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sanata50lbsb said: OneTrueBaita said: It's Fai, he's here to force broadcast his opinion, and Alaya help you if you go against his headcanon. Glad you loved it as much as I did, I was just dumbfounded the first time I watched the episode. VN remixes, ufo graphics, swordspam galore... :3 THIS Don't worry about arguing with him though. He tends to put people like us on his Blocked Members list, so he can't see the threads or posts we make. We (probably) won't interact much with him from now on, save for helping newbies get some actual useful information come HF. |
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| I was thinking only one thing after the episode ended: How the fuck did Archer survived? OH YEA OF COURSE, WE NEED HIM TO MOVE ON THE PLOT AND END EVERYTHING HAPPY. Nice plot hole. 2/5 |
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| Well, this has been a fun ride. Dunno what fans really think about looking ad review of this anime, but as a casual anime watcher this is a 10 for me. It certainly has everything I need for it to be 10. |
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Dimitrije1606 said: Well, this has been a fun ride. Dunno what fans really think about looking ad review of this anime, but as a casual anime watcher this is a 10 for me. It certainly has everything I need for it to be 10. 1)Disappointed Fate/zero fans 2) Disappointed Visual novel fans if you see any haters of this show its because of one of this reasons |
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royaldocks said: Dimitrije1606 said: Well, this has been a fun ride. Dunno what fans really think about looking ad review of this anime, but as a casual anime watcher this is a 10 for me. It certainly has everything I need for it to be 10. 1)Disappointed Fate/zero fans 2) Disappointed Visual novel fans if you see any haters of this show its because of one of this reasons Pretty much on the money there. |
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BaitOfJustice said: ^ OMG, man, you are alive :') royaldocks is alive, yorokobe shounen :D |
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Dimitrije1606 said: Well, this has been a fun ride. Dunno what fans really think about looking ad review of this anime, but as a casual anime watcher this is a 10 for me. It certainly has everything I need for it to be 10. People dislike it because it could be so much more yet it ends up being a generic shounen. And characters are not done justice. And a huge part of it is incomprehensible due to lack of information. And while the show is nicely animated(most of time) the actual FIGHTING lacks any sort of choreography and is VERY uninspired shonen-like stuff. Also please - only a really few shows ever released are worthy of a 10. This is not one of them. |
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| I watched the final fight in English, and it really hammers in how awkward the dialogue is. The whole thing could do with a scenario rewrite, at least, dialogue wise. was still pretty awesome as a conclusion though. Remixes are cool, and so was the animation; mostly at least. |
EmphaticPikachuJan 23, 2016 5:08 PM
EmphaticPikachu said: maybe, from an adaptation stance........this was one of those things where they just took narration and tried ot turn it into dialogue I watched the final fight in English, and it really hammers in how awkward the dialogue is. The whole thing could do with a scenario rewrite, at least, dialogue wise. was still pretty awesome as a conclusion though. Remixes are cool, and so was the animation; mostly at least. i enjoyed the fight but the way they handled it made it look like shirou just turned into ichigo... |
EmphaticPikachu said: I watched the final fight in English, and it really hammers in how awkward the dialogue is. The whole thing could do with a scenario rewrite, at least, dialogue wise. was still pretty awesome as a conclusion though. Remixes are cool, and so was the animation; mostly at least. That's what happens when instead of actually adapting the narrative and showing characters thoughts you try to alter everything into characters blurting shit outloud. In a way this IS a "rewrite". The directors and writers felt they could and should make it "cooler" and "flashier". A huge part of this route is in main character's head, which they did not bother adapting The fight was awful even if pretty, agree with Maloghurst on that(if we ignore that it should NOT have looked like that or happened in that way because its stupid). They made it look like it was all about power when in reality it should have been about tactics |
AhenshihaelJan 24, 2016 4:45 AM
