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Mar 11, 2018 12:35 PM
#151
HalAnime said: alphaAngel said: Daniel_Naumov said: HalAnime said: alphaAngel said: alphaAngel said: Daniel_Naumov said: Curse- said: Unoriginal in every facet, trope-filled, predictable Means they did proper work on symbolism and with caution proceeded as they were creating true art. It is good you understand those parallels and those story shaping elements, it means you are experienced. Too bad you are uncultured enough to be unable to acknowledge a virtue when you fathom one. Meaningless, everexpanding thirst for "surprises" is some sort of mental illness or something this age, why so many get affected... Bewildering. alphaAngel said: I liked the anime quite a lot, but the whole Koku x Useless puppet girl story just seemed pretty out of place and kinda... pointless? Like, it seemed slightly related to the other story in the beginning, but they split it too much and it just became two independent stories, and to be honest, that one was pissing me off. The animation was beautiful, and I liked Koku's character in the beginning, but then it turned out to be a major disappointment. And the pink-haired girl was just completely useless. Honestly. Why do pathetic sidekicks like her even get created nowadays. She could of been so much more. She seemed capable and strong, but in the end, all she ever did was cry and act like a puppet. That disappointed me the most. I would of given this anime a solid 10 if it had not been for that weak character, and how their story was so disconnected to the other one in the end. I am sorry but this is an attack on the setting where you completely fail to understand what the setting is. Forget the philosophy questions, you are obviously beyond them as of your mental development, currently. Yuna's and Koku's story is that of love. If you do not understand this, or for some reason felt angry of them because they were able to feel one, then I can only express my condolences. No need to further the wound. It was rushed and messy. If we had gotten some sort of mental connection to the characters prior, it would of been a nice story, but we didn't. It just instantly started with him looking for her like a hopeless puppy looking for its mother. "Where's Yuna??" "Where is Yuna?!" "Where is she??!!" Just shut up already. Love? Pretty pathetic display, if you ask me. You're just salty someone didn't enjoy that messy display of "love" as much as you did. Yuna was pathetic throughout the entire show, and she is the one I'm bashing. Koku was fine, for the most part. I'm complaining about Yuna's character concept and how useless she was, even though she was so capable. You're the one who fails to see how poorly portrayed and disconnected it was to the other story, and how rushed their ending was. You're probably the kind of person who finds any cheesy, shitty love-story enjoyable because you lack that in your own life. Sucks to be you, not being able to distinguish quality love stories from poorly written ones. :) Yuna and Koku's story just became like a short break from the intense, main story. Like a commercial break. I fully agree, Yuna and Koku's story was set as polar opposite to the murder mystery between Keith and the doctor. Though I did wish Yuna fought back or plotted something to meet Koku instead of being just a damsel in distress after regaining her memories. Well, good thing decent creators do not cater to "dominating female character" fantasies most viewers seem to posses this age, I guess. Decent creators? You mean pitiful creators. The anime world needs more strong. tough female characters. There's already an overflowing market filled with pathetic, overused weak female girls who can't do anything for themselves and need to be rescued. You're living in 2018, buddy. Ain't nobody got time for that weak, damsel in distress shit. Give me a quality female character I can support and root for. I think for this, Lily was expected to be the carry which I sort of think she is for being such a headstrong female lead. There seems to be a lot more weak Male MCs in anime or atleast start out weak then grow compared to having weak female leads. I mean we got Ghost in the Shell portraying strong female leads really early on in anime history. I haven't seen that anime, unfortunately. Maybe I just choose the wrong animes to depend on for a strong female lead, or maybe I just haven't found an anime with one yet. Are there any animes that have a perfect, overpowered female lead without/almost no flaws? Cause there are a lot of male leads that are designed that way. |
Mar 11, 2018 1:12 PM
#152
Like some noticed already, they mixed a pretty good seinen story with a shounen story and the shounen part was ... well, shit ? or just badly done (except the animation). Two style of story telling in one show ? Dumb MC yelling "Yuna" all the time, almost dead, but of course not. Some over the top shounen vilains dialogues (the girl/boy with the skateboard) and a useless girl. They tried to cater two audiences ... that could have worked but they failed somehow. The show could have easily been a 9 without the too noisy part for the teenagers. Character design : very good. Lily, Kaela are great and all the investigation/adult crew actually. Not a complete waste of time but yeah, wasted potential somehow. Too bad :( |
Mar 11, 2018 2:29 PM
#153
HalAnime said: alphaAngel said: Daniel_Naumov said: HalAnime said: alphaAngel said: alphaAngel said: Daniel_Naumov said: Curse- said: Unoriginal in every facet, trope-filled, predictable Means they did proper work on symbolism and with caution proceeded as they were creating true art. It is good you understand those parallels and those story shaping elements, it means you are experienced. Too bad you are uncultured enough to be unable to acknowledge a virtue when you fathom one. Meaningless, everexpanding thirst for "surprises" is some sort of mental illness or something this age, why so many get affected... Bewildering. alphaAngel said: I liked the anime quite a lot, but the whole Koku x Useless puppet girl story just seemed pretty out of place and kinda... pointless? Like, it seemed slightly related to the other story in the beginning, but they split it too much and it just became two independent stories, and to be honest, that one was pissing me off. The animation was beautiful, and I liked Koku's character in the beginning, but then it turned out to be a major disappointment. And the pink-haired girl was just completely useless. Honestly. Why do pathetic sidekicks like her even get created nowadays. She could of been so much more. She seemed capable and strong, but in the end, all she ever did was cry and act like a puppet. That disappointed me the most. I would of given this anime a solid 10 if it had not been for that weak character, and how their story was so disconnected to the other one in the end. I am sorry but this is an attack on the setting where you completely fail to understand what the setting is. Forget the philosophy questions, you are obviously beyond them