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Lunilah said: Gator said: I don't mean to Tuna vs Lion the Gator himself butI don't like him, his unjustified aggression is just annoying. He thinks he's hot shit, but he just got lucky with his ability. Every time he loses is a good time for me. I'd argue the person who got lucky with their quirk is Deku as i defer to a previous post of mine: Lunilah said: Bakugo being powerful because of his quirk is a complete lie as he is who makes it powerful, this is demonstrated by my points on page 1 and deku/all might themselves. Mostly Deku because why would he even look up to him if it was just his quirk? Actually, in those terms, it's only Deku with a powerful quirk who doesn't know how to use it rather than an intelligent person who uses his quirk to the fullest, all he knows is how to copy Bakugos tactics compared to being his own hero. But season 3 is a culmination of both Deku and Bakugo's growth, can you imagine how stupid it would be to ignore that growth from Deku? That's what you do to Bakugo. Lunilah said: Some of it is out of context as it was directed at other people, but retyping everything all the time is troublesome for me.Yes he's emotionally inept. He's a combat prodigy as seen through his continued triumph in physical events and tournaments and with Deku seeing Bakugo as the best person to take his style from, as well as ranked 3rd in the class for the mid-terms only behind Momo and Iida. Well first of all I never even mentioned Deku, so I never denied that he did not get lucky with his quirk either. But Deku certainly did not get lucky, since his quirk was given to him on purpose from someone who saw potential in him. So that would be everything but lucky. Second, when has Bakugo ever done something great without using his perk? Bakugo relies 100% on his perk while other heroes also used martial arts in some situations. Most of the time he just tries to blast away his opponent and that's it, just because he uses it sometimes to evade attacks I don't see him as a prodigy. Others used their quirks in a much more creative way. |
Gator said: I mentioned him as a counter-argument because i believe Deku to be the definition of being lucky to have a quirk, as opposed to someone like Bakugo who himself pushes his quirk to the limit due to his own ability and intelligence, whereas Deku has his quirk being completely matured from day 1 and unable to control it and still passing when he otherwise likely wouldn't. Also we found out UA is now accepting quirkless people in episode 1, and that Deku could have been the first one.Lunilah said: I don't mean to Tuna vs Lion the Gator himself but I'd argue the person who got lucky with their quirk is Deku as i defer to a previous post of mine: Some of it is out of context as it was directed at other people, but retyping everything all the time is troublesome for me. Well first of all I never even mentioned Deku, so I never denied that he did not get lucky with his quirk either. But Deku certainly did not get lucky, since his quirk was given to him on purpose from someone who saw potential in him. So that would be everything but lucky. Second, when has Bakugo ever done something great without using his perk? Bakugo relies 100% on his perk while other heroes also used martial arts in some situations. Most of the time he just tries to blast away his opponent and that's it, just because he uses it sometimes to evade attacks I don't see him as a prodigy. Others used their quirks in a much more creative way. I don't think it matters whether Bakugo does anything great outside of his quirk, as the argument is solely about his quirk. I think stain had a great line to Shoto about this, that he focuses way too much on his quirk, and that is a flaw but also not implying that the quirk is the sum of his being. But back to Bakugo, what he does in terms of scale and ingenuity is completely on him and his quirk doesn't do it for him. |
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Lunilah said: Gator said: I mentioned him as a counter-argument because i believe Deku to be the definition of being lucky to have a quirk, as opposed to someone like Bakugo who himself pushes his quirk to the limit due to his own ability and intelligence, whereas Deku has his quirk being completely matured from day 1 and unable to control it and still passing when he otherwise likely wouldn't. Also we found out UA is now accepting quirkless people in episode 1, and that Deku could have been the first one.Well first of all I never even mentioned Deku, so I never denied that he did not get lucky with his quirk either. But Deku certainly did not get lucky, since his quirk was given to him on purpose from someone who saw potential in him. So that would be everything but lucky. Second, when has Bakugo ever done something great without using his perk? Bakugo relies 100% on his perk while other heroes also used martial arts in some situations. Most of the time he just tries to blast away his opponent and that's it, just because he uses it sometimes to evade attacks I don't see him as a prodigy. Others used their quirks in a much more creative way. I don't think it matters whether Bakugo does anything great outside of his quirk, as the argument is solely about his quirk. I think stain had a great line to Shoto about this, that he focuses way too much on his quirk, and that is a flaw but also not implying that the quirk is the sum of his being. But back to Bakugo, what he does in terms of scale and ingenuity is completely on him and his quirk doesn't do it for him. So why is Deku the definition of being lucky? Bakugo got his ability just randomly, Deku got his ability handed to him because someone saw his potential. If anything Deku worked hard to get his ability while Bakugo did not. I'm not talking about developing your ability here. What argument are you talking about? I stated that he got lucky about his quirk since it's pretty strong even by just using its raw power without putting too much thought into it. In comparison to Ochaco whose ability isn't as easily usable for combat. |
Gator said: You could say the same thing about Deku with what you're saying about Bakugo, he just randomly got it. Non sequitur. You only get quirks if you're lucky enough in the first place, which is also the majority. If Deku never met All Might none of it would have happened, and he only got it because he was unlucky in not getting a quirk and naturally attained the ideals and beliefs that matched All Might's criteria, as opposed to doing it for the sake of getting a quirk from someone else, which nobody knew was possible until then. The circumstances required for everything to transpire is a miracle for Deku and not something with good odds in probability.Lunilah said: I mentioned him as a counter-argument because i believe Deku to be the definition of being lucky to have a quirk, as opposed to someone like Bakugo who himself pushes his quirk to the limit due to his own ability and intelligence, whereas Deku has his quirk being completely matured from day 1 and unable to control it and still passing when he otherwise likely wouldn't. Also we found out UA is now accepting quirkless people in episode 1, and that Deku could have been the first one. I don't think it matters