Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
| Because Balls. Just word play on his name Ba Ru Su - Su Ba Ru https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anagram Ram is a secret troll. |
Raven_WingzAug 1, 2016 12:44 PM
| subaru is a great character one in a milion him stupid acction are justified. he have a good reason, he even ask rem to leave with him that made me happy. and the fact that he just started hating him self just made him like any other human that after alot of shit just can break out. (most of them give up and suicide for example) in his case it isn't even possible what so ever now he know that if he wont save emilia puk will destroy this world so he will die even if he do nothing probably. even if he gave up he is forced to try again or to die a thousnd times. well his situation is insane. and i think he still have chance with rem but i was rly sad that he rejected her. but also mad that she rejected his offer tho probably they wouldn't live long enough due to world end. subaru is just a great characted that we can see in them every human that got trouble or even relate to them that every one have a time when they will try to give up. subaru is defenetly one of the best characters that i ever seen as well as rem. |
| I like Subaru too. Definitely not as much as Rem does, but I find him a breath of fresh air compared to your OP'd protagonist. Jotakak said: For anyone who hates Subaru, Rem hates you more. All Rem fanboys should read this. This man speaks the truth |
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SigOpram said: Well take Shinji from NGE then instead. You know what I meanHaXXspetten said: I think he's a character you love to hate. He's bad in a good way. Kind of like Makoto from School Days to some extent It's nice to see someone so humanly flawed rather than a blatant self-insert protag or a gary stu for once I think something went wrong when you compared Subaru to a borderline hentai/hentai character like Makoto in School Days. |
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Hongu said: Yes yes he's a 'human' character or whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that his mental retardation is frustrating as hell. Kanade_chan said: Yeah, even tho its "human" to get depressed after all those event, but still, too weak to become a protagonist I would appreciate if you guys kindly butt out of this forum chat. I understand that you want to get your opinions across, but there are a million other forums that hate on Subaru so can you please kindly scooch over there? Is it too much to ask for Subaru fans to not hear about your constant self-proclaimed feelings about how you feel for him as a character? Frankly, I don't give a crap if you hate him or not. But I would like one forum to show that there are people who at least like him as a character. |
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And if you dont give a crap to my opinion, why you quote my comment and give some crap to it? Lol hooman P.s: thats how a forum works, at least Sorry I can't be as amazing and smart as you, Mr. Wonderful. I understand now that you can do no wrong for you are perfect, Mr. Wonderful. I'll be sure to take your advice on my next trip with the "hoomans," Mr. Wonderful.  |
Rayn3698Aug 2, 2016 2:48 AM
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Rayla said: Hongu said: Yes yes he's a 'human' character or whatever, but that doesn't change the fact that his mental retardation is frustrating as hell. Kanade_chan said: Yeah, even tho its "human" to get depressed after all those event, but still, too weak to become a protagonist I would appreciate if you guys kindly butt out of this forum chat. I understand that you want to get your opinions across, but there are a million other forums that hate on Subaru so can you please kindly scooch over there? Is it too much to ask for Subaru fans to not hear about your constant self-proclaimed feelings about how you feel for him as a character? Frankly, I don't give a crap if you hate him or not. But I would like one forum to show that there are people who at least like him as a character. levan86 said: count me in, i like the guy, if people dont agree with re zero being a deconstruction of isekai, i raise the point that subaru is the deconstruction of isekai's bullshit protag. just like what Sigopram said: People are like: We're tired of Gary Stus! People are like: We're tired of Overpowered MCs! People are like: We're tired of Depth-less MCs! People are like: We're tired of White in Shining Armor! People are like: We're tired of Self-Inserts! People are like: We're tired of Perfect Flawless MCs! Then the author decides to grant their wishes... People are like: Give back our Gary Stus! People are like: Give back our Overpowered MCs! People are like: Give back our Depth-less MCs! People are like: Give back our White in Shining Armor! People are like: Give back our Self-Inserts! People are like: Give back our Perfect Flawless MCs! If There Is No Struggle, There Is No Progress, but nahh people are too used to Gary stu's who can suddenly flip the table in his favor in 1 episode +1 guys. :) 100char |
