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| All this time changing is getting really confusing. D: And I want more Battler! NOW! |
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Cenedess said: That was something interesting you are suggesting. Nice Maria character insight. Also, I'd glomp Sakutaro myself. It was horrible when Rosa went into BAD MOTHER RAEG mode and killed him... he let out the last 'Ur-yu...' O.O I think I get it. Basically, Ange believes that for those who believe in magic, it exists. She believes in magic, so it does exist in her world. At the same time, she can be on Battler's side, because he doesn't believe in magic, therefore it doesn't exist in his world. And that way he can deny witches while his ally is friends with witches' furniture and also...a witch herself? wait, you lost me XD “Ange believes that for those who believe in magic, it exists. She believes in magic, so it does exist in her world” That is exactly what I thought as well, but then your thought differs a little from mine. So after that you are then saying, that Ange enters the “game” technically as an enemy of Battler, but with the real intention of helping him, right? Almost similar to how Bern was at first right? Well, how I understand this whole thing is that, Beatrice (witches) exists in a different dimension in the same universe, where she cannot have influence on human in real world when her power is weak. But if people start to believe her, she gains control~ And when every person was murdered on the island, Beatrice controled the island, with help of Lambdadelta(?). She needs only the last victim (Battler) to be convinced of her existence to gain full control herself. So we are now watching the “games” in the dimension where Beatrice exists, and these “games” each happen in a different real world (Like the concept of different possible futures, these are the different presents/timelines). Then there are the witches like Lambda and Bern, who can supposedly have real world influence. That is when Bern finds Ange in a different real world, and invites her to the “game”, aka the dimension where Beatrice exists. So that means there are 2 Anges we are seeing now: one in the magic dimension and one in the real world where Eva survived. Suppose if Battler wasn’t really dead, he was only invited to the “game” by Lambda, then Battler should still exist in different real-worlds from the Ange we see now~ Whether he returned to “other” Ange(s) or was he really dead we don’t know yet… we only know in the world of our present Ange, Battler hasn’t returned for 12 years~ So in short, my point is that I don’t think Ange must believe in magic in order to enter that dimension. It was enough when Bern invited her. But the fact still remains that Ange does enter the “game” as a Beatrice-witch, not really because she believes magic but because she succeeds it from Eva. ps: oh, and that leads to what I have been thinking for a while now, with Maria turning into a witch, is it to believe that Jessica will too?, because it seems every female with Ushiromya blood can turn into a witch. Eva-betriace; Ange-beatrice, Maria-witch; so if we suppose Rosa is beato(i always had that in mind~), that leaves only Jessica now mangastar said: All this time changing is getting really confusing. D: And I want more Battler! NOW! noteDhero said: There are only 3 timelines i can think of:(setting aside that these moments don't seem coherent, nor being able to understand where they lie in the timeline of the stuff with Bernkastel, and stuff with Beatrice) 1.pasts (school days Ange or Rosa/Maria) 2.present: Eva died after 12 years, and Ange is heading to the island atm. 3.meta-dimension(or however people call that): Ange-beatrice is sitting in the same room as Battler, Beato and Ronove~ so the scene on boat is clearly No2, Ange goes to the island, with some bad people chasing after her~ :D |
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| Uuuuuuuuuuu~ I wanted to punch someone's face when Rosa ripped Sakutaro. lol Ooishi voice... |
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HawthorneKitty said: Uuuuuuuuuuu~ I wanted to punch someone's face when Rosa ripped Sakutaro. Print Rosa's face....stick to box or soft object...punch many times. I do that with glass bottles and rifle to target practice. New way to target practice for me. |
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| Needs more child abuse. Can someone please just make a quick summary with dates (year) of Ange's story? I'm not keeping up since it's skipping all over the place. I know that at the end of this episode, she was on her way to Rokkenjima and the year is 1998 (current year?). What year was she studying to become a witch? And hasn't she already met with and spoken to Battler and Beatrice in the alternate time/space/universe/dimension/whatever? Blargh. |
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Mutiny said: cool story, bro...... I think you better change that cause it is too obvious what you are talking about and no need for taht here, kthx |
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| After watching this I really want a Sakutaro plush. ;_; And the reunion with the 7 sisters touched my heart. :D |
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| aaah.... I feel sorry for Maria, I can almost forget that annoying laugh in the first episode. |
