Wandering Witch: The Journey of Elaina (light novel)
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Oct 27, 2020 9:28 PM
#251
tutiflo said: Except this mistake, the episode was ok, the ending twist was not that surprising but still a good series to follow 4/5 Isn't the first image just the reflection? And the second one is the real one with the image in front of them (or behind from the viewer's perspective). |
Oct 28, 2020 12:56 AM
#252
Opticflash said: nightcrawlercyp said: 1. is ok to fire them not necessary dispose of them. The biggest evidence of the fact governments harm their citizens are the abuses that happen right now all over the world. In developing countries maybe, and possibly the US. Light could get rid of those people, but what has an FBI agent got to do with this? nightcrawlercyp said: 2. he cannot. But he is just defending himself. Those cops generally hunt him because he killed people that in a normal system would be executed. There are several things he could have done, such as going out with regular friends to throw off the investigator. His whole motive was done boldly to provoke L at the expense of becoming more suspicious. He didn't care at all that the FBI agents were just people doing what they're told. nightcrawlercyp said: 3. they are not illogical. I try to apply logic to every anime universe. The question you posed was illogical and I explained to you why. Your question was "why can't he/she do X?". The question itself warrants and infinite number of queries in which a finite medium cannot address. Therefore "why can't he/she do X?", where X is something to be demonstrated, is an illogical question. nightcrawlercyp said: 4. I brought arguments and evidence you just refused them. Building a huge hole versus moving a few materials around to make a hut which is harder? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vg9L3di4P0&ab_channel=BuildingSkill here is an example. Also in my country extremely poor people and hermits would often build what is called a bordei which basically a small hole in the ground covered by a roof made of various materials. Or this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBiu1Emv31Q&ab_channel=TAOutdoors . And would you say those are hard to build for a regular person? Let alone a witch? And these are people who already possess some knowledge about how to make a standing structure, and given the right environment to be in to do so, e.g. forest with trees, axes, small cliffs and trenches, mud, etc. Finding the appropriate resources, and learning how to make an adequate structure, is far more time consuming than breaking down a door and finding shelter in a building in an apparently abandoned city. 1. Are UK Germany and Ireland developping countries? Also the question you have to ask yourself is this: generally an issue that involves the FBI happens at most once every few months and the number of agents involved is small. So what do they do the rest if the time the majority to jystify their time? 2.doing what you are told is an excuse that only works in military in wartime and as can be seen with natzy germany sometimes it does not work even then. Is a cop out. 3. I provided a number of ways she could do that from the top of my head so to speak 4.Those people? Most men that did not live all their life in a big city know how to do that or at least should and many from cities as well. |
Oct 28, 2020 3:44 AM
#253
This is certainly an anime yes it is, I really don't know what to think after 4 episodes now and thats not a good thing. |
Oct 28, 2020 4:38 AM
#254
Oct 28, 2020 7:17 AM
#255
nightcrawlercyp said: 1. Are UK Germany and Ireland developping countries? Also the question you have to ask yourself is this: generally an issue that involves the FBI happens at most once every few months and the number of agents involved is small. So what do they do the rest if the time the majority to jystify their time? No. Explain to me how UK, Germany, Ireland is corrupt and who are the corrupt ones. FBI agents are involved in numerous tasks every day and week, including gathering intel, data analysis, weapons training, and responding to crimes. See here, here, here, here, etc. Explain to me how most FBI agents are corrupt. nightcrawlercyp said: 2.doing what you are told is an excuse that only works in military in wartime and as can be seen with natzy germany sometimes it does not work even then. Is a cop out. No it isn't. They're assigned a mission in which they respond to. nightcrawlercyp said: 3. I provided a number of ways she could do that from the top of my head so to speak 4.Those people? Most men that did not live all their life in a big city know how to do that or at least should and many from cities as well. Yes and those "most men" from the countryside or in poverty have very different skillsets compared to the wealthier class living in urban areas. I already told you that Elaina needs to know some basics about how to make a standing structure using the right resources, and it takes time to do and find. |
Oct 28, 2020 8:05 AM
#256
Opticflash said: nightcrawlercyp said: 1. Are UK Germany and Ireland developping countries? Also the question you have to ask yourself is this: generally an issue that involves the FBI happens at most once every few months and the number of agents involved is small. So what do they do the rest if the time the majority to jystify their time? No. Explain to me how UK, Germany, Ireland is corrupt and who are the corrupt ones. FBI agents are involved in numerous tasks every day and week, including gathering intel, data analysis, weapons training, and responding to crimes. See here, here, here, here, etc. Explain to me how most FBI agents are corrupt. nightcrawlercyp said: 2.doing what you are told is an excuse that only works in military in wartime and as can be seen with natzy germany sometimes it does not work even then. Is a cop out. No it isn't. They're assigned a mission in which they respond to. nightcrawlercyp said: 3. I provided a number of ways she could do that from the top of my head so to speak 4.Those people? Most men that did not live all their life in a big city know how to do that or at least should and many from cities as well. Yes and those "most men" from the countryside or in poverty have very different skillsets compared to the wealthier class living in urban areas. I already told you that Elaina needs to know some basics about how to make a standing structure using the right resources, and it takes time to do and find. 1. Police officers attack people on the street for no reason or for protesting peacefully . They now have the right to enter your home without a warrant or reason , take you into custody and send you to the equivalent of a concentration camp. Gathering intel about whom? 2. if it makes you feel any better you can believe that doing immoral unspeakable acts just because your boss told you is ok. 3,4 First off you associate wealth with big cities, that is bs. Truly wealthy people choose not to stay in the cities, just office drones stay in cities. About different skills maybe, my point was that most people in big cities do not know about anything except their job. Minor things like fixing a water pipe or replacing an electric fuse often leaves them stumped. Also if you missed it she is from the country side. |
Oct 28, 2020 8:19 AM
#257
nightcrawlercyp said: 1. Police officers attack people on the street for no reason or for protesting peacefully . They now have the right to enter your home without a warrant or reason , take you into custody and send you to the equivalent of a concentration camp. Which police officers, and how many? What's the situation like in Germany, UK, and Ireland? Who are the police offices? How does Light differentiate between those bad cops versus good cops? nightcrawlercyp said: 2. if it makes you feel any better you can believe that doing immoral unspeakable acts just because your boss told you is ok. Are you talking about FBI being immoral in general? And how do you tell difference between the good ones versus bad ones? nightcrawlercyp said: 3,4 First off you associate wealth with big cities, that is bs. Truly wealthy people choose not to stay in the cities, just office drones stay in cities. About different skills maybe, my point was that most people in big cities do not know about anything except their job. Minor things like fixing a water pipe or replacing an electric fuse often leaves them stumped. Also if you missed it she is from the country side. No I'm saying the men you showed in the videos, and people in similar situations have different skills compared to the wealthier class living in urban areas. I am not associating urban areas with wealth. She doesn't appear to be from the countryside. Minor things like fixing a water pipe or replacing an electric fuse often leaves them stumped. You're exactly right. And how do you know something like this doesn't apply to Elaina with regards to building a hut? |