| This guy is pure greatness! Not only did he shat on the generic shounen mc lead we have plenty of, he also recked the Rem fanbase hard. |
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| :/ I guess this just comes with age but, teenager otaku/neet characters that exhibit cringe are just not likeable characters. People are saying "oh he's so human" but no, he's not. He's what anime fans THINK are human representations, but due to their lack of real world experience they have no idea how off that statement is. I'm just laughing that the people here just think torture-porn shows how "human" a character is. |
| In regards to Emilia and Rem (and Subaru) These are spoilers for arc 3 (which'll hopefully be shown in future episodes) |
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| Surprised that none of the resident MAL Re:Zero haters have shown up. OT: I like Subaru because unlike most male MC's, he actually has flaws. And he's smart enough to recognize the fact that he is no where near perfect, and is willing to change. He's one of the most realistic and relatable characters I've seen. |
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EmpirenXD said: :/ I guess this just comes with age but, teenager otaku/neet characters that exhibit cringe are just not likeable characters. People are saying "oh he's so human" but no, he's not. He's what anime fans THINK are human representations, but due to their lack of real world experience they have no idea how off that statement is. I'm just laughing that the people here just think torture-porn shows how "human" a character is. hmm. i think by human, most comments i've seen are associating it with his actions, good or bad, driven by his emotions. like fear, anxiety, excitement, hope, sadness, anger, etc... i don't think ppl are saying "oh i would definitely want to die over and over. i could do it, too. yep i totally relate." lol |
| I can't really hate him that much since I was a retard back when I was young. It wasn't until I was saved (not in the anime sense) that I got myself out of being a retard. Well not as retard as Subaru though. But I dunno, maybe just as he is? And while I can solve the arcs in fewer attempts than he did as I am currently, I'm not confident about that back in my retarded days. Also: Oh, she looks a lot like Ram. Poor girl. May her soul rest in peace. |
kidlat020Aug 1, 2016 9:47 PM
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| Talking about realistic, not considered Satou Kazuma. He's probably not the most realistic MC out there, but at the very least much more realistic than Subaru, and he is likable (as he is very unashamed as well) He probably does everything right and make the story 10/10. |
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| Because most people are not masochists We watch a show for fun after a stressed RL, not because of some Hikikomori suffers abd torture over and over as he grow very little I got to admit its very interesting up to ep 12, sunce then it when down hill |
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EmpirenXD said: :/ I guess this just comes with age but, teenager otaku/neet characters that exhibit cringe are just not likeable characters. People are saying "oh he's so human" but no, he's not. He's what anime fans THINK are human representations, but due to their lack of real world experience they have no idea how off that statement is. I'm just laughing that the people here just think torture-porn shows how "human" a character is. And I'm here laughing at how ignorant and self-absorbed you are. |
Zackhario said: Haytin said: Did you not watch this last episode? Subaru is autistic as fuck for rejecting Rem. I use to like him but now I hate him. You do realise Subaru has feelings for Emilia, right? It would be "autistic" if he does accept Rem's feelings. After all that effort and dying over and over for Emilia, the show couldn't be anymore clear about Subaru's feelings. Nah after Rem died so many times for him it's unrealistic to think he still likes Emilia who just ditched him. |
rorimoe said: Talking about realistic, not considered Satou Kazuma. He's probably not the most realistic MC out there, but at the very least much more realistic than Subaru, and he is likable (as he is very unashamed as well) He probably does everything right and make the story 10/10. Because Kazuma have a useless goddes, chuuni wizard, Masochist crusader who always beside him no matter what happen ? Eh |
