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Dec 20, 2017 1:01 PM
#51
fullmetal-ghoul said: SeidouTZ said: fullmetal-ghoul said: SeidouTZ said: fullmetal-ghoul said: SeidouTZ said: Azurblau said: So people hate Aura because he shows human characteristics of not suddenly cooperating with the common enemy? Ok. (i'm not saying he's doing the right thing, but his actions aren't unnatural either) I don't think people are mad at Aura for taking pride in not wanting to work with ghouls (that actually sounds completely reasonable), people are mad rather with how irracional and hypocritical he is acting. He speaks in not wanting to side with ghouls, yet he blidly follows Mutsuki in protecting one (kaneki). Mutsuki isn't trying to protect Kaneki though, he said it himself "As long as no one else has him I don't care". Aura follows Mutsuki so he can kill Kaneki, as revenge for what Kaneki did to his aunt. It's a shallow character arc, but at the very least his actions are understandable. The same quote can be interpreted as Mutsuki wanting Kaneki to remain in this state forever (a punish worse then dead if you will) then see him with Touka, wich would at the same time justify his curent course of action to some extent (after all if Mutsuki wanted to kill Kaneki so bad he could had waited for the whole operation to conclude and then take that opportunity to kill him instead of wasting time with infightings). But whatever maybe i am trying to rationalize a unsensical situation. In the current situation, I think you're right. He doesn't want Kaneki to return so that no one can have him, whether that means he's dead or stuck as Dragon. But in regards to that quote I was more referring to Mutsuki's past actions, like when he attacked Kaneki at :Re cafe, and when he "killed" Uta's clone of Haise, and how those actions link to Aura following Mutsuki, which is to kill and take revenge on Kaneki. Their aims are still the same right now, to keep Kaneki in this Dragon state, so I don't think he's being a hypocrite by following Mutsuki. Mutsuki hasn't been trying to protect Kaneki, not for a while now. Taking in consideration all Mutsuki past actions it would make sense he would wanna see Kaneki dead yeah i agree.. but right now he doesnt seem to wanna kill kaneki, rather he seem more accepting of the fact that he should stay stuck as Dragon forever. After all it should be apparent by now that is impossible to kill that thing using any conventional method, so it begs the question: if you wanted to kill kaneki so bad why not wait for the operation to conclude, have them extract his main body and then kill him then? Regardless of what is their stance regarding the alliance or any other ulterior motive may be, it is illogical for them to intervene, more so, in the precise moment they were about to find his main body.. and shortly afterwards saying the quote you mentioned. Maybe i am looking to much into this, but Mutsuki motives are definitely not apparent and Aura blind loyalty makes him seem like a hypocrite (if everything i mentioned previously confirms) after what was shown in this chapter. I'd say Mutsuki's motives are quite apparent. He wants to make sure Kaneki doesn't belong to anyone else, whether that be by killing him or keeping him in this Dragon state. I was mainly countering your initial argument, that Aura was hypocritical for following Mutsuki, because Mutsuki was trying to protect Kaneki, a ghoul, when Mutsuki has been trying to kill Kaneki for a while now, and wants to him to stay as Dragon, both of which aligns with Aura's motives of revenge, and doesn't really contradict his desire against cooperating with ghouls. Yeah their reason is there, but whatever they want to kill him or leave him in this state is not apparent that was what i meant. Sorry if i was unable to make myself clear in that regard. Again like i stated before that still makes him come out as a hypocrite. Regardless if all this can be counted as a big act of revenge conducted by Mutsuki (or not), Aura is still being protective of a ghoul which is not much different then siding with one.. which in turn contradicts everything he has been saing in this whole chapter about taking pride in not wanting to associate himself with their kind. |
Dec 20, 2017 1:25 PM
#52
