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| Yeah a 6/10 at best . Its a stupid battle shounen lol , you can't expect it to be worthy of its popularity . |
| Yup. It lived up to the hype. Everyone in the theaters were crying when I watched it on December last year. And I've watched it in theaters twice and yet in my second watch, everyone still left crying. It was a great experience and is worthy of being the number movie of all time. |
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| It did live up to #1 for me. It wasn't really that much emotional. But in terms action, it was amazing. May be you watched it in English dub? Hmm? |
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nikolol said: Yeah I probably should have specified.TheRookieCrusher said: Well if you consider literally the definition show of basic Shonen perfect then it sounds like I’d get nowhere with this but to me the perfect movie would be something like Princess Mononoke or Kizumonogatari. If you haven’t already you should give them a look. I'm all for recommending the Monogatari series, but please do start with Bakemonogatari and not Kizu |
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| I have never seen so much bad cgi in my life. the animation was great but nowhere heaven's feel level. ufotable still did their job right. there wasn't much plot, I feel the source material is to blame for all the shortcomings. it was the same everything as the show really, except it had way less time to build up a much greater emotional scene. with a one dimensional character in the middle of it all. we didn't get to spend enough time with rengoku, and he didn't say enough. he is. he eats. he badass. he strong. then he dies. the studio did everything they could with what they were given. I respect that. personally, I don't think it was that memorable, as excellent the execution was. |
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Siegfried10 said: Inorichi said: One of the greatest, meh not really. Depends on how many greatest there are. The first half with the train itself was just unnecessary and irrelevant to the grand scheme of things and had a lot of boring moments. Fighting a cg tentacle train or ~5 minutes of screentime on random children working for a demon that never appear again was not really the most interesting thing. Rengoku sure. Easily one of the greatest moments. However, as a whole, I enjoyed movies like Spirited Away, Tenki no Ko, Ordinal Scale, etc much more than infinity train. The first half is meant to show the demon's abilities and why he was dangerous. If you skip that part then you just have the good guys bullying a random demon. It also shows some character development for Tanjirou in his dream. You might not have liked the first half, but that doesnt mean it was unnecesary. And like many people have said, Infinity Train is just another arc of a long shonen manga, and it did its job really good. Did it live up to its hype? It certainly did for me, i got the great fights i expected with the emotional moments of the arc. Does that make it the best anime movie? No, it wasn't. I do find it insulting that you think Ordinal Scale is better though, but i guess everyone has different tastes. I don't think it's unnecessary because I don't like it. I don't like it because it's unnecessary. I said this numerous times, but to repeat myself. There are many anime with great train arcs. Mugen train is not one of them. The train serves no purpose. It doesn't take the main cast to any relevant destination nor does the setting of being on board a train have any real purpose other than weak elements like 'the ticket needed to be punctured.' or 'demon needs to fuse with train'. The same series of events could have happened at an amusement park, bus terminal, or even the red light district which the next arc takes place in. The reason it's on a train is 'people aboard this train go missing, there's probably a demon on board'. Replace train with red light district, and you get the next arc. Replace it with town and you get the plot for girls going missing in season 1. Show the demon's abilities and why he was dangerous. Isn't the entire plot and premise of the franchise built upon demons are dangerous and a threat to humanity? All they do is showcase a 'new ability' which actually brings up more questions than it answers. Demons can fuse with trains now? How does that even work? Can demons fuse with buildings or the ground or the earth itself? What are the limits? I don't remember the first villain's name since he just felt that irrelevant. He had a brief intro in s1 and then is expected to carry on as the main villain for half a movie. His motives are basically simp for master Muzen. Nothing new. No new major character developments in the cast because of this plot or villain. If they completely ignored him and had him get 1 shot by any hashira 100 chapters down the line, it would have changed nothing. Then there's the CG tentacle train... Basically it has no meaning to Tanjiro, Nezuko, or even Rengoku. They're just ordered to stop him cause that's what Demon Slayers do. Just a side