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Dec 20, 2017 1:01 PM
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fullmetal-ghoul said:
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Taking in consideration all Mutsuki past actions it would make sense he would wanna see Kaneki dead yeah i agree.. but right now he doesnt seem to wanna kill kaneki, rather he seem more accepting of the fact that he should stay stuck as Dragon forever.
After all it should be apparent by now that is impossible to kill that thing using any conventional method, so it begs the question: if you wanted to kill kaneki so bad why not wait for the operation to conclude, have them extract his main body and then kill him then?
Regardless of what is their stance regarding the alliance or any other ulterior motive may be, it is illogical for them to intervene, more so, in the precise moment they were about to find his main body.. and shortly afterwards saying the quote you mentioned.

Maybe i am looking to much into this, but Mutsuki motives are definitely not apparent and Aura blind loyalty makes him seem like a hypocrite (if everything i mentioned previously confirms) after what was shown in this chapter.


I'd say Mutsuki's motives are quite apparent. He wants to make sure Kaneki doesn't belong to anyone else, whether that be by killing him or keeping him in this Dragon state. I was mainly countering your initial argument, that Aura was hypocritical for following Mutsuki, because Mutsuki was trying to protect Kaneki, a ghoul, when Mutsuki has been trying to kill Kaneki for a while now, and wants to him to stay as Dragon, both of which aligns with Aura's motives of revenge, and doesn't really contradict his desire against cooperating with ghouls.

Yeah their reason is there, but whatever they want to kill him or leave him in this state is not apparent that was what i meant. Sorry if i was unable to make myself clear in that regard.
Again like i stated before that still makes him come out as a hypocrite. Regardless if all this can be counted as a big act of revenge conducted by Mutsuki (or not), Aura is still being protective of a ghoul which is not much different then siding with one.. which in turn contradicts everything he has been saing in this whole chapter about taking pride in not wanting to associate himself with their kind.
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SeidouTZ said:
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I'd say Mutsuki's motives are quite apparent. He wants to make sure Kaneki doesn't belong to anyone else, whether that be by killing him or keeping him in this Dragon state. I was mainly countering your initial argument, that Aura was hypocritical for following Mutsuki, because Mutsuki was trying to protect Kaneki, a ghoul, when Mutsuki has been trying to kill Kaneki for a while now, and wants to him to stay as Dragon, both of which aligns with Aura's motives of revenge, and doesn't really contradict his desire against cooperating with ghouls.

Yeah their reason is there, but whatever they want to kill him or leave him in this state is not apparent that was what i meant. Sorry if i was unable to make myself clear in that regard.
Again like i stated before that still makes him come out as a hypocrite. Regardless if all this can be counted as a big act of revenge conducted by Mutsuki (or not), Aura is still being protective of a ghoul which is not much different then siding with one.. which in turn contradicts everything he has been saing in this whole chapter about taking pride in not wanting to associate himself with their kind.


Oh OK, I just assume they want to keep him as Dragon based off how they're trying to throw off the mission, but you're right it hasn't been made clear.

When you say Aura is being protective of a ghoul, are you referring to Kaneki? While he probably wants to keep him as Dragon, I wouldn't really say that's protecting Kaneki, he's trying to stop people from saving him.
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fullmetal-ghoul said:
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Yeah their reason is there, but whatever they want to kill him or leave him in this state is not apparent that was what i meant. Sorry if i was unable to make myself clear in that regard.
Again like i stated before that still makes him come out as a hypocrite. Regardless if all this can be counted as a big act of revenge conducted by Mutsuki (or not), Aura is still being protective of a ghoul which is not much different then siding with one.. which in turn contradicts everything he has been saing in this whole chapter about taking pride in not wanting to associate himself with their kind.


Oh OK, I just assume they want to keep him as Dragon based off how they're trying to throw off the mission, but you're right it hasn't been made clear.

When you say Aura is being protective of a ghoul, are you referring to Kaneki? While he probably wants to keep him as Dragon, I wouldn't really say that's protecting Kaneki, he's trying to stop people from saving him.

If we assume that Dragon in its entirety can still be considered Kaneki in some way, then Aura is still being protective of him (a ghoul) because he is doing eveything in his power to prevent that they would "neutralize" that thing.
But eh.. i guess it is ultimately a matter of how us as readers interpreted his actions.
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And they said Tokyo Ghoul is not a battle shounen.

Heh.
Dec 21, 2017 4:25 PM

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fullmetal-ghoul said:
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its like one or two chapters


Thanks, I'm sure we'll get something quite big on Kaneki's condition and future in the next couple of chapters then.


chapter 157 (300) probably since ishida allways does a full panel of kaneki using his kagune when he hits a 50 mark by the look of things. I hope nothing stupid happens like he is on a rampage and kills everyone.
Dec 21, 2017 4:34 PM

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Kryptiq said:
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I think she is trying to copy toukas it was hinted on her cover of re

If you don't mind, could you go into more detail about that? I don't believe I heard that one before.