Oct 28, 2020 9:23 AM
#258
Im really liking the show thus far, elaina? yeah not so much, for some reason I can’t hate nor like her, hope to see at least some development further on Also why all the police things? |
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Oct 28, 2020 9:31 AM
#259
Opticflash said: nightcrawlercyp said: 1. Police officers attack people on the street for no reason or for protesting peacefully . They now have the right to enter your home without a warrant or reason , take you into custody and send you to the equivalent of a concentration camp. Which police officers, and how many? What's the situation like in Germany, UK, and Ireland? Who are the police offices? How does Light differentiate between those bad cops versus good cops? nightcrawlercyp said: 2. if it makes you feel any better you can believe that doing immoral unspeakable acts just because your boss told you is ok. Are you talking about FBI being immoral in general? And how do you tell difference between the good ones versus bad ones? nightcrawlercyp said: 3,4 First off you associate wealth with big cities, that is bs. Truly wealthy people choose not to stay in the cities, just office drones stay in cities. About different skills maybe, my point was that most people in big cities do not know about anything except their job. Minor things like fixing a water pipe or replacing an electric fuse often leaves them stumped. Also if you missed it she is from the country side. No I'm saying the men you showed in the videos, and people in similar situations have different skills compared to the wealthier class living in urban areas. I am not associating urban areas with wealth. She doesn't appear to be from the countryside. Minor things like fixing a water pipe or replacing an electric fuse often leaves them stumped. You're exactly right. And how do you know something like this doesn't apply to Elaina with regards to building a hut? 1. All . Plenty of vids on youtube.Light does not care. Is like in that story with kill everybody and let God choose its own. 2.I am talking in general of anyone using the I am just following orders or just doing my job excuse. 3. Well she lived in the middle of the forest for 2 years. She must have learned something. And I thought her parent's home was in a village. 4. Because it seems do be a pre industrial society |
Oct 28, 2020 10:17 AM
#260
KenziYatsuki said: I feel bad for people who hope it will be like a shounen anime. I totally enjoying this though... well, you should watch Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear then if don't like a dark story. bruh this is a shonen look it up. |
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Oct 28, 2020 10:22 AM
#261
nightcrawlercyp said: 1. All . Plenty of vids on youtube.Light does not care. Is like in that story with kill everybody and let God choose its own. 2.I am talking in general of anyone using the I am just following orders or just doing my job excuse. YouTube isn't representative of a societal body as a whole. For example, if a bad cop does bad things, it will be noted all over the news and on YouTube, even if they're one bad cop out of 99 other good cops. For Death Note We were talking about how Light killed those FBI agents. Did Light think those FBI agents that he killed were evil? Why? nightcrawlercyp said: 3. Well she lived in the middle of the forest for 2 years. She must have learned something. And I thought her parent's home was in a village. 4. Because it seems do be a pre industrial society She learned magic. It was never indicated that she learned hut building. Her parent's home appears to be in a suburban area with a city close by as we observe from episode 1. It doesn't seem to be a pre-industrial society; it appears to be a society whose foundations are different to ours in terms its physical nature. That society emphasizes other aspects like magic. Furthermore there are structures more advanced than huts, in which we have no indication of Elaina ever knowing how to build. hazarddex said: bruh this is a shonen look it up. Wikipedia is always a good site to reference things. |
OpticflashOct 28, 2020 10:30 AM
Oct 28, 2020 10:33 AM
#262
Opticflash said: hazarddex said: bruh this is a shonen look it up. Wikipedia is always a good site to reference things. it's listed as shonen here as well https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=151886 it's shonen death note is also a shonen so not sure why you find it hard to accept. being "edgy and dark." doesn't make something not shonen Akame ga kill is also a shonen same with deadman wonder land. meanwhile Nanoha is seinen at this point your just a raging fanboy if you can't accept reality even. this show is shonen this is a fact of reality. |
GrimAtramentOct 28, 2020 10:37 AM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Oct 28, 2020 10:53 AM
#263
hazarddex said: this show is shonen this is a fact of reality. The problem isn't what sources you use to reference it being a shounen. The problem is "shounen" is a completely arbitrary label on a piece of work with no meaning whatsoever. One day some random decided to make a label for it and then people started to expect it to be some kind of show based on that arbitrary label that person assigned to it. Someone could have called it "poptart" or whatever and none of that would have made a difference to the story. So therefore, because someone labelled it as "X", and you didn't expect some of the elements in what you see in this show as belonging to "X", to suggest that the show is terrible as a result of is just plain silly. BTW I'm starting to watch Kino no Tabi. How is it any better? |
Oct 28, 2020 10:55 AM
#264
Opticflash said: hazarddex said: this show is shonen this is a fact of reality. The problem isn't what sources you use to reference it being a shounen. The problem is "shounen" is a completely arbitrary label on a piece of work with no meaning whatsoever. One day some random decided to make a label for it and then people started to expect it to be some kind of show based on that arbitrary label that person assigned to it. Someone could have called it "poptart" or whatever and none of that would have made a difference to the story. So therefore, because someone labelled it as "X", and you didn't expect some of the elements in what you see in this show as belonging to "X", to suggest that the show is terrible as a result of is just plain silly. i didn't use it to say a shows silly stop being a raging fanboy. i said it was shonen because some one said it wasn't shonen which is false because factually this series is shonen also your goal post shifting now from "it's not shonen." to "that doesn't make it bad." the original argument was to is it shonen or not and the answer is YES it's shonen. and shonen does have meaning it's meaning is for young boys. just like shoujo is for young girls i.e kids to late teens. seinen is for adults. it's a demographic list being edgy doesn't make is any less of a shonen. look at akame ga kill where the author killed off so many characters he had to bring some back to life just to finish the story that just as shonen as this show is |
GrimAtramentOct 28, 2020 11:01 AM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Oct 28, 2020 11:00 AM
#265