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Haytin said: Zackhario said: You do realise Subaru has feelings for Emilia, right? It would be "autistic" if he does accept Rem's feelings. After all that effort and dying over and over for Emilia, the show couldn't be anymore clear about Subaru's feelings. Nah after Rem died so many times for him it's unrealistic to think he still likes Emilia who just ditched him. uh.. that's not true. loving someone is not "unrealistic". and, what someone does for you doesn't need to factor into who you are in love with. idk why ppl think like that. emilia asked someone she cared about, who claimed to care about her, to trust her. to do her a favor. to not break a promise. subaru broke that promise without a second thought, although with good reason, considering everything he had been through. But, from emilia's point of view, subaru expects her to Blindly trust him, when he cannot trust her? anyone would be hurt by that. plus he said some awful things to emilia in the heat of the moment. she walked away bc he hurt her more than she has ever hurt him. plus, rem has killed subaru. <-- anyone remember that? is it unrealistic for him to be able to care for the same girl who once Slaughtered him? after what she did to him in the past, can he actually care about Rem? Absolutely. If Subaru can forgive someone who once killed him, he can get over the fact someone walked away. <-- which was partially his fault to begin with lol |
rorimoe said: Because most people are not masochists We watch a show for fun after a stressed RL, not because of some Hikikomori suffers abd torture over and over as he grow very little I got to admit its very interesting up to ep 12, sunce then it when down hill So the show is bad because you are too stressed IRL that you only want to watch happy shows with butterflies/rainbows and stuff? great logic!!! I like subaru so much so please don't compare him to shitty emo shinji... Subaru isn't a wimp quitter who masturbate on his hospitalized friend. |
lesterf1020 said: . Subaru has suffered multiple deaths and watched everyone he cares about brutally murdered several times. He has been killed and tortured by people he cared about. He is constantly humiliated and called worthless, weak and a mad man both directly and indirectly by everyone. No one knows what he suffers, he can't talk to anyone about it and there is no one who can see his struggle and offer him counsel. They can only see his pain and try to soothe him. That's one thing that annoys me with people defending Subaru: no he did not experience death multiple times. He never experienced death, because noone can. You can only experience things while you're alive. What he experienced was suffering, but most of his deaths were quite quick anyway, so he had not to experience it a lot before going back. As for the traumatizing effect of the time loop, well sure it must be hard psychologically, but at least he knows that there's a possibility to get out of the loop. From that aspect it's better than a Groundhog day scenario. Then there's the fact that he experience deaths from people he cares about. That is true it must be traumatizing. But what is worse, seeing your friends die several times knowing you will see them again, or experience the death of your friend one time knowing he'll never come back, and living with the fact that you might have saved them for the rest of your life? Also, I find it strange how the only qualities listed are that he"s "human" and "realistic". First of all, i don't find him realistic at all. Even if you accept the fact that he had traumatic experiences, the way he deals with it makes no sense, because there's absolutely no coherence in his reactions. One time he's depressed, then he's determined, then he has psychological breakdown, then it's gone and he wants to save everyone, then he realizes that he's useless even though he's been told that like 5 deaths earlier, then he wants to save everyone again. There's just no sense of logic, no progression in his behaviour. He just seems to react entirely different each time. I know people will say "well it's so traumatizing you don't know how you would react, that's because he's human", but that's just a cheap excuse. With that, you could just make him do anything, having a development that makes no sense and excuse everything by saying that he's traumatized. I would have enjoyed it if it was either progressive (become more and more depressed) or if he just had a clear breaking point. But as it is, it just doesn't make any sense. To me, that removes all the point of having a time loop; he doesn't have a clear evolution. He never learns from his past experiences (in episode 18, i thought he finally might heave learned something, but nope), and he never really evolves; he just goes from one state to another without real coherence. Even the relationship between the characters don't make sense. I can accept that he blindly fell for Emilia and grew an unhealthy obsession for her, because that's how he is. But his relationship with Rem doesn't make sense. He has a lot of times with her and Ram because of the time loops, and he grows to