SeidouTZ said: fullmetal-ghoul said: SeidouTZ said: fullmetal-ghoul said: SeidouTZ said: fullmetal-ghoul said: SeidouTZ said: Azurblau said: So people hate Aura because he shows human characteristics of not suddenly cooperating with the common enemy? Ok. (i'm not saying he's doing the right thing, but his actions aren't unnatural either) I don't think people are mad at Aura for taking pride in not wanting to work with ghouls (that actually sounds completely reasonable), people are mad rather with how irracional and hypocritical he is acting. He speaks in not wanting to side with ghouls, yet he blidly follows Mutsuki in protecting one (kaneki). Mutsuki isn't trying to protect Kaneki though, he said it himself "As long as no one else has him I don't care". Aura follows Mutsuki so he can kill Kaneki, as revenge for what Kaneki did to his aunt. It's a shallow character arc, but at the very least his actions are understandable. The same quote can be interpreted as Mutsuki wanting Kaneki to remain in this state forever (a punish worse then dead if you will) then see him with Touka, wich would at the same time justify his curent course of action to some extent (after all if Mutsuki wanted to kill Kaneki so bad he could had waited for the whole operation to conclude and then take that opportunity to kill him instead of wasting time with infightings). But whatever maybe i am trying to rationalize a unsensical situation. In the current situation, I think you're right. He doesn't want Kaneki to return so that no one can have him, whether that means he's dead or stuck as Dragon. But in regards to that quote I was more referring to Mutsuki's past actions, like when he attacked Kaneki at :Re cafe, and when he "killed" Uta's clone of Haise, and how those actions link to Aura following Mutsuki, which is to kill and take revenge on Kaneki. Their aims are still the same right now, to keep Kaneki in this Dragon state, so I don't think he's being a hypocrite by following Mutsuki. Mutsuki hasn't been trying to protect Kaneki, not for a while now. Taking in consideration all Mutsuki past actions it would make sense he would wanna see Kaneki dead yeah i agree.. but right now he doesnt seem to wanna kill kaneki, rather he seem more accepting of the fact that he should stay stuck as Dragon forever. After all it should be apparent by now that is impossible to kill that thing using any conventional method, so it begs the question: if you wanted to kill kaneki so bad why not wait for the operation to conclude, have them extract his main body and then kill him then? Regardless of what is their stance regarding the alliance or any other ulterior motive may be, it is illogical for them to intervene, more so, in the precise moment they were about to find his main body.. and shortly afterwards saying the quote you mentioned. Maybe i am looking to much into this, but Mutsuki motives are definitely not apparent and Aura blind loyalty makes him seem like a hypocrite (if everything i mentioned previously confirms) after what was shown in this chapter. I'd say Mutsuki's motives are quite apparent. He wants to make sure Kaneki doesn't belong to anyone else, whether that be by killing him or keeping him in this Dragon state. I was mainly countering your initial argument, that Aura was hypocritical for following Mutsuki, because Mutsuki was trying to protect Kaneki, a ghoul, when Mutsuki has been trying to kill Kaneki for a while now, and wants to him to stay as Dragon, both of which aligns with Aura's motives of revenge, and doesn't really contradict his desire against cooperating with ghouls. Yeah their reason is there, but whatever they want to kill him or leave him in this state is not apparent that was what i meant. Sorry if i was unable to make myself clear in that regard. Again like i stated before that still makes him come out as a hypocrite. Regardless if all this can be counted as a big act of revenge conducted by Mutsuki (or not), Aura is still being protective of a ghoul which is not much different then siding with one.. which in turn contradicts everything he has been saing in this whole chapter about taking pride in not wanting to associate himself with their kind. Oh OK, I just assume they want to keep him as Dragon based off how they're trying to throw off the mission, but you're right it hasn't been made clear. When you say Aura is being protective of a ghoul, are you referring to Kaneki? While he probably wants to keep him as Dragon, I wouldn't really say that's protecting Kaneki, he's trying to stop people from saving him. |
Dec 20, 2017 3:33 PM
#53
fullmetal-ghoul said: SeidouTZ said: fullmetal-ghoul said: SeidouTZ said: fullmetal-ghoul said: SeidouTZ said: fullmetal-ghoul said: SeidouTZ said: Azurblau said: So people hate Aura because he shows human characteristics of not suddenly cooperating with the common enemy? Ok. (i'm not saying he's doing the right thing, but his actions aren't unnatural either) I don't think people are mad at Aura for taking pride in not wanting to work with ghouls (that actually sounds completely reasonable), people are mad rather with how irracional and hypocritical he is acting. He speaks in not wanting to side with ghouls, yet he blidly follows Mutsuki in protecting one (kaneki). Mutsuki isn't trying to protect Kaneki though, he said it himself "As long as no one else has him I don't care". Aura follows Mutsuki so he can kill Kaneki, as revenge for what Kaneki did to his aunt. It's a shallow character arc, but at the very least his actions are understandable. The same quote can be interpreted as Mutsuki wanting Kaneki to remain in this state forever (a punish worse then dead if you will) then see him with Touka, wich would at the same time justify his curent course of action to some extent (after all if Mutsuki wanted to kill Kaneki so bad he could had waited for the whole operation to conclude and then take that opportunity to kill him instead of wasting time with infightings). But whatever maybe i am trying to rationalize a unsensical situation. In the current situation, I think you're right. He doesn't want Kaneki to return so that no one can have him, whether that means he's dead or stuck as Dragon. But in regards to that quote I was more referring to Mutsuki's past actions, like when he attacked Kaneki at :Re cafe, and when he "killed" Uta's clone of Haise, and how those actions link to Aura following Mutsuki, which is to kill and take revenge on Kaneki. Their aims are still the same right now, to keep Kaneki in this Dragon state, so I don't think he's being a hypocrite by following Mutsuki. Mutsuki hasn't been trying to protect Kaneki, not for a while now. Taking in consideration all Mutsuki past actions it would make sense he would wanna see Kaneki dead yeah i agree.. but right now he doesnt seem to wanna kill kaneki, rather he seem more accepting of the fact that he should stay stuck as Dragon forever. After all it should be apparent by now that is impossible to kill that thing using any conventional method, so it begs the question: if you wanted to kill kaneki so bad why not wait for the operation to conclude, have them extract his main body and then kill him then? Regardless of what is their stance regarding the alliance or any other ulterior motive may be, it is illogical for them to intervene, more so, in the precise moment they were about to find his main body.. and shortly afterwards saying the quote you mentioned. Maybe i am looking to much into this, but Mutsuki motives are definitely not apparent and Aura blind loyalty makes him seem like a hypocrite (if everything i mentioned previously confirms) after what was shown in this chapter. I'd say Mutsuki's motives are quite apparent. He wants to make sure Kaneki doesn't belong to anyone else, whether that be by killing him or keeping him in this Dragon state. I was mainly countering your initial argument, that Aura was hypocritical for following Mutsuki, because Mutsuki was trying to protect Kaneki, a ghoul, when Mutsuki has been trying to kill Kaneki for a while now, and wants to him to stay as Dragon, both of which aligns with Aura's motives of revenge, and doesn't really contradict his desire against cooperating with ghouls. Yeah their reason is there, but whatever they want to kill him or leave him in this state is not apparent that was what i meant. Sorry if i was unable to make myself clear in that regard. Again like i stated before that still makes him come out as a hypocrite. Regardless if all this can be counted as a big act of revenge conducted by Mutsuki (or not), Aura is still being protective of a ghoul which is not much different then siding with one.. which in turn contradicts everything he has been saing in this whole chapter about taking pride in not wanting to associate himself with their kind. Oh OK, I just assume they want to keep him as Dragon based off how they're trying to throw off the mission, but you're right it hasn't been made clear. When you say Aura is being protective of a ghoul, are you referring to Kaneki? While he probably wants to keep him as Dragon, I wouldn't really say that's protecting Kaneki, he's trying to stop people from saving him. If we assume that Dragon in its entirety can still be considered Kaneki in some way, then Aura is still being protective of him (a ghoul) because he is doing eveything in his power to prevent that they would "neutralize" that thing. But eh.. i guess it is ultimately a matter of how us as readers interpreted his actions. |
Dec 20, 2017 7:46 PM
#54
And they said Tokyo Ghoul is not a battle shounen. Heh. |
Dec 21, 2017 4:25 PM
#55
fullmetal-ghoul said: Cyborg_Dragon said: fullmetal-ghoul said: Does anyone know how many chapters we have left until the volume ends? With Touka searching for Kaneki again, I suspect his reappearance could be an end of volume cliffhanger. Anyway this was another good chapter, I still don't think a Mutsuki redemption is beyond the realms ofpossibility, but we'll see. Waiting 2 weeks for the next one is gonna be difficult. its like one or two chapters Thanks, I'm sure we'll get something quite big on Kaneki's condition and future in the next couple of chapters then. chapter 157 (300) probably since ishida allways does a full panel of kaneki using his kagune when he hits a 50 mark by the look of things. I hope nothing stupid happens like he is on a rampage and kills everyone. |
Dec 21, 2017 4:34 PM
#56