whether Bakugo does anything great outside of his quirk, as the argument is solely about his quirk. I think stain had a great line to Shoto about this, that he focuses way too much on his quirk, and that is a flaw but also not implying that the quirk is the sum of his being. But back to Bakugo, what he does in terms of scale and ingenuity is completely on him and his quirk doesn't do it for him. So why is Deku the definition of being lucky? Bakugo got his ability just randomly, Deku got his ability handed to him because someone saw his potential. If anything Deku worked hard to get his ability while Bakugo did not. I'm not talking about developing your ability here. What argument are you talking about? I stated that he got lucky about his quirk since it's pretty strong even by just using its raw power without putting too much thought into it. In comparison to Ochaco whose ability isn't as easily usable for combat. There is a massive physical dependence Bakugo's quirk requires, sweat, and not only that he barely uses it's raw power willy nilly because it's physically straining and painful. You are correct about Ochaco, but that isn't to say just because you have a quirk good for combat that it makes the person good for combat. Edit: The person has to train to keep and push their quirk to the limits, you cant just be born with an all powerful quirk or be handed it unless you're Deku, in which case you have to fight to control it instead of pushing the limits of it. The fact that Deku has to push himself to close the gap on his quirk is a clear testament of how far Bakugo and everyone else have pushed themselves and their quirks. If you could give someone else Bakugo's quirk they would probably lose a limb using it at full power, not to mention if Recovery girl didn't exist where would Deku be? |
LunilahDec 17, 2018 2:51 AM
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Lunilah said: Gator said: You could say the same thing about Deku with what you're saying about Bakugo, he just randomly got it. Non sequitur. You only get quirks if you're lucky enough in the first place, which is also the majority. If Deku never met All Might none of it would have happened, and he only got it because he was unlucky in not getting a quirk and naturally attained the ideals and beliefs that matched All Might's criteria, as opposed to doing it for the sake of getting a quirk from someone else, which nobody knew was possible until then. The circumstances required for everything to transpire is a miracle for Deku and not something with good odds in probability.So why is Deku the definition of being lucky? Bakugo got his ability just randomly, Deku got his ability handed to him because someone saw his potential. If anything Deku worked hard to get his ability while Bakugo did not. I'm not talking about developing your ability here. What argument are you talking about? I stated that he got lucky about his quirk since it's pretty strong even by just using its raw power without putting too much thought into it. In comparison to Ochaco whose ability isn't as easily usable for combat. There is a massive physical dependence Bakugo's quirk requires, sweat, and not only that he barely uses it's raw power willy nilly because it's physically straining and painful. You are correct about Ochaco, but that isn't to say just because you have a quirk good for combat that it makes the person good for combat. Edit: The person has to train to keep and push their quirk to the limits, you cant just be born with an all powerful quirk or be handed it unless you're Deku, in which case you have to fight to control it instead of pushing the limits of it. The fact that Deku has to push himself to close the gap on his quirk is a clear testament of how far Bakugo and everyone else have pushed themselves and their quirks. If you could give someone else Bakugo's quirk they would probably lose a limb using it at full power, not to mention if Recovery girl didn't exist where would Deku be? What's random about Allmight giving it to him? He chose him to be his successor, I see nothing random about that. His encounter with him was random though. I don't think he was lucky to not get a quirk, he might've mastered it by now and might be even stronger than with All Might. I don't see how Bakugo works any harder than other heroes though and he's still one of the best fighters. Most of the time he just rages at people who are better than him anyway. Bakugo trained his ability for years now, everyone else who would have gotten it would have done the same. They would lose a limb as likely as Bakugo would. Deku only has that problem because he received that quirk that quickly and did not have any time to train it. He needs to use it in order to be successful at school after all. The only one you could say got even more lucky with his quirk might be Todoroki. |
Gator said: There's nothing random about Bakugo getting a quirk when over 80% of the population has one, i probably should have been clear about that. All the events transpiring for Deku being nothing short of a miracle still stands, he also was picked from the moment he tried to saved Bakugo, not after training as he was already going to get it. There is nothing i can remember to indicate your opinion of Deku being as strong as All Might if he had the power since he was born, as All Might himself had to close the gap and then go beyond in making it his own, as Deku will have to.Lunilah said: You could say the same thing about Deku with what you're saying about Bakugo, he just randomly got it. Non sequitur. You only get quirks if you're lucky enough in the first place, which is also the majority. If Deku never met All Might none of it would have happened, and he only got it because he was unlucky in not getting a quirk and naturally attained the ideals and beliefs that matched All Might's criteria, as opposed to doing it for the sake of getting a quirk from someone else, which nobody knew was possible until then. The circumstances required for everything to transpire is a miracle for Deku and not something with good odds in probability. There is a massive physical dependence Bakugo's quirk requires, sweat, and not only that he barely uses it's raw power willy nilly because it's physically straining and painful. You are correct about Ochaco, but that isn't to say just because you have a quirk good for combat that it makes the person good for combat. Edit: The person has to train to keep and push their quirk to the limits, you cant just be born with an all powerful quirk or be handed it unless you're Deku, in which case you have to fight to control it instead of pushing the limits of it. The fact that Deku has to push himself to close the gap on his quirk is a clear testament of how far Bakugo and everyone else have pushed themselves and their quirks. If you could give someone else Bakugo's quirk they would probably lose a limb using it at full power, not to mention if Recovery girl didn't exist where would Deku be? What's random about Allmight giving it to him? He chose him to be his successor, I see nothing random about that. His encounter with him was random though. I don't think he was lucky to not get a quirk, he might've mastered it by now and might be even stronger than with All Might. I don't see how Bakugo