86--EIGHTY-SIX (light novel)
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| wait, what? this is the end?? I kinda lost track on the plot honestly. what were they doing again? are all Shin's party wiped out? my brain can't keep up. great episode especially the Ost god damn. the moment Shin's brother appears and the bass drop starts kickin'. can't wait for the next season for sure! |
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| Everything about this anime was really nicely done. A-1 went above and beyond of expectations. The action was intense, the animation was great, the music was good, the composition and directing superb. And I hear they did a great job at adapting the source material, and took their time to flesh things out even more. Pretty rare to see good adaptions of novels nowadays. Anyway, I thought that Vivy was gonna be my favorite animation of the season, but 86 ended up being more consistent to me. It's gonna be great if A-1 can keep this consistency on the second season, they set up a high bar with this first season. |
| Idk what happened in the end I dont expect Shin to die he probably still alive or that is all just a dream . It sucks that they didnt showed what happened to the unit,I wonder if they all survived that. Overall superb anime the drama didnt hit me but the other aspects were all great. From the looks of it, this was just a prologue on whats to come from this anime. It was very interesting and I dont have a single clue on how the story gonna unfolds because idk the LN lol. This at least deserve an 8+ , A-1-Cloverworks did a good job on everything on this show. Personally gonna give this a 10/10 . |
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| Wow, The best anime I have seen so far in 2021. that ending scene of shin was remarkable. The details and character driven story of this just have blown me away. Such an amazing series so far. Can anyone tell how much this adopts the LN? |
| Gonna bump my original idea of giving it a 7/10 to a 8/10 just because of this beautiful finale. |
UTMAN said: Xopgoblin45 said: "This book is a continuation of the plot ideas raised in the anime, but it is not integrated into the anime in any way." Regarding the book, the All Quiet on the Western Front is about "One of the major themes of the novel is the difficulty of soldiers to revert to civilian life after having experienced extreme combat situations." Also this is just nitpicking on another level. It's year 2100~ in the anime, so it means WW1 and 2 could have happened. 200 years ago. It doesn't really matter to the whole story. The anime references a lot of things from real world. For example the Legion is an obvious reference to the Bible's Legion. Also regarding the propaganda, you do know that the 86 are scavening the whole eastern from, where are cities/libraries could be destroyed and find that book there? Regarding the previous argument, I will remind you that arguments about everything being explained in the novella do not count. And none of those things you said "we'll be told later" ever came up. Not the stories about the satellite cities, not the shelling of the camps, not the stories about the destruction of the air force and the reason the army was defeated in two weeks. None of it. Since I'm not fortune teller, also not involed with the production of the anime, I cannot say for sure whether something very particular you mention will ever be adressed or not. If something the LN adresses and has not been adapted yet, and the anime decides to omit in order to make the anime less slow paced then I can't really do anything about it. Regarding Satellite cities, and shelling of the camps you never brought up these to me. Also Idk what does it matter regarding the main plotline. But if you expand on them, by explaining what do you mean by both of these we can talk about it. The destruction of the airforce is 2nd cour material. But you could see it in ep4 Lena flashback, that you are not really safe to be in an airplane over Legion contested terrority. Also the reason why the army was defeated is there, you see it every episode, that the Spearhead is just fighting a war that's like 10:1000 numbers in the Legion'1s favour, and it has been said that this is only the 50% what it used to be. So the enemy numbers were way more at the beginning of the war. As far as I remember, this world has nothing to do with ours, if we take the backstory. And I don't really see the point in continuing to justify the book's poor integration with what "might have been". When you watch an anime, you don't want to make up the story for the author, you want the author himself to tell you the story of the events he intended. I see the rest of your post as one phrase "the anime didn't do a good job of adapting the material". I learned more about the world of this anime by pointlessly arguing about holes in logic and plot with people who read LN than the anime itself told me. Why they made 11 episodes where they should have made all 24, so as not to lose the elaboration of the world and not to dump everything on the brains of the viewer, who has to figure out the story of the world himself. |