Kryptiq said: Cyborg_Dragon said: Kryptiq said: How many Hsiao ass shots has it been? 2,3? I'm not complaining tho. And I'm digging the kagune design for Mutsuki on the last page, reminds a lot of the old days on how Ishida used to draw the kagunes for ukaku users back in part 1. I think she is trying to copy toukas it was hinted on her cover of re If you don't mind, could you go into more detail about that? I don't believe I heard that one before. Here is Mutsukis volume 11 cover notices the wing producing black blood (could indicate she is suffering the same thing as ken). https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/tokyoghoul/images/6/67/Re_Vol_11.png/revision/latest?cb=20170613223307 |
Dec 21, 2017 4:39 PM
#57
Just cause it has fight scenes does not mean its shonen. We might as well call it ecchi for having 125 happen. |
Dec 24, 2017 7:49 PM
#58
I liked Mutsuki before. But now she really pisses me off. She's so annoying. Just finish her off already, Urie. |
Dec 24, 2017 10:11 PM
#59
Anyone know what it means if Tooru's RC count is that low? The gap between her and the others is quite large. Being as humans are somewhere between 200 and 500, and ghouls are between 1000 and 8000. |
Dec 24, 2017 10:35 PM
#60
I’m not a fan of Aura, but I see where he’s coming from. It’s expected that not everyone would agree to work with ghouls without a second thought. Although Kiyoko knew about the potential dangers of fighting ghouls, I doubt Aura would have wanted to witness his aunt with scars his whole life… :/ While Aura believes that working with ghouls is disrespectful, or mocking the memories of those who have sacrificed their lives in battle, Hsiao had her point when she said those important to them are now dead. So really, everyone must do what they can to protect Tokyo! X| Stubbornness and refusal to work with ghouls won’t solve their problem at hand… Shicchi said: I hope Mutsuki snaps out of his madness too! X( When you mentioned Mutsuki saying, “Urie, if you die, I couldn’t care less,” could be referring to himself and Urie, that just made me sad… ☹ At this point, Mutsuki has nothing to look forward to, and doesn’t care about his own wellbeing. The fight I never wished to happen will only intensify from here… Again, I doubt Kaneki would have wanted to witness this fight… Saiko even called Mutsuki “Mucchan.” ☹ At the beginning of this sequel, Urie said he wouldn’t hesitate to kill any of the Quinx Squad members if they became an enemy, but it must be so hard for him and Saiko, now that it’s reality… x(MUTSUKI NO!!! For the love of Ishida, snap out of your madness!!!! Am I the only one who want some badass Touka moment. It's been ages since we see her figthing. The more reason why I hate the pregnant thing, sigh. No Hide, so kinda meh but still much better than previous chapter. I feel the same way about Touka. I know she’s pregnant and is physically drained, but I frowned when I saw her run away. I’d rather have Touka be the character who used to fight and assist others, than someone who’s always running away to protect herself and her fetus… It’s sad. This isn’t what I would have wanted when I first started reading Tokyo Ghoul. I hope it won’t be too long until we see Hide next time… ;____; |
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Dec 26, 2017 9:57 AM
#61
I know I'm not the only one waiting for this series to end. I genuinely don't get the appeal of this series anymore. It's somehow gotten worse by the chapter, and I think only the die-hard fans enjoy it at this point. |
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Dec 26, 2017 10:44 AM
#62
Kill Mutsuki already, please. Aura as well, but Mutsuki first. |
Dec 26, 2017 4:07 PM
#63
CallMeKurisuchan said: I know I'm not the only one waiting for this series to end. I genuinely don't get the appeal of this series anymore. It's somehow gotten worse by the chapter, and I think only the die-hard fans enjoy it at this point. Im a die hard fan of the series and I can relate to you. As a die hard fan I hate the idea of the series going to shit and being no longer fun to read. As optimistic as the recent chapters have been I no longer have this excited feeling anymore that made me enjoy the series as i did I am pretty pessimistic at the moment and just see everything really going to shit again and i dont like this feeling when reading a story. Chapter 143 kind of killed some things I enjoyed about the series cause it possessed all the gripes I ignored before hand. Basically Humiliating the MC by off screening one of the most important fights of his life and having the garry stu furuta say it was awesome too bad you missed btw the MC did not change ruined my feeling of enjoyment. It was basically saying I am not going to show you cool things anymore and I am going to treat the MC like I would a trash side character so don't expect anything great. Also Ishidas constant forshadowing in the book and on social media pretty much spoiled the whole story and how its going to end already and made it predictable instead of unpredictable. Im been still reading but have been considering giving it a break for while as I see another 143 that adds tragedy points and butchers kens character more on the horizon. I kind of missed when the series was a dude just trying to survive being a ghoul. |