as of your mental development, currently. Yuna's and Koku's story is that of love. If you do not understand this, or for some reason felt angry of them because they were able to feel one, then I can only express my condolences. No need to further the wound. It was rushed and messy. If we had gotten some sort of mental connection to the characters prior, it would of been a nice story, but we didn't. It just instantly started with him looking for her like a hopeless puppy looking for its mother. "Where's Yuna??" "Where is Yuna?!" "Where is she??!!" Just shut up already. Love? Pretty pathetic display, if you ask me. You're just salty someone didn't enjoy that messy display of "love" as much as you did. Yuna was pathetic throughout the entire show, and she is the one I'm bashing. Koku was fine, for the most part. I'm complaining about Yuna's character concept and how useless she was, even though she was so capable. You're the one who fails to see how poorly portrayed and disconnected it was to the other story, and how rushed their ending was. You're probably the kind of person who finds any cheesy, shitty love-story enjoyable because you lack that in your own life. Sucks to be you, not being able to distinguish quality love stories from poorly written ones. :) Yuna and Koku's story just became like a short break from the intense, main story. Like a commercial break. I fully agree, Yuna and Koku's story was set as polar opposite to the murder mystery between Keith and the doctor. Though I did wish Yuna fought back or plotted something to meet Koku instead of being just a damsel in distress after regaining her memories. Well, good thing decent creators do not cater to "dominating female character" fantasies most viewers seem to posses this age, I guess. Decent creators? You mean pitiful creators. The anime world needs more strong. tough female characters. There's already an overflowing market filled with pathetic, overused weak female girls who can't do anything for themselves and need to be rescued. You're living in 2018, buddy. Ain't nobody got time for that weak, damsel in distress shit. Give me a quality female character I can support and root for. I think for this, Lily was expected to be the carry which I sort of think she is for being such a headstrong female lead. There seems to be a lot more weak Male MCs in anime or atleast start out weak then grow compared to having weak female leads. I mean we got Ghost in the Shell portraying strong female leads really early on in anime history. You see what he wants? "a perfect, overpowered female lead without/almost no flaws?". He wants to defy reality and spit on fiction and art. This is a case of adolescent fantasy projected unto the internet. And he is not alone out there, oh no he is not... |
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Mar 11, 2018 2:31 PM
#154
Ysad_Ziwezhan said: Like some noticed already, they mixed a pretty good seinen story with a shounen story and the shounen part was ... well, shit ? or just badly done (except the animation). Two style of story telling in one show ? Dumb MC yelling "Yuna" all the time, almost dead, but of course not. Some over the top shounen vilains dialogues (the girl/boy with the skateboard) and a useless girl. They tried to cater two audiences ... that could have worked but they failed somehow. The show could have easily been a 9 without the too noisy part for the teenagers. Character design : very good. Lily, Kaela are great and all the investigation/adult crew actually. Not a complete waste of time but yeah, wasted potential somehow. Too bad :( That was not a villain but one of the two Maidens. And it's a "series". |
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Mar 11, 2018 5:28 PM
#155
Nice finale. The part with Koku using Izanami's blade at the end was a really nice touch. Lily's car though. XD Kirisame is alive. :o Overall, I really liked this show and I didn't really have any of issues many people before me seem to have taken with it. The only gripe I can actually call on this was that the show did tend to become a little convoluted in terms of showcasing the events and revelations but apart from that it was great. The suspense, the plot developments, the action, almost everything was handled really well and it was entertaining all the way through the end. I found all the characters pretty interesting and almost everyone from RIS were really likable. Visual presentation was fantastic especially the fight sequences which looked great. From what I saw at the end, Yuna might grow to be a really likable character in contrast from what we saw this season where she's mostly just the Damsel in Distress. Character designs were great, bonus points for Lily, Kaela and Yuna. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 8/10, bring on Season 2. |
Mar 11, 2018 6:43 PM
#156
Just posting once to cover my reaction to the whole series which I binge watched. Pretty entertaining. I liked some of the clever/interesting parts of the series like hinting at Gilbert's multiple personalities through Keith saying he remembers his favorite album to listen to was by Kate Bush and while Gilbert himself says his favorite was Thin Lizzy. Also how the depiction of events partly reflected on Keith trying to catch Gilbert in the latter episodes. The action trailer this series got was bait, but at least there were action scenes in it to not feel too cheated. There was one bit of foreshadowing about Fake Minatsuki being a Reggie that seemed accidental which amused me. 'Reggies: includes image of Fake/Phantom Minatsuki & Real Minatsuki along with the guy who looks like a clown.' Bonus point because I like a lot of the director's work (whether it's notable art is another story) and some scenes reminded me of it. I like to think of possible Lily x Keith as Jin x Fuu from Samurai Champloo. Heh. So I'd like to see how this series continues: another facility with ancient gods? Did Keith's father survive as the end scene after the credits with Kirisame might suggest? It could be someone else, but if he is actually alive I called it. I hope Yuna doesn't end up getting taken captive again that would be an excuse plot. All we get as an explanation for Yuna's lack of combat abilities is the tablet. Sometimes it seemed like the detective plot was competing for screen time with anything to do with Koku which is meh even though I liked the detective work more. Who can say if it's because of the focus in disarray. Fun to watch overall and I didn't mind the pace of the plot. 8/10. |
Toxic_MongooseMar 11, 2018 7:04 PM
Mar 11, 2018 11:35 PM
#157
Very good. There were some issues in how little certain things were explained which left me with a little confusion, however this series delivered and gave the anime community a much needed thriller.. something we haven't had in a good minute. |
Mar 11, 2018 11:39 PM
#158