mission and changes nothing in the grand scheme of Demon Slayers vs Demons, or healing Nezuko, or reaching Muzen. Cut it out entirely and you wouldn't have missed anything. ----- I do think the latter half was incredible though, hence I gave it a 9/10. Ultimately, plot, characters, story are all just elements to make the overall story more interesting, they're means to the end and not the end itself. Thanks to the animation for the most part, the movie built up Rengoku incredibly well and went beyond the source imo. Seeing how Rengoku didn't even make top 5 chars in popularity after the arc in the manga compared to how much hype he has now. Rengoku vs Akaza actually has a purpose. It introduces the audience to a new power ceiling and fully demonstrates the power of a hashira and a upper demon. It also pulls an emotional response with Rengoku's death which has a lasting impact on the series as a whole. The demon slayer corps are now 1 Hashira short moving forward in the story. We now know how dangerous the upper demons are. Rengoku is also able to advise Tanjiro to meet with his father for potential info on the fire techniques and serves as motivation for the main cast. It actually progresses the plot. --- tl;dr - First half serves no purpose and doesn't affect the plot as a whole of reaching Muzan / saving Nezuko - Second half plays into that plot and does more than what the series has done so far, + Rengoku is great and carries this movie. |
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Inorichi said: Amazinc said: One of the greatest anime moves ever made, ngl. Fight me. One of the greatest, meh not really. Depends on how many greatest there are. The first half with the train itself was just unnecessary and irrelevant to the grand scheme of things and had a lot of boring moments. Fighting a cg tentacle train or ~5 minutes of screentime on random children working for a demon that never appear again was not really the most interesting thing. Rengoku sure. Easily one of the greatest moments. However, as a whole, I enjoyed movies like Spirited Away, Tenki no Ko, Ordinal Scale, etc much more than infinity train. You can phrase stuff like that for your argument but its not really what happened. The first half of the movie was their initial mission. They met Rengoku, and defeated their first ever Lower Moon demon. The animation was outstanding and the fight itself with Tanjiro having to kill himself dozens of times and also them trying to find the weak spot was interesting to me, at least. Seeing Tanjiro and Inosuke work together was cool too. And best of all, seeing all their dreams+how their subconscious looked hit really hard and gave us insight on the characters. So yea, I wouldn't say it was irrelevant/unnecessary at all. |
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| After watching the movie today, I think is ok, Demon Slayer is really popular, it is the only explanation for the high sales. |
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| I find the story to be uninteresting for the most part but there is absolutely no way for me to rate this below a 5 with how amazing the sound and visuals were. |
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| Couldn't go see it in theatres but I'd more than gladly go see it again if they reopen sometime soon just to see the shot of the crow crying |
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| Thought the movie was pretty good itself. Only part that I didn't like is the CGI tentacles of Enmu all over the train. The rest of the movie was really good, great opening, okayish middle, amazing ending fight and amazing voice acting with the yelling. Tanjiro yelling at Akaza running away was really emotional. Though, as good as the movie itself is, I don't really think it's worth the records it is breaking. The hype and animation from ufotable certainly drive the popularity, not because of the story that's for sure. Basically animation porn+simple story=easy pleasing the mass majority. |
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| I still think there are better anime movies than this one, however I'm not implying that Mugen Train was bad. Just not the greatest thing I've ever witnessed in my entire life. |
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| After watching it, I'm like Yeahh Now i Understand why the Movie got #1 Grossing Movie in Japan of All Times. Definitely Deserve all the Popularity and the Hyped!!! 🔥 |
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| Beautiful movie this is definitely best action anime movie I have ever seen I will rate it 9/10 did it live upto it's record? Yeah it definitely did.no wonder it was breaking records everywhere left and right.story being cannon also helps it by lot. Tanjiro voice acting is one of the most amazing voice acting I have heard last scene was beautiful.zenitsu did get some development. |
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| honestly hell yes. As a manga reader I already knew what was gonna happen and it made me even more hyped to see the movie in theatres. It was truly a amazing experience to see it in theatres and the soundtrack and animation like usual was totally awesome. The only thing I didn't like was that it didn't transition in any way to the next season to leave us at a cliffhanger till the next season or anything. |