hazarddex said: i didn't use it to say a shows silly stop being a raging fanboy. i said it was shonen because some one said it wasn't shonen which is false because factually this series is shonen also your goal post shifting now from "it's not shonen." to "that doesn't make it bad." the original argument was to is it shonen or not and the answer is YES it's shonen. Except that person clearly was referring to what people expect it to be, and the fact that some people are upset they didn't expect the anime to be a certain way based on an arbitrary label. I'm aware what "shounen" means, it's just so arbitrary and silly to judge a show based on a label. "It's shounen because some guy labeled it as shounen on the internet" what a pointless topic to debate on. I'm starting to watch Kino no Tabi. How is it any better? |
Oct 28, 2020 11:04 AM
#266
Opticflash said: hazarddex said: i didn't use it to say a shows silly stop being a raging fanboy. i said it was shonen because some one said it wasn't shonen which is false because factually this series is shonen also your goal post shifting now from "it's not shonen." to "that doesn't make it bad." the original argument was to is it shonen or not and the answer is YES it's shonen. Except that person clearly was referring to what people expect it to be, and the fact that some people are upset they didn't expect the anime to be a certain way based on an arbitrary label. "It's shounen because some guy labeled it as shounen on the internet" what a pointless topic to debate on. I'm starting to watch Kino no Tabi. How is it any better? and i'm telling them that it's stll shonen and just because they think a show is dark doesn't make it not a shonen. also it's not "some guy", it's the distributors that labelled it as shonen for demographic purposes. which one? the original or the semi-remake/sequel? because the newer one expects you to have seen the original already. (as the only two repeating episodes are kino's backstory, and the collessium to establish the back story for the other protagonist.) |
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Oct 28, 2020 11:16 AM
#267
hazarddex said: and i'm telling them that it's stll shonen and just because they think a show is dark doesn't make it not a shonen. also it's not "some guy", it's the distributors that labelled it as shonen for demographic purposes. "Some random guy and the distributors labelled it as shounen therefore it is shounen" OK WeirdChamp hazarddex said: which one? the original or the semi-remake/sequel? because the newer one expects you to have seen the original already. (as the only two repeating episodes are kino's backstory, and the collessium to establish the back story for the other protagonist.) Original. I watched the first episode. We hardly learn anything about Kino as a person at all. We know she has some strong resolve to continue travelling, nothing beyond that. We learn more about who Elaina is in the first episode, what she's like as a person. So much for your "complex character"; it's just a bunch of dialogue that goes like "where should this coin go to?" and "that's interesting". |
Oct 28, 2020 11:21 AM
#268
Opticflash said: hazarddex said: and i'm telling them that it's stll shonen and just because they think a show is dark doesn't make it not a shonen. also it's not "some guy", it's the distributors that labelled it as shonen for demographic purposes. "Some random guy and the distributors labelled it as shounen therefore it is shounen" OK WeirdChamp hazarddex said: which one? the original or the semi-remake/sequel? because the newer one expects you to have seen the original already. (as the only two repeating episodes are kino's backstory, and the collessium to establish the back story for the other protagonist.) Original. I watched the first episode. We hardly learn anything about Kino as a person at all. We know she has some strong resolve to continue travelling, nothing beyond that. We learn more about who Elaina is in the first episode, what she's like as a person. So much for your "complex character"; it's just a bunch of dialogue that goes like "where should this coin go to?" and "that's interesting". keep watching you only seen 1 episode and that episode is more of a ton setter. also you know theres a prequel movie that takes place before episode one right? her backstory episode is ep 4 that and the prequel movie set after the events of episode 4 https://myanimelist.net/anime/1379/Kino_no_Tabi__The_Beautiful_World_-_Nanika_wo_Suru_Tame_ni_-_Life_Goes_On?q=Kino%20no%20tabi%3A%20Life%20goes%20on%20&cat=anime i gave this series a total of 4 damn volumes (which might be more then this anime shows in 12 episodes.) of my attention before losing interest. yet you give up at 1 episode which isn't even a full volume of kino no tabi. which tells me you came into that series with the mindset not to like it. i guess that shows who's not the raging fanboy. |
GrimAtramentOct 28, 2020 11:36 AM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Oct 28, 2020 11:49 AM
#269
hazarddex said: keep watching you only seen 1 episode and that episode is more of a ton setter. also you know theres a prequel movie that takes place before episode one right? her backstory episode is ep 4 that and the prequel movie set after the events of episode 4 https://myanimelist.net/anime/1379/Kino_no_Tabi__The_Beautiful_World_-_Nanika_wo_Suru_Tame_ni_-_Life_Goes_On?q=Kino%20no%20tabi%3A%20Life%20goes%20on%20&cat=anime Ok, I'll tell you my take on it through PM or whatever once I reach there. hazarddex said: i gave this series a total of 4 damn volumes (which might be more then this anime shows in 12 episodes.) of my attention before losing interest. yet you give up at 1 episode which isn't even a full volume of kino no tabi. which tells me you came into that series with the mindset not to like it. i guess that shows who's not the raging fanboy. Lolol, when did I say I gave up on episode 1 or suggest in any way that Kino no Tabi is a bad show? I think it is quite promising and will likely turn out decent for me. All I did was tell you that it's nothing spectacular from episode 1 and isn't the "the character and series is much better than Majo no Tabitabi" that you painted it to be. I think Majo no Tabitabi episode 1 was done better than Kino no Tabi episode 1. |
Oct 28, 2020 11:52 AM
#270
@Opticflash tell me when you reach episode 2 it is a good one and show how to do this animes episode 3 better. |
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Oct 28, 2020 11:55 AM
#271
@hazarddex I will give you my review after episode 4, ok? |
Oct 28, 2020 3:29 PM
#272
AdolZeppeli said: mkzxwing said: Okay, now i REALLY don't get it. Tried posting about ep3 but the forum was broken so i'll involve my episode 3 thoughts too. It was a nice show till ep 3, if a bit weird (who sleeps with a random person you just met?). Ep3 made NO sense. I don't mean not trying to singlehandedly dismantle the institute of slavery, no, although it was weird how she first helped her a bit with the broken dish and then said she doesn't want to know what happens to her (so why'd she help her? petty momentary gratification?), but i REALLY didn't get why she didn't try doing something about the flower field... That smug 'praise me more' sounded really scummy instead of charming after that ending. And now this. The only reason i could think of not doing anything about the flower fields is some preachy shit about not wanting to change natural order or something, but now that she got involved with the princess this episode... I don't know WHAT to think. Like, what's the point, the moral of the story these last two episodes? Its just random bullshit as far as i see. Even singlehandedly freeing the slaves, or just that one slave now sounds less delusional, because i don't think its less risky (immediate threat AND reputation threat) than getting involved with a crazy princess who destroyed her whole fucking country with her dad's hands, then killed her dad (a fucking king!) too? Also is there no thermal magic to help her against the cold? Or is there some unspoken witch rules that forbid her to get warmer clothes and/or start a fire somewhere instead of stopping in a fucking warzone? My score for this show's plummeting from 'great' (first 2 episodes) to mediocre pretty fast... The anime gives you crystal clear details on why Elaina decides not to intervene. First, you have the misconception that Elaina is a super hero, which, she's not, she's just a traveler. She's smart but she's not that powerful when it comes to magic (becomes crystal clear in episode 4 btw) Now, the tale of the flowers talked about how the