The last episode really was a complete letdown for me. I mean it was going to be a top anime for me but after that last episode it was just meh. Keith is one of those standout anime characters, not the generic type which made the anime. But I have so many questions because of the last few episodes... 1. Why did Izanami give his/her leg to Koku? Or at least told him to take it? That makes no sense. 2. At the end, Gilbert was talking about Minatsuki but the characteristics he described was that of the guy with the sunglasses (don't even know what his name was..). He was the one who seemed to have stabilized with what was it that Minatsuki stabilized on again? He was also the back up for Koku. 3. What is Gilbert's motive? I still don't understand how he went from being Keith's best friend to some suicidal maniac bent on gratifying himself by changing Keith. Then there's Keith's dad, wouldn't Gilbert be like 20 at that point considering Koku and the rest are children? How was Gilbert running the ambush thing? He's a kid! 4. Why was the sunglasses dude isolated? I mean, Gilbert isolated him but he would have been in Keith's dad's place the whole time? or at least in another department probably an intern in the medical department!! if he was working under the same company. 5. Gilbert orchestrated literally everything, as in he shaped Keith to become the genius he was due to his sister's death and that influenced other officers to admire and learn from him. He was the mastermind of this labyrinth as he said and had Keith walk in it but to what end?! Why?! Because Keith said he hates murders in a context where he didn't even know Gilbert was a psychopath? Also, he can't feel remorse so why would he be hurt by that? Like seriously... If anyone could answer these questions and help me make sense of it, I'd appreciate it. HOW DID HE GET FRENCH FROM THE WATCH?! BRAN OWNING A FRENCH WATCH WAS COINCIDENTAL!!! |
Mar 12, 2018 1:06 AM
#159
Aesthete18 said: The last episode really was a complete letdown for me. I mean it was going to be a top anime for me but after that last episode it was just meh. Keith is one of those standout anime characters, not the generic type which made the anime. But I have so many questions because of the last few episodes... 1. Why did Izanami give his/her leg to Koku? Or at least told him to take it? That makes no sense. 2. At the end, Gilbert was talking about Minatsuki but the characteristics he described was that of the guy with the sunglasses (don't even know what his name was..). He was the one who seemed to have stabilized with what was it that Minatsuki stabilized on again? He was also the back up for Koku. 3. What is Gilbert's motive? I still don't understand how he went from being Keith's best friend to some suicidal maniac bent on gratifying himself by changing Keith. Then there's Keith's dad, wouldn't Gilbert be like 20 at that point considering Koku and the rest are children? How was Gilbert running the ambush thing? He's a kid! 4. Why was the sunglasses dude isolated? I mean, Gilbert isolated him but he would have been in Keith's dad's place the whole time? or at least in another department probably an intern in the medical department!! if he was working under the same company. 5. Gilbert orchestrated literally everything, as in he shaped Keith to become the genius he was due to his sister's death and that influenced other officers to admire and learn from him. He was the mastermind of this labyrinth as he said and had Keith walk in it but to what end?! Why?! Because Keith said he hates murders in a context where he didn't even know Gilbert was a psychopath? Also, he can't feel remorse so why would he be hurt by that? Like seriously... If anyone could answer these questions and help me make sense of it, I'd appreciate it. HOW DID HE GET FRENCH FROM THE WATCH?! BRAN OWNING A FRENCH WATCH WAS COINCIDENTAL!!! 1. Wrong, watching comprehension is lacking. According to the Scripture there were 2 Maidens, one of which became Yuna, and the other Koku murdered. Izanami was, by all means, a reincarnation of the murdered Maiden, who still carried her love through time and space even though it ended how it ended. In the flashbacks Izanami told Kazama Keith the he/she will protect Koku. Watching comprehension of some viewers is what makes no sense to me. 2. Wrong, watching comprehension is lacking. Mintasuki was a simple Reggie who was brainwashed into believing he is the extra-part for Koku, while in fact it was always the guy with sunglasses who was hiding his special eye all the time. The guy was also a Reggie, but they managed to give him the eye and his Reggie body did not reject it, so they wanted to keep experimenting on him, but Gilbert made his move. 3. Good question. There are explicitly stated 3 (THREE) different reasons as to why this all had to happen. The "ambush" thing happened 10 years ago, which would make Gilbert about 20 years old (you could see a flashback 10 years ago where they are seen almost the same, with Keith, while in hospital with Erica). Gilbert had nothing to do with the facility itself and was not growing up with them, he was the son of the god resurrection project first director after Keith solved the Scripture. First trigger they gave is that "Erica fell in love with a wrong man", meaning Erica had feelings for Keith, but Gilbert loved her as well. It is not implied whether Keith did love her, or thought of her as of family only. Second trigger was that Keith "did not understand murder", which Gilbert adored even in their university days. Felt alone and betrayed Gilbert wanted to make Keith understand, why would anyone commit murder, and in the end he did. Third trigger was implied in the epilogue by Lily, that Gilbert, while being profoundly insane, tried his best to make Keith come and kill him to stop Gilbert from doing more and more evil. Neither "theory" gets acknowledged as true, but by the rule of being said, they are all virtually true. 4. I can't understand that question. Initially the extra-parts Reggie was isolated to prevent army and monarch from discovering him, as it would mean they finally have means to stabilize Reggies and make them war-efficient. Or they would have killed him because they never were intending to let demigods roam the earth, monarchy becomes unneeded if that happens. 5.... Wrong, watching comprehension... lacking. Keith solved the equation for the Scripture and DNA mystery of the demigods during his childhood, they both were geniuses before the Erica's murder. Gilbert was considering Keith his true friend and being rejected as him for what he truly loved (both Erica and murder) made him snap initially, giving full reign to his insanity. Gilbert over the span of his life created numerous personalities, which, when they were faced with remorse or guilt, he discarded to keep moving on. And remorse had little to do with the initial snap. I hope I did answer those questions and even more so I hope you will actually try to enjoy the series, not simply watch through the moving pictures without fathoming the passing subtitles. |
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Mar 12, 2018 3:29 AM
#160