Siegfried10 said: Compelling≠unnecessary Inorichi said: I don't think it's unnecessary because I don't like it. I don't like it because it's unnecessary. I said this numerous times, but to repeat myself. There are many anime with great train arcs. Mugen train is not one of them. The train serves no purpose. It doesn't take the main cast to any relevant destination nor does the setting of being on board a train have any real purpose other than weak elements like 'the ticket needed to be punctured.' or 'demon needs to fuse with train'. The same series of events could have happened at an amusement park, bus terminal, or even the red light district which the next arc takes place in. The reason it's on a train is 'people aboard this train go missing, there's probably a demon on board'. Replace train with red light district, and you get the next arc. Replace it with town and you get the plot for girls going missing in season 1. Show the demon's abilities and why he was dangerous. Isn't the entire plot and premise of the franchise built upon demons are dangerous and a threat to humanity? All they do is showcase a 'new ability' which actually brings up more questions than it answers. Demons can fuse with trains now? How does that even work? Can demons fuse with buildings or the ground or the earth itself? What are the limits? I don't remember the first villain's name since he just felt that irrelevant. He had a brief intro in s1 and then is expected to carry on as the main villain for half a movie. His motives are basically simp for master Muzen. Nothing new. No new major character developments in the cast because of this plot or villain. If they completely ignored him and had him get 1 shot by any hashira 100 chapters down the line, it would have changed nothing. Then there's the CG tentacle train... Basically it has no meaning to Tanjiro, Nezuko, or even Rengoku. They're just ordered to stop him cause that's what Demon Slayers do. Just a side mission and changes nothing in the grand scheme of Demon Slayers vs Demons, or healing Nezuko, or reaching Muzen. Cut it out entirely and you wouldn't have missed anything. ----- I do think the latter half was incredible though, hence I gave it a 9/10. Ultimately, plot, characters, story are all just elements to make the overall story more interesting, they're means to the end and not the end itself. Thanks to the animation for the most part, the movie built up Rengoku incredibly well and went beyond the source imo. Seeing how Rengoku didn't even make top 5 chars in popularity after the arc in the manga compared to how much hype he has now. Rengoku vs Akaza actually has a purpose. It introduces the audience to a new power ceiling and fully demonstrates the power of a hashira and a upper demon. It also pulls an emotional response with Rengoku's death which has a lasting impact on the series as a whole. The demon slayer corps are now 1 Hashira short moving forward in the story. We now know how dangerous the upper demons are. Rengoku is also able to advise Tanjiro to meet with his father for potential info on the fire techniques and serves as motivation for the main cast. It actually progresses the plot. --- tl;dr - First half serves no purpose and doesn't affect the plot as a whole of reaching Muzan / saving Nezuko - Second half plays into that plot and does more than what the series has done so far, + Rengoku is great and carries this movie. The train was never relevant, whats relevant is the Lower Moon on it that its killing people. In case you didnt remember we come from a training arc, and this arc shows that Tanjirou's group is now at a level were they can fight with lower moons. This IS relevant for the story, because the main characters need to grow stronger if they intend to eventually kill Muzan. So no, just having Rengoku one shotting the Demon wouldnt help the overall story. Also, its because that Lower Moon was there that Rengoku and company were sent there, which also made Muzan order Akaza to go there. So yes, there was nothing unnecessary there. As for OS, i already said i wont argue with you about that. They could've chosen their words better but I understand what they're trying to say. Enmu is basically a nothing villain. In a movie setting, the first half of this arc does indeed drag, so the idea that some of it is fluff is understandable. |
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Caperon said: Yeah and how the fuck are people comparing Kimi no nawa and demon slayer 🧐? There not in anyway close to each other or even somewhat related besides annoying ass fanbase and popularityMeriu said: Definitely way better than Kimi no Nawa in my opinion. (since some ppl started comparing them) Nice try at baiting. The movie is a 5/10 at best. Some of the action was very good, the OST was ok. The rest was really meh. Terrible dialogue, lot of unnecessary exposition, overdramatic for a character we just met, terrible 3D. |