plants started to absorb more and more magic, for an average witch to try to intervene in affairs she's not familiar with, could have been very problematic, things could have ended way worse and she would put herself in danger (remember, she promised her mother not to be in danger and flee) The slave problem, the story was also pretty clear about it, not because you're helping means that you're doing something good. Elaina considered doing something about the Town Chief, but decided not to and instead repaired the thing the slave broke. We're talking about the Town Chief here, He might be an ass but you don't know in what affair this guy contributes to the town, Elaina also doesn't know the entire story either, so straight up intervening could have made things way worse. And last, this episode, funny you mention that when Elaina had no clue about Mirarose's personality nor the story behind it, Elaina decided to help because she was fooled by her into thinking Mirarose was the victim here, it goes around the same dilemma of episode 3: Not because you're helping means that you're doing something good. You gotta know the entire story before acting, unless you want to fuck up things badly. This anime gives you already enough details, how people ignores that is beyond me. It seems the generic shounen that puts their MC in a pedestal with the slogan "helping is always good, therefore I should stick my nose into everything" has rotten the brain of the anime fanbase. RayReynolds said: I wasn't thinking on talking about this show, but I feel like this episode should be commented on but that's largely because this continues to be incredibly tone deaf and oblivious. It thinks that it's being insightful or deep when it declares that there are many sides to things, while trying to rationalize mass murder and genocide as a response to injustice of course! 1 injustice justifies all retribution against anybody and everybody. At the same time, Elaina has immense power, but chooses to never use it or even try to make things better… and this was after the first episode post-origin story where one girl's insecurity was too much for her to overlook. Now, letting entire nations burn, slavers abuse people, and stark raving mad witches run free are all things she's not going to get involved with? FACEPALM And our sociopath MC learns all this and once again goes "Welp, not my problem. Peace out, dead dudez!" This is literally DC supervillain backstory, and our main character is just walking away from someone who committed genocide on an entire kingdom as revenge for one dude's wrongdoing. How the goddamned hell are you trying to both-sides this? Excuse me, but when was stated that Elaina has immense power? She's better than the average apprentice, not better than everyone, I think this was clear since the first episode. Pay more attention people. Also, what the heck do you want her to do? It's not like she can do anything against a witch as powerful as the one portrayed in this episode, she promised her mother not to get into trouble and return safe, so why would she waste her time trying to stop or intervene in affairs that are beyond her power? What else can she do? go on, enlighten me, you who know it all. "She didn't know what she was getting into.". That's exactly the point. You have a destroyed city. A princess in the only standing building. You do NOT get involved with her until you DO know what you're getting into, because again, that's shady as fuck, and turned out to be way worse than actually doing something about the slaves, which you didn't seem to understand i gave as an example of something RIDICULOUS to do, not something she should have done (the question about why she'd help just that one time still stands though). As for the flower fields... We don't really know, all we're told is THEY DON'T AFFECT MAGES, so, for all we know, she can just burn it with no consequences. And if its NOT the case, well, why not TELL us? They tell us a lot of things that are WAY less important than the reasoning behind her not intervening... |
Oct 28, 2020 4:23 PM
#273
mkzxwing said: "She didn't know what she was getting into.". That's exactly the point. You have a destroyed city. A princess in the only standing building. You do NOT get involved with her until you DO know what you're getting into, because again, that's shady as fuck, and turned out to be way worse than actually doing something about the slaves, which you didn't seem to understand i gave as an example of something RIDICULOUS to do, not something she should have done (the question about why she'd help just that one time still stands though). As for the flower fields... We don't really know, all we're told is THEY DON'T AFFECT MAGES, so, for all we know, she can just burn it with no consequences. And if its NOT the case, well, why not TELL us? They tell us a lot of things that are WAY less important than the reasoning behind her not intervening... She's tired, in the middle of a wasteland, almost night and possibly hungry, what else do you want her to do? Stay on the outside dying of cold or getting intoxicated by the pollution from the ash? Magic can't last forever and you can't make fire out of ash, worst case scenario she gets eaten by the monster outside without knowing. Even tho the castle was shady and shit, do you expect a novice witch, who is tired, to brainstorm in such a situation? Either way was dangerous for her, but the castle looked the safest, why? you don't know if the city was attacked by someone or something, so better stay in a building that looks well protected. What? you expect a show to spoon-feed you information that you can grasp by simply paying attention? As far as I know, anime is an AUDIOVISUAL MEDIA, don't just stick with what the anime tells you, pay more attention to the details that an anime is able to offer, watch how characters react, watch how the characters didn't ask Elaina for help, they simply told her not to bring flowers, maybe the town is already doomed or maybe they tried getting rid of it but failed at it. Sure, Witches are "immune" to the flowers' magic absorption, but that DOESN'T mean their magic is effective, if it was effective, then why is that thing still haunting the town? why no one has done anything about it yet? Those visual details tells you more valuable information than a million words do. It also seems like you're contradicting yourself: "She didn't know what she was getting into." But then you want her to act with the flower field, that no one (including witches) has dared to face it yet, just because they told you witches are "immune" to the curse. (Which doesn't necessarily mean witches are a counter to it) But then you complain when she does help without knowing further on what was happening, which turns out it was way worse than she thought and her help wasn't even needed. So I ask, what the hell do you guys want? If you want a Mary Sue character that helps everyone and saves the day, go watch Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear instead, there you'll see a girl that helps everyone because she's overpowered, hell, she even becomes Jesus and heal diseases without cure, she's literally a god and everyone ends up being happy there, sounds to me like a show you'd love. |
"We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
Oct 28, 2020 4:33 PM
#274
hazarddex said: and i'm telling them that it's stll shonen and just because they think a show is dark doesn't make it not a shonen. also it's not "some guy", it's the distributors that labelled it as shonen for demographic purposes. which one? the original or the semi-remake/sequel? because the newer one expects you to have seen the original already. (as the only two repeating episodes are kino's backstory, and the collessium to establish the back story for the other protagonist.) You're objectively wrong. The anime isn't based on the manga, it's based on the Light Novel wich is the original source. The manga that's serialized in a shonen publisher it's also a different adaptation. Just because there was another adaptation in manga format, doesn't make the demographic shonen if the anime gets adapted later on. |
Oct 28, 2020 4:44 PM
#275