like them. Then, when Ram is killed, he finds out that Rem never trusted him and is ready to kill him without a single proof. Then just after that, he decides that he's ready to die to save Rem? I mean, okay he spent a lot of time with her through the time loops, but if I were to find that all the time I spent with someone was one big lie because she never trusted me, i certainly would be disappointed, and i certainly wouldn't die for that person. And it's the same for Rem towards Subaru; from her point of view, she's only known him for a very short time. And we know that during the first days she didn't trust him AT ALL. Then suddenly, she goes from suspecting him to becoming crazy in love with him, so obsessed that she's ready to disobey her master to follow Subaru. All of that because he tried to save her (although didn't do much at all). That's really going from one extreme to the other without any reason. Not to mention that most of the time, because of his previous loops, Subaru acts completely weird, talks nonsense and yells at her for no reason (from her point of view). And i also don't agree either with the argument that he's a good character because he's not a Gary Stu, or that people hate him for this reason. Just look at the MMORPG-world anime we got this winter season (Grimgar, Konosuba, Gate), none of them had Gary Stu MC. In fact, all of them had MC that were weak (both physically and intellectually), human and flawed. Yet they were all more interesting characters than Subaru. I don't have anything against weak and flawed characters, but when they're well written and do not just exist for the sake of being obnoxious. |
Prog_upworks13 said: Because Kazuma have a useless goddes, chuuni wizard, Masochist crusader who always beside him no matter what happen ? Eh And do they always stay by their side? and they re even that helpfu? do they join him because of happenstance or because of the choices he made? beside useless goddess isn't exactly incredible, megumin isn't always megumax,masochist crusader isn't really "normal" and they aren't always here to help him, and they are exactly one of the reason why he can't enjoy the new world like he should, and guess what? he enjoy that nevertherless and value all of them and the most important thing is that all things that happened is because of him and his choice, there is no happenstance in his story, he is the one decided his fate in that world, he is in no way a plot device. because Kazuma personality is a much more interesting and doesn't even considered himself to be anything special. He is much more reliable and able to make wonderful choice in a pinch, unlike Subaru always make bad to abysmal choice, and end up being rekt over and over. As far as we can see he dislike stupid drama and stupid conflicts, and probably stay out of the shit hole Subaru went through (mostly due to his shitty personality) . and started his life for real, if the witch curse annoys his way of living, he probably find a way to cure it without causing any shitty drama and stupid torturing moments. I can already see him being friend with that realistic lady from Kararagi (and perhap we can have more Anastasia screen time). RinFTW said: So the show is bad because you are too stressed IRL that you only want to watch happy shows with butterflies/rainbows and stuff? great logic!!! I like subaru so much so please don't compare him to shitty emo shinji... Subaru isn't a wimp quitter who masturbate on his hospitalized friend. Stressed as in physically, tfw you work all day long and decided to sit down and enjoy your favourite anime (up to ep 12), all these cringey pretentious shit happened in those last episode. Of course the show is not bad up until ep 12,after that it went down hill as i said I don't even compare them lol, but since you brought this up, Subaru is as shitty as Shinji Ikari, in fact both of them don't really have any control over their fate, they are all plot devices and make abysmal choices and Subaru masturbate to Emilia, that is a fact, or you think he masturbate to someone else? the clown? and please dont tell me he doesn't masturabe at all hahahihi Both of them giving me that kimochi warui. |
rorimoeAug 2, 2016 1:27 AM
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Freestylex said: Everywhere I read people are hating on Subaru but I like him, root for him and can definitely empathize with him. It's weird seeing people apparently unable to because to me he seems very human. yeah...i know what you feel. i can relate him to myself too. the fact that he's acting to hide his true color or something like that. basically what he said in the recent episode, episode 18, i can relate his every word to myself. |