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noteDhero said: I'm surprised people are saying that Rosa was worse here than anywhere else since the worst thing she did was lift her by the arm. To Maria, it was like she had killed two of her friends. Sakutaro and the bunnies are/were real beings to her. I would say that would be a pretty heavy thing to do to a kid; even just leaving it at "she broke her favorite toy", it's an already seriously fucked up thing to do to your own son or daughter, on top of having her abandoned like that. |
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| Poor Maria =[ Can't wait to get the the first twilight though, damn. spoiler question - don't open if you haven't read VN |
GarLogan78 said: Poor Maria =[ Can't wait to get the the first twilight though, damn. spoiler question - don't open if you haven't read VN Nope -- it should be coming up in future episodes. Ange and Amakusa are on a boat to Niijima right now (they avoided taking the plane because they are trying to stay under the radar). edit: Preview for next episode: http://anime.biglobe.ne.jp/movie/25/2590/2590-822-1000.asx Obviously SPOILERS!!!! for next episode. Also, ^________________^ Kihihihihihihi |
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noteDhero said: Ange's distracting boobs aside, this was a boring episode. I think it's ridiculous that Ange takes something she said as, what, a 5 year old, to heart so much she thinks it's a sin that needs atonement. The scene in the classroom was ridiculous with her crying and then collapsing. I'm not totally sure yet why a character like how Ange has been portrayed so far, is this compliant with them. I'm surprised people are saying that Rosa was worse here than anywhere else since the worst thing she did was lift her by the arm. We got more "bad witch" talk from Maria and her saying she wanted her dead. The "explanation" of uuu was nowhere near as poignant as people had previously made it out, and I'm also surprised that people were saying how Maria's personality is so important/would be explained, and I get the feeling that this was supposed to be that explanation...which is really just vague suppostion about her being abandoned and crazy that isn't outright indicated. I also took issue with the whole boat scene (setting aside that these moments don't seem coherent, nor being able to understand where they lie in the timeline of the stuff with Bernkastel, and stuff with Beatrice) because they basically asked all of the important questions about the show and said, "Eh, I can't think about that now. I'll make a decision later." That was just a lot of bullshit to me. Overall, I felt like this episode did little to expand on anything that I wasn't already thinking about. The only thing that felt close to that was Maria wanting to kill Rosa, but it was instantly cushioned when she corrected herself and mentioned the bad witch. I'm gonna have to agree with you and also add that this episode angered me more then the last. I hate how people keep telling me "Don't worry Ange is anti-magic" yet every new episode continues to prove that she believes in it and even uses it. I hate how Battler is the only sane person in this god forsaken show! The time line is indeed confusing but with this episode it made it a littler bit clearer. Currently Ange is already on the island with Battler. This episode and parts of last episode have been showing flash backs that lead up to where Ange currently is. So basically there's the far off past Ange where shes schooling and how she got introduced with magic. Then we have the not so far off Ange looking for clues about what happened on the island and her actually going to the island. Lastly we have present day Ange who's on the island with Battler right now. I think the only thing this episode hinted at was the fact that Maria had/has the intent to kill her "evil witch" mother and also that Magic cant be created by a group of people. Magic has to be something you, yourself believe in. Kind of like when you're a young kid and you have an invisible friend that your friends pretend to see because they also have invisible friends so it kind of seems like they're all real even though they really aren't. I'm still thinking that most of the family members played a part in the killings, ala a battle royal. Whether or not metal illness played a role I'm sure we'll soon find out. |
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Mutiny said: Poor Siesta 556. I guess that was a very plausible guess that could have been made by anyone. Again, this episode just "explains" the background of the characters... a bit like Meakashi....But next one looks a bit more interesting. Oh.. and I will restraint myself to comment on this magic and anti-magic fiasco. |
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| honestly, I dont get why it is so difficult to understand the simplest things as timeline... guess i give up here~ and yeah, i agree with what z2000 wrote, its pretty sad (or pathetic if you want to put it that way). but i personally dont hate this episode |
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| The first half of Episode 4 was boring in the visual novel too, but it's even more vapid the second time around. I'm hoping (most likely to my disappointment) that DEEN can redeem this by making the second half as exciting as it should be. Otherwise I'll regret not dropping this a lot earlier because I'm not enjoying it at all. Also, Umineko board: Drama city. |
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| It was sort of explained in a previous episode, but they didn't do a very good job of introducing her. That is Sumadera Kasumi, the younger sister of Kyrie, and now that Eva is dead Ange's guardian until she comes of age (in Japan I think this is until the age of 20?). The Sumadera family is an old important family but is broke, so they want the Ushiromiya fortune. Veronin -- that's your opinion and subjective. Those scenes are my favorite parts of the whole VN series. A lot of people find them boring but necessary, but there are also quite a few like myself. |