Dec 26, 2017 10:10 PM
#64
Cyborg_Dragon said: CallMeKurisuchan said: I know I'm not the only one waiting for this series to end. I genuinely don't get the appeal of this series anymore. It's somehow gotten worse by the chapter, and I think only the die-hard fans enjoy it at this point. Im a die hard fan of the series and I can relate to you. As a die hard fan I hate the idea of the series going to shit and being no longer fun to read. As optimistic as the recent chapters have been I no longer have this excited feeling anymore that made me enjoy the series as i did I am pretty pessimistic at the moment and just see everything really going to shit again and i dont like this feeling when reading a story. Chapter 143 kind of killed some things I enjoyed about the series cause it possessed all the gripes I ignored before hand. Basically Humiliating the MC by off screening one of the most important fights of his life and having the garry stu furuta say it was awesome too bad you missed btw the MC did not change ruined my feeling of enjoyment. It was basically saying I am not going to show you cool things anymore and I am going to treat the MC like I would a trash side character so don't expect anything great. Also Ishidas constant forshadowing in the book and on social media pretty much spoiled the whole story and how its going to end already and made it predictable instead of unpredictable. Im been still reading but have been considering giving it a break for while as I see another 143 that adds tragedy points and butchers kens character more on the horizon. I kind of missed when the series was a dude just trying to survive being a ghoul. The ending of this series for me started with Furuta becoming the big antagonist. His entire character and arc was obnoxious. The whole "I planned this all along" route is very fucking disappointing to see in this series. But that's not where it stops. I'll bullet my biggest gripes. Obvious spoilers, but I don't know why you'd be in the 154 chapter review otherwise.... - Mitsuki (Mutsuki?) However it's spelled, fuck her/him (whichever you prefer, I don't care which) because they....it? It is the biggest issue with the last several arcs. Kill it. Move on. It's been fun, but CHRIST. - Arima being part ghoul. It killed the idea of Arima we all had prior. He was just supposed to be that one badass human. Nope. Ghoul. - Touka being side-casted. Like anyone else in the previous series, she hasn't done anything. - Touka being pregnant for....shitty tension? - Kaneki and Touka's sudden relationship that hardly developed. - Kanou's death was sudden and anti-climatic. - The terribly slow pacing. - Hide being alive, I don't care what anyone says, this kind of takes away from the ending of the Prequel. The reason why Kaneki was so broken and snapped was because Hide was his last emotional pillar and he thought he killed them. Hide was his last thing from his side of humanity and killing him solidified that he could not go back and that's what made it a tragedy. BUT NOPE. He's alive and well. It's bullshit. I like Hide, but NO. - How convenient everything seems to just fall into place. - The shounen tropes. - V not doing much of shit despite the hype that V was supposed to be these big, bad villains. - The introduction of TOO MANY POINTLESS characters. Why? Like, why are there so many characters and why are so many of them forgettable or do nothing?! It went from less than 20 to like 20 million and it's a chore to try to remember them. Honestly, there is not much left in this series and I think the only people who enjoy it are rabid fangirls. This series is a boring, over-taxing mess. If I wasn't invested and didn't have a rule about not dropping manga, this series would dropped harder than the beat on an EDM track. Everyone praises Ishida for great foreshadowing, but just because something was hinted at doesn't exactly mean that Ishida is a good writer because he uses this technique. The story is still a mess. The characters are still....bad....appalling....and downright terrible. The development is hardly there. It's bad, man. Solid 4. Maybe even a 2, honestly. |
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Dec 26, 2017 10:10 PM
#65
Really hope Urie takes mutsuki out!! Still disappointed my boy Yomo didn't finish it!!! |
Dec 28, 2017 10:33 AM
#66