works any harder than other heroes though and he's still one of the best fighters. Most of the time he just rages at people who are better than him anyway. Bakugo trained his ability for years now, everyone else who would have gotten it would have done the same. They would lose a limb as likely as Bakugo would. Deku only has that problem because he received that quirk that quickly and did not have any time to train it. He needs to use it in order to be successful at school after all. The only one you could say got even more lucky with his quirk might be Todoroki. To imply anybody else would more than double everyone else in the entrance exam, win the tournament, and top other physical challenges, and be Deku's #2 image second to All Might if they simply had his quirk and worked just as hard is extremely hard to believe. I'd argue that no matter the quirk Bakugo would strive to and be great because it's his nature just like Mirio. And yes but they would only lose a limb because of how great Bakugo himself has made the quirk. As for Shoto, i say it's more probable for him to have his quirk than Deku. Edit: You could argue that we would see way more cookie cutter quirks being at the top, but for someone to excel as much as Bakugo i'd definitely say he's an exception. Same with Shoto considering the genetics and personal training from the #2 hero. |
LunilahDec 17, 2018 3:34 AM
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Lunilah said: Gator said: There's nothing random about Bakugo getting a quirk when over 80% of the population has one, i probably should have been clear about that. All the events transpiring for Deku being nothing short of a miracle still stands, he also was picked from the moment he tried to saved Bakugo, not after training as he was already going to get it. There is nothing i can remember to indicate your opinion of Deku being as strong as All Might if he had the power since he was born, as All Might himself had to close the gap and then go beyond in making it his own, as Deku will have to.What's random about Allmight giving it to him? He chose him to be his successor, I see nothing random about that. His encounter with him was random though. I don't think he was lucky to not get a quirk, he might've mastered it by now and might be even stronger than with All Might. I don't see how Bakugo works any harder than other heroes though and he's still one of the best fighters. Most of the time he just rages at people who are better than him anyway. Bakugo trained his ability for years now, everyone else who would have gotten it would have done the same. They would lose a limb as likely as Bakugo would. Deku only has that problem because he received that quirk that quickly and did not have any time to train it. He needs to use it in order to be successful at school after all. The only one you could say got even more lucky with his quirk might be Todoroki. To imply anybody else would more than double everyone else in the entrance exam, win the tournament, and top other physical challenges, and be Deku's #2 image second to All Might if they simply had his quirk and worked just as hard is extremely hard to believe. I'd argue that no matter the quirk Bakugo would strive to and be great because it's his nature. And yes but they would only lose a limb because of how great Bakugo himself has made the quirk. As for Shoto, i say it's more probable for him to have his quirk than Deku. I never said anything about someone being lucky to get a quirk in the first place, just what kind of quirk. I also never said anything about him being as strong as All Might, I just said he would probably be stronger than himself after getting that new power. What physical challenges did he top in which he did not use his quirk to come out ahead? Deku admires literally everyone, that's not really an achievement imo. I can't imagine Bakugo even trying to become a hero with Ochako's power. I would like to hear your reason for that. My reason is that Todoroki was born into those two powers, so he had no control over getting it. On the other hand Deku wasn't born with his power, but instead received it because of his personality and willpower. |
Gator said: You just denied this statement by saying this:Well first of all I never even mentioned Deku, so I never denied that he did not get lucky with his quirk either. Gator said: But Deku certainly did not get lucky, since his quirk was given to him on purpose from someone who saw potential in him. So that would be everything but lucky. Anyways, now let's get to the point. Deku was very lucky to even get his quirk from All Might. Wanna know how? I'm a manga reader that's how. In the fourth season it'll be revealed why. If you want I can spoil it to you. Gator said: Bakugo relies 100% on his perk while other heroes also used martial arts in some situations. Nope, he doesn't. Your criticism is stupid. Go re-watch both of the seasons with paying much more attention. Gator said: Most of the time he just tries to blast away his opponent and that's it, just because he uses it sometimes to evade attacks I don't see him as a prodigy. How many times have we even seen him fighting? Now again you're wrong, you're only taking some of his fights. Nah, you aren't even taking everything he does in a fight into account. You're only taking Uraraka vs Bakugo into account. Which again is stupid, since he was only blasting her away due to her quirk. Now saying this due to that is absurd. And I'd appreciate it you re-watched all the two seasons and then watch the 3rd season, since you haven't watched that either. Gator said: Others used their quirks in a much more creative way. Is this supposed to be a criticism or an opinion? If it's just an opinion then I'll just ignore it. |
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Gator said: Okay it's still a way more probable scenario for Bakugo to get that quirk from his 2 parents. I was under the impression that because you said you don't think he's lucky to not get a quirk that you meant if he had it to begin with he might be stronger, but if i was wrong my stance on Deku having to push past it after he closes the gap just like All Might did will happen and i agree. But until then he's only closing the gap.Lunilah said: There's nothing random about Bakugo getting a quirk when over 80% of the population has one, i probably should have been clear about that. All the events transpiring for Deku being nothing short of a miracle still stands, he also was picked from the moment he tried to saved Bakugo, not after training as he was already going to get it. There is nothing i can remember to indicate your opinion of Deku being as strong as All Might if he had the power since he was born, as All Might himself had to close the gap and then go beyond in making it his own, as Deku will have to. To imply anybody else would more than double everyone else in the entrance exam, win the tournament, and top other physical challenges, and be Deku's #2 image second to All Might if they simply had his quirk and worked just as hard is extremely hard to believe. I'd argue that no matter the quirk Bakugo would strive to and be great because it's his nature. And yes but they would only lose a limb because of how great Bakugo himself has made the quirk. As for Shoto, i say