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| 1. Gil didn't allow anything, really. UBW gets the ubber hand over GoB by quantity over quality. Evey thing UBW produces is a rank lower than the GoB's counterpart. but the sheer numbers being thrown at Gil are just overwhelming. You can't keep the distance from your opponent when your projectiles get literally destroyed before they can even fire. 2. No matter how good the projection gets, it'll never be the exact same as the original, UBW or not. It's the nature of projection. Projections will always be a rank lower, as long as they aren't Broken Phantasms, and are sure to break when pitted against their original. |
SwiftKilla said: Fai said: That's what happens when instead of actually adapting the narrative and showing characters thoughts you try to alter everything into characters blurting shit outloud. In a way this IS a "rewrite". The directors and writers felt they could and should make it "cooler" and "flashier". A huge part of this route is in main character's head, which they did not bother adapting The fight was awful even if pretty, agree with Maloghurst on that(if we ignore that it should NOT have looked like that or happened in that way because its stupid). They made it look like it was all about power when in reality it should have been about tactics I have to question the logic of the VN (shitstorm incoming). 1. Why did Gil allow Shirou to close the gap to him? Would he not have shot phantasms at him? That's the nature of his fighting style yea? Atleast, what we've seen 2. I understand Shirou's projections are 1 rank below the original, but in UBW aren't his swords at their peak of their durability because Shirou doesn't have to go through the process of tracing a weapon to the real world (since all his weapons are stored in UBW which they're in now.) but even so I find it hard to believe Shirou's weapons would break in 1 swing clashing against the original. Well, atleast that's how i pictured the fight in the VN. Shirou swinging his swords, breaks in 1 swing, pick another, rinse and repeat. They did not start that far away from each other. The moment UBW was cast, while GIl was still going WTF, SHirou already closed the gap - because he knew, letting Gil go range or retaliate would be death for him. Shirou did not have to just "clash" the weapons - he had to do it strong enough to BREAK Gil's ones before he can attack. And Shirou's weapons are not even real. They are illusions. IT is only normal that they would break against real thing, especially if he wants to break the real thing. As for how the fight went: Basically one fight was going on above and around them - GOB and UBW swords constantly clashing at each other canceling each other out. The other was between them with Shirou breaking every weapon Gil summons the moment he summons, not allowing Gil to push back or even normally lock in melee(because even if GIl is just an owner he still would own Shirou in fair melee) In UBW you do not need to "project" or "grab". Its a space where everything is swords. So for Shirou the weapons would appear in his hand with speed of thought. |
AhenshihaelJan 25, 2016 7:30 AM
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Its one of three equally canon versions of the war. Being a fan of the original Fate/stay night , this version really made me mad, Saber is so important and she belongs with emya, In fate route. In UBW Shirou has no reason to give a shit about her romantically. Even In fate it was more of a connection via idealism than actual love. There was barely any reference to Saber's scabbard which is one of the keys to all her power, they didn't show us Caliburn the sword of assured victory !!! Not her route. Again. She is not the protagonist. Shirou is. Saber matters to UBW and HF as much as Sakura does to Fate. She is just one of three heroines. ]I really though they would get it right this time and make the ending as it should be: emya and saber together forever as lovers !!! Ughhh i feel all the open wounds of the original one, that's why they should not remake these things... Errr...you somehow missed Shirou actually having romantic feelings for Rin for 20 episodes or what? ps: I've seen all the Fate derivatives and alternate stories so don't talk to me if this is your first experience in this universe... There's no alternate stories. Everything is equally canon. yeah i did, there's nothing to get...why would you want it to end differently? The last time it left the audience in a bittersweet state , i was thinking this time : better graphs, better rendition of the story and better ending. obviously people are allowed to like the versions they want, but being a hardcore fan of this specific series i really wanted the saber/shirou ending Oh I don't know maybe because this is clearly named UNLIMITED BLADE WORKS. which is not Fate route. And does not focus on Saber. Also if you think Shirou/Saber is somehow "fated" then I doubt you actually are as much of a "hardcore" fan as you claim to be. |