borderliner said: Xopgoblin45 said: It is very convenient to say that any book (referring to real historical events) can be in this world, and that you do not know the history of this world and similar arguments. And purely theoretically you can even consider yourself right. But there is one problem. This book does not exist in isolation from the plot of its premise and the world of the anime as a whole. This book is a continuation of the plot ideas raised in the anime, but it is not integrated into the anime in any way. To put it quite simply, it is a reference made in poor taste. A good reference should make sense to the viewer/reader and still fit seamlessly into the world. If it looks alien and makes you remember that you're just watching a series with a set of plot ideas, one of which it refers to, then it's very bad. I will remind you that the reference to World War I was inserted in a moment of major emotional intensity. And such a foreign object feels like a slap in the face, knocking you out of your sense of immersion in the story and its characters. References should be made in the context of the story, or at least an homage should be made. Seriously, having a society of absolute propaganda make a reference to this book as the title of a laudatory work about the stability (I could not find a moment with a map showing the direction of the robots' attack, but if I remember correctly they attacked from the east) of the eastern front would be much more subtle and meaningful, especially when we know how absurd the newspaper propaganda of the same WWI and WWII was sometimes. What utter nonsense you have written here... The author's use of that book title as a message passed from Shin to Lena is a masterful piece of shorthand. The historicity of the book is irrelevant, you only need to understand the themes, and those themes resonate strongly with this world (as they were designed to do) And that last paragraph of yours!? Well, no surprise since you totally mangled the book's meaning that you'd propose something so hamfisted. The idea that semantic allusions should be non-integrated references to the history of the world is highly populist. There is nothing simpler than taking two works with similar lines of meaning and putting them next to each other as if to shout: Hey, look! We can reflect each other's ideas! As I said before, if you just take something that reflects the message of your work but isn't part of it, you're only interrupting your viewer's immersion in the story. References should be part of the story, not above it. And frankly, this reference in this anime is like monkey work. Because in the overall chaos of the story, it can't make it any better. |
Xopgoblin45 said: borderliner said: What utter nonsense you have written here... The author's use of that book title as a message passed from Shin to Lena is a masterful piece of shorthand. The historicity of the book is irrelevant, you only need to understand the themes, and those themes resonate strongly with this world (as they were designed to do) And that last paragraph of yours!? Well, no surprise since you totally mangled the book's meaning that you'd propose something so hamfisted. The idea that semantic allusions should be non-integrated references to the history of the world is highly populist. There is nothing simpler than taking two works with similar lines of meaning and putting them next to each other as if to shout: Hey, look! We can reflect each other's ideas! As I said before, if you just take something that reflects the message of your work but isn't part of it, you're only interrupting your viewer's immersion in the story. References should be part of the story, not above it. And frankly, this reference in this anime is like monkey work. Because in the overall chaos of the story, it can't make it any better. Are you using an AI text generator to turn out this garbage!? Maybe you're just a bot. You do understand this is an "Alternate/Future Earth" Sci-Fi story don't you? "All Quiet" fits into the world of the 86ers in much the same way as the banned works of Shakespeare do in "Brave New World" |
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borderliner said: Xopgoblin45 said: The idea that semantic allusions should be non-integrated references to the history of the world is highly populist. There is nothing simpler than taking two works with similar lines of meaning and putting them next to each other as if to shout: Hey, look! We can reflect each other's ideas! As I said before, if you just take something that reflects the message of your work but isn't part of it, you're only interrupting your viewer's immersion in the story. References should be part of the story, not above it. And frankly, this reference in this anime is like monkey work. Because in the overall chaos of the story, it can't make it any better. Are you using an AI text generator to turn out this garbage!? Maybe you're just a bot. You do understand this is an "Alternate/Future Earth" Sci-Fi story don't you? "All Quiet" fits into the world of the 86ers in much the same way as the banned works of Shakespeare do in "Brave New World" This is why normal people make allusions to works or events without directly mentioning them. Certainly not by shoving a book with the same title. You don't quite know what you're talking about. I'm telling you how to handle references in terms of the "technical" part of the process. You just can't understand it, which of course makes me sad. |
addie1998 said: Reruzaa said: wait, what? this is the end?? I kinda lost track on the plot honestly. what were they doing again? are all Shin's party wiped out? my brain can't keep up. great episode especially the Ost god damn. the moment Shin's brother appears and the bass drop starts kickin'. can't wait for the next season for sure! Their order special recon: going into the depths of legion territory that's why they have to move forward because going back means they'll get executed. As for what happen to them just leave it to your imagination. ah yea yeahh they got the special recon order from that old man right (Lena's uncle I believe)? thank you.. much appreciated :D |