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Siegfried10 said: The train was never relevant, whats relevant is the Lower Moon on it that its killing people. In case you didnt remember we come from a training arc, and this arc shows that Tanjirou's group is now at a level were they can fight with lower moons. This IS relevant for the story, because the main characters need to grow stronger if they intend to eventually kill Muzan. So no, just having Rengoku one shotting the Demon wouldnt help the overall story. Also, its because that Lower Moon was there that Rengoku and company were sent there, which also made Muzan order Akaza to go there. So yes, there was nothing unnecessary there. As for OS, i already said i wont argue with you about that. You said yourself, we come FROM a training arc. The characters have already grown stronger. They don't grow stronger on the train. Your claiming it's necessary to show Tanjiro's group capable of defeating a lower moon or they're at the "lower moon level". However, Muzan just deleted that category of demons, and the only remaining lower moon who is defeated in this movie, uses abilities which are so different from any other demon they can not even be compared to get a good understanding of the characters growth. The only thing we have to gauge his strength is the arbitrary lower moon 1 tag, (because he's the only remaining lower moon either way), and after his defeat it just becomes upper moon + rest. Hypnosis + Dreaming have very little to do with physical strength, sword skill, and breath skill which is what the Demon Slayer Corps training / skillset consist of. Not mental / hypnosis defense. And because we were just shown that the "lower moon level" was wiped from existence in season 1, I would say it's unnecessary and pointless. As for why Muzan ordered Akaza to go there. |
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| No. Imagine wasting your money and go to the theater to see this shit, but in the end the villain just running away. LOL. This movie has the most unsatisfying ending of any anime movie I have ever seen! |
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Siegfried10 said: Inorichi said: You said yourself, we come FROM a training arc. The characters have already grown stronger. They don't grow stronger on the train. Your claiming it's necessary to show Tanjiro's group capable of defeating a lower moon or they're at the "lower moon level". However, Muzan just deleted that category of demons, and the only remaining lower moon who is defeated in this movie, uses abilities which are so different from any other demon they can not even be compared to get a good understanding of the characters growth. The only thing we have to gauge his strength is the arbitrary lower moon 1 tag, (because he's the only remaining lower moon either way), and after his defeat it just becomes upper moon + rest. Hypnosis + Dreaming have very little to do with physical strength, sword skill, and breath skill which is what the Demon Slayer Corps training / skillset consist of. Not mental / hypnosis defense. And because we were just shown that the "lower moon level" was wiped from existence in season 1, I would say it's unnecessary and pointless. As for why Muzan ordered Akaza to go there. Its no about becoming stronger on the train, but showing their growth. Enmu served this purpose, Akaza was out of their league. The fact that Muzan erased the Lower Moons doesnt change the fact that they existed, and been able to defeat them is the second step to reaching the level of a Hashira (the first is using the breathing techniques 24/7). Enmu wasnt just his dreams he manipulated his flesh to attack (while fused with the train), and i case you forgot, Tanjirou was unable to even cut Rui or his techniques without Hinokami Kagura (Inosuke was even unable to defeat a non-Lower Moon demon). This arc showed the progress of Tanjirou and his friends and how they are able to at least fight with Lower Moons, which means they are reaching Hashira level. And no, it isnt pointless. Its been hundred of years since a Hashira was able to defeat a Upper Moon and you want Tanjirou and his friends to suddenly jump from been fodder to a Lower Moon to fighting and defeating a Upper Moon? That would make no sense and would make a laughing stock of the current Hashira. You need the MC to grow at a reasonable pace. Finding the flower is just the regular mission of all the Twelve Moons, but Muzan sent Akaza to the train to kill the Demon Slayers. And plural, not just Rengoku, remember that Muzan wants Tanjirou dead asap. Rui was the only other Lower moon shown. Defeating the only remaining lower moon demon that fuses with and manipulates tentacle cg train and uses forced sleep hypnosis does nothing to show growth. No other demon before and after until the end of the manga shows even remotely similar powers. So right now we have a bunch of rabble non-ranking demons that were shown to us and we're shown Rui, which mind you is up until ~ep19-20 of s1, the only other Moon Demon. He uses his webs to physically attack the demon slayers. Not to