This entire discussion thread makes my brain hurt lmao. Are people really that mad at Elaina for not being the most generic (male) self-insert protagonist most shounen have? And then you have people that actually take their time to explain everything to them and they are just like "no, I hate this character and anime cause I'm such a good person - look at me - if this were me I'd help everyone and cure cancer"... I- Great episode imo. Oh and to everyone that actually had some valid criticism or realized that this show just isn't for them (cause it's episodic or smth like that): all the power to you! My little rant was just directed at a very specific group of people here :x |
There's no possible way you can steal my heart I want to drown in this sweet Melancholy |
Oct 28, 2020 5:35 PM
#276
Kimurah said: hazarddex said: and i'm telling them that it's stll shonen and just because they think a show is dark doesn't make it not a shonen. also it's not "some guy", it's the distributors that labelled it as shonen for demographic purposes. which one? the original or the semi-remake/sequel? because the newer one expects you to have seen the original already. (as the only two repeating episodes are kino's backstory, and the collessium to establish the back story for the other protagonist.) You're objectively wrong. The anime isn't based on the manga, it's based on the Light Novel wich is the original source. The manga that's serialized in a shonen publisher it's also a different adaptation. Just because there was another adaptation in manga format, doesn't make the demographic shonen if the anime gets adapted later on. except the manga is darker then the anime so not sure what you mean by objectively wrong. >_> most LN don't get a demographic rating in japan, but that doesn't make it a diffrent demographic because it's adapted into a diffrent source material. for example death note anime, and manga are both shonen. most anime that are adapted off source material maintain the same rating there other adaptations have. you seem like you got triggered for some one pointing out that shoenn can be dark and edgy and still shonen. this series even from all that shown is defiantly not seinen. made in abyss is seinen. most series that are seinen have a ton of gore, nudity and or profanity. for example tokyo ghoul despite many thinking it's shonen is seinen. even nanoha which is MUCH MUCH more light hearted then this show is seinen due to it's topic of child abuse(which is only really the 1st season.) and the transformation scenes (all seasons.) a lot of people on this forum seem to conflate shonen with shows like naurto and DBZ, but that is simply not the case. some dude i spoke to on the forums is still is in denial that death note is shonen. i might have to make a threat about this in discussion because I've seen one to many people pull the "this isn't shonen." with shows that are specifically labelled shonen. *cough* akame ga kill *cough* |
GrimAtramentOct 28, 2020 5:47 PM
"among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Oct 28, 2020 6:13 PM
#277
AdolZeppeli said: mkzxwing said: "She didn't know what she was getting into.". That's exactly the point. You have a destroyed city. A princess in the only standing building. You do NOT get involved with her until you DO know what you're getting into, because again, that's shady as fuck, and turned out to be way worse than actually doing something about the slaves, which you didn't seem to understand i gave as an example of something RIDICULOUS to do, not something she should have done (the question about why she'd help just that one time still stands though). As for the flower fields... We don't really know, all we're told is THEY DON'T AFFECT MAGES, so, for all we know, she can just burn it with no consequences. And if its NOT the case, well, why not TELL us? They tell us a lot of things that are WAY less important than the reasoning behind her not intervening... She's tired, in the middle of a wasteland, almost night and possibly hungry, what else do you want her to do? Stay on the outside dying of cold or getting intoxicated by the pollution from the ash? Magic can't last forever and you can't make fire out of ash, worst case scenario she gets eaten by the monster outside without knowing. Even tho the castle was shady and shit, do you expect a novice witch, who is tired, to brainstorm in such a situation? Either way was dangerous for her, but the castle looked the safest, why? you don't know if the city was attacked by someone or something, so better stay in a building that looks well protected. What? you expect a show to spoon-feed you information that you can grasp by simply paying attention? As far as I know, anime is an AUDIOVISUAL MEDIA, don't just stick with what the anime tells you, pay more attention to the details that an anime is able to offer, watch how characters react, watch how the characters didn't ask Elaina for help, they simply told her not to bring flowers, maybe the town is already doomed or maybe they tried getting rid of it but failed at it. Sure, Witches are "immune" to the flowers' magic absorption, but that DOESN'T mean their magic is effective, if it was effective, then why is that thing still haunting the town? why no one has done anything about it yet? Those visual details tells you more valuable information than a million words do. It also seems like you're contradicting yourself: "She didn't know what she was getting into." But then you want her to act with the flower field, that no one (including witches) has dared to face it yet, just because they told you witches are "immune" to the curse. (Which doesn't necessarily mean witches are a counter to it) But then you complain when she does help without knowing further on what was happening, which turns out it was way worse than she thought and her help wasn't even needed. So I ask, what the hell do you guys want? If you want a Mary Sue character that helps everyone and saves the day, go watch Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear instead, there you'll see a girl that helps everyone because she's overpowered, hell, she even becomes Jesus and heal diseases without cure, she's literally a god and everyone ends up being happy there, sounds to me like a show you'd love. She said she was cold, yes, which is why i asked - why not use magic, or, given it doesn't get cold IN A SECOND, you know, WEAR SOME CLOTHES? if she was hungry, since we're on that topic from before, WHY NOT CARRY SOME RATIONS? Or hunt something? As per tired, why not carry a sleeping bag? She could dig an absolutely GIANT hole in no time, there's no way she can't hunt some small game, find a cave or chop up a tree or two with magic, dig a hole, cover it with said trees, start a fire (and why make it out of ash? again, trees literally EVERYWHERE around there), cook, eat, rest. Is she not a traveler? Is she not a bright individual? She also arrived some time around evening, and said she'd reach the next town only around night, so it wasn't THAT far, thus making farigue and hunger not that big a problem, just leaving us to ask WHY NOT WEAR SOMETHING?! Or at least scavenge some clothes if you are already stupid enough to not carry any to begin with... Spoon feed me info? Well, yes, i don't want that, but you know what i see? A witch landing in the middle of a burning city, with MASSIVE CLAW MARKS on the walls. You know what that audio-visual info translates to? Either "safe" (cuz of something she knows but we don't), or "Confident"/"Stupid". Also on your previous statement she's not that strong, i object, the witch in ep1 was pretty damn kickass, and she beat her. What you said about the flower field makes SOME sense, but again 'its magic, i won't explain tits', immune to the curse? Yes. Can stand on the grove? Yes. Can stand LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE THING and talk with the victims? Sure. No, you either don't take it that far, or at least EXPLAIN this shit and what she's thinking. And what's it has to do with a Mary Sue? I just want some fucking sense and consistency, one half of an episode she'll stare at a man getting digested as many more march forward to be eaten, the next half episode she'll say she doesn't want to know what happens to the slave girl. Like, one death you don't mind staring at dead in the face, the other you don't even want to hear about..? No warm clothes or plan for outdoor sleeping/shelter nor mobile rations in winter? This isn't Mary Sue demands man, this is like, basic consistency, and basic, CAVE MAN FUCKING TIER survival, its really not asking much, come on, the winter stuff part alone is making your average camper look like a fucking supehero next to her... |