At least his yelling was only Yuna instead of all the time like Asta from Black Clover. And the person who mentioned Minazuki I thought that he resembled someone from Clockwork Orange. I could see resemblances of others anime’s in this one, which by now anime has to be about like Hollywood as in it’s going to be near impossible to not have something in a movie or show that hasn’t been seen before. Kokus hair turning white and have a red left eye immediately reminded me of Tokyo Ghoul. Overall the series was worth a watch. I made the mistake of watching about half, then watching my weekly anime shows, then watching AICO Incarnation (which I didn’t like as good as I did this series, mainly because of Aiko) and back. So there is a few things I got confused on going forward. The serial killer B was Koke killing Reggie’s correct? I just don’t feel like going back and rewatching to see so pardon my laziness if someone can answer this. |
BigWangBaiMar 12, 2018 3:51 AM
Mar 12, 2018 3:42 AM
#161
BigWangBai said: At least his yelling was only Yuna instead of all the time like Asta from Black Clover. And the person who mentioned Minazuki I thought that too. Overall the series was worth a watch. I made the mistake of watching about half, then watching my weekly anime shows, then watching AICO Incarnation (which I didn’t like as good as I did this series, mainly because of Aiko) and back. So there is a few things I got confused on going forward. The serial killer B was Koke killing Reggie’s correct? I just don’t feel like going back and rewatching to see so pardon my laziness if someone can answer this. Yes, initially Koku was murdering Reggies who attacked the research facility with Gilbert that night. |
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Mar 12, 2018 3:47 AM
#162
Mar 12, 2018 6:14 AM
#163
Daniel_Naumov said: Aesthete18 said: The last episode really was a complete letdown for me. I mean it was going to be a top anime for me but after that last episode it was just meh. Keith is one of those standout anime characters, not the generic type which made the anime. But I have so many questions because of the last few episodes... 1. Why did Izanami give his/her leg to Koku? Or at least told him to take it? That makes no sense. 2. At the end, Gilbert was talking about Minatsuki but the characteristics he described was that of the guy with the sunglasses (don't even know what his name was..). He was the one who seemed to have stabilized with what was it that Minatsuki stabilized on again? He was also the back up for Koku. 3. What is Gilbert's motive? I still don't understand how he went from being Keith's best friend to some suicidal maniac bent on gratifying himself by changing Keith. Then there's Keith's dad, wouldn't Gilbert be like 20 at that point considering Koku and the rest are children? How was Gilbert running the ambush thing? He's a kid! 4. Why was the sunglasses dude isolated? I mean, Gilbert isolated him but he would have been in Keith's dad's place the whole time? or at least in another department probably an intern in the medical department!! if he was working under the same company. 5. Gilbert orchestrated literally everything, as in he shaped Keith to become the genius he was due to his sister's death and that influenced other officers to admire and learn from him. He was the mastermind of this labyrinth as he said and had Keith walk in it but to what end?! Why?! Because Keith said he hates murders in a context where he didn't even know Gilbert was a psychopath? Also, he can't feel remorse so why would he be hurt by that? Like seriously... If anyone could answer these questions and help me make sense of it, I'd appreciate it. HOW DID HE GET FRENCH FROM THE WATCH?! BRAN OWNING A FRENCH WATCH WAS COINCIDENTAL!!! 1. Wrong, watching comprehension is lacking. According to the Scripture there were 2 Maidens, one of which became Yuna, and the other Koku murdered. Izanami was, by all means, a reincarnation of the murdered Maiden, who still carried her love through time and space even though it ended how it ended. In the flashbacks Izanami told Kazama Keith the he/she will protect Koku. Watching comprehension of some viewers is what makes no sense to me. 2. Wrong, watching comprehension is lacking. Mintasuki was a simple Reggie who was brainwashed into believing he is the extra-part for Koku, while in fact it was always the guy with sunglasses who was hiding his special eye all the time. The guy was also a Reggie, but they managed to give him the eye and his Reggie body did not reject it, so they wanted to keep experimenting on him, but Gilbert made his move. 3. Good question. There are explicitly stated 3 (THREE) different reasons as to why this all had to happen. The "ambush" thing happened 10 years ago, which would make Gilbert about 20 years old (you could see a flashback 10 years ago where they are seen almost the same, with Keith, while in hospital with Erica). Gilbert had nothing to do with the facility itself and was not growing up with them, he was the son of the god resurrection project first director after Keith solved the Scripture. First trigger they gave is that "Erica fell in love with a wrong man", meaning Erica had feelings for Keith, but Gilbert loved her as well. It is not implied whether Keith did love her, or thought of her as of family only. Second trigger was that Keith "did not understand murder", which Gilbert adored even in their university days. Felt alone and betrayed Gilbert wanted to make Keith understand, why would anyone commit murder, and in the end he did. Third trigger was implied in the epilogue by Lily, that Gilbert, while being profoundly insane, tried his best to make Keith come and kill him to stop Gilbert from doing more and more evil. Neither "theory" gets acknowledged as true, but by the rule of being said, they are all virtually true. 4. I can't understand that question. Initially the extra-parts Reggie was isolated to prevent army and monarch from discovering him, as it would mean they finally have means to stabilize Reggies and make them war-efficient. Or they would have killed him because they never were intending to let demigods roam the earth, monarchy becomes unneeded if that happens. 5.... Wrong, watching comprehension... lacking. Keith solved the equation for the Scripture and DNA mystery of the demigods during his childhood, they both were geniuses before the Erica's murder. Gilbert was considering Keith his true friend and being rejected as him for what he truly loved (both Erica and murder) made him snap initially, giving full reign to his insanity. Gilbert over the span of his life created numerous personalities, which, when they were faced with remorse or guilt, he discarded to keep moving on. And remorse had little to do with the initial snap. I hope I did answer those questions and even more so I hope you will actually try to enjoy the series, not simply watch through the moving pictures without fathoming the passing subtitles. Conversation skills lacking. |
Mar 12, 2018 7:47 AM
#164