mention, Tanjiro basically does jack and it ends up with the Giyu one shotting Rui. Also whatever training was done ep 20-26 is barely memorable and this is coming from someone who has read the manga and seen the first season twice. It definitely was not a training arc by any means. Just because they 'did exist' at one point means nothing. The only lower moon demon we're even capable of using to gauge Tanjiro + rests strengths is Rui and even then he's already dead and this hypnosis demon has moved up in the hierarchy. Your method of gauging strength is just a form of telling us hey this dudes lower moon level, Tanjiro can beat him now. Does nothing. The audience barely has any idea what lower moon level is since a single character Rui is not a good identifier for an entire class/skill/level bracket. Not to mention is pointless given the fact in the next arc: It's a pointless skipping stone which tries to make the rock skip over an island in the middle of a pond. In a story of physical strength and skill with blades and breath in a fight against humanoid demons, we're shown a battle of dreams and tentacle train. Btw, an upper moon demon hasn't been slayed so far in the anime adaptation so it hasn't been hundreds of years since a Hashira was able to defeat an upper moon demon. "You need the mc to grow at a reasonable pace" - Which hasn't and isn't done. |
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| The movie was all right. It was better than Your Name but worse than Spirited Away. So no, not even close but I'm not gonna sit here and rant about why the movie shouldn't get the success that it did. The one this that does bug me is that the Author was REALLY underpaid for this lol. Like just look at this extract from Wikipedia, "Sugimoto explained that Gotouge is seen as a new writer, because Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba is their first serialized work. Therefore, the upfront payment for use of the work for theatrical rights can run incredibly low. According to Sugimoto, the decision to make a Mugen Train movie was made only during the early broadcast of the Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba TV anime series, when the popularity of the franchise was not as high as it is now. Sugimoto estimates through both of these two aspects that, the fee given to Shueisha for the rights for the story was only around ¥4 million (US$38,372), with only ¥2 million (US$19,201) going to Gotouge directly for the theatrical release." This is just sad, even more so than whatever happened in the movie xd |
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Meriu said: Definitely way better than Kimi no Nawa in my opinion. (since some ppl started comparing them) "I'm also going to compare because some people are doing the same even though both are totally different types of story" Really nice, i like this community. |
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ccrsxx said: Inorichi said: Yeah lol, Sony fucked up big time here. The movie is still in theaters and digital release would still be in July.And it's already pirated. That was unexpected. Actually digital is to be released on Jun 22. Wakeno said: The movie was all right. It was better than Your Name but worse than Spirited Away. So no, not even close but I'm not gonna sit here and rant about why the movie shouldn't get the success that it did. The one this that does bug me is that the Author was REALLY underpaid for this lol. Like just look at this extract from Wikipedia, "Sugimoto explained that Gotouge is seen as a new writer, because Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba is their first serialized work. Therefore, the upfront payment for use of the work for theatrical rights can run incredibly low. According to Sugimoto, the decision to make a Mugen Train movie was made only during the early broadcast of the Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba TV anime series, when the popularity of the franchise was not as high as it is now. Sugimoto estimates through both of these two aspects that, the fee given to Shueisha for the rights for the story was only around ¥4 million (US$38,372), with only ¥2 million (US$19,201) going to Gotouge directly for the theatrical release." This is just sad, even more so than whatever happened in the movie xd They should really fix their payment distribution.I heard that they pay according to the ranks instead of actual talent and this is Gotouge's first work so the higher ups took advantage of that. |
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Inorichi said: And it's already pirated. That was unexpected. You love to see it lol |