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| Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE Uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! It's not as dramatic as in the VN, just it's still terribly unnerving and sad. I hate Rosa so much! I never forget what happened to Sakutaro. I cried again, I did. It was just too upsetting. Brb cooling off with miragecoordinator. DeathDeathDeathDeathDeathDeathDeathDeathDeathDeathDeathDeathDeathDeathDeath! |
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DeathfireD said: I'm gonna have to agree with you and also add that this episode angered me more then the last. I hate how people keep telling me "Don't worry Ange is anti-magic" yet every new episode continues to prove that she believes in it and even uses it. I hate how Battler is the only sane person in this god forsaken show! Ok, I haven't gone through the VN in a while, so correct me if I'm wrong but, but... Like Kinzo and Battler, Ange is strong in both magic and anti-magic. Just because magic "exists" in her world of 1998, doesn't mean that it "exists" on the game board, during the 1986 murders. So it doesn't matter what she believes or not in her own personal world. In this world, magic does not exist. That is the basic argument. Aside from that, Ange has some personal reasons. Like she wants there to be a world where Battler returns home to her. This can only happen if Battler wins the game for Bernkastel (AntiMagic). |
| As much as I love this series, this episode was one of the most boring episodes I've ever watched. Maybe I'll change my mind by the end but right now I wish they never introduced Ange because it doesn't feel like the same anime anymore. |
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| hooo the preview for next week looks VEEEEEEEEEEERY promising *chuckles* Still I shouldn't get my hopes too high. >____> |
| -"SAKUTARO NOOOOOOOOO!" was the words literally coming out of my mouth when Rosa grabbed him. Can't believe this show has made me actually care about a shota stuffed animal. -Are you people sure Ange is anti-magic? I mean, I know how it definitely looks like that and I never really got the sense that she instantly switched viewpoints but I mean, in this episode she just outright says they're delusions but then switches to "you exist" (Yes, I know, timeline and all that but still) -Ah and Rosa continues to obtain her award for best mom ever. At first I was just suspicious of her because she just looked dark and scary, but now I hate her so I hope she's the culprit. I don't even care if she was dead at some point. -Wonder how Battler's doing. Probably keeping sweets away from the Seven Sisters right now. |
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garfield15 said: Wonder how Battler's doing. Probably keeping sweets away from the Seven Sisters right now. Lol it probably should be. No but seriously, when will they show Battler and the rest again? I really like Ange, she's one of my favorite characters, but seriously man, what is up with this. I want my real epic Umineko back, the way it was with all the other characters. And haha I love how everyone is hating up on Rosa. I find characters like her always kind of amusing for some reason. It's funny how much people pretty much disliked Maria in the first episode, liking how Rosa bitchslapped her and all, and now suddenly everyone seem to care about her. Am I the only one who notice this? Probably. It's really weird to change Maria from an insane child to a cute innocent witch. I don't get it. Oh well, still feel sorry for Sakutaro though. And will Eva-Beatrice at least make an appearance one time in the next episodes? She's kickass, I want her st00pid looking hat and her Siesta whores. :> |
ZonakNov 20, 2009 1:26 PM
Zonak said: And haha I love how everyone is hating up on Rosa. I find characters like her always kind of amusing for some reason. It's funny how much people pretty much disliked Maria in the first episode, liking how Rosa bitchslapped her and all, and now suddenly everyone seem to care about her I never liked it when Rosa bitchslapped her but I am slowly warming more up to Maria than I did at the beginning...which is weird... |
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| Aww, poor Maria-chan. I felt really bad for her. I can understand why Maria wants to kill Rosa. I'd probably feel the same way if that was my mother. |
| I Hate maria's mother... to rip a toy in front of her child, she's so cruel, it almost made me cry. and maria's such a sweet and quiet child. |
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| Definitely one of the better episodes so far, i'd give it 5/5 if it wasn't for that pokemon advert poping up over the poll. This season has been by far the best, even if, at times, I have no idea what's happening. Just on a side note, is the VN any better than the anime? Also, did anyone else notice the name of the ship was "The Hanyuu Maru"? It's quite amusing to know a ship was possibly named after her. |
charspetcatNov 20, 2009 7:06 PM
| Egad, Rosa is one crazy bitch. I'm sure there's some kind of explanation behind it which I'm not aware of yet, but seriousy. That was a little too much for me. I never did like seeing Maria get slapped around in those first episodes. She was just annoying because of her ridiculous faces. But now... I feel really sorry for her. Ange is kind of boring. I miss Battler and Beato. |