CallMeKurisuchan said: Cyborg_Dragon said: CallMeKurisuchan said: I know I'm not the only one waiting for this series to end. I genuinely don't get the appeal of this series anymore. It's somehow gotten worse by the chapter, and I think only the die-hard fans enjoy it at this point. Im a die hard fan of the series and I can relate to you. As a die hard fan I hate the idea of the series going to shit and being no longer fun to read. As optimistic as the recent chapters have been I no longer have this excited feeling anymore that made me enjoy the series as i did I am pretty pessimistic at the moment and just see everything really going to shit again and i dont like this feeling when reading a story. Chapter 143 kind of killed some things I enjoyed about the series cause it possessed all the gripes I ignored before hand. Basically Humiliating the MC by off screening one of the most important fights of his life and having the garry stu furuta say it was awesome too bad you missed btw the MC did not change ruined my feeling of enjoyment. It was basically saying I am not going to show you cool things anymore and I am going to treat the MC like I would a trash side character so don't expect anything great. Also Ishidas constant forshadowing in the book and on social media pretty much spoiled the whole story and how its going to end already and made it predictable instead of unpredictable. Im been still reading but have been considering giving it a break for while as I see another 143 that adds tragedy points and butchers kens character more on the horizon. I kind of missed when the series was a dude just trying to survive being a ghoul. The ending of this series for me started with Furuta becoming the big antagonist. His entire character and arc was obnoxious. The whole "I planned this all along" route is very fucking disappointing to see in this series. But that's not where it stops. I'll bullet my biggest gripes. Obvious spoilers, but I don't know why you'd be in the 154 chapter review otherwise.... - Mitsuki (Mutsuki?) However it's spelled, fuck her/him (whichever you prefer, I don't care which) because they....it? It is the biggest issue with the last several arcs. Kill it. Move on. It's been fun, but CHRIST. - Arima being part ghoul. It killed the idea of Arima we all had prior. He was just supposed to be that one badass human. Nope. Ghoul. - Touka being side-casted. Like anyone else in the previous series, she hasn't done anything. - Touka being pregnant for....shitty tension? - Kaneki and Touka's sudden relationship that hardly developed. - Kanou's death was sudden and anti-climatic. - The terribly slow pacing. - Hide being alive, I don't care what anyone says, this kind of takes away from the ending of the Prequel. The reason why Kaneki was so broken and snapped was because Hide was his last emotional pillar and he thought he killed them. Hide was his last thing from his side of humanity and killing him solidified that he could not go back and that's what made it a tragedy. BUT NOPE. He's alive and well. It's bullshit. I like Hide, but NO. - How convenient everything seems to just fall into place. - The shounen tropes. - V not doing much of shit despite the hype that V was supposed to be these big, bad villains. - The introduction of TOO MANY POINTLESS characters. Why? Like, why are there so many characters and why are so many of them forgettable or do nothing?! It went from less than 20 to like 20 million and it's a chore to try to remember them. Honestly, there is not much left in this series and I think the only people who enjoy it are rabid fangirls. This series is a boring, over-taxing mess. If I wasn't invested and didn't have a rule about not dropping manga, this series would dropped harder than the beat on an EDM track. Everyone praises Ishida for great foreshadowing, but just because something was hinted at doesn't exactly mean that Ishida is a good writer because he uses this technique. The story is still a mess. The characters are still....bad....appalling....and downright terrible. The development is hardly there. It's bad, man. Solid 4. Maybe even a 2, honestly. I can agree with some of your points not all of them but I have lost that feeling of being excited for a chapter. 1 - furuta - cant agree more with Furuta. he is literally a garry stu villain everything goes 100 percent perfectly as if god is on his side (oh wait). 143 was literally a rehash of aizen saying all part of my plan in bleach but worst. I used to praise tg for having no garry stus but look what we have. Apperently I am wrong in this complaint because I am told a villain winning all the time and a good guy losing all the time is realistic and I should go read a shonen if I want to see the heroes win all the time but what we have is a shonen mc as our antagonist. 2 - Mutsuki - My only problem with Mutsuki (besides her being an asshole) is what was the point of her getting into a fight with yomo and electrocuting her when she had this secret power up all along it felt like a waste panels that could be used for important stuff like zero squad kids deaths or ken vs juuzuo after her and aura got away unscated and continued the tom and jerry game with touka. 