Here is Mutsukis volume 11 cover notices the wing producing black blood (could indicate she is suffering the same thing as ken). https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tokyoghoul/images/6/67/Re_Vol_11.png/revision/latest?cb=20170613223307

Dec 21, 2017 4:39 PM

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loli_a_ravioli said:
And they said Tokyo Ghoul is not a battle shounen.

Heh.


Just cause it has fight scenes does not mean its shonen. We might as well call it ecchi for having 125 happen.
Dec 24, 2017 7:49 PM

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I liked Mutsuki before. But now she really pisses me off. She's so annoying. Just finish her off already, Urie.
Dec 24, 2017 10:11 PM

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Anyone know what it means if Tooru's RC count is that low? The gap between her and the others is quite large.

Being as humans are somewhere between 200 and 500, and ghouls are between 1000 and 8000.
Dec 24, 2017 10:35 PM

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I’m not a fan of Aura, but I see where he’s coming from. It’s expected that not everyone would agree to work with ghouls without a second thought. Although Kiyoko knew about the potential dangers of fighting ghouls, I doubt Aura would have wanted to witness his aunt with scars his whole life… :/ While Aura believes that working with ghouls is disrespectful, or mocking the memories of those who have sacrificed their lives in battle, Hsiao had her point when she said those important to them are now dead. So really, everyone must do what they can to protect Tokyo! X| Stubbornness and refusal to work with ghouls won’t solve their problem at hand…

Shicchi said:
MUTSUKI NO!!!
For the love of Ishida, snap out of your madness!!!!

Am I the only one who want some badass Touka moment. It's been ages since we see her figthing. The more reason why I hate the pregnant thing, sigh.

No Hide, so kinda meh but still much better than previous chapter.
I hope Mutsuki snaps out of his madness too! X( When you mentioned Mutsuki saying, “Urie, if you die, I couldn’t care less,” could be referring to himself and Urie, that just made me sad… ☹ At this point, Mutsuki has nothing to look forward to, and doesn’t care about his own wellbeing. The fight I never wished to happen will only intensify from here… Again, I doubt Kaneki would have wanted to witness this fight… Saiko even called Mutsuki “Mucchan.” ☹ At the beginning of this sequel, Urie said he wouldn’t hesitate to kill any of the Quinx Squad members if they became an enemy, but it must be so hard for him and Saiko, now that it’s reality… x(

I feel the same way about Touka. I know she’s pregnant and is physically drained, but I frowned when I saw her run away. I’d rather have Touka be the character who used to fight and assist others, than someone who’s always running away to protect herself and her fetus… It’s sad. This isn’t what I would have wanted when I first started reading Tokyo Ghoul.

I hope it won’t be too long until we see Hide next time… ;____;
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I know I'm not the only one waiting for this series to end. I genuinely don't get the appeal of this series anymore. It's somehow gotten worse by the chapter, and I think only the die-hard fans enjoy it at this point.
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Dec 26, 2017 10:44 AM

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Kill Mutsuki already, please. Aura as well, but Mutsuki first.
Dec 26, 2017 4:07 PM

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CallMeKurisuchan said:
I know I'm not the only one waiting for this series to end. I genuinely don't get the appeal of this series anymore. It's somehow gotten worse by the chapter, and I think only the die-hard fans enjoy it at this point.


Im a die hard fan of the series and I can relate to you. As a die hard fan I hate the idea of the series going to shit and being no longer fun to read. As optimistic as the recent chapters have been I no longer have this excited feeling anymore that made me enjoy the series as i did I am pretty pessimistic at the moment and just see everything really going to shit again and i dont like this feeling when reading a story.

Chapter 143 kind of killed some things I enjoyed about the series cause it possessed all the gripes I ignored before hand. Basically Humiliating the MC by off screening one of the most important fights of his life and having the garry stu furuta say it was awesome too bad you missed btw the MC did not change ruined my feeling of enjoyment. It was basically saying I am not going to show you cool things anymore and I am going to treat the MC like I would a trash side character so don't expect anything great.

Also Ishidas constant forshadowing in the book and on social media pretty much spoiled the whole story and how its going to end already and made it predictable instead of unpredictable.

Im been still reading but have been considering giving it a break for while as I see another 143 that adds tragedy points and butchers kens character more on the horizon. I kind of missed when the series was a dude just trying to survive being a ghoul.
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Cyborg_Dragon said:
CallMeKurisuchan said:
I know I'm not the only one waiting for this series to end. I genuinely don't get the appeal of this series anymore. It's somehow gotten worse by the chapter, and I think only the die-hard fans enjoy it at this point.