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Player_Name said: he's complaining that Fate/stay night is being Fate/stay night and not pandering to him. He doesn't like that ET went home at the end of the story wants a new ending with saber staying.steinsedge said: yeah i did, there's nothing to get...why would you want it to end differently? The last time it left the audience in a bittersweet state , i was thinking this time : better graphs, better rendition of the story and better ending. obviously people are allowed to like the versions they want, but being a hardcore fan of this specific series i really wanted the saber/shirou ending Uhhhh..... this is Fate/Stay night: ULIMITED BLADE WORKS(2014/15) not Fate/Stay nigh there's a difference and this is the second route of the game I don't really know what you are complaining about |
Player_Name said: hence pandering.Maloghurst said: but that never happens even in the VNhe's complaining that Fate/stay night is being Fate/stay night and not pandering to him. He doesn't like that ET went home at the end of the story wants a new ending with saber staying. |
steinsedge said: F-No F-No F-No This is not the real story !!!! Being a fan of the original Fate/stay night , this version really made me mad, Saber is so important and she belongs with emya, There was barely any reference to Saber's scabbard which is one of the keys to all her power, they didn't show us Caliburn the sword of assured victory !!! I really though they would get it right this time and make the ending as it should be: emya and saber together forever as lovers !!! Ughhh i feel all the open wounds of the original one, that's why they should not remake these things... ps: I've seen all the Fate derivatives and alternate stories so don't talk to me if this is your first experience in this universe...  Got a good chuckle out of this post. Well... |
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| Shirou defeating Gil... what a joke... but oh well, that had to happen because of yes. What can I say? I like his character. I know I'm not the only one with this opinion son I'm ok =) I do agree that Shirou's wish is not stupid just because he inherited it from Kiritsugu. Saying that's stupid it's what I find stupid, but... ok xD Seeing Archer showing off again was cool tho :) And his goodbye scene with Rin was warm too. I did notice that these episodes of the destruction of the grail seemed rushed. Did anybody else get that feeling? Like there was not enough climax or developing... Don't get me wrong, the fights were beautiful but I guess something was missing. Oh well. Maybe I missed a Gilgamesh vs Saber more than just Saber holding off due a command seal (which makes sense in the context) Going back to Gil... oh god... I could see the moment Gil lost: when he hesitated to grab Ea... that split second... One episode more and then Sunny Day. Jajaja Me too. I do agree with the chuckle =D |
HumbertoZeroApr 19, 2016 4:36 PM
HDarkmantis said: this final battle seems a bit funky. i know adaptations are bound to change things but you know, it's just funky with the changes they made. like turning the narration into dialog against gil and turning shirou into ichigo, looks pretty for the anime and they gotta get the narration out there somehow...idk....Shirou defeating Gil... what a joke... but oh well, that had to happen because of yes. What can I say? I like his character. I know I'm not the only one with this opinion son I'm ok =) I do agree that Shirou's wish is not stupid just because he inherited it from Kiritsugu. Saying that's stupid it's what I find stupid, but... ok xD Seeing Archer showing off again was cool tho :) And his goodbye scene with Rin was warm too. I did notice that these episodes of the destruction of the grail seemed rushed. Did anybody else get that feeling? Like there was not enough climax or developing... Don't get me wrong, the fights were beautiful but I guess something was missing. Oh well. Maybe I missed a Gilgamesh vs Saber more than just Saber holding off due a command seal (which makes sense in the context) Going back to Gil... oh god... I could see the moment Gil lost: when he hesitated to grab Ea... that split second... One episode more and then Sunny Day. Jajaja Me too. I do agree with the chuckle =D your not the only one with this feeling. though the thing is that the entire second half was pretty rushed. the betrayal scene for example very much could have taken up 2 episodes. the adaptation as a whole feels a bit hollow fanservice after a while and it hurts. at least they took their time with archer vs shirou? seeing how Archer is the main antagonist of UBW and it is the big fight of the storyline. |
