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Bassani said: WyNdZ said: Just a tip: the community in general accepts "he" or "she" for Mutsuki, since it doesn't really looks like she cares about what gender to identify as anymore.Here's to hoping that Kaneki ends Mutsuki like the trash she is but if I had to guess we'd get some stupid sacrifice by Mutsuki as some form of redemption. Haha that's a nice observation, I would have never realised such a thing. Mustuki is a female and she accepts it now as well otherwise she wouldn't have that huge crush on Kaneki and wish to be his wife. This gender pronoun thing is getting old |
| Can I just say how much I love Saiko? Hm that was all it took? Figured it take more to stop her crazy ass. |
LunarPisces1Jan 20, 2018 10:52 AM
Cyborg_Dragon said: James_xeno said: oh **** would that be retarded.. It would pretty much make the whole series meaningless and pointless. The only way that could be pulled off without being totally ridiculous in the end, would be if we actually got completely NON ambiguous lasting (i.e. permanent) super peace from it somehow. With the ending more than just spelling it out or hinting at such. Which, while I do think it's already started down that road, is very VERY unlikely. And man, if you thought edgelords and "realists" (realism = grimdark) are bitching a lot about a lack of body count or romance, shounening up the series now..... lol Because remember.. A light and or happy series is pretty much always able to do the tragic/sad/depressing/bittersweet ending, ruin the theme and get praised for it.. But the dark and edgy series... not so much the other way around.. :/ edit: sorry about the rant.. happens when i'm low on sleep.. lol -_-' Some people think that making everything pointless and meaningless would be good writing as its daring and trolling (I would just see it as despair porn). Mind telling me where you guys got your Dramaturgy dregree? Since when turning a story into a Tragedy (as in, having a 'bad ending') rather than a Comedy ('good ending') is bad writing? Ishida has no obligation whatsoever as a writer to solve the problem between Ghouls and humans he presented, nor give Kaneki personal satisfaction with whatever outcome his journey brings. Ghouls and humans being friendly or still hostile towards eachother and Kaneki finding happiness or being miserable (dying or not in both cases). Any combination of this outcomes is valid in writing standpoint. Having a bias by wanting an ending "worthy" all the suffering or whatever happened throughout the story is your (the reader) own problem. But i have to say i don't beleive the chances of this manga ending in full Tragedy are high (would get at most one of the bad alternatives), since Ishida is probably influenced by the Publisher to some point, and the Publisher cares about the reader bias. |
TsuyoiOuji said: Cyborg_Dragon said: Some people think that making everything pointless and meaningless would be good writing as its daring and trolling (I would just see it as despair porn). Mind telling me where you guys got your Dramaturgy dregree? Since when turning a story into a Tragedy (as in, having a 'bad ending') rather than a Comedy ('good ending') is bad writing? Ishida has no obligation whatsoever as a writer to solve the problem between Ghouls and humans he presented, nor give Kaneki personal satisfaction with whatever outcome his journey brings. Ghouls and humans being friendly or still hostile towards eachother and Kaneki finding happiness or being miserable (dying or not in both cases). Any combination of this outcomes is valid in writing standpoint. Having a bias by wanting an ending "worthy" all the suffering or whatever happened throughout the story is your (the reader) own problem. But i have to say i don't beleive the chances of this manga ending in full Tragedy are high (would get at most one of the bad alternatives), since Ishida is probably influenced by the Publisher to some point, and the Publisher cares about the reader bias. I should be asking where you got yours? judging by your previous forum post you seem to have tragedy boner and want things to be 100% tragic for the sake of it. There is a difference between good tragedy and pointless tragedy. pointless tragedy is tragic for the sake of being tragic if its just everyone died nothing changes then that pretty boring and makes :re look like a waste of time when you could of acted like Tokyo Ghoul was the end. Example of good tragedy Fate/Zero: Example of pointless tragedy Kings Game: Example of good tragedy where everyone dies Devilman/Devilman Crybaby: Mature series or seinens don't have to automatically have bad endings to be mature (looks at welcome to the NHK(Seinan tag same as TG) and Gantz(tragedy manga)) I believe Ishidas tragedies have to have a point considering he references to fools journey for the whole manga. You accuse everyone of being bias yet your tragedy bonor creates a bias where you think anything that is not everyone dying for the sake of shock or for the sake of being tragic is Ishida being influenced by his editors. |