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rorimoe said: Prog_upworks13 said: Because Kazuma have a useless goddes, chuuni wizard, Masochist crusader who always beside him no matter what happen ? Eh And do they always stay by their side? and they re even that helpfu? do they join him because of happenstance or because of the choices he made? beside useless goddess isn't exactly incredible, megumin isn't always megumax,masochist crusader isn't really "normal" and they aren't always here to help him, and they are exactly one of the reason why he can't enjoy the new world like he should, and guess what? he enjoy that nevertherless and value all of them and the most important thing is that all things that happened is because of him and his choice, there is no happenstance in his story, he is the one decided his fate in that world, he is in no way a plot device. because Kazuma personality is a much more interesting and doesn't even considered himself to be anything special. He is much more reliable and able to make wonderful choice in a pinch, unlike Subaru always make bad to abysmal choice, and end up being rekt over and over. As far as we can see he dislike stupid drama and stupid conflicts, and probably stay out of the shit hole Subaru went through (mostly due to his shitty personality) . and started his life for real, if the witch curse annoys his way of living, he probably find a way to cure it without causing any shitty drama and stupid torturing moments. I can already see him being friend with that realistic lady from Kararagi (and perhap we can have more Anastasia screen time). Ok. Probably something is wrong in my head since I love both two of them. For me Kazuma and Subaru is an awesome in their own story. |
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PantsOnHead said: RinFTW said: So the show is bad because you are too stressed IRL that you only want to watch happy shows with butterflies/rainbows and stuff? great logic!!! I like subaru so much so please don't compare him to shitty emo shinji... Subaru isn't a wimp quitter who masturbate on his hospitalized friend. No, he's a wimp quitter who let his friend die from cultists. He didn't even try to help or struggle. He just sat on the ground and quit as she tried to protect his wimpy ass. Good thing he has the power to go back in time. Heaven forbid he has to live with his actions like Shinji does. We mightve gotten some actual character development somewhere during the first 18 episodes! your talking like he can do anything in that situation... he was passed out and then carried into a cave then handcuffed... did yo actually expect him to go like "My Nakama" his eye go into some color then save her? He is a powerless man (not someone who can pilot a giant robot) who actually "tries" get fatally hurt... dies but try again even with the overwhelming despair of losing all your (heart-to-heart) interactions with other people. People still think it that it easy for him to just reset... the people memory of him won't return that idea alone is scary. |
appu1232 said: Subaru has basically fixed the issues this episode (18) that people hated him for before this. Now I think the main reason people are hating on him is because of him choosing Emilia over Rem. I don't think that warrants any rational hate though. Episode 13: > You should love me after all I've done for you! - Subaru to Emilia Majority reaction: "Wtf Subaru is retarded." Episode 18: > "I love Emilia." - Subaru to Rem Majority reaction: "You should love Rem after all she's done for you!” And no, the fact Emilia didn’t remember him doing so much in her case is not a good argument. Even if she did remember and Subaru said that to her, almost all of you would still call him retarded for saying that she was obligated to love him. It’s fine to have a preference and be upset about who he chose but to say that he’s stupid for not choosing Rem because of what she has done is just being ignorant and hypocritical. So much this. During episode 18 it was almost like Rem was calling out all the viewers for hating Subaru, only seeing the bad things when he has actually come pretty far by saving his own life and the lives of others despite the odds (even though part of it was because he was acting reckless and that doesn't work in this arc). Anyways I think it was back in part 2 (the mansion part) that I admitted that Subaru had really grown on me, because of his ability to keep surprising me by saying or doing something I didn't expect, like breaking the fourth wall during the fight with Elsa. Then there was the end of episode 11, his conversation with Rem and I decided I like this guy. As of episode 18 I can't think of any MC in an anime that's like Subaru, he's such an interesting character |