HDarkmantis said: Shirou defeating Gil... what a joke... but oh well, that had to happen because of yes. What can I say? I like his character. I know I'm not the only one with this opinion son I'm ok Again: "They did not start that far away from each other. The moment UBW was cast, while GIl was still going WTF, SHirou already closed the gap - because he knew, letting Gil go range or retaliate would be death for him. Shirou did not have to just "clash" the weapons - he had to do it strong enough to BREAK Gil's ones before he can attack. And Shirou's weapons are not even real. They are illusions. IT is only normal that they would break against real thing, especially if he wants to break the real thing. As for how the fight went: Basically one fight was going on above and around them - GOB and UBW swords constantly clashing at each other canceling each other out. The other was between them with Shirou breaking every weapon Gil summons the moment he summons, not allowing Gil to push back or even normally lock in melee(because even if GIl is just an owner he still would own Shirou in fair melee) In UBW you do not need to "project" or "grab". Its a space where everything is swords. So for Shirou the weapons would appear in his hand with speed of thought. So Shirou could destroy Gil's swords before Gil can actually attack" THat's how it went before ufotable decided to "make it cooler". I do agree that Shirou's wish is not stupid just because he inherited it from Kiritsugu. Saying that's stupid it's what I find stupid, but... ok xD Shirou's wish is not exactly inherited form Kiritsugu. They have extremely different definition of it. What is essentially stupid or dangerous is that Shirou is living by a goal he attributes to someone else - he has no goal of his own, just a something he wants to accomplish as reason for continued living. To replicate the smile Kiritsugu showed him when he saved him is the sole reason of Shirou continuing to live. Alas he kind of moved on from trying to do that and is content with the actual ideal by now in ubw. Going back to Gil... oh god... I could see the moment Gil lost: when he hesitated to grab Ea... that split second... Fun fact: that's anime original moment. The anime actually altered the end of the fight to make it seem like Shirou got asspull saved by the grail there - all the content after they come out of ubw is anime original nonsense. Even if he was to grab EA in an instant at that point(like in VN), Shirou would still slash off his arm with ease because he can get a weapon out faster than Gil can even start using his. Gil lost the moment UBW was cast. |
AhenshihaelApr 19, 2016 11:09 PM
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SwiftKilla said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Gils reaction was more accurate in the anime than in the VN. I guess it comes from the fact that Gil was from a time where sorceries/reality marbles/miracles in modern sense were very common, so I was slightly confused about his reaction. Now I read the Shirou vs Gil fight VN version on youtube, I didn't read the VN, I just played that portion of UBW. Also, even if the projections appear at the speed of thought, I doubt his body can react nor slash at Gil at the speed of thought. Shouldn't Shirou's motions appear very slow in the eyes of a servant with stats like Gil? No. Gil completely lost his cool and lost his shit in that fight. The way anime portrays it is way too dignified and makes Shirou look like an overpowered idiot and diminishes the outcome of the fight having Gil stand there like nothing(they did the same with Answer fight, Miura just can't let Shirou get a clean win). "Reality marbles/sorceries/etc" were not common. The magic in age of gods was DIFFERENT. It was not "True magic" or "magecraft". ANd even if RMs were to be common, each RM is unique and is reflection of user's inner world. And Shirou's psychological state and mind is quite rare. You would rarely find a person who has no self and yet develops an RM. Especially an RM that comes from changed origin and avalon's influences to his body. His body can keep up with the weapon because that's exactly how projections work - he inherits stats needed to wield the said weapon. But its still a fake and he should not be able to match a servant in fight, let alone parry or deflect attacks(the fact taht he receives GOB attacks is already nonsense since GOB should be too busy launching swords at UBW launched swords). Even if he knew how to wield the sword and had stats for it, Gil is still original, he is still a real hero. And Shirou can't match up to that with improvised stats. He can match up to a staggering blubbering idiot who is getting blown back a bit with each blow, though, hence why he took this tactic upon himself after the fights he saw of Gil. |
AhenshihaelApr 20, 2016 3:31 AM