it's more probable for him to have his quirk than Deku. I never said anything about someone being lucky to get a quirk in the first place, just what kind of quirk. I also never said anything about him being as strong as All Might, I just said he would probably be stronger than himself after getting that new power. What physical challenges did he top in which he did not use his quirk to come out ahead? Deku admires literally everyone, that's not really an achievement imo. I can't imagine Bakugo even trying to become a hero with Ochako's power. I would like to hear your reason for that. My reason is that Todoroki was born into those two powers, so he had no control over getting it. On the other hand Deku wasn't born with his power, but instead received it because of his personality and willpower. Quirks aren't magic, they're physical extensions of oneself. The rest of this line reads as conjecture. Because the likely hood of a child eventually being born with both their parents quirks culminating is far more probable than being Deku getting All Mights power. It doesn't matter the reason why Deku got the quirk, just the probability. |
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KatsutoSaki said: Gator said: You just denied this statement by saying this:Well first of all I never even mentioned Deku, so I never denied that he did not get lucky with his quirk either. Gator said: But Deku certainly did not get lucky, since his quirk was given to him on purpose from someone who saw potential in him. So that would be everything but lucky. Anyways, now let's get to the point. Deku was very lucky to even get his quirk from All Might. Wanna know how? I'm a manga reader that's how. In the fourth season it'll be revealed why. If you want I can spoil it to you. Gator said: Bakugo relies 100% on his perk while other heroes also used martial arts in some situations. Nope, he doesn't. Your criticism is stupid. Go re-watch both of the seasons with paying much more attention. Gator said: Most of the time he just tries to blast away his opponent and that's it, just because he uses it sometimes to evade attacks I don't see him as a prodigy. How many times have we even seen him fighting? Now again you're wrong, you're only taking some of his fights. Nah, you aren't even taking everything he does in a fight into account. You're only taking Uraraka vs Bakugo into account. Which again is stupid, since he was only blasting her away due to her quirk. Now saying this due to that is absurd. And I'd appreciate it you re-watched all the two seasons and then watch the 3rd season, since you haven't watched that either. Gator said: Others used their quirks in a much more creative way. Is this supposed to be a criticism or an opinion? If it's just an opinion then I'll just ignore it. Yes? But I did not deny it before, so that's all I was saying. I was not the one who started talking about Deku, who isn't really the topic here. No spoilers please, I haven't even watched the third season. Also just telling me to rewatch stuff (which I obviously won't do since I'm not invested enough in this discussion to waste that much time on it) without bringing any real arguments isn't really helpful. And you are free to ignore anything I say. Lunilah said: Gator said: Okay it's still a way more probable scenario for Bakugo to get that quirk from his 2 parents. I was under the impression that because you said you don't think he's lucky to not get a quirk that you meant if he had it to begin with he might be stronger, but if i was wrong my stance on Deku having to push past it after he closes the gap just like All Might did will happen and i agree. But until then he's only closing the gap.I never said anything about someone being lucky to get a quirk in the first place, just what kind of quirk. I also never said anything about him being as strong as All Might, I just said he would probably be stronger than himself after getting that new power. What physical challenges did he top in which he did not use his quirk to come out ahead? Deku admires literally everyone, that's not really an achievement imo. I can't imagine Bakugo even trying to become a hero with Ochako's power. I would like to hear your reason for that. My reason is that Todoroki was born into those two powers, so he had no control over getting it. On the other hand Deku wasn't born with his power, but instead received it because of his personality and willpower. Quirks aren't magic, they're physical extensions of oneself. The rest of this line reads as conjecture. Because the likely hood of a child eventually being born with both their parents quirks culminating is far more probable than being Deku getting All Mights power. It doesn't matter the reason why Deku got the quirk, just the probability. Why? What has Bakugo done to get his quirk? Nothing, he has just been born. That's it. Deku actually did something to receive his quirk. Of course Deku is only trying to close the gap right now, it's a pretty damn huge gap though. I think we exhausted the points we agree on though, guess we just disagree on the rest. Thanks for the discussion though. |
GatorDec 17, 2018 3:55 AM
Gator said: Highly probable meaning the opposite of random, not odd but an expected outcome. The power of his quirk is solely due to his own ability and intellect, insinuating anybody could do that is disingenuous to the story as he is not written as a plot device, he's written with clear motives and personality.Why? What has Bakugo done to get his quirk? Nothing, he has just been born. That's it. Deku actually did something to receive his quirk. Of course Deku is only trying to close the gap right now, it's a pretty damn huge gap though. I think we exhausted the points we agree on though, guess we just disagree on the rest. Thanks for the discussion though. I'm far too stubborn for that. |
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Lunilah said: Highly probable meaning the opposite of random, not odd but an expected outcome. The power of his quirk is solely due to his own ability and intellect, insinuating anybody could do that is disingenuous to the story as he is not written as a plot device, he's written with clear motives and personality. I'm far too stubborn for that. Well he certainly has a clear personality, I'm not sure about his motives though. He wants to become a hero, is there anything else to it? Because that's literally what everyone else wants as well. Fair enough. |
Gator said: No spoilers please, I haven't even watched the third season. Already know it. Gator said: Also just telling me to rewatch stuff (which I obviously won't do since I'm not invested enough in this discussion to waste that much time on it) without bringing any real arguments isn't really helpful. Claiming how Bakugo relies 100% on his quirk without bringing any real arguments isn't really helpful either. I'm telling you to re-watch it because I know you're wrong, I've re-watched the whole series several times to the point I remember every single scene. Plus, I'm not interested in wasting my time by proving every single thing, when I already know you're wrong, since this is just a mistake, not even a "criticism". Also already told you that Bakugo blasted away Uraraka during the tournament due to her quirk. Bakugo blasting away Uraraka =/= he always blasts away people with sometimes evading too. I already said to also watch the 3rd season, since you're terribly wrong about this anyway. Gator said: And you are free to ignore anything I say. That's what I already plan to do from the beginning. |