rorimoe said: I don't even compare them lol, but since you brought this up, Subaru is as shitty as Shinji Ikari, in fact both of them don't really have any control over their fate, they are all plot devices and make abysmal choices Sorry i didn't mean you when i brought Shinji, someone in the thread did compare them to each other but my sentences connected so its understandable. though i disagree with "abysmal choices"... his odds are overwhelming yet he tries, the keyword here is "trying". rorimoe said: Stressed as in physically, tfw you work all day long and decided to sit down and enjoy your favourite anime (up to ep 12), all these cringey pretentious shit happened in those last episode. Of course the show is not bad up until ep 12,after that it went down hill as i said Your simply repeating what you already said, simply not liking it because its not going your way and the "up to ep12" actually proves it. rorimoe said: and Subaru masturbate to Emilia, that is a fact, or you think he masturbate to someone else? the clown? and please dont tell me he doesn't masturabe at all hahahihi when? even if he does fantasizing about someone is not wrong until you do it on the actual person while he/she/it is badly injured. shinji can masturbate on a corpse. your "weeaboo" is giving me that too. |
| Read my post and think kid, its all facts and no one force you to dislike Subaru, but I have many fact and logical reason not to like him as ive posted, i even use comparison technique to let people see the logic behind the plot since ep 12 Watch Eva again and think about that kimochi warui, weeabo. |
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rorimoe said: Read my post and think kid, its all facts and no one force you to dislike Subaru, but I have many fact and logical reason not to like him as ive posted, i even use comparison technique to let people see the logic behind the plot since ep 12 No thanks, i don't want to go through your invalid "facts" again... just because you draw some senseless comparison doesn't make it true, you're simply someone who can't appreciate something that you don't like. aaaaaaaaaaaand i'll pretend i didn't see your "kid" remark.. you see i grow out of that phase long ago. i can try for asuka sake but watching Shinji is hard.. really hard. |
| I actually used to get annoyed at Subaru especially that mock fight with that knight but in the latest episode he kinda redeem himself by admitting his faults. |
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RinFTW said: 'No thanks, i don't want to go through your invalid "facts" again... just because you draw some senseless comparison doesn't make it true, you're simply someone who can't appreciate something that you don't like. aaaaaaaaaaaand i'll pretend i didn't see your "kid" remark.. you see i grow out of that phase long ago. i can try for asuka sake but watching Shinji is hard.. really hard. I don't call somebody kid because of their age. Calling someone who have different opinion/view from you a weaboo is just purely subjective, that kind of poor judgemental is what make me called you kid. It is not senseless if you have watch Konosuba and up to lastest ep of Re:Zero. And understand the plot of both. btw, I agree that Shinji is shitty, I'm not even trying to compare since he is kind of different kind of shitty and he is much younger than Subaru so can you really blame? the only thing similar is that they are both plot devices that have no control of their fate (as I have said) and got to admit I cringed a bit when you asked me when Subaru masturbated, of course in the toilet or somewhere he find comfortable, of course he did masturbate, unless he is a saint or something. |
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| I'm okay with Subaru. He is irritating - yes, but atleast he is not one dimensional. I guess people would prefer definitely not op character like Reinhard as MC. :D |
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| I respect Subaru as a realistic character, through the mental break downs and such, but the fact he rejected Rem and the fact he constantly yells plucks my nerves honestly, Also, I do not like the fact his whole character is a Deus ex Machina plot device to save the others. (Although given that's the set up of the anime but if feels like recently it has been used way too much) |
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| I dont get people sometimes they put a underrated ( maybe average ) character people hate it , than they put op character they hate that too. I honestly like subaru cause he is like more close to real life and stuff. |
| I'm actually confused as to why people hate Subaru, especially if they're the same ones that complain about other protagonist being too OP and what not. We actually get a protagonist that is incredibly flawed, actually goes through a bunch of suffering because of it, keeps pushing forward (even though he frustrates us all for making the same mistakes over and over), and we still complain? Or is it just because he friend-zoned everyone's favorite waifu? Lol all seriousness though, why do people dislike Subaru? |
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| Subaru is the best.. the guy tries so hard.... but sadly there always will be haters |
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