Im a die hard fan of the series and I can relate to you. As a die hard fan I hate the idea of the series going to shit and being no longer fun to read. As optimistic as the recent chapters have been I no longer have this excited feeling anymore that made me enjoy the series as i did I am pretty pessimistic at the moment and just see everything really going to shit again and i dont like this feeling when reading a story.

Chapter 143 kind of killed some things I enjoyed about the series cause it possessed all the gripes I ignored before hand. Basically Humiliating the MC by off screening one of the most important fights of his life and having the garry stu furuta say it was awesome too bad you missed btw the MC did not change ruined my feeling of enjoyment. It was basically saying I am not going to show you cool things anymore and I am going to treat the MC like I would a trash side character so don't expect anything great.

Also Ishidas constant forshadowing in the book and on social media pretty much spoiled the whole story and how its going to end already and made it predictable instead of unpredictable.

Im been still reading but have been considering giving it a break for while as I see another 143 that adds tragedy points and butchers kens character more on the horizon. I kind of missed when the series was a dude just trying to survive being a ghoul.


The ending of this series for me started with Furuta becoming the big antagonist. His entire character and arc was obnoxious. The whole "I planned this all along" route is very fucking disappointing to see in this series.

But that's not where it stops. I'll bullet my biggest gripes. Obvious spoilers, but I don't know why you'd be in the 154 chapter review otherwise....




Honestly, there is not much left in this series and I think the only people who enjoy it are rabid fangirls. This series is a boring, over-taxing mess. If I wasn't invested and didn't have a rule about not dropping manga, this series would dropped harder than the beat on an EDM track. Everyone praises Ishida for great foreshadowing, but just because something was hinted at doesn't exactly mean that Ishida is a good writer because he uses this technique. The story is still a mess. The characters are still....bad....appalling....and downright terrible. The development is hardly there. It's bad, man. Solid 4. Maybe even a 2, honestly.
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Dec 26, 2017 10:10 PM
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Really hope Urie takes mutsuki out!! Still disappointed my boy Yomo didn't finish it!!!
Dec 28, 2017 10:33 AM

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CallMeKurisuchan said:
Cyborg_Dragon said:


Im a die hard fan of the series and I can relate to you. As a die hard fan I hate the idea of the series going to shit and being no longer fun to read. As optimistic as the recent chapters have been I no longer have this excited feeling anymore that made me enjoy the series as i did I am pretty pessimistic at the moment and just see everything really going to shit again and i dont like this feeling when reading a story.

Chapter 143 kind of killed some things I enjoyed about the series cause it possessed all the gripes I ignored before hand. Basically Humiliating the MC by off screening one of the most important fights of his life and having the garry stu furuta say it was awesome too bad you missed btw the MC did not change ruined my feeling of enjoyment. It was basically saying I am not going to show you cool things anymore and I am going to treat the MC like I would a trash side character so don't expect anything great.

Also Ishidas constant forshadowing in the book and on social media pretty much spoiled the whole story and how its going to end already and made it predictable instead of unpredictable.

Im been still reading but have been considering giving it a break for while as I see another 143 that adds tragedy points and butchers kens character more on the horizon. I kind of missed when the series was a dude just trying to survive being a ghoul.


The ending of this series for me started with Furuta becoming the big antagonist. His entire character and arc was obnoxious. The whole "I planned this all along" route is very fucking disappointing to see in this series.

But that's not where it stops. I'll bullet my biggest gripes. Obvious spoilers, but I don't know why you'd be in the 154 chapter review otherwise....




Honestly, there is not much left in this series and I think the only people who enjoy it are rabid fangirls. This series is a boring, over-taxing mess. If I wasn't invested and didn't have a rule about not dropping manga, this series would dropped harder than the beat on an EDM track. Everyone praises Ishida for great foreshadowing, but just because something was hinted at doesn't exactly mean that Ishida is a good writer because he uses this technique. The story is still a mess. The characters are still....bad....appalling....and downright terrible. The development is hardly there. It's bad, man. Solid 4. Maybe even a 2, honestly.


I can agree with some of your points not all of them but I have lost that feeling of being excited for a chapter.

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This is bad, and is getting out of hand. Don't think they will be able to stop fighting unless one of them is dead.
Nov 30, 2018 11:55 AM

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Damn, that bastard kicked her oppai.
May 30, 2020 2:59 PM

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I hope it's going to be Urie that will finish off Mutsuki. I've been admiring his character development lately and I can't believe this is the same selfish and competitive person I knew back in the early stage of the story. He has grown into a fine man and a responsible Q leader!

Anway...I'm sure we will get to see Mutsuki's end soon. May it be by the hands of anyone, I don't care. As long as she's gone for good.
KoniginElleMay 30, 2020 3:03 PM

She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did!
May 26, 2021 10:13 AM

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Just 3?
But how? Im confused.
Does this mean she is an actual one eyed ghoul?
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Not an interesting opening of the fight. Aura was being a real hypocrite by calling himself a man while using a Kagune.
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