Oct 28, 2020 8:16 PM
#278
mkzxwing said: She said she was cold, yes, which is why i asked - why not use magic, or, given it doesn't get cold IN A SECOND, you know, WEAR SOME CLOTHES? if she was hungry, since we're on that topic from before, WHY NOT CARRY SOME RATIONS? Or hunt something? As per tired, why not carry a sleeping bag? She could dig an absolutely GIANT hole in no time, there's no way she can't hunt some small game, find a cave or chop up a tree or two with magic, dig a hole, cover it with said trees, start a fire (and why make it out of ash? again, trees literally EVERYWHERE around there), cook, eat, rest. Is she not a traveler? Is she not a bright individual? She also arrived some time around evening, and said she'd reach the next town only around night, so it wasn't THAT far, thus making farigue and hunger not that big a problem, just leaving us to ask WHY NOT WEAR SOMETHING?! Or at least scavenge some clothes if you are already stupid enough to not carry any to begin with... Right, lemme just bring up my sleeping bag, my witch pot, and my hunting set real quick and I'll install myself to try to hunt out animals on a massive ash wasteland. Scavenge clothes? of burnt people? Okay, I guess burnt clothes are really comfy and warm LOL. What's next? rip off people's skin and wear it? Also on your previous statement she's not that strong, i object, the witch in ep1 was pretty damn kickass, and she beat her. Does that compare to what Mirarose was able to do in this episode? The forest witch is a baby in comparison to what was portrayed here, also, Elaina is not proficient on combat, have you seen her, besides episode 1, going into another confrontation? Remember Elaina did the witch exam just so she could have the witch thing and travel freely around the world, not to be the strongest witch and show off. It's like studying hard for that math exam, you do it, you pass, and then you forget everything after a while and you're happy that you went through that obstacle and got it done. immune to the curse? Yes. Can stand on the grove? Yes. Can stand LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE THING and talk with the victims? Sure. No, you either don't take it that far, or at least EXPLAIN this shit and what she's thinking. Again, the flower thing has been there for a while, the towns guards knows about it and prevents people from bringing flowers, yet, no one has asked for help, no one has dared to face it, no witch has faced it either. Hmmmm I wonder why, they're immune, right?, so why? HMMM HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, Ah yes, maybe because it's not that simple as just burning the thing, if that were the case, the thing wouldn't be there. At this point you're just bringing shit on Elaina just because she's not your typical generic super hero that saves the day. Like I've said to a bunch of people on this forum already, things are easier said than done, you can bloat as much as you want as how you're willing to help, but doing so it's a complete different matter. Look at the streets, lots of shit happens and the only thing people do is bring up their cellphone and record, they don't do anything else despite being able to intervene but they don't, why? because one thing is saying stuff, and the other one is taking action. |
BlazingWayfarerOct 29, 2020 6:18 AM
"We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
Oct 28, 2020 10:34 PM
#279
hazarddex said: @Opticflash tell me when you reach episode 2 it is a good one and show how to do this animes episode 3 better. Alright, so I watched Kino no Tabi up to episode 4, and I don't see how it's so superior to Majo no Tabitabi. We have a small glimpse of what Kino is like as a person in episode 2. More specifically, she's a person who values both human and animal lives, but doesn't hesitate to kill. She expresses little emotion in doing so. In episode 4 we get a background of how she went on a journey. This is far from being a complex character; it's at the same level as Elaina. For Elaina, we know more about her personality than we know about Kino but not about her past or drive to travel. I would give Kino no Tabi a 7 based on the first 4 episodes, but nothing outstanding to move it to 8+. You were harping on about how Kino no Tabi was such a superior show because it had a more complex main character, when that doesn't appear to be the case so far. I was expecting a Hachiman-type character given your description of Kino no Tabi, but I guess I was too optimistic. The first 4 episodes of Majo no Tabitabi were more impressive than the first 4 episodes of Kino no Tabi, due to the fact that the idea each episode tried to convey was done more powerfully (via visual effects, choice of scenes, soundtrack, etc.) in Majo no Tabitabi than Kino no Tabi. |
Oct 29, 2020 7:11 AM
#280
If they somewhere established that 'curses' caused amnesia somewhere within the past few episodes, even if hinted it, I would probably have been okay with this story but since it didn't, the amnesia just felt like a cheap way to leave the viewers in the dark about her past. But then to just casually reveal everything kind of made the entire thing meaningless. I'm not really sure how to feel about this episode. |
Oct 29, 2020 9:17 AM
#281
hazarddex said: except the manga is darker then the anime so not sure what you mean by objectively wrong. >_> Because it's not subjective (matter of opinion) it's a fact (objective) since the source is the light novel. As I stated the manga is A DIFFERENT adaptation of the original source. It doesn't matter if it's darker or lighter, that doesn't change the demographic it's targeted at the anime adaptation since it takes it from the Light Novel. The manga is labeled as shonen because it's distributed by a shonen publisher. the anime doesn't have that kind of label because it's based on the Light Novel that have no such labels like manga does. hazarddex said: most LN don't get a demographic rating in japan, but that doesn't make it a diffrent demographic because it's adapted into a diffrent source material. Exactly my point, Light novels don't have the same "labeling" in demographics as manga does, so there's no point in shoving manga demographics on Light Novel adaptations. Duh... Because the anime is based on the manga, as simple as that. The tone is inconsequential to the demographic is intended to in the anime adaptation. hazarddex said: you seem like you got triggered for some one pointing out that shoenn can be dark and edgy and still shonen. No. I'm triggered by your ignorance and false information barfing you're doing on a very subjective level. Shonen titles can be dark and edgy, and can also be light hearted and/or comedic. You seem like the typical misinformed guy that thinks that the tone is what places titles in it's demographic, but again you're objectively wrong. It all depends on the publisher that decides to distribute the author's works. For instance, Chihayafuru was published in a Josei publisher, but it's tone and content widely scream of what average shoujo works do. Opposite example Nana, it feels more mature and a Josei publisher kind of title, but it was a shoujo publisher that decided to serialize it. Vinland Saga started in a shonen publisher, but the author just couldn't handle weekly deliveries so he got an offer from a Seinen publisher and he took it. The rest of your verbal diarrhea isn't even worth reading or retorting since I already stated how manga publishers stablish their demographics and Light Novel Publishers don't even have a similar demographic labels. |
KimurahOct 29, 2020 9:27 AM
Oct 29, 2020 10:13 AM
#282