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| I don't know the culprits, but i belive in the end everybody is dead, and Ange just took a while to appear because she still was alive. I liked somehow sakutarou. But i kind of laughted when he died making that weird sound. Anyway, i doubt Kyrie would kill anyone. Or even that she was killed before the meeting or whutsever. As said before, there was 18 people on the island. Even if Kyrie was a fake, there would still leave one more person. So far i'm not considering anyone as the 18 person. I belive Kinzo was dead, and nobody in the family killed anyone. Oh how i wished Ange did something to mess up those bitches. I mean, what the heck is wrong with those girls? I still don't sympathize with the 7 something from whatever. As you guys might have kind of noticed, i'm a denier of magic. Note:I keep having these weird thoughts about Ange x Battler. wth! |
| "Watashi wa shinguru mazaa!" I have to say I lol'ed when Rosa said that. |
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XanthReborn said: DeathfireD said: I'm gonna have to agree with you and also add that this episode angered me more then the last. I hate how people keep telling me "Don't worry Ange is anti-magic" yet every new episode continues to prove that she believes in it and even uses it. I hate how Battler is the only sane person in this god forsaken show! Ok, I haven't gone through the VN in a while, so correct me if I'm wrong but, but... Like Kinzo and Battler, Ange is strong in both magic and anti-magic. Just because magic "exists" in her world of 1998, doesn't mean that it "exists" on the game board, during the 1986 murders. So it doesn't matter what she believes or not in her own personal world. In this world, magic does not exist. That is the basic argument. Aside from that, Ange has some personal reasons. Like she wants there to be a world where Battler returns home to her. This can only happen if Battler wins the game for Bernkastel (AntiMagic). I understand what you mean but that still doesn't change the fact that I hate how magic is being pushed on every single character. It gives viewers the false sense that we really shouldn't bother trying to solve anything because magic supposedly plays a role in everything related or not to the story. |
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Zonak said: Oh Eva Beatrice is my absolute favorite here, I even changed all my avatars + sig in hopes she would come back lol... And the siestas are both my 2nd favorite, i love the green bunny laughs so evil, nyhihihi~ and the pink one is just moe, lol I see i fell into a trap there, gah the moe attack of witches :'-( And will Eva-Beatrice at least make an appearance one time in the next episodes? She's kickass, I want her st00pid looking hat and her Siesta whores. :> |
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channa7514 said: Just on a side note, is the VN any better than the anime? Personally I believe it is much better and much more information is displayed even if the first episode feels endless with lack of Beato but after that it picks up like a rollercoaster |
| And I thought they couldnt fuck ep4 up any more than they already did in the last ep, jesus christ. Fuck this |
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| Preview for next episode was EPIC. spoilers...like really |
What the heck is this? Wasabi said: I think the point of him is to show that Maria is so lonely without her mom, that she needs to give plush toys voices and human forms in order to feel better about herself. ^^Is there a point to shota Sakutaro? It's like he's placed there just to cater to the shotacons. |
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| That was an unusual episode. What is because Ange denied the existence of magic that Maria went darkside? If that is the truth then Maria has motive to kill everyone on the island, because no one believes her she would be showing them. Also I think that it ties into the previous scene with her crying in front of Beatrice picture. Although I didn't want to believe that it could be maria. I think she now has motive to pull it off time and time again. No offense but I believe in the magic of it, but I am not sure I believe in beatrice. No offense but I think she is some one else's made up decoy. That would make sense because then the person could act with cover while Buttler was distracted Just my ideas as the story has progressed.. I didn't realize before how the kind of move they were in chess reflected so hard on the episode. It gives my ideas about where it is going now... |
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Suzune-chan said: That was an unusual episode. What is because Ange denied the existence of magic that Maria went darkside? That is what Ange thinks. She belives she indirectly caused what happened on the island that day and that's why she wants to apologize to Maria |
| Actually I believe Ryukishi said in an interview that Maria played a vital role in shaping Beato into what she is in the present |
| Ange and Maria are making this good again~ Still waiting to see more Bern tho xP |
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| Episode 21 has confirmed a few things for me. 1. Rosa is the worst mother ever. I hope she gets a bloody death. 2. Ange is fucking annoying. God. 3. Maria is now my favorite character. |
| Oh holy frijole. I still stand that the first three arcs were pretty terrible, but this arc... THIS arc thus far is amazing. |
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