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Gator said: Everyone wants to become a hero, lots of people want to be All Might, but only Deku and Bakugo* have been developed and demonstrated personally as wanting to be as good or better than All Might.Lunilah said: Highly probable meaning the opposite of random, not odd but an expected outcome. The power of his quirk is solely due to his own ability and intellect, insinuating anybody could do that is disingenuous to the story as he is not written as a plot device, he's written with clear motives and personality. I'm far too stubborn for that. Well he certainly has a clear personality, I'm not sure about his motives though. He wants to become a hero, is there anything else to it? Because that's literally what everyone else wants as well. Fair enough. As for his personality and motives, i presumed you already saw all 3 seasons, but the bulk have already been explained in the first 2 but there is a lack of context of character development from season 3. Edit: To jump on Katsuto's point on Bakugo relying on his quirk, the physical extent of his power is as i've already said due only to his own ability, and i've already touched on his ingenuity as he rarely uses just the raw power of blowing things away. The majority of his use of the quirk and his special moves are intelligently devised methods to both have spacial control and situational attacks, not to mention Deku copying his hand to hand tactics as Bakugo is demonstrated and stated as a combat wiz. Edit2: @Gator, fixed typo. When i think about it, Bakugo uses his quirk the most dynamically out of anybody in the show. |
LunilahDec 17, 2018 4:24 AM
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KatsutoSaki said: Claiming how Bakugo relies 100% on his quirk without bringing any real arguments isn't really helpful either. I'm telling you to re-watch it because I know you're wrong, I've re-watched the whole series several times to the point I remember every single scene. Plus, I'm not interested in wasting my time by proving every single thing, when I already know you're wrong, since this is just a mistake, not even a "criticism". Also already told you that Bakugo blasted away Uraraka during the tournament due to her quirk. Bakugo blasting away Uraraka =/= he always blasts away people with sometimes evading too. I already said to also watch the 3rd season, since you're terribly wrong about this anyway. I already brought arguments, every point he earned in school he got with his quirk. At least every one that I remember, you are free to prove me wrong. Throwing a ball? Quirk. Getting somewhere fast? Quirk. So you just seem to say I'm wrong and that's it. I don't know why you even quoted my post if you don't wanna waste your time proving anything wrong I said. I also don't know why you focus on the Uraraka fight so much, feel free to tell me what smart things he did in his other fights in season 2. Lunilah said: Everyone wants to become a hero, lots of people want to be All Might, but only Deku and Midoriya have been developed and demonstrated personally as wanting to be as good or better than All Might. As for his personality and motives, i presumed you already saw all 3 seasons, but the bulk have already been explained in the first 2 but there is a lack of context of character development from season 3. I still think it's a rather generic motivation though, I don't see why another person couldn't have the same determination as Bakugo with this. For example Ochako has a more personal reason which helps her grow. Yeah I haven't watched season 3 so far, but I think two seasons are enough to have a valid opinion on a character, so I replied in this thread anyway. I just rewatched his fight with Todoroki since Katsuto said I only focused on the fight again Ochako. And he literally came two times straight at him only to evade one time. I don't see how he's not trying to just using his raw power everytime to win. As I already said, feel free to provide exampls from the first two seasons to prove me otherwise, I'm not saying I remember every single fight from him. @Lunilah Updated my reply. |
GatorDec 17, 2018 4:32 AM
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Gator said: Deku and Bakugo share that generic motivation in an ungeneric group of students, as everyone else have different motivations and drives for what they want to do. For example for some of the main supporting characters, Ochako wants money to help her parents, Iida wants to be like his brother, Kirishima wants to be like Crimson Riot, and Shoto just wants to be his own person iirc.Lunilah said: Everyone wants to become a hero, lots of people want to be All Might, but only Deku and Midoriya have been developed and demonstrated personally as wanting to be as good or better than All Might. As for his personality and motives, i presumed you already saw all 3 seasons, but the bulk have already been explained in the first 2 but there is a lack of context of character development from season 3. I still think it's a rather generic motivation though, I don't see why another person couldn't have the same determination as Bakugo with this. For example Ochako has a more personal reason which helps her grow. Yeah I haven't watched season 3 so far, but I think two seasons are enough to have a valid opinion on a character, so I replied in this thread anyway. I just rewatched his fight with Todoroki since Katsuto said I only focused on the fight again Ochako. And he literally came two times straight at him only to evade one time. I don't see how he's not trying to just using his raw power everytime to win. As I already said, feel free to provide exampls from the first two seasons to prove me otherwise, I'm not saying I remember every single fight from him. @Lunilah Updated my reply. That fight with Shoto is a prime example of him not being blast blast blast, as he uses his blasts to spacially overwhelm and annoy Shoto for the instigation of using his left side, not only that but his special move Howitzer Impact's basis is about momentum and to get that he has to make himself into a tornado while blasting himself forward to challenge his left side with overwhelming force. It's not single blasts like he did with Ochako, like i said he's very situational. He has a lot more abilities that get developed on screen and off screen in season 3, as everyone goes through a special move class. |