I really thought I would enjoy this anime but I just do not think I can get into it at all. Every episode has been a further decline. It's just random bubbles of suffering she witnesses at their climax and then leaves without it really effecting her, developing her character, or even making a difference on the plot of the series. Little pockets of suffering... rinse and repeat. I'm surprised that she can be so carefree about everything? I am not even saying that I want her to take action (it does make it very hard to understand her character when she is so inhumanely unfazed by it all, I don't really understand what she cares about other than food or soft beds) but I'd at least like to see her have some kind of continuity like "wow, this reminds me of my last adventure where everyone died" or something AT LEAST. I don't know. Wouldn't this weigh on her conscience regardless of if she had directly participated or not? We know that she has actually seen some of this with her own two eyes... On top of that, it's somewhat frustrating to be expected to care about one off characters that I know will make literally no impact on the rest of the series. We are never going to see them again, they will not be relevant because that's not the type of series this is. If the protagonist of our adventure does not care, it's hard for me to. This makes everything feel like a drawn out waste of time. I get that it's not and I don't blame anyone for getting something out of this series if you do. I just can't see it or understand it. I hope I am not the only one at least thinking this way. At least it was nice to look at? Dropped. |
Oct 29, 2020 11:20 AM
#283
AdolZeppeli said: mkzxwing said: She said she was cold, yes, which is why i asked - why not use magic, or, given it doesn't get cold IN A SECOND, you know, WEAR SOME CLOTHES? if she was hungry, since we're on that topic from before, WHY NOT CARRY SOME RATIONS? Or hunt something? As per tired, why not carry a sleeping bag? She could dig an absolutely GIANT hole in no time, there's no way she can't hunt some small game, find a cave or chop up a tree or two with magic, dig a hole, cover it with said trees, start a fire (and why make it out of ash? again, trees literally EVERYWHERE around there), cook, eat, rest. Is she not a traveler? Is she not a bright individual? She also arrived some time around evening, and said she'd reach the next town only around night, so it wasn't THAT far, thus making farigue and hunger not that big a problem, just leaving us to ask WHY NOT WEAR SOMETHING?! Or at least scavenge some clothes if you are already stupid enough to not carry any to begin with... Right, lemme just bring up my sleeping bag, my witch pot, and my hunting set real quick and I'll install myself to try to hunt out animals on a massive ash wasteland. Scavenge clothes? of burnt people? Okay, I guess burnt clothes are really comfy and warm LOL. What's next? rip off people's skin and wear it? Also on your previous statement she's not that strong, i object, the witch in ep1 was pretty damn kickass, and she beat her. Does that compare to what Mirarose was able to do in this episode? The forest witch is a baby in comparison to what was portrayed here, also, Elaina is not proficient on combat, have you seen her, besides episode 1, going into another confrontation? Remember Elaina did the witch exam just so she could have the witch thing and travel freely around the world, not to be the strongest witch and show off. It's like studying hard for that math exam, you do it, you pass, and then you forget everything after a while and you're happy that you went through that obstacle and got it done. immune to the curse? Yes. Can stand on the grove? Yes. Can stand LITERALLY RIGHT NEXT TO THE THING and talk with the victims? Sure. No, you either don't take it that far, or at least EXPLAIN this shit and what she's thinking. Again, the flower thing has been there for a while, the towns guards knows about it and prevents people from bringing flowers, yet, no one has asked for help, no one has dared to face it, no witch has faced it either. Hmmmm I wonder why, they're immune, right?, so why? HMMM HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, Ah yes, maybe because it's not that simple as just burning the thing, if that were the case, the thing wouldn't be there. At this point you're just bringing shit on Elaina just because she's not your typical generic super hero that saves the day. Like I've said to a bunch of people on this forum already, things are easier said than done, you can bloat as much as you want as how you're willing to help, but doing so it's a complete different matter. Look at the streets, lots of shit happens and the only thing people do is bring up their cellphone and record, they don't do anything else despite being able to intervene but they don't, why? because one thing is saying stuff, and the other one is taking action. "Massive ash wasteland"... Again where you not watching? There's a perfectly good forest right next to it, and nothing's preventing her to flying away from the smoke for a bit. As per clothes, again, what makes you think EVERYTHING burned down? You saw a teddy bear survive, why not some clothes? Also something i remembered, remember how her teacher made a whole house on a tree? Then made it poof with a single wave of her wand? Also did you just say 'hunting set'? Dude you saw her throwing fucking energy balls in ep1, why'd she need a hunting set? And why'd she need a pot? Just takes a knife to de-gut and cut the meat up, then put it on a fucking stick over a fire. It makes me thing that you both never been out, didn't watch the show and forgot they're FUCKING MAGICIANS, and generally think everything's far more complicated than it really is. You said the other witch only taught her what she needs to know to travel... Survival and sleeping outdoors is SURVIVAL 101! Again, this is fucking basic human knowledge that has been around for thousands of years, its harder to believe a WITCH would do worse than a simple traveler. And why you keep saying shit about superheroes? Expecting a witch to do witch things, use magic to solve problems is just what you'd expect from a show about magic, no? Instead we get her being more useless than normal humans in some regards (again, the whole camping thing which you seem to think is utterly unimaginable and impossibly hard) , fat layers of inconsistency, and no data on important bits because reason would ruin the moments that are supposed to be oh-so-deep and whatnot. What, do you think the witches in little witch academia where overpowered? Cuz last i remember the MC was completely fucking useless most the time, and NO ONE had a problem with that. How about the lead in neverland? No problems with them being weak. Heck there's TONS of weak characters everyone loves and has no issues with. The problem people have with THIS show is that it makes no sense consistency and logic wise, and NOTHING'S explained. Here, an example - someone goes to a supermarket. He's shown walking for a while, then come there, enter, look at the cashier, and then... Suddenly leave. No narration, no nothing. What are you supposed to understand from that? If he'd leave the groceries after shopping by the cash register and leave, it'd be self evident he forgot the wallet or something. But if he just came there, looked, and left, there could be a thousand reasons for that, and without anything said, that kind of scene just makes NO sense. Same when a person just watches a bunny get torn apart by wolves, then, visits an animal farm, stops the handler from hitting a cow, and then says 'i don't want to find out what happens to that cow' (ref to ep3, obviously). Its fucking inconsistent, and makes NO sense. |
Oct 29, 2020 12:04 PM
#284
@mkzxwing Dear god, I should have followed the advice someone gave me in this forum and not bother, this is going nowhere, I'm basically talking to a wall, that's what I get for bothering with MAL peasants. Guess you can't explain stuff to someone not willing to take valid counters and proceed to complain about other stupid unrelated shit. Also did you just say 'hunting set'? It seems my sarcasm was too much for you to handle. You know what? Drop the show for what all I care, it's more than clear that this show is making some people attempt using the brain they shut off a long while ago. |
"We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
Oct 29, 2020 1:28 PM
#285