Cyborg_DragonJan 21, 2018 3:11 PM
Cyborg_Dragon said: I should be asking where you got yours? judging by your previous forum post you seem to have tragedy boner and want things to be 100% tragic for the sake of it. Cyborg_Dragon said: You accuse everyone of being bias yet your tragedy bonor creates a bias where you think anything that is not everyone dying for the sake of shock or for the sake of being tragic is Ishida being influenced by his editors. On my only other post I said one character could very well be dead while 2 others would be alive and happy, but i guess that makes me a tragedy sucker that wants the whole cast to die and says this will be a garbage manga if anyone remains untouched. Yeah sure. And the post in this topic had nothing to do with "characters should die for this to be a good manga" either. The most I approached the 'death' theme was by saying Kaneki may or may not die, in either case of solving the story problem and finding personal satisfaction or not. By the amount of information we have, Kaneki's death is ver plausible regardless of the outcome. And btw, my personal wish is for Kaneki to stay alive and happy, since you didn't notice it on your shallow background check, as i find most of the characters likeable and want them to do well too. But if Ishida keeps on overusing this "high tension momentos" just so plot armor can take its place, i'd have some characters die rather than this manga become a cliche american policial series where every ****ing episode there is some dangerous shit that could blow up the whole city but you know they will solve it with a few scratches at most. (or like, most fantasy fightning shounen mangas from Jump where you don't read 500 chapters, you read 1 chapter 500 times...) Also, the whole point of my last post was to not let yourselves think that, just because Kaneki suffered the whole manga he deserves happiness, or after everything Furuta did humans and ghouls should be friendly towards eachother, and anything that doesn't follow that is "pointless and bad writing". This story can end in full tradegy without people dying. And again, talking about the Story Problem (Humans x Ghouls) and the Protagonist Self-Satisfaction (Kaneki), not about every single character's resolution. We can have the war still ongoing, but as a stupid example, idk, Ghouls would find exile somewhere where they discover something to eat in substitution of human flesh, but prejudice still exists regardless. This way the whole crew can still be alive, most characters, either humans or ghouls, live peacefully in their own worlds with minor incidents happening here and there, but for some reason Kaneki doesn't feel fulfilled because something happened in the process. This would still be considered a full tragedy because the main points of the story were not positive, even tho most characters would be happy and alive. People would still bitch about the whole thing being meaningless from the war/Kaneki standpoint? Yes, but it is not bad writing just because it went against whatever ppl think it is the "deserved" outcome. (there IS a lot of room for bad writing on HOW we get to that point, but not simply because the outcome was chosen to be negative instead of positive) |
TsuyoiOujiJan 23, 2018 3:19 AM
| (70 chapters of uninterrupted tokyo-ghoul.re, as awesome as it reads) regarding the mutsuki ark ending on one hand for someone to snap out of it, sometimes it only requires a slap....a damn hard one, maybe the kindness acted as one, but while "I want it all to be the way it was before I was horribly tortured within every inch of my life throughout my whole life" could drive someone to the wrong pursue of happiness, to snap out of it in three pages and end up on a suicide attempt and a "I'm so sorry".... it feels cheap it let me unsatisfied and I liked how Mutsuki was shown to go off the deep end -although the crazy romance tone I'm not so sure about. |
| So much screaming in this chapter. |
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| LMAO! After all the shitty things Mutsuki did, after all those people she killed, she's now forgiven? That's far-fetched right there! But there's nothing we can do! We are talking about one of the most overrated manga right here! Everyone were anticipating Mutsuki's death. She's messed up in the head and just deserves to die. But no! She just have to be spared for the sake of friendship! Duhh!!! The world is better off without her really! |
 She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
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