Just finished the 12 eps. I really enjoyed it. Indeed its risky combo between shonen & seinen anime type, but that what makes B original. I feel that the supernatural part kinda bit off on the second half, specifically koku always act emotional when yuna is involved, but i always enjoyed when Keith act as the main focus of the story. Solid 8/10 for me |
Mar 12, 2018 11:32 AM
#165
You are both welcome and hope that you are both going to invest more effort into seeing the things for what they are, without me chewing it and spoonfeeding for 15 minutes. Also, some basic gratitude. |
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Mar 12, 2018 12:42 PM
#166
perfect exept for yuna she should had died |
Mar 12, 2018 4:25 PM
#167
This show just tried to do much with too little time. Every plot twist and the end were all extremely predictable. There was a core of a good show in here somewhere... and therein lies the issue, it felt like two shows being crammed into one. They could have left out the whole demigod aspect and just had a psychological drama between Keith and Gilbert, which done right could have been much more affective and in the vein of shows like Monster and Death Note. Or they could have just made a show about the demigod aspect and delve into it to develop it more. Plugging both stories into one show just didn’t work, since the connections were tenuous at best. |
Mar 12, 2018 11:34 PM
#168
zoderos said: blarghnox said: I'd give the anime a 7/10 but I got a question that I will go crazy if I don't know. what did Koku mouth or say to Minatsuki the second after he cut his head off? and did they ever say who regulus was? or was that just part of the acronym for the reggies? I could have sworn to see them talking to someone under the name regulus. Probably "How does my new shiny leg taste?". Seriously though if someone could tell me what Koku said I would be able to be at peace it's figuratively killing me |
Mar 13, 2018 1:40 AM
#169
I think this anime was the type you need to watch in single run Or at least not watch it one by one in long interval each other coz from what i see, lots of people in here still just watch this anime like their watch hentai, just for the scene their interested while you need to watch it entirely to understand why keith is so genius he can nearly predict future, and gilbert who want toying with him and show him superiority with "script" he's already orchestrated for a long time koku meanwhile was born because keith too, keith succesfull in deciphered jetblack was pushed all progress of reviving the gods and the maiden, and of course technology that required it, but their need some facade and money for already corrupted researcher and scientist, so that's why reggie is being born, it's usual, made weapon for ez money it's just suprisingly lots of people didnt appreciate what this anime tried to offer give me impression this new weebs after found something so unfamiliar with this anime niche, their just cast it aside because either lack knowledge to watch and enjoy it, or simply just comfortable with moe-blob thrope |
Mar 13, 2018 8:46 AM
#170
Such waste of time. Boring characters and story. Cliche ending. Good material for CHUUNIBYOU boys. But thats all. ... |
Mar 13, 2018 9:50 AM
#171
shiro_kai said: Such waste of time. Boring characters and story. Cliche ending. Good material for CHUUNIBYOU boys. But thats all. ... everytime i saw your comment in non moeblob anime you just muttering the same thing stop degrading yourself rofl |
Mar 13, 2018 11:37 AM
#172
ResolveR said: shiro_kai said: Such waste of time. Boring characters and story. Cliche ending. Good material for CHUUNIBYOU boys. But thats all. ... everytime i saw your comment in non moeblob anime you just muttering the same thing stop degrading yourself rofl No it's not degrading, it's solidifying their own generic existence through this defamation. |
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Mar 13, 2018 1:51 PM
#173
ResolveR said: shiro_kai said: Such waste of time. Boring characters and story. Cliche ending. Good material for CHUUNIBYOU boys. But thats all. ... everytime i saw your comment in non moeblob anime you just muttering the same thing stop degrading yourself rofl You do have a point, my judge gets really salt at "non moeblob animes", but in this particular case, B: The Beginning, the excess of stolen refereces from poor western cop/ soap opera movies is problably the cause for such grouch mood. If i was not watching it with the concept that it was supposed to be an 'anime', I could undoubtedly have enjoyed it a lot more, and get a positively view from it. You are right, certainly in the end it's just a personal problem of mine. |
Mar 13, 2018 2:59 PM
#174
Then go get helped! You acknowledge the problem go fix it before venturing into healthy social interactions! This is not your personal litter bin. |
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Mar 13, 2018 10:38 PM
#175
well the good thing at least he's confessed about it either way for me i kinda bummed for ending duration their can just make this episode for 1 hour so the epilogue is more clear and can show what the next our protagonist to do it's just the epilogue so short it's nearly didnt give impact as some of original anime should be but at least their are confident there will be season 2 for this anime so their just gave this short epilogue when everyone is happy and fine in very short way |
Mar 14, 2018 2:45 PM
#176
Daniel_Naumov said: HalAnime said: alphaAngel said: Daniel_Naumov said: HalAnime said: alphaAngel said: alphaAngel said: Daniel_Naumov said: Curse- said: Unoriginal in every facet, trope-filled, predictable Means they did proper work on symbolism and with caution proceeded as they were creating true art. It is good you understand those parallels and those story shaping elements, it means you are experienced. Too bad you are uncultured enough to be unable to acknowledge a virtue when you fathom one. Meaningless, everexpanding thirst for "surprises" is some sort of mental illness or something this age, why so many get affected... Bewildering. alphaAngel said: I liked the anime quite a lot, but the whole Koku x Useless puppet girl story just seemed pretty out of place and kinda... pointless? Like, it seemed slightly related to the other story in the beginning, but they split it too much and it just became two independent stories, and to be honest, that one was pissing me off. The animation was beautiful, and I liked Koku's character in the beginning, but then it turned out to be a major disappointment. And the pink-haired girl was just completely useless. Honestly. Why do pathetic sidekicks like her even get created nowadays. She could of been so much more. She seemed capable and strong, but in the end, all she ever did was cry and act like a puppet. That disappointed me the most. I would of given this anime a solid 10 if it had not been for that weak character, and how their story was so disconnected to the other one in the end. I am sorry but this is an attack on the setting where you completely fail to understand what the setting is. Forget the philosophy questions, you are obviously beyond them as of your mental development, currently. Yuna's and Koku's story