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Scordolo said: ccrsxx said: Yeah lol, Sony fucked up big time here. The movie is still in theaters and digital release would still be in July. Actually digital is to be released on Jun 22. Wakeno said: The movie was all right. It was better than Your Name but worse than Spirited Away. So no, not even close but I'm not gonna sit here and rant about why the movie shouldn't get the success that it did. The one this that does bug me is that the Author was REALLY underpaid for this lol. Like just look at this extract from Wikipedia, "Sugimoto explained that Gotouge is seen as a new writer, because Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba is their first serialized work. Therefore, the upfront payment for use of the work for theatrical rights can run incredibly low. According to Sugimoto, the decision to make a Mugen Train movie was made only during the early broadcast of the Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba TV anime series, when the popularity of the franchise was not as high as it is now. Sugimoto estimates through both of these two aspects that, the fee given to Shueisha for the rights for the story was only around ¥4 million (US$38,372), with only ¥2 million (US$19,201) going to Gotouge directly for the theatrical release." This is just sad, even more so than whatever happened in the movie xd They should really fix their payment distribution.I heard that they pay according to the ranks instead of actual talent and this is Gotouge's first work so the higher ups took advantage of that. I definitely agree. Well what I quoted before does somewhat say what you said just now but why do you need to account "talent" into it? I've done some more digging and it seems that, from what I've read, apparently "studios NEED to give out low payments in order to not go broke because making a movie out of an anime is a risky proposition." (paraphrased from a reddit post) It was an upfront payment and it is unfair but even Hideaki Sorachi, the creator of Gintama, said this "He had commented on how the license fee is the only thing paid to a mangaka. A percentage of sales is not involved in the cheque. So even if the series breaks records at theatres, the creator can’t profit from it." (source) I still don't get why they couldn't update the contract after the movie's massive success tho. |
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Siegfried10 said: Inorichi said: Rui was the only other Lower moon shown. Defeating the only remaining lower moon demon that fuses with and manipulates tentacle cg train and uses forced sleep hypnosis does nothing to show growth. No other demon before and after until the end of the manga shows even remotely similar powers. So right now we have a bunch of rabble non-ranking demons that were shown to us and we're shown Rui, which mind you is up until ~ep19-20 of s1, the only other Moon Demon. He uses his webs to physically attack the demon slayers. Not to mention, Tanjiro basically does jack and it ends up with the Giyu one shotting Rui. Also whatever training was done ep 20-26 is barely memorable and this is coming from someone who has read the manga and seen the first season twice. It definitely was not a training arc by any means. Just because they 'did exist' at one point means nothing. The only lower moon demon we're even capable of using to gauge Tanjiro + rests strengths is Rui and even then he's already dead and this hypnosis demon has moved up in the hierarchy. Your method of gauging strength is just a form of telling us hey this dudes lower moon level, Tanjiro can beat him now. Does nothing. The audience barely has any idea what lower moon level is since a single character Rui is not a good identifier for an entire class/skill/level bracket. Not to mention is pointless given the fact in the next arc: It's a pointless skipping stone which tries to make the rock skip over an island in the middle of a pond. In a story of physical strength and skill with blades and breath in a fight against humanoid demons, we're shown a battle of dreams and tentacle train. Btw, an upper moon demon hasn't been slayed so far in the anime adaptation so it hasn't been hundreds of years since a Hashira was able to defeat an upper moon demon. "You need the mc to grow at a reasonable pace" - Which hasn't and isn't done. All demons have tough bodies (specially the necks), and this toughness increases with the amount of Muzan's blood the demons have. In this case the Twelve Demon Moons are the twelve demons with the most of Muzan's blood and the strongest demons overall. How in the world killing one of the top 12 demons doesnt show growth? Tanjirou and friends were able to cut Enmu's flesh and neck, when previously Tanjirou was unable to cut Rui. Rui was one of the weakest lower moons, while Enmu was the strongest (and this was before receiving more of Muzan's blood) since he was Lower Moon One from the beginning. That Enmu's blood demon techniques are focused on dreams doesnt change the fact that his body is tough as hell (tougher than Rui) and that Tanjirou could cut him. The training done after the Rui arc is very important actually, as thats when they learn the Total Concentration Breathing, which is the first step to becoming a Hashira and what allows them to fight against the Twelve Demon Moons. A Demon Slayer who cant do this is just fodder. Lower Moons existence isnt irrelevant at all. While they might be weak to a Hashira, they are insanely strong to a normal Demon Slayer. One of the conditions to becoming a Hashira is to kill one of the Twelve Demon Moons, and a Lower