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Xopgoblin45 said: borderliner said: Are you using an AI text generator to turn out this garbage!? Maybe you're just a bot. You do understand this is an "Alternate/Future Earth" Sci-Fi story don't you? "All Quiet" fits into the world of the 86ers in much the same way as the banned works of Shakespeare do in "Brave New World" This is why normal people make allusions to works or events without directly mentioning them. Certainly not by shoving a book with the same title. You don't quite know what you're talking about. I'm telling you how to handle references in terms of the "technical" part of the process. You just can't understand it, which of course makes me sad. Why do you keep going on about allusion? Shin was reading an actual physical book, he left "that" book for Lena to find. That's not an allusion, it's a message embedded in the themes of the story that book tells. If you don't think the story of the book resonates with the story of the 86ers that's your problem. |
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| As expected from the ending I hope season 2 comes out I think it was a bit rushed but it was good nonetheless. |
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| Man I'm so confused Have they all died?? And the Legion took Shin's head? I know this anime was full of tragedy but did they really go for this finale? I'm getting anxious just thinking about it LMAO Great production, it really surprised me, can't wait for next cour! |
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| I can't believe shin really died, this last episode made my jaw drop. Amazing anime, one of the best of this season. |
PiedPiper_ said: Wow, The best anime I have seen so far in 2021. that ending scene of shin was remarkable. The details and character driven story of this just have blown me away. Such an amazing series so far. Can anyone tell how much this adopts the LN? I'm not 100% sure because I don't read the LN but I saw people commenting here on MAL that it addapts the first volume of the LN series. |
| Everybody died? Shin's head is gone? I guess the 2nd season will be Shin and his comrades as Legions. |
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kuwangpa said: Skull Knight? Is that supposed to be homage/tribute to Miura? That's an interesting idea, I'd got the impression the book Rei was holding was more of a kid's story but yeah. Oh, and thanks for getting me all teary again from re-watching that. |
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| They could've cut the OP but anyway it was good. Did Shin kill himself and did the rest of the members die too? Since the story is continuing with a S2 then I'm guessing they somehow survive cuz if they turn into legion then the whole story would just repeat. By that ending is Lena going to go and search for them? And won't Lena do something about the new recruits? I can understand that she got attached with the previous ones but since her motive is to stop this discrimination, so if she goes off to search for the old ones it wouldn't make sense to me. Lena's letting emotions get the best of her. The best part of this would be the ost and all the things Sawano Hiroyuki was a part of. A-1 did a good job with the animation. I don't know why but to me 8 seems too high but 7 seems a little low would've been better if there was 7.5. Overall 7/10. |
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| A brilliant way to end this and that small snippet of the morpho I cant wait for the 2nd season. Fortunately they didn't include the final scene of the first volume, it would ruin the atmosphere of the 2nd season just like it did for the 2nd and 3rd volume of the LN. |
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| Finally I got around to watch every eps. That was a great show. Can't wait for the second cour! Lena best grill and Shin best homo! Final vote:7.5/10 |
| Can't wait for the second cour! Shourei.....  |
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| Hoping the second season improves on this, I feel this had bones of greatness but the final product was subpar, mainly because of the characters. Lena whined more than helped and most of the 86ers had no personalities whatsoever. Not until the final 3 or so episodes that we get much of anything, most telling instead of showing in this first season. 7.5/10 seems fair, how the second season starts after this final ep will help determine my feelings, I have a hard time believing the five of them were all killed and Shin converted to the Legion, seems more like an emotional manipulation for the viewer. |
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| Really enjoyed this one, and no more Spearhead which blows. I have no idea what season 2 brings now with nearly all the MC dead. |
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| Well, this was fine. Made me curious for the second season. |
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| So if I want to start reading the light novel where should I start? |
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| What the actual fuck is that cliffhanger ending |