is that of love. If you do not understand this, or for some reason felt angry of them because they were able to feel one, then I can only express my condolences. No need to further the wound. It was rushed and messy. If we had gotten some sort of mental connection to the characters prior, it would of been a nice story, but we didn't. It just instantly started with him looking for her like a hopeless puppy looking for its mother. "Where's Yuna??" "Where is Yuna?!" "Where is she??!!" Just shut up already. Love? Pretty pathetic display, if you ask me. You're just salty someone didn't enjoy that messy display of "love" as much as you did. Yuna was pathetic throughout the entire show, and she is the one I'm bashing. Koku was fine, for the most part. I'm complaining about Yuna's character concept and how useless she was, even though she was so capable. You're the one who fails to see how poorly portrayed and disconnected it was to the other story, and how rushed their ending was. You're probably the kind of person who finds any cheesy, shitty love-story enjoyable because you lack that in your own life. Sucks to be you, not being able to distinguish quality love stories from poorly written ones. :) Yuna and Koku's story just became like a short break from the intense, main story. Like a commercial break. I fully agree, Yuna and Koku's story was set as polar opposite to the murder mystery between Keith and the doctor. Though I did wish Yuna fought back or plotted something to meet Koku instead of being just a damsel in distress after regaining her memories. Well, good thing decent creators do not cater to "dominating female character" fantasies most viewers seem to posses this age, I guess. Decent creators? You mean pitiful creators. The anime world needs more strong. tough female characters. There's already an overflowing market filled with pathetic, overused weak female girls who can't do anything for themselves and need to be rescued. You're living in 2018, buddy. Ain't nobody got time for that weak, damsel in distress shit. Give me a quality female character I can support and root for. I think for this, Lily was expected to be the carry which I sort of think she is for being such a headstrong female lead. There seems to be a lot more weak Male MCs in anime or atleast start out weak then grow compared to having weak female leads. I mean we got Ghost in the Shell portraying strong female leads really early on in anime history. You see what he wants? "a perfect, overpowered female lead without/almost no flaws?". He wants to defy reality and spit on fiction and art. This is a case of adolescent fantasy projected unto the internet. And he is not alone out there, oh no he is not... Right, because anime is definitely reality? I want to defy reality? Are you seeing what you're writing? Anime is all about defying reality. Nothing was realistic about B: The Beginning, so how are my ideals for a female lead any different? Who said it has to be realistic? What the hell. |
Mar 14, 2018 9:33 PM
#177
That was terrible! Erika would never watch this! |
Mar 15, 2018 1:12 AM
#178
Isaidlunch said: That was terrible! Erika would never watch this! What kind of insult was this... |
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Mar 15, 2018 2:27 AM
#179
Been a long time since watched in one(2) sitting, helped to avoid some confusion, cause i think if watching regularly one episode a week it might've been hard to remember and keep up with the beginning/first half part. Overall i think it was good, not like amazing, but i enjoyed it. A bit rushed some stuff felt, but not surprising for usual 1 cour format. Definitely reminded PsychoPass, watched it a long time ago and didn't pya attention/mb forgot that it was I.G. so not surprised that it reminded me of it. Moreover i think it's pretty much same thing with some supernatural stuff added, the story felt very very similar, and the outcome. And plus added another story line, mixed it somehow, a bit weird it was. 7/10 definitely enjoyed it and missed times when binge watched a lot of stuff. So there might be another season, don't really feel that's a good idea, that was good happy ending and the right time to stop. |
Mar 15, 2018 12:19 PM
#180
I had a hard time trying to decide between a 9 or a 10... I just gave it a 10. Whatever. I enjoyed every episode and I was very impressed by the anime. I'm happy everyone's fine and alive. |
Mar 15, 2018 12:35 PM
#181
I felt like Koku and Keith storyline didn't fuse well, it was like two anime in one show struggling to shine. I'm sorry I didn't feel this anime, plot was somehow stupid especial Gilberts motive to commit those murders. They used action and those typical anime one-eye, hand of blade, silver hair tactical action to cover up a bad not well thought plot. They failed to combine adult mystery and action seinen. Don't get me started on the characters, they were as lame as fudge from ass sniffing Lilly to Yuna obsessed Koku and don't forget about the villains who all over the place with worthless tactics. That cliffhanger at the end of the credits didn't hype me, in fact it made me more angry and pissed. 5/10 is mercy for it because I'm in a good mood, I can't believe I was hyped for this ish. |
How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb --- Dr Strangelove |
Mar 16, 2018 1:56 AM
#182
lihle808 said: I felt like Koku and Keith storyline didn't fuse well, it was like two anime in one show struggling to shine. I'm sorry I didn't feel this anime, plot was somehow stupid especial Gilberts motive to commit those murders. They used action and those typical anime one-eye, hand of blade, silver hair tactical action to cover up a bad not well thought plot. They failed to combine adult mystery and action seinen. Don't get me started on the characters, they were as lame as fudge from ass sniffing Lilly to Yuna obsessed Koku and don't forget about the villains who all over the place with worthless tactics. That cliffhanger at the end of the credits didn't hype me, in fact it made me more angry and pissed. 5/10 is mercy for it because I'm in a good mood, I can't believe I was hyped for this ish. Provide "not stupid" reasons examples for a madman to commit murders then. This senseless blabbering is really getting out of hand... Adolescent critiques wanna-be... |
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Mar 16, 2018 4:29 AM
#183
