give you the chance to explain whats so special or great about the story of Demon Slayer compared to lets say Attack on Titan so let me hear you out

popularity is not equal to quality story since you also accept that Demon Slayer is a simple story or easy to read story

its well known that mainstream shows usually have generic or simple stories so lets me hear how Demon Slayer have better writing than what i call exception to the rule that is Attack on Titan

EDIT:

you said in your profile that "writing is subjective" so how you use it as an objective metric than animation quality

MikitoList said:


Literally what the fuck lmao. You keep switching the topic of discussion. Nowhere did I ever argue that Demon Slayer's story was better or worse than any other anime - and I won't because that's entirely subjective and everyone has their own opinions on that matter. I also never said that popularity = quality, so I don't even know what brought you to say that.

Since you clearly need help staying on track, I'll help you out by walking you through exactly what this entire ridiculous discussion is about: You claimed that the only reason Demon Slayer is popular, and the only reason people like the show, is simply due to the fact that it has amazing animation. AKA, "Demon Slayer is carried by animation" - the age old, unoriginal remark that many people on here utilize to lessen the show's brilliance and its achievements. That is what I'm responding to. That's all I ever responded to. You even brought up sources that directly invalidated your own argument. It's very simple: you can't argue that as a fact, because there is no way to actually substantiate a claim like that. The story and characterization isn't amazing to JUST me, it's amazing to MANY people. I understand that you exist solely in this echo-chamber of elitism known as MAL, where the loudest minority of opinions are regarded as fact, but they are exactly that: a minority. MAL constitutes a VERY small percentage of all fans of anime and manga around the world. And that's especially true for Japan, since the Japanese userbase of MAL is so nonexistent that it's not even accounted for in MAL's marketing https://myanimelist.net/advertising. You literally have no basis to be spewing this garbage as a fact, yet you continue to do so.

Two problems with your edit: 1. My bio has literally 0 relevance to this discussion. 2. Those are definitely English words, but that is NOT the English language. I have no idea what you're asking me.

Scordolo said:
Good for Kny but on the bad side, they're gonna milk the hell out of this franchise with constant remakes.