AdolZeppeli said: @mkzxwing Dear god, I should have followed the advice someone gave me in this forum and not bother, this is going nowhere, I'm basically talking to a wall, that's what I get for bothering with MAL peasants. Guess you can't explain stuff to someone not willing to take valid counters and proceed to complain about other stupid unrelated shit. Also did you just say 'hunting set'? It seems my sarcasm was too much for you to handle. You know what? Drop the show for what all I care, it's more than clear that this show is making some people attempt using the brain they shut off a long while ago. Brain? You seriously trying to tell me there's anything to this show that requires thinking? Also you're rating the validity of your own counters, and if they count as such? All while straw-manning the fuck out of me and everyone here as retarded SAO fans who want nothing but indestructible superheros that save the day? Jeez, yeah, I'll just step away and leave you in your '4 deep 2 me' puddle of goo, sorry i interrupted splishy-splosh time. |
Oct 29, 2020 7:51 PM
#286
the plot of the story so far is very good |
Oct 30, 2020 12:23 AM
#287
mkzxwing said: "Massive ash wasteland"... Again where you not watching? There's a perfectly good forest right next to it, and nothing's preventing her to flying away from the smoke for a bit. A forest doesn't compare to a well insulated building though. The forest is extremely cold. mkzxwing said: As per clothes, again, what makes you think EVERYTHING burned down? You saw a teddy bear survive, why not some clothes? There are a few possibilities here, including but not limited to:
I don't believe it was indicated where the teddy bears came from. mkzxwing said: Also something i remembered, remember how her teacher made a whole house on a tree? Then made it poof with a single wave of her wand? It may be because Fran can conjure up things she already owns elsewhere, as an example. There is no indication that Elaina can perform this. mkzxwing said: Also did you just say 'hunting set'? Dude you saw her throwing fucking energy balls in ep1, why'd she need a hunting set? And why'd she need a pot? Just takes a knife to de-gut and cut the meat up, then put it on a fucking stick over a fire. It makes me thing that you both never been out, didn't watch the show and forgot they're FUCKING MAGICIANS, and generally think everything's far more complicated than it really is. She was trying to find a place to stay warm, and then head to the next town ASAP as hinted in the episode. mkzxwing said: You said the other witch only taught her what she needs to know to travel... Survival and sleeping outdoors is SURVIVAL 101! Again, this is fucking basic human knowledge that has been around for thousands of years, its harder to believe a WITCH would do worse than a simple traveler. Elaina's goal was to be an official witch, and in order to do that she has to be recognized by another witch (Fran). mkzxwing said: And why you keep saying shit about superheroes? Expecting a witch to do witch things, use magic to solve problems is just what you'd expect from a show about magic, no? Instead we get her being more useless than normal humans in some regards (again, the whole camping thing which you seem to think is utterly unimaginable and impossibly hard) , fat layers of inconsistency, and no data on important bits because reason would ruin the moments that are supposed to be oh-so-deep and whatnot. There are things that she may not be able to solve easily, such as the flower garden. The Nino case appeared to be a sticky situation. For the forest, it is clear that a well insulated building beats the forest any day of the week. mkzxwing said: The problem people have with THIS show is that it makes no sense consistency and logic wise, and NOTHING'S explained. The vast majority of people who have a problem with this show have a problem because she didn't help with the flower garden situation nor the Nino situation. Most people who hate this show hate it because Elaina has a terrible, "sociopathic" personality according to them. mkzxwing said: Here, an example - someone goes to a supermarket. He's shown walking for a while, then come there, enter, look at the cashier, and then... Suddenly leave. No narration, no nothing. What are you supposed to understand from that? If he'd leave the groceries after shopping by the cash register and leave, it'd be self evident he forgot the wallet or something. But if he just came there, looked, and left, there could be a thousand reasons for that, and without anything said, that kind of scene just makes NO sense. That's a false equivalence. Usually there's nothing interesting going on in the supermarket. A guy watching a parade downtown and then leaving is more accurate. mkzxwing said: Same when a person just watches a bunny get torn apart by wolves, then, visits an animal farm, stops the handler from hitting a cow, and then says 'i don't want to find out what happens to that cow' (ref to ep3, obviously). Its fucking inconsistent, and makes NO sense. That's a false equivalence. If you interacted only with the farmer, then presumably you'd get into a fight. However if you visited the farmer's family, or having others around, you'll less likely take drastic action. |
Oct 30, 2020 4:31 AM
#288
Bruh. This show just keeps getting progressively more twisted. I was expecting a SoL kind of peaceful journey through an interesting fantasy world, but this shit is something else. The more i watch the more i start getting feels that Made in Abyss gave. Suffice to say i would not want to live in that world. Not being a witch you're essentially fodder even to bloody plants, and mincemeat should a witch dislike you. If anything this state of world only makes sense if witches are a fairly recent phenomenon, because with this much of a capability gap between normal folk and them, witches should be the world rulers, not any other kind of system. This is also showing to be very different from most anime, where it's actually pushing a message of strict unbias/passiveness, not to project belief systems and immature moral self-righteousness, but rather to observe and learn. |
GenesisAriaOct 30, 2020 4:45 AM
Oct 30, 2020 5:11 AM
#289
This story would make a great story as well as an ideal area in a soulsborne game. Well unlike last week this was more enjoyable. However Elaine still rubs me off in the wrong way, she is practically a sociopath. She seems like the type who shows no sympthy for others, i mean she knew the queen was insane and felt it was time to leave but she is lacking a certain amount of sympahty or emotional reaction, she needs to develop some kind of emotional connection cause sooner or later she might also fall into a dark path at least that is how i see her characther going if this keeps up. |
Oct 30, 2020 10:12 AM
#290
I love how this stuff is so magical and yet haunting in such a nonchalant way it leaves me amazed and bedazzled! |
Oct 30, 2020 5:19 PM
#291
i just wonder why mirarose couldn't do anything before the guy and the child were killed when she had such a magic power |
Oct 30, 2020 8:54 PM
#292
Man the food in this show looks amazing. When mirarose wore white and went insane talking to her “child” and “lover,” that was pretty disturbing. It’s cool seeing how elaina interacts in these situations, not what I expected |
Nov 2, 2020 11:50 AM
#293
I'm surprised by seeing so many people call the animation great. I liked the episode, after having mixed feelings about episode 3, but the animation was pretty average for fight scenes. |
Nov 2, 2020 1:33 PM
#294
Nov 4, 2020 2:47 AM
#295
THIS EPISODE IS JUST _______________________________________________________- Listen up, this anime started of with a light flight but now this is just so dark. 2 dark episodes back to back and this is quite surprising. I mean the ending was sad to be honest. I did not expect the ending and that Javelier guy to be the king... I was expecting that amnesia witch to be the villain or something like that. I want to see how this anime ends. |
Nov 7, 2020 11:15 AM
#299
When it comes to genocide, Elaina is ALWAYS involved |
Nov 8, 2020 12:33 AM
#300
Beautiful destroyed cityscape. Mirarose princess super sus just from the letter to herself. Quite an interesting setup, her whole revenge plan & that surprise cursed "I am your father" moment lol. Tho Elaina only dug a ditch, a real good witch fight. And that top tier food animation man. |
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