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| Nooo! Ahhh! Ahhh! oh my god, that was so difficult to watch. I could not sleep very well after watching this episode. Hiding from Legion is probably not possible like that. Also bad how they suddenly lost 4 units and Fido. Shin wanted to sacrifice himself for his lovely comrades, but it turned out even worse. I was honestly shocked that everyone died and in such a miserable way. Of course that episode was nicely written and had a good pacing, but this roaring injustice is hard to accept, those spirited youths weren't even 20 and their lifes just ended in a second, what hurts the most is the fact that it was inevitable for them. |
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molitar said: Regret watching this crap! I watch anime for good stories with good endings enough fucking bad endings in real fucking life! Yet when I asked not a single person would tell me this was going to be a bad ending everyone dies anime! Would of saved me a fucking nightmare! Good to know it had a solid emotional impact :-) |
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molitar said: Regret watching this crap! I watch anime for good stories with good endings enough fucking bad endings in real fucking life! Yet when I asked not a single person would tell me this was going to be a bad ending everyone dies anime! Would of saved me a fucking nightmare! M8 its getting a season 2 in october... hold your tits for a while before you start having a mental breakdance. |
on KanoValentine said: So if I want to start reading the light novel where should I start? People told me this season captured only volume 1, so volume 2 I guess |
Dave_Adrian said: KanoValentine said: So if I want to start reading the light novel where should I start? People told me this season captured only volume 1, so volume 2 I guess Alright thanks, I've started reading the first volume but havent gotten far. |
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UTMAN said: Xopgoblin45 said: If someone would give me five dollars every time I hear from defenders of this anime that it was different in the novella and everything was explained there. I'd be able to buy all the volumes that came out and not have to listen to this nonsense anymore. The excuse that things were different in the novella's plot is one of the worst possible. "Those robots that were let in for one episode don't count," I mean those robots were in ep 1: https://imgur.com/vAp7dh0 And in ep 6 aswell: https://imgur.com/RQn850S https://imgur.com/4UNJTfH If you can't even notice this how should we take anything you say seriously? lol To be fair, this is a directing problem. As a director your job is to create scenes that are cohesive to newcomers, not just to please fans that already know the source and therefore don't need the extra info on weapons or schematics. If you need your audience to pause and try to understand what is going on in the heat of a battle, then your job as director already failed. I would compare some if not plenty of the fights in 86 choreographed in the same level as a Michael Bay movie. And no, that's not a compliment. |
| Seeing Kurena so excited to be in a school for the first time was so adorable... she's so freaking adorable <3. Best girl! Nice to see Lena one last time and finally visiting their base no less. Man, the part where she reads the notes broke me. At least now she'll be taking care of Kitty in their place :'( Speaking of Kitty, it's amazing how all the characters voiced by Saori Hayami are waifus. I'm going to miss Anju. Oh well, I guess that's it for now. I'm kind of conflicted with this series because on one hand I loved it and it was great all around but on the other hand I'm not a big fan of series where everyone dies. Like, in this season you also have Fumetsu no Anata e which has something similar but I feel like it's more memorable in that aspect for example. That said, are they really dead? Because they always made the deaths pretty clear but in this case it didn't really seem that way and I honestly hope that's not the case. Anyway, looking forward to season 2. |
| and so it ends everyone ended up dying as expected Lena visited their house, too bad it wasn't before they left... but i guess she couldn't so now... 2nd season i can think of 2 possible things 1- the new recruits will fight the 5 last guys who just died, and turned into legion 2- qualidea code idea, probably stupid but whatever either way, the main team seem to be dead, so i'm not sure how much interest i'll have in season 2 (or season 1 part 2), but i guess i'll have to watch it 8/10 |
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UTMAN said: Well clearly you are inadequate to give any arguments on this anime since you managed to miss an utterly simple thing as an enemy unit being used before. If you missed this I wonder how many other, a sligthly more complex ideas went over your head. as much as i agree with what you said about haters, you can't expect MOST people to notice/remember that a freaking robot head appeared in episode 6 for a milisecond... dafuq lol even more if they watch it weekly together with 20-30 other seasonals which many people do ... i mean, i just watched 4 episodes in the last 3 hours and don't remember what most enemies look like apart from the ones that look like spiders like the main guy and his brother |
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| Great series. While not for everyone, I appreciated the fact that it insisted on its own style and stuck with the back-and-forth plot presentation. Heavy plot. But charming in its character portrayals, moving in its emotional climaxes, and uplifting in its (currently tentative) resolution. I wouldn't say this is objectively a masterpiece on its own, but very much looking forward to a S2. |
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