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Lunilah said: Deku and Bakugo share that generic motivation in an ungeneric group of students, as everyone else have different motivations and drives for what they want to do. For example for some of the main supporting characters, Ochako wants money to help her parents, Iida wants to be like his brother, Kirishima wants to be like Crimson Riot, and Shoto just wants to be his own person iirc. That fight with Shoto is a prime example of him not being blast blast blast, as he uses his blasts to spacially overwhelm and annoy Shoto for the instigation of using his left side, not only that but his special move Howitzer Impact's basis is about momentum and to get that he has to make himself into a tornado while blasting himself forward to challenge his left side with overwhelming force. It's not single blasts like he did with Ochako, like i said he's very situational. He has a lot more abilities that get developed on screen and off screen in season 3, as everyone goes through a special move class. But the motivation to become a hero is as generic as it gets, since we can assume that 90% of the students have that motivation. Also Kirishima has the same motivation as Deku and Bakugo who want to be like All Might. That special move also relied on the raw power of his quirk, it was just a direct attack without any special thinking going into it imo. I just don't see how he would fight like that with any other quirk, apart from Todoroki's maybe. His power just seem to be the one you have to put the least amount of effort into to get some good attacks out of it. Well looking forward to see that then. |
Gator said: Well yeah, it's super generic but i can't change that. Their resolve is insanely strong as well, Bakugo's is a lot more developed due to his superiority complex and why he got it. Most of the reason why his personality is so shitty is because he's so smart and worked so hard that he never had to struggle against anybody except for himself, so the idea of being so ahead of everyone else to close the gap against his idol being wrong is a major jab to his ego, only strengthening his motivation to more closer goals more intensely.Lunilah said: Deku and Bakugo share that generic motivation in an ungeneric group of students, as everyone else have different motivations and drives for what they want to do. For example for some of the main supporting characters, Ochako wants money to help her parents, Iida wants to be like his brother, Kirishima wants to be like Crimson Riot, and Shoto just wants to be his own person iirc. That fight with Shoto is a prime example of him not being blast blast blast, as he uses his blasts to spacially overwhelm and annoy Shoto for the instigation of using his left side, not only that but his special move Howitzer Impact's basis is about momentum and to get that he has to make himself into a tornado while blasting himself forward to challenge his left side with overwhelming force. It's not single blasts like he did with Ochako, like i said he's very situational. He has a lot more abilities that get developed on screen and off screen in season 3, as everyone goes through a special move class. But the motivation to become a hero is as generic as it gets, since we can assume that 90% of the students have that motivation. Also Kirishima has the same motivation as Deku and Bakugo who want to be like All Might. That special move also relied on the raw power of his quirk, it was just a direct attack without any special thinking going into it imo. I just don't see how he would fight like that with any other quirk, apart from Todoroki's maybe. His power just seem to be the one you have to put the least amount of effort into to get some good attacks out of it. Well looking forward to see that then. I would be disappointed if it didn't rely on the developed (not raw) power of his quirk as it's a finisher-type move. But i feel you're denying Bakugo's spatial* prowess, as he wouldn't be able to do anything to this extent if not for it. It's not just that, he literally fly's with his power in the other competitions, and uses a stun grenade against Tokoyami, even against Ochako he's not just throwing blasts he's carving up the ground to throw debris at her, it just happens that she was so clever to use that against him. In comparison, this is more than anybody else has done with their quirk and this isn't even counting season 3. |
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Lunilah said: Well yeah, it's super generic but i can't change that. Their resolve is insanely strong as well, Bakugo's is a lot more developed due to his superiority complex and why he got it. Most of the reason why his personality is so shitty is because he's so smart and worked so hard that he never had to struggle against anybody except for himself, so the idea of being so ahead of everyone else to close the gap against his idol being wrong is a major jab to his ego, only furthering his motivation to more closer goals more intensely. I would be disappointed if it didn't rely on the developed (not raw) power of his quirk as it's a finisher-type move. But i feel you're denying Bakugo's spatial* prowess, as he wouldn't be able to do anything to this extent if not for it. It's not just that, he literally fly's with his power in the other competitions, and uses a stun grenade against Tokoyami, even against Ochako he's not just throwing blasts he's carving up the ground to throw debris at her, it just happens that she was so clever to use that against him. In comparison, this is more than anybody else has done with their quirk and this isn't even counting season 3. Which is why his motivation isn't really something that puts him ahead of other people, that's all I wanted to say. Were there any examples how hard he worked before he entered the academy? I don't remember them mentioning that he did anything for gaining his superiority complex except having his quirk. You're making some good points here, he did indeed have some creative attacks as well like that stun gernade or the debris I have forgotten about. I disagree that it's more than anybody else has done with their quirks though. Ochako comes to mind who had to put a lot of though into how to make her quirk suitable for fighting. And of course Momo who needs to be creative with a power like that, there isn't really much choice for her. I would put Bakugo rather in a category with people like Midnight and Deku whose quirks are easy to use in battle (in case of Deku once he manages to control it). |
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Gator said: The only motivation i really care about is Ochako's and Shoto. I think Ochako because in western culture it's a lot less prevalent to have such hard working ethic instilled in kids, to support not only themselves but their family. Shoto for personal reasons. But Bakugo and Deku are really just classic main character stuff. But their resolve is obviously what's reinforced.Lunilah said: Well yeah, it's super generic but i can't change that. Their resolve is insanely strong as well, Bakugo's is a lot more developed due to his superiority complex and why he got it. Most of the reason why his personality is so shitty is because he's so smart and worked so hard that he never had to struggle against anybody except for himself, so the idea of being so ahead of everyone else to close the gap against his idol being wrong is a major jab to his ego, only furthering his motivation to more closer goals more intensely. I would be disappointed if it didn't rely on the developed (not raw) power of his quirk as it's a finisher-type move. But i feel you're denying Bakugo's spatial* prowess, as he wouldn't be able to do anything to this extent if not for it. It's not just that, he literally fly's with his power in the other competitions, and uses a stun grenade against Tokoyami, even