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SwiftKilla said: Fai said: No. Gil completely lost his cool and lost his shit in that fight. The way anime portrays it is way too dignified and makes Shirou look like an overpowered idiot and diminishes the outcome of the fight having Gil stand there like nothing(they did the same with Answer fight, Miura just can't let Shirou get a clean win). "Reality marbles/sorceries/etc" were not common. The magic in age of gods was DIFFERENT. It was not "True magic" or "magecraft". ANd even if RMs were to be common, each RM is unique and is reflection of user's inner world. And Shirou's psychological state and mind is quite rare. You would rarely find a person who has no self and yet develops an RM. Especially an RM that comes from changed origin and avalon's influences to his body. His body can keep up with the weapon because that's exactly how projections work - he inherits stats needed to wield the said weapon. But its still a fake and he should not be able to match a servant in fight, let alone parry or deflect attacks(the fact taht he receives GOB attacks is already nonsense since GOB should be too busy launching swords at UBW launched swords). Even if he knew how to wield the sword and had stats for it, Gil is still original, he is still a real hero. And Shirou can't match up to that with improvised stats. He can match up to a staggering blubbering idiot who is getting blown back a bit with each blow, though, hence why he took this tactic upon himself after the fights he saw of Gil. That's kinda my question, why would he lose his shit over a reality marble when magecraft of that level was common af during his time? Edit: Nvm read your edit. He lost his shit over this random dude who has nothing but imitations being in process of beating him, let alone having a reality marble. Its the biggest insult for him, as he has openly shown distaste for faker kind of magic(creating imitations of real things) and has always been about collecting unique treasures. Shirou as an existence is the total opposite of Gilgamesh - while Gilgamesh is all about his ego, Shirou literally has no sense of self and is unable to see "himself". One had everything in the world, the other is literally empty. His very existence is something Gil is incapable of tolerating. The UBW itself is not that special beyond being perfect counter to GOB, its what Shirou is doing that pisses Gilgamesh off to the point of mad rage. |
AhenshihaelApr 20, 2016 3:54 AM
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| Archer comes back and saves the day, never thought I'd see Gilgamesh die but he had it coming |
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| Shirou defeated Gilgamesh? Its ridiculous! Gilgamesh was the strongest character so far And Shirou defeated him?. It would have been better if Saber defeated him. Unfortunately Saber did not get big role here. |
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Namratanikki said: Shirou defeated Gilgamesh? Its ridiculous! Gilgamesh was the strongest character so far And Shirou defeated him?. It would have been better if Saber defeated him. Unfortunately Saber did not get big role here. Not her story, her story is in Fate. |
SaintEmiya said: Namratanikki said: Shirou defeated Gilgamesh? Its ridiculous! Gilgamesh was the strongest character so far And Shirou defeated him?. It would have been better if Saber defeated him. Unfortunately Saber did not get big role here. Not her story, her story is in Fate. Aha I see. So her story is in fate |
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| yea, Team yuetsu plays the role of main villains of the Fate route. if you wanna get technical Saber vs gil is the first climactic battle of the fate franchise were as Archer is the big antagonist of UBW |
| Roll credits episode....again. EX....CALIBUR!!! Awesome fight. Oh, Gil. NO! DONT GO MY WAIFU! |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| Question here. When shirou learn rho aias? :/ |
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Basically, Shirou syphoned all of Archer's knowledge, including every blueprint stored inside UBW, and that, of course, includes Rho Aias. It was forshadowed by showing Shirou's dreams of UBW in the first season and again in episode 6 of season 2: Then it was explicitly shown and explained in episode 8: Then mentioned again by Saber in episode 9: |
The anime did not bother actually explaining,well, anything at all, but Shirou basically saw it within Archer's experiences/memories he leeched off. Its not something you learn since its an actual "shield". Its the legendary shield wielded by greek hero Ajax, the hero who was never wounded. And since its a weapon, Shirou can copy it, albeit at different cost than bladed weapons(since Shirou's magical origin is a Sword, he has way easier time copying anything with a blade, and at a reduced cost than normal). At this point in time Shirou already has a sizeable amount of Gilgamesh's own weapons (having copied all the weapons he saw him use against Berserker(which is how Shirou is able to deduce Gil's identity, since he recognized every weapon he read in that fight and there's only one hero who would have