Raz1515 said: ButadonMeitantei said: then what does that make that kid that apparently died and gave his arm to Kuko but appeared in the after credits (forgot his name) cause he was like we shouldn't have left the job for a reggie, so he's not one either?Raz1515 said: wait Izanami wasn't a reggie? How come? I thought all of them were except for Kuko and Yuna Kuko, Yuna and Izanami were all clones of the Gods. Remember how Keith told about a scripture written in the tablet that said the Black King got his two maidens, killed one of them to become one with them, and then loved the other, or something like that? Well the maidens were obviously Gods too, the one he loved being Yuna, the one who sacrificed herself was Izanami. EDIT: After all all the reggies at the research facility, apart from Minatsuki and his 'phantom', were slaughtered. There were 13 of them resurrected - the “special” ones were koku and yuna. #13 and #4 (resonating with the inscription) and of course the “sacrifice izanami. Izanami betrayed them because she was jealous of yuna, hence she allied with minatsuki and willingly came with them, the rest of them fought and tried to protect koku during the attack, they were defeated and koku absorbed them into his body granting him more abilities as a black king. Yuna was taken and brainwashed... During Koku and Izanami’s fight, she got defeated and asked koku ko absorb her ability (leg) because it will be “helpful” one day. (She obviously still liked him). About Minatsuki: Minatsuki was a “stable” reggie that can accept “Koku” implants without rejection. He was lied to when Gilber said that he was only kept as a sparepart - but I think in reality it’s the other way around, he is kept as an experiment if he can “absorb” all parts without rejecting it and be on par with the “black king”. Dunno if I understood it correctly but this is how I understood it. |
Mar 16, 2018 9:15 AM
#184
sbavila said: Raz1515 said: ButadonMeitantei said: Raz1515 said: wait Izanami wasn't a reggie? How come? I thought all of them were except for Kuko and Yuna Kuko, Yuna and Izanami were all clones of the Gods. Remember how Keith told about a scripture written in the tablet that said the Black King got his two maidens, killed one of them to become one with them, and then loved the other, or something like that? Well the maidens were obviously Gods too, the one he loved being Yuna, the one who sacrificed herself was Izanami. EDIT: After all all the reggies at the research facility, apart from Minatsuki and his 'phantom', were slaughtered. There were 13 of them resurrected - the “special” ones were koku and yuna. #13 and #4 (resonating with the inscription) and of course the “sacrifice izanami. Izanami betrayed them because she was jealous of yuna, hence she allied with minatsuki and willingly came with them, the rest of them fought and tried to protect koku during the attack, they were defeated and koku absorbed them into his body granting him more abilities as a black king. Yuna was taken and brainwashed... During Koku and Izanami’s fight, she got defeated and asked koku ko absorb her ability (leg) because it will be “helpful” one day. (She obviously still liked him). About Minatsuki: Minatsuki was a “stable” reggie that can accept “Koku” implants without rejection. He was lied to when Gilber said that he was only kept as a sparepart - but I think in reality it’s the other way around, he is kept as an experiment if he can “absorb” all parts without rejecting it and be on par with the “black king”. Dunno if I understood it correctly but this is how I understood it. More or less, though that jealousy part of Izanami is not implied. She might have just decided to stay behind to be able to help later, not much she could have done at the assault time. |
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Mar 17, 2018 7:13 PM
#185
I honestly thought this was bad. Initially it was interesting with the whole murder mystery crime drama until they added the supernatural elements. It just felt like I was watching two different shows which were unnecessarily forced together at the expense of character development. And it only got worse after every episode as the show was all over the place. The only thing that I somewhat liked about the show was Keith's character. It was surprising to see Kirisame alive in the end. I guess if they do make a sequel then the story will focus more on Koku this time. But still it feels pointless. |
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Mar 17, 2018 11:28 PM
#186
Pretty much an ending we could expect but well it still was one hell of an epic ending if you ask me! And what a series, if Netflix keeps making these kind of series, it might make anime in the future quite different than we're used to! In general I really loved the two interwoven stories that came to a really epic conclusion in the end. With the reason I watching this just because Kaith looked like Gordon Freeman from Half Life to me, it really blew my mind in the end and it's been a time since I've watched an anime this good again so for that I really do need to say I really enjoyed marathoning this anime. That epilogue especially was interesting and gave the series so much more possibility to grow or close off as it is now. Really wonderful in the end and a solid 9/10 for me! |
Mar 19, 2018 11:56 AM
#187
Oni-Baku said: Shocked to see this series setting up a sequel to be honest. Kirisame being alive was also a shock and I'm interested to see how he faked his own death. iirc, Koku cut his left arm and he saw his body lying there in the snow. Keith was the best character of this show, easily. I wish Lily was handled differently tbh. The trope of a main character being similar to a past important character is overused. This show reminded me a lot of Psycho Pass in some ways. i think there was a scene where koku drags kirisame away maybe he could safe him somehow or smth like that but i also don‘t think a second season is necessary but overall i really enjoyed it^^ |
Mar 19, 2018 7:49 PM
#188
This type of show isn't really my cup of tea (especially with the supernatural aspects added in) but overall, I did like it. I'm more into murder mystery or crime stuff with detectives and this show originally started out like that but then it strayed into this weird demi-human concept - Which I thought it did well but it was just not what I expected. It is similar to Psycho Pass and all but I preferred PP over this with their technology and antagonists. Will give it a 6/10. I want to give it something higher but: FatalGaze said: I honestly thought this was bad. Initially it was interesting with the whole murder mystery crime drama until they added the supernatural elements. It just felt like I was watching two different shows which were unnecessarily forced together at the expense of character development. And it only got worse after every episode as the show was all over the place. The only thing that I somewhat liked about the show was Keith's character. It was surprising to see Kirisame alive in the end. I guess if they do make a sequel then the story will focus more on Koku this time. But still it feels pointless. I completely agree, especially the "two different shows" thing. The main thing that ruined this show was that it didn't have a central plot - it was jumping between the two. |
Mar 20, 2018 3:02 AM
#189
it's kinda funny when people said it's two different show and didnt have central plot but actually it's whole 12 episode and every Keith move was the central plot well it's either their to lazy because "it's not my anime type" and just give it low score or didnt have intellegent enough to watch it :/ |
Mar 20, 2018 5:20 AM
#190