against Ochako he's not just throwing blasts he's carving up the ground to throw debris at her, it just happens that she was so clever to use that against him. In comparison, this is more than anybody else has done with their quirk and this isn't even counting season 3. Which is why his motivation isn't really something that puts him ahead of other people, that's all I wanted to say. Were there any examples how hard he worked before he entered the academy? I don't remember them mentioning that he did anything for gaining his superiority complex except having his quirk. You're making some good points here, he did indeed have some creative attacks as well like that stun gernade or the debris I have forgotten about. I disagree that it's more than anybody else has done with their quirks though. Ochako comes to mind who had to put a lot of though into how to make her quirk suitable for fighting. And of course Momo who needs to be creative with a power like that, there isn't really much choice for her. I would put Bakugo rather in a category with people like Midnight and Deku whose quirks are easy to use in battle (in case of Deku once he manages to control it). I can't put Momo over Bakugo as she only has to rely on intellectual use (shes the smartest academically in the class after all) of creations rather than practical application of strategy or tactics, for example all Shoto does is burn and freeze, and although obvious but surfing on your ice is an example of dynamic use of power (Endeavor comes to mind for dynamic use of his fire in season 2 during the Stain arc). As for Ochako it's the same as Momo but i think if we saw more of Momo we would see more intelligent strategy with the use of her creations rather than reactionary responses to problems, and Ochako for wonderful tactics with hiding behind things rather than taking advantage of a situation that Bakugo caused with dust. As there is a difference between intellect and how you use that intellect in conjunction with your quirk. Edit: Hence why Bakugo is demonstrated and stated as a combat guru. |
LunilahDec 17, 2018 5:22 AM
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Lunilah said: The only motivation i really care about is Ochako's and Shoto. I think Ochako because in western culture it's a lot less prevalent to have such hard working ethic instilled in kids, to support not only themselves but their family. Shoto for personal reasons. But Bakugo and Deku are really just classic main character stuff. But their resolve is obviously what's reinforced. I can't put Momo over Bakugo as she only has to rely on intellectual use (shes the smartest academically in the class after all) of creations rather than practical application of strategy or tactics, for example all Shoto does is burn and freeze, and although obvious but surfing on your ice is an example of dynamic use of power (Endeavor comes to mind for dynamic use of his fire in season 2 during the Stain arc). As for Ochako it's the same as Momo but i think if we saw more of Momo we would see more intelligent strategy with the use of her creations rather than reactionary responses to problems, and Ochako for wonderful tactics with hiding behind things rather than taking advantage of a situation that Bakugo caused with dust. As there is a difference between intellect and how you use that intellect in conjunction with your quirk. Edit: Hence why Bakugo is demonstrated and stated as a combat guru. I agree, Deku and Bakugo are pretty generic. Though Bakugo is a bigger asshole than the usual childhood friend of a protagonist. Even Gary Oack with his superiority complex did not tell Ash that he would kill him. Deku is alright, seen better MCs and seen worse. Unfortunately Momo did not get that much screentime when it comes to fighting. But in her few fights she had some quick thinking moments which led to practical usages, like with that blanket which protected them from electricity. Todoroki I put into the same category as Bakugo as I said before, he doesn't have to think too hard about how he fights either. With Ochako I completely disagree, to me every time she uses her ability to fight is more creative and smart than anything Bakugo has done so far. Her fight against Bakugo is a prime example for that, once again Bakugo only one because of the raw power of his quirk which was able to destroy the debris. |
Gator said: Well if you count it up, i'd definitely say Bakugo outnumbers every other student for dynamic use. I'm not saying Ochako isn't smart, i'm saying because of her quirk she is far more limited in creative application of her quirk and it shows.Lunilah said: The only motivation i really care about is Ochako's and Shoto. I think Ochako because in western culture it's a lot less prevalent to have such hard working ethic instilled in kids, to support not only themselves but their family. Shoto for personal reasons. But Bakugo and Deku are really just classic main character stuff. But their resolve is obviously what's reinforced. I can't put Momo over Bakugo as she only has to rely on intellectual use (shes the smartest academically in the class after all) of creations rather than practical application of strategy or tactics, for example all Shoto does is burn and freeze, and although obvious but surfing on your ice is an example of dynamic use of power (Endeavor comes to mind for dynamic use of his fire in season 2 during the Stain arc). As for Ochako it's the same as Momo but i think if we saw more of Momo we would see more intelligent strategy with the use of her creations rather than reactionary responses to problems, and Ochako for wonderful tactics with hiding behind things rather than taking advantage of a situation that Bakugo caused with dust. As there is a difference between intellect and how you use that intellect in conjunction with your quirk. Edit: Hence why Bakugo is demonstrated and stated as a combat guru. I agree, Deku and Bakugo are pretty generic. Though Bakugo is a bigger asshole than the usual childhood friend of a protagonist. Even Gary Oack with his superiority complex did not tell Ash that he would kill him. Deku is alright, seen better MCs and seen worse. Unfortunately Momo did not get that much screentime when it comes to fighting. But in her few fights she had some quick thinking moments which led to practical usages, like with that blanket which protected them from electricity. Todoroki I put into the same category as Bakugo as I said before, he doesn't have to think too hard about how he fights either. With Ochako I completely disagree, to me every time she uses her ability to fight is more creative and smart than anything Bakugo has done so far. Her fight against Bakugo is a prime example for that, once again Bakugo only one because of the raw power of his quirk which was able to destroy the debris. |
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Lunilah said: Well if you count it up, i'd definitely say Bakugo outnumbers every other student for dynamic use. I'm not saying Ochako isn't smart, i'm saying because of her quirk she is far more limited in creative application of her quirk and it shows. I'd say when it comes to dynamic usage of quirks, Bakugo and Deku are on one level. Ochako is number one for me though for actually putting up a fight with her power against strong opponents. Momo is just forced to be creative because of her power. The rest of the class seems rather straightforward as well though. |