them all) and all the weapons he throws at him in this fight) as well as whatever leaked from Archer's memories that he experienced, since anything Shirou saw he can copy as long as its not a divine construct(stuff made with help of gods or divine beings) Alas anime did absolutely no effort in explaining how Shirou's powers work nor showing his progress. Which kind of ends up with making Shirou pull out all the random stuff literally out of his ass when convenient. astro pls. That barely counts as a hint, if even that. i'd give you the middle sequence(which still is never explained) but the first is incomprehensible flash and the last one is some chuuni nonsense without context Also technically within VN he did not need to leech it from memories - . Of course memory leeching would still help with that. |
AhenshihaelMay 30, 2016 5:45 PM
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Fai said: astro pls. That barely counts as a hint, if even that. i'd give you the middle sequence(which still is never explained) but the first is incomprehensible flash and the last one is some chuuni nonsense without context Also technically within VN he did not need to leech it from memories - . Of course memory leeching would still help with that. Well, without any of Shirou's inner monologues, AKA the artificial handicap they caused for themselves, that was the best they could do with 'show don't tell', even if they DID tell a bit. It can carry the message across well, if the viewer is invested enough to pay extra attention. The show earning that type of attention, however, is another matter entirely. |
astroprogs said: Basically, Shirou syphoned all of Archer's knowledge, including every blueprint stored inside UBW, and that, of course, includes Rho Aias. It was forshadowed by showing Shirou's dreams of UBW in the first season and again in episode 6 of season 2: Then it was explicitly shown and explained in episode 8: Then mentioned again by Saber in episode 9: Thank you :D now i understand well, when i was watching im just enjoying the fight, not the dialogue |
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Fai said: The anime did not bother actually explaining,well, anything at all, but Shirou basically saw it within Archer's experiences/memories he leeched off. Its not something you learn since its an actual "shield". Its the legendary shield wielded by greek hero Ajax, the hero who was never wounded. And since its a weapon, Shirou can copy it, albeit at different cost than bladed weapons(since Shirou's magical origin is a Sword, he has way easier time copying anything with a blade, and at a reduced cost than normal). At this point in time Shirou already has a sizeable amount of Gilgamesh's own weapons (having copied all the weapons he saw him use against Berserker(which is how Shirou is able to deduce Gil's identity, since he recognized every weapon he read in that fight and there's only one hero who would have them all) and all the weapons he throws at him in this fight) as well as whatever leaked from Archer's memories that he experienced, since anything Shirou saw he can copy as long as its not a divine construct(stuff made with help of gods or divine beings) Alas anime did absolutely no effort in explaining how Shirou's powers work nor showing his progress. Which kind of ends up with making Shirou pull out all the random stuff literally out of his ass when convenient. thanks for your explaination :D i thought rho aias is simply a magic. that's why i was confused when shirou used it. |
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royaldocks said: Dimitrije1606 said: Well, this has been a fun ride. Dunno what fans really think about looking ad review of this anime, but as a casual anime watcher this is a 10 for me. It certainly has everything I need for it to be 10. 1)Disappointed Fate/zero fans 2) Disappointed Visual novel fans if you see any haters of this show its because of one of this reasons Sadly enough this is true. As great as the Fate franchise (and Nasuverse in general) is, the is fanbase is one of the most petty group of haters I've ever seen. Nothing will ever be good enough for them. |
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CC9ers said: royaldocks said: 1)Disappointed Fate/zero fans 2) Disappointed Visual novel fans if you see any haters of this show its because of one of this reasons Sadly enough this is true. As great as the Fate franchise (and Nasuverse in general) is, the is fanbase is one of the most petty group of haters I've ever seen. Nothing will ever be good enough for them. Even though that exact fanbase recognizes the Fate/Zero anime adaptation to be a near perfect adaptation and an oustanding show overall? Please, let's not generalize. People having differing opinions and valid criticism for ufoUBW doesn't make them "petty" or "haters". |
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