3 - Touka being underplayed - My favourite chapters tend to be those focused on the main characters from the original and the characters Urie, Saiko and Miza are the only ones I love from :re. I am kind of annoyed. The original cast where underplayed at the start to develop the qs but the only real payoff from that is Urie and Saiko. I feel like Touka does a lot I have been making a joke on the tg subreddit how pregnant touka has more fights then OEK Kaneki who i saw a underplayed. 4 - pregnancy - A load of people are calling for the child to be used as a plot device or an extra tragedy point to drive Kaneki more insane by killing it off although this would be shitty after all the times Ishida could have killed it in the last arc to turn ken into dragon. I would personally like to see Ken looking after a kid it would probably be more interesting then seeing him turn into a tragitard antagonist like what mutsuki is. 5 - touka and kanekis relationship - I saw it as pretty developed hell nishiki and kimi was just one conversation then relationship. I think most the blame is on pacing issues. Plus they are in the middle of a war why would you not want to get laid. 6 - kanous death - Kanous death was as anti climatic as Ken vs Juuzuo. I would of loved to seen the bastard suffer at the hands of either ken, kuro or takizawa for all the shit he pulled but no. 7 - the slow pacing - I think the pacing is actually the opposite of slow, the last arc in general had some stupid pacing in the end. Literally not just ken and juuzuo was offscreened literally half the other stuff that was happening was offscreened which includes the confrontation between squad zero and haijime, yomo and uta, dragon wiping out the guys surrounding touka the death blow on naki and how miza survived. All to meet the 143 mark. 8 - Hide - who knows maybe this hide is uta or a secret antagonist there are a lot of theories about him being a clown. I saw it coming a mile away when his death was not shown. To be fare Hide and the whole thing between furuta and urie where the only things I liked about the last arc. 9 - convenient falling into place - as i said furuta is a garry stu everything falling into to place in a annoying way is the cancer a garry stu spreads. The whole dumbing down of ken and weakening him after arima was convenient too. 10 - shonen - If you say you dislike something about tokyo ghoul you get accused of being a shonen fanboy but tokyo ghoul was the role reversed shonen in the last arc where the villains win everything effortlessly. Unless your talking about something else? 11 - V - all i hope for with v for the moment is that they wanted dragon to happen all along and where playing that clown furuta. I have a feeling however its going to be just a thing in the end thats going to be thrown away. 12 - Too Many Characters - I feel like yes there are too many and with the pacing Ishida has done it has resulted in main characters getting underplayed as you said about Touka but I consider in especially the last arc our main character Kaneki himself got completely underplayed as a character we had these many other minor characters taking up pages the very idea kens fight with juuzuo got skipped is an example. We did not even get a conversation between ken and touka after their wedding or a conversation between ken and hinami after he freed her from prison. 13 - forshadowing and bad characters - Ishidas upsession with forshadowing has been going to that level of spoiling the series for anyone paying attention and looking at comments on chapters. I don't think the characters are bad some of my favourite characters are in fiction are in this manga but I feel like there are too many minor characters and all the most interesting characters do not get screentime cause of it. Kaneki has also done a bit too many personality changes and it feels like Ishida might not know what to do with him as it looks like he is just deciding to make ken the villain hated by everyone at this point with all his forshadowing that people are allready calling kaneki femtoneki on the tg subreddit, how do you feel about this? |
Cyborg_DragonDec 28, 2017 4:04 PM
Jan 5, 2018 3:52 AM
#67
This is bad, and is getting out of hand. Don't think they will be able to stop fighting unless one of them is dead. |
May 30, 2020 2:59 PM
#69
I hope it's going to be Urie that will finish off Mutsuki. I've been admiring his character development lately and I can't believe this is the same selfish and competitive person I knew back in the early stage of the story. He has grown into a fine man and a responsible Q leader! Anway...I'm sure we will get to see Mutsuki's end soon. May it be by the hands of anyone, I don't care. As long as she's gone for good. |
KoniginElleMay 30, 2020 3:03 PM
She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did! |
May 26, 2021 10:13 AM
#70
Just 3? But how? Im confused. Does this mean she is an actual one eyed ghoul? |
--AbiSa-- |
Yesterday, 3:56 AM
#71
Not an interesting opening of the fight. Aura was being a real hypocrite by calling himself a man while using a Kagune. |
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