Moon also serves this purpose. You are simply being unreasonable, the fact that Tanjirou and his friends could cut and defeat the strongest Lower Moon shows how much they have grown. They actually have the qualifications to become a Hashira. I know no Upper Moon has been killed in the anime yet, doesnt change the fact that the last one that was killed was hundred of years ago (in the series timeline). I have read the manga and he has indeed grown at a reasonable pace. He didnt go from killing random demons to killing Upper Moons or Muzan. He went from killing random demons (with varying quantities of Muzan's blood), to killing former Kizuki, to killing a Lower Moon (after losing against one first). His growth rate is coherent. Using in-universe time to deny this? In a shonen? Tell me a new joke, we all know Shonen MCs grow in very short timespans, what matter is if the increasing level of dificulty makes sense and they dont go god mode to suddenly. Anyway, this should explain clearly why killing Enmu does indeed show growth for the MC's group. If you still cant get why killing the seventh strongest demon shows growth, then you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Your points still fail to address anything I said. You're just continuously repeating the same thing. "Showing growth". I've already explained that 2 characters, 1 of which who deviate from the regular battle process don't serve as a good indicator of growth. And just because it shows growth does not make it a good or even moderately enjoyable segment of the film. There are a dozen different ways that the plot could have developed in a more interesting way whilst showing growth which doesnt consist of 'Zzz' on a train chair and then fighting a bunch of tentacles in a train. I don't recall outright denying that Tanjiro has grown. This entire portion of the movie/narrative does a terrible job or fails to do the job at all of properly showing growth. Siegfried10 said: his body is tough as hell (tougher than Rui) and that Tanjirou could cut him. Firstly he fused with a train, btw afaik no meaningful explanation of how that even works is given in the manga or the movie, and I'm judging strictly off the movie right now, so again. Not a good indicator of growth. Fusing with an immobile object with no limbs, unable to protect himself doesn't really give the impression of super strong or tougher than Rui. The very fact that they fail to convey that is another reason why the scene becomes dull, pointless, unnecessary. Rui was also secluded in a mountain and more concerned with playing house than his rank or Muzan regardless. Just going off of what's been established so far, the only thing that says Enmu is stronger than Rui is his arbitrary rank assigned to him, which according to Muzan swaps around in the lower moons a lot and he wiped them out of existence and they never make a re-appearance in the story again. Rui could be stronger as far as the audience knows. Literally a 2 minute segment with a flashback to some meeting where Enmu just beats up Rui in the infinity fortress in some demon meeting could have easily established his strength. We're just given the tag "Lower moon 1" which I don't even think appears in the movie aside from subtitles if those even include it. Siegfried10 said: You are simply being unreasonable, the fact that Tanjirou and his friends could cut and defeat the strongest Lower Moon shows how much they have grown. They actually have the qualifications to become a Hashira. Except the fact that Muzan kills them all and even the word 'lower moon' barely or never re-appears in the narrative again. We're shown that Tanjiro has grown strong enough to defeat Lower Moons, except now the entire level of Lower Moons does not exist. Becoming Hashira is not Tanjiro's goal. His goal is to make Nezuko a human again. The process of becoming a Hashira is barely touched upon or not touched upon at all in the anime, this entire scene fails to convey that or growth properly even with three watch throughs of the movie from someone who has read the manga. And the only thing that ties in this arc with the rest of the story moving forward is Rengoku. Enmu is irrelevant and forgotten about for the rest of the series afaik. Siegfried10 said: Anyway, this should explain clearly why killing Enmu does indeed show growth for the MC's group. If you still cant get why killing the seventh strongest demon shows growth, then you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. Showing growth doesn't mean interesting or enjoyable. And it doesn't change the fact that it shows growth in an extremely poor way that's both boring and unintuitive. If it also fails to properly convey that to the audience, it's pointless to include that because it doesn't actually show growth. Grasping at straws and arbitrary tags to solidify the necessity of a scene rather than showing us with the narrative isn't an interesting development at all. "Oh no he's the seventh strongest demon" - What has he done to show that? Absolutely nothing. He fuses with a train and cuts off his own ability to move freely. His tentacles does nothing. His