ResolveR said: it's kinda funny when people said it's two different show and didnt have central plot but actually it's whole 12 episode and every Keith move was the central plot well it's either their to lazy because "it's not my anime type" and just give it low score or didnt have intellegent enough to watch it :/ The "central plot" was orchestrated by Gilbert a decade ago. I have no idea what nonsense is swirling in the heads of those who claim "two plots no coherence" when everyone was playing Gilberts' game for 12 episodes. Really bewildering. |
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Mar 20, 2018 6:09 AM
#191
Daniel_Naumov said: ResolveR said: it's kinda funny when people said it's two different show and didnt have central plot but actually it's whole 12 episode and every Keith move was the central plot well it's either their to lazy because "it's not my anime type" and just give it low score or didnt have intellegent enough to watch it :/ The "central plot" was orchestrated by Gilbert a decade ago. I have no idea what nonsense is swirling in the heads of those who claim "two plots no coherence" when everyone was playing Gilberts' game for 12 episodes. Really bewildering. lol dude you kinda spoil it xD i just wanna gave some clue thats why i use Keith |
Mar 20, 2018 7:55 AM
#192
tbh this show felt way too rushed and i didnt really care about this winged demon bs but i really enjoyed the police side of the show shrug so 6/10 imo |
Mar 20, 2018 8:22 AM
#193
Too inconsistent. The detective was so genius That he doesn't need to investigate. The villain is more appropriate at the circus rather than a show. |
I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die. |
Mar 20, 2018 8:34 AM
#194
Mar 21, 2018 4:29 PM
#195
I really liked this show and marathoned it within 24 hours but even as a fan of supernatural type Anime I have to say I really didn't see much point in alot of that being in this series. I mean sure to not have it would require a complete rewrite of the story of course BUT I personally feel the best part of the show was the simple Cops vs Serial Killer, those were the parts that shined. All the stuff with Koku and co was good but also just never felt like it fully belonged. Like what did any of that really have to do with Gilbert's ultimate final motive, so far as I could tell very little. I imagine a show about Keith vs Gilbert would have been alot better. This show was like two interesting ideas for genre shows being blended into one. It was moderately successful at doing this because the show is very entertaining but like I said I just don't feel like either served the other. Both stories would have most likely have achieved greater heights on their own. Anyway great entertainment regardless. |
Mar 22, 2018 1:01 PM
#196
The decision to tell a tale of logic and fantasy paralleling each other was an interesting and daring move. The pacing, character development and how the two stories connected were good enough to make the last fight and the final conclusion gripping; that final monologue worked on both stories that it was hard to tell which world was explaining the other. I salute the direction and wish to see more of such attempts. |
Mar 22, 2018 1:07 PM
#197
7/10 for me. The animation was superb and I really loved the music. Watching this felt like reading cliff notes of a great novel. I feel like we were just given the gist of it and not the full story. I guess that's to be expected in 12 episodes? Meh |
Mar 23, 2018 5:28 PM
#198
I enjoyed this original anime. Nicely animated and had some great action. Although, I do feel like the story could've been executed better. Felt a bit confusing and convoluted at times. Other than that, would definitely watch a second season. Seems like they tried to set it up for another season with that ending. 8/10. |
Mar 26, 2018 12:49 AM
#199
Fairly ambitious to merge a detective thriller with god fantasy shounen, using dual heroes & dual villains, and it kinda works. It slowed down on the last episodes (sometimes a bit draggy), but the ending is nice. Gilbert wins in a sense but peace is restored, the inscription is followed somewhat, and ships are safe. Keith & Lily were the most fun to follow. Gilbert, Kaela & Koku were interesting, had some key backstories & ties but not enough to care much. Yuna & Erika had so much potential to develop, and Yuna's fight was one of the best (all the fights had great action directing & animation). Sadly after Yuna's revival they waste so much screentime on pointless torture. Supposedly all the 13 gods have some regen ability (?). Plot is ambitious & complex, but gladly most key parts are explained. Gilbert's multiple personality & switching add to his depth tho he's really just a nutjob, and Reggies vs 13 gods, and Kazama/Keith ties to the lab. But some parts are unnecessarily complex, & could've spent the time developing characters, going through the puzzle solving (which Keith mostly jumped well ahead) etc. Like the whole Long-hair reggie standin-mindcontrolled was unneeded. Minatsuki could've just ordered/controlled his usual reggies. And most of the clowns were stupid & die pointlessly, except Izanami who knew herself as the maiden to sacrifice herself to merge the leg (I guess it's a girl based on inscription). Well my minor complaints aside, each episode was gripping & needed to watch the next asap. So I think it's fast but well paced for a 1 cour thriller. |
Mar 26, 2018 7:29 AM
#200
gophercg said: Fairly ambitious to merge a detective thriller with god fantasy shounen, using dual heroes & dual villains, and it kinda works. It slowed down on the last episodes (sometimes a bit draggy), but the ending is nice. Gilbert wins in a sense but peace is restored, the inscription is followed somewhat, and ships are safe. Keith & Lily were the most fun to follow. Gilbert, Kaela & Koku were interesting, had some key backstories & ties but not enough to care much. Yuna & Erika had so much potential to develop, and Yuna's fight was one of the best (all the fights had great action directing & animation). Sadly after Yuna's revival they waste so much screentime on pointless torture. Supposedly all the 13 gods have some regen ability (?). Plot is ambitious & complex, but gladly most key parts are explained. Gilbert's multiple personality & switching add to his depth tho he's really just a nutjob, and Reggies vs 13 gods, and Kazama/Keith ties to the lab. But some parts are unnecessarily complex, & could've spent the time developing characters, going through the puzzle solving (which Keith mostly jumped well ahead) etc. Like the whole Long-hair reggie standin-mindcontrolled was unneeded. Minatsuki could've just ordered/controlled his usual reggies. And most of the clowns were stupid & die pointlessly, except Izanami who knew herself as the maiden to sacrifice herself to merge the leg (I guess it's a girl based on inscription). Well my minor complaints aside, each episode was gripping & needed to watch the next asap. So I think it's fast but well paced for a 1 cour thriller. finally some review with a common sense |
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