Gator said: Not sure i can see Deku's use amounting to the same as Bakugo. Smashing, concentrated force, and Full Cowl for maneuverability. As for Ochako i think she can definitely do a lot more if we see her quirk develop more, although i think it's main benefit is that of a support quirk, but it seems shes super keen on physical combat so she might be a sick martial artist and apply her self-gravity to her benefit. Maybe even have Ochako control weight entirely and have insane force punches. I'm sure we'll see Momo be more expressive with her ingenuity, like creating things to benefit her own actions.Lunilah said: Well if you count it up, i'd definitely say Bakugo outnumbers every other student for dynamic use. I'm not saying Ochako isn't smart, i'm saying because of her quirk she is far more limited in creative application of her quirk and it shows. I'd say when it comes to dynamic usage of quirks, Bakugo and Deku are on one level. Ochako is number one for me though for actually putting up a fight with her power against strong opponents. Momo is just forced to be creative because of her power. The rest of the class seems rather straightforward as well though. |
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Lunilah said: Not sure i can see Deku's use amounting to the same as Bakugo. Smashing, concentrated force, and Full Cowl for maneuverability. As for Ochako i think she can definitely do a lot more if we see her quirk develop more, although i think it's main benefit is that of a support quirk, but it seems shes super keen on physical combat so she might be a sick martial artist and apply her self-gravity to her benefit. Maybe even have Ochako control weight entirely and have insane force punches. I'm sure we'll see Momo be more expressive with her ingenuity, like creating things to benefit her own actions. When they were fighting against each other in that building, I would say Deku's usage was way smarter. Bakugo was quite surprised by it as well. Once Ochako would be able to control her own gravity for a long time, I think that's when she will be really really strong. Or if she gets stuff like black hole punches, but I doubt that would happen. Would be too strong. |
Gator said: In Deku vs Bakugo 1, season 1? That was just application of his intellect rather than use of his quirk, and a lot of that was Bakugo's own tactics that Deku copied.Lunilah said: Not sure i can see Deku's use amounting to the same as Bakugo. Smashing, concentrated force, and Full Cowl for maneuverability. As for Ochako i think she can definitely do a lot more if we see her quirk develop more, although i think it's main benefit is that of a support quirk, but it seems shes super keen on physical combat so she might be a sick martial artist and apply her self-gravity to her benefit. Maybe even have Ochako control weight entirely and have insane force punches. I'm sure we'll see Momo be more expressive with her ingenuity, like creating things to benefit her own actions. When they were fighting against each other in that building, I would say Deku's usage was way smarter. Bakugo was quite surprised by it as well. Once Ochako would be able to control her own gravity for a long time, I think that's when she will be really really strong. Or if she gets stuff like black hole punches, but I doubt that would happen. Would be too strong. |
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Lunilah said: In Deku vs Bakugo 1, season 1? That was just application of his intellect rather than use of his quirk, and a lot of that was Bakugo's own tactics that Deku copied. How was destroying the floor above him not using his quirk? Without the power of All Might he would never have been able to do it. |
Gator said: That's smashing and using it cleverly. For example Bakugo doesn't just explode, he uses himself as a rocket and can propel himself for physical or quirk attacks (clever use of being a rocket), maneuvers through the air almost like he has wings, he can blind you temporarily, and other things outside of S1/S2.Lunilah said: In Deku vs Bakugo 1, season 1? That was just application of his intellect rather than use of his quirk, and a lot of that was Bakugo's own tactics that Deku copied. How was destroying the floor above him not using his quirk? Without the power of All Might he would never have been able to do it. Edit: I just remembered that explosion for Shoto and Deku was solely because of Shoto, he could create explosions if he gets to regulate temperature better as he was so emotional hot and cold both went to extremes. Jesus christ, that's an easter egg if i've ever come across one. Let alone do everything his dad could in time. |
LunilahDec 17, 2018 6:24 AM
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BigBlueBash said: bigmustache93 said: Sasuke clone with anger management issues. He is actually a Naruto clone..with anger management issues. not really his role in the story is similar to sasuke which is being the main character's rival and foil,a naturally gifted individual who didn't work that hard to obtain strength,raw talent and pure genes. |
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| Good god, bakugou fans are so overly defensive. Sorry to break to you, but not everybody likes your fugly ass husbando and there are tons of better characters in battle shounen. |
DepravedMagi said: Bakugo isn't even in my top 3 characters for MHA, and if i recall you're the one who initiated discussion and then couldn't follow through with it. Sorry to break it to you, but you need to get off your high horse.Good god, bakugou fans are so overly defensive. Sorry to break to you, but not everybody likes your fugly ass husbando and there are tons of better characters in battle shounen. |
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| I couldn't care less about him. I don't like him, but I don't hate him. To me he's a boring character. His only personality trait is his pride... and I guess his violent nature. How is that interesting whatsoever? |
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| That he has the crude, arrogant, and aggressive personality that's already been done in like Inuyasha. Not to mention that he's generic, angsty shounen character that we've also seen in Naruto plus a fiercely competitive nature like Natsu. Therefore, his personality is nothing fresh or new to me, moving on. |
Kurt_Irving said: 100% agreed. I don’t understand how they call him realistic, well-written, complex, bla bla bla, when there’re far superior shounen characters out there.That he has the crude, arrogant, and aggressive personality that's already been done in like Inuyasha. Not to mention that he's generic, angsty shounen character that we've also seen in Naruto plus a fiercely competitive nature like Natsu. Therefore, his personality is nothing fresh or new to me, moving on. |
| he was shit boy in first two season but now it's not much. still he was a little shit in the first two season. It would be ok in fiction but if it was real anime that boy would have been slammed a long time ago and he'd have no friends. |
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