hypnosis which was the only meaningful power strays so far from the norm that it's incomparable to other demons to even gauge how strong Tanjiro has gotten. What happens when the sun comes up? Does the entire train just burn to ashes? And this series has done nothing to prove that those arbirtrary tags mean anything. Especially since they come up whimsically. For example: The rare time that Tanjiro, Zenitsu, and Inosuke's demon slayer ranks come up, they were said to be Kanoe the 4th from the lowest. You keep saying "He's the seventh strongest demon" What has he done to show this? I don't even think Enmu kills anyone in this movie. Even if he does, we're definitely not shown him eating anyone or defeating anyone that constitutes as moderately powerful to gauge Enmu's strength. Enmu = ? Tanjiro beats Enmu ? < Tanjiro. What do we know. That he's stronger than a 1-off throwaway villain? It does nothing. Greater than unknown, is still unknown. "Seventh strongest" means nothing when Muzan established the lower moons are unnecessary just a few eps ago and annihilated them and Enmu does nothing to show his strength. As far as the audience knows, the rankings could go 1: 500000 2: 499000 3: 498000 4: 497000 5: 496000 6: 495000 7: 10 8: 9 Rest of demons: 5 Normal Humans: 3 The movie does nothing to show and doesn't even tell us that. Season 1 told us that he's the "lower moon 1" in a brief conversation which barely lasts a segment of an episode. I don't even think that term comes up in this movie. Nothing solidifies that plot point, and nothing shows that he's actually as strong as you say he is. Tanjiro did not have a training arc that would constitute incredible growth nor does killing some random throwaway villain do anything to properly convey that. Regardless of whether or not you or I believe growth is demonstrated in that scene, it's objectively bad at conveying it and it resulted in a boring lull in the movie. What did Inosuke and Zenitsu's dream do to support or develop the plot or movie? Nothing. It barely constitutes as fan service or comedy. What did the train do? Was it necessary in getting to a destination or acting as a setting? No, it's just some random object the demon fuses with. It could have been a building, a car, or a bus. Do the kids trying to destroy their spirit ever reappear? No. Does the mention of spirit re-appear? Also no. Nothing about this beginning segment of the movie is relevant or necessary. Showing growth repeatedly over and over at every step in the series isn't necessary. Sure you can say and try to argue it showed growth. My point still stands that it was unnecessary and pointless to show that growth in the first place. He didn't need to grow to a higher place to follow up the 2nd half of the movie and his growth is shown again in the very next arc. Both as a segment within the movie and as a part in the franchise as a whole, it was unnecessary and every supporting detail and cast in that segment are irrelevant to everything that comes after both within the movie and in the franchise as a whole. The terminology never appears. The fusing with a train or building thing never appears again. Destroying someone's spirit never appears. Those manipulated children never appear again. A lower moon never appears again. Not even a train appears in the franchise again. |
InorichiApr 30, 2021 2:29 PM
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Wakeno said: Scordolo said: Actually digital is to be released on Jun 22. They should really fix their payment distribution.I heard that they pay according to the ranks instead of actual talent and this is Gotouge's first work so the higher ups took advantage of that. I definitely agree. Well what I quoted before does somewhat say what you said just now but why do you need to account "talent" into it? I've done some more digging and it seems that, from what I've read, apparently "studios NEED to give out low payments in order to not go broke because making a movie out of an anime is a risky proposition." (paraphrased from a reddit post) It was an upfront payment and it is unfair but even Hideaki Sorachi, the creator of Gintama, said this "He had commented on how the license fee is the only thing paid to a mangaka. A percentage of sales is not involved in the cheque. So even if the series breaks records at theatres, the creator can’t profit from it." (source) I still don't get why they couldn't update the contract after the movie's massive success tho. Probably would seem like double standards if it's not something the industry practices. It could lead to other authors that get movie adaptations that see moderate success asking for a percentage. I do think Gotouge has basically been scammed though. Their IP has reached the status of highest grossing national film in history and they didn't even receive 0.1% of the revenue. If ufotable, aniplex, or jump or whoever manages the contract isn't greedy, they'll probably give better rates to Gotouge for a future demon slayer movie. Which there most definitely will